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Mission and vision statement of the WMNL chapter?

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Dear Jane, Beste Jane,

I hope you are well in these "weird" times. (Excuse my English.)

  • Can you as a native and accomplished speaker of English, help us out on the interpretation of the Mission statement for the Dutch Wikimedia chapter WMNL?

The Dutch WMNL chapter states here:

"Missie en visie. De visie van de Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland is die van de gehele Wikimedia-beweging:
Stel je een wereld voor waarin een ieder vrijelijk kan delen in het geheel van alle kennis. Daar staan wij voor!"

and the Board thinks it is a correct rendering in Dutch of the Wikimedia vision of the WMF

"Wikimedia vision. Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That’s our commitment."

I doubt the correctness of the Dutch translation for various reasons and have written about it. To not influence you unduly beforehand i don't directly link to my findings here (you might find them afterwards by searching for "De kern van alle menselijke kennis"). I would like to have your opinion on the WMNL translation, as you are a speaker of both English and Dutch.

Perhaps this issue seems a trifle, but in practice the Dutch mission statement is important, as it is quoted in every introductory course and workshop on Wikimedia and in many other WMNL meetings in the Netherlands. I was lucky enough to give such a course some fifty+ times in recent years, and other Dutch Wikimedia lecturers quote this Dutch version (or something similar) regularly as well.

  • Do the original statement and its Dutch version match up? or is there a difference? ( @Grijz , Dutch WMNL chair)

Thanks ever so much (or is that not a mainstream English expression? :-), Hansmuller (talk) 12:15, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hans, thanks for asking. You are quite correct that the nlwiki translation is not exactly the same as the enwiki version. That said, I am not going to offer suggestions how to improve it. The reason is because it is impossible to create an accurate translation (just try to translate some poetry for example). Both the en and nl versions are open to multiple interpretations. Best, Jane (talk) 13:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Cornelis van Noorde

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Hey Jane023, I saw you wrote/started the article on Cornelis van Noorde here on the English wikipedia. Strange enough he doesn't have an article on the Dutch language wikipedia yet. Would you mind writing/starting that article? I have been uploading a couple of Alba amicorum from the Noord-Hollands Archief. The album of Johannes Enschedé contains two drawings made by van Noorde (here number one, and here number two.) I don't know enough of the artists of that period to write the article on van Noorde other than to simply translate your article on him. Groet, Ecritures (talk) 10:39, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK ik zal kijken - wat lang geleden al! Ik heb wel een boek over hem liggen ergens hiero. Jane (talk) 10:55, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dank je!! :) Dat zou fijn zijn o.a. ivm de 'relatie' die hij onderhield met de familie Enschedé. Hartelijke groet, Ecritures (talk) 19:17, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded Jessica Lussenhop

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Hi Jane! I went ahead and did a little expanding of the Jessica Lussenhop article and added in a bunch of references. It's long enough that you could probably submit it to WP:DYK if you feel like it. SilverserenC 23:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wow thanks! And thanks for those links too. I am terrible about thinking of a good hook for DYK and haven't participated in years, but go ahead if you can choose one (so many worthy issues in there). Jane (talk) 05:23, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Jessica Lussenhop

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On 15 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jessica Lussenhop, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that investigative journalist Jessica Lussenhop has written articles on corruption in the standardized-testing industry, and the murders and disappearances of Indigenous women? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jessica Lussenhop. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jessica Lussenhop), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Oh wow that is really cool! Thanks. Jane (talk) 05:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Painters who died in World War I has been nominated for merging

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Hmm, so that's you then? I thought I was in discussion with someone else. Jane (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Flemish and Dutch paintings

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Hello Jane,

I understand that you are interested in paintings from the Low Countries. These last days, I have created some articles that might interest you:

There will be more in the future, after a break. Thanks for having a look! Regards, --Edelseider (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those are verey interesting paintings, thanks for your work! I will take a look. Jane (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: An Evening River Landscape with a Ferry. --Edelseider (talk) 14:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: Mountainous Landscape with a Torrent --Edelseider (talk) 08:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: The St Adrian Civic Guard. --Edelseider (talk) 05:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: Allegory of Vanity and Repentance --Edelseider (talk) 14:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: The Blackcurrant Pie --Edelseider (talk) 06:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: River Landscape (Salomon van Ruysdael) --Edelseider (talk) 17:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: The Little Bridge --Edelseider (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: Visitation (Rubens) (I'm ashamed of how small it is, but even with Rubens, size doesn't always matter!) --Edelseider (talk) 19:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
+ 1: Two Mills (Ruisdael) --Edelseider (talk) 09:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Top collections by number of Wikipedia painting articles

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Hello Jane, I wonder what is wrong with the bot, or maybe me. As of right now, there are 47 articles in the Category:Paintings of the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Strasbourg. But according to the list, which had been updated a few minutes ago, there are only 36. Why this discrepancy? What has happened to the 11 missing articles? And how can I restore them? Thank you for your input. All the best, --Edelseider (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is a caching issue, so try clearing your browser. Thanks for your impressive work on this important collection! Here is what I see when I click on the category:
  • 1. Adam and Eve/Gideon and the Fleece
  • 2. Adoration of the Shepherds (Crivelli)
  • 3. Allegory of Vanity and Repentance
  • 4. Ambrosius Volmar Keller (Baldung)
  • 5. La belle Strasbourgeoise
  • 6. Bernardo de Iriarte (Goya)
  • 7. Cephalus and Procris (Paolo Veronese)
  • 8. Christ Triumphant over Sin and Death (Rubens)
  • 9. Cyparissus (Vignali)
  • 10. The Dead Lovers
  • 11. Earthly Vanity and Divine Salvation (Memling)
  • 12. An Evening River Landscape with a Ferry
  • 13. Gian Lorenzo Berti (Traversi)
  • 14. Glasses in a Basket (Stoskopff)
  • 15. Going for a Walk in the Amsterdam Town Hall
  • 16. Great Vanity (Stoskopff)
  • 17. The Holy Family with Saint John the Baptist and an Angel
  • 18. The Immaculate Conception with Saint Lawrence and Saint Francis of Paola
  • 19. Ingenuity (Crespi)
  • 20. Judith and Her Maidservant (Correggio)
  • 21. Landscape with Tobias and the Angel (Rosa)
  • 22. Lot and His Daughters (Vouet)
  • 23. Luigia Cattaneo-Gentile (Van Dyck)
  • 24. The Lute Player (Cariani)
  • 25. Madonna in the Vine Arbour
  • 26. Mestre Altarpiece
  • 27. The Miraculous Draught of Fishes (Jordaens)
  • 28. Mountainous Landscape with a Torrent
  • 29. Musicians and Soldiers
  • 30. The Myth of Prometheus (Piero di Cosimo)
  • 31. Nativity of the Virgin/Doubt of Saint Joseph
  • 32. Nordic Landscape with a Castle on a Hill
  • 33. L'Orage
  • 34. Portrait of a Couple
  • 35. Portrait of a Young Man (Barocci)
  • 36. Portrait of a Young Woman (Raphael, Strasbourg)
  • 37. Portrait of Cardinal Richelieu
  • 38. The Rest on the Flight into Egypt (Bordone)
  • 39. The St Adrian Civic Guard
  • 40. Saint Madeleine and Saint Catherine (Witz)
  • 41. Saint Peter and Saint Paul (Ribera)
  • 42. Saint Sebastian and the Angel
  • 43. Salvator Mundi (Palma Vecchio)
  • 44. Samson and Delilah (Guercino)
  • 45. Strasbourg Crucifixion
  • 46. Virgin and Child with two Angels (Botticelli)
  • 47. Virgin Mary (El Greco, Strasbourg)

Keep up the good work, I love your articles. Jane (talk) 09:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jane! There will be more articles coming. About the bot, User:Jane023/Top collections by number of Wikipedia painting articles still says 36 paintings (not 47, browser refreshed and all), so I suppose that something is not okay. All the best, --Edelseider (talk) 15:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see your counting problem now. The bot just counts the paintings based on having two properties set (instance of painting and collection = Musée des Beaux-Arts de Strasbourg ). I Wikipedia categories, it is up to the discretion of the editor. I made a new list for you to check in order to see what the actual paintings are that the bot counts. If the title can link to a Wikipedia entry, it will. I just checked and there are 36 that link to Wikipedia so the ones that don't are these:
  • Ambrosius Volmar Keller (Baldung)
  • Earthly Vanity and Divine Salvation (Memling)
  • Glasses in a Basket (Stoskopff)
  • Great Vanity (Stoskopff)
  • Mestre Altarpiece
  • Nativity of the Virgin/Doubt of Saint Joseph
  • Nordic Landscape with a Castle on a Hill
  • Saint Madeleine and Saint Catherine (Witz)
  • The Dead Lovers
  • The Myth of Prometheus (Piero di Cosimo)

In the case of the Konrad Witz painting the collection of the Wikidata item is set to the church and not to the museum, so that's why it's not showing up in the list. You can either add the collection to the painting item or accept that it doesn't show up in the list. I didn't check the others. Jane (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I made some corrective edits on Wikidata now. À bientôt ! --Edelseider (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Hi Jane, since you gave me that toy, I cannot stop playing with it! Thank you again! The only negative aspect is that I spend most of my time on Wikidata now and neglect Wikipedia... but I will be back! Cheers, Edelseider (talk) 06:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Great! We can always use more people on Wikidata when it comes to paintings. Jane (talk) 14:50, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Magi (Jan Mostaert) - which you started- is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 08:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! Thanks so much for this, and Happy Holidays to you too! I am completely flabbergasted. This creates much more work for me on Wikidata too I see but it's all very fascinating stuff. Thanks for tackling the details like this, I truly appreciate it. Especially during these strange corona months it's been nice to have paintings I can dive into. Jane (talk) 10:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings from 2nd lockdown in 2020 to all of my followers here

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This year COVID-19 lockdown has taken me beyond borders so here's a Spanish seasonal greeting in a painting from Romania, owned by a French king, commissioned by a Spanish lady-in-waiting, painted in 1596 by a Greek: The Adoration of the Shepherds (El Greco, Bucharest) Jane (talk) 14:51, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I've had a go at expanding this article, but I'm a bit stuck. The top news hit at the moment for Bendery is a Fox News piece saying she apologised for saying Mike Pence was lying about Covid vaccine distribution, but I obviously can't use that. Elsewhere, there are news sources quoting her views on HuffPost here there and everywhere, but nothing concrete enough to spin an article out of it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for trying! I have been following her on Twitter all year because she appears to be the only journalist following US Tribal affairs at the national level (including for US legislation). Amazing she would be considered non-notable by Wikipedia - just try clicking "What links here" on her article for all the incoming links I fixed (there are more than just those). I am not a "US journalist bio" Wikipedian, so I can't help more than I did already. Jane (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel van Dantzig PD images?

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HI Jane. Thanks for the encouragement on Dutch women sculptors. Perhaps you can help me with images of Rachel van Dantzig's work. She has a category in the commons section with no images. I assume someone may have mistakenly posted photographs of her work thinking that since her work was in public domain, the photos of her work would be in public domain. Perhaps the photos were subsequently deleted...It is a mystery to me. Do you think the images in RKD are in public domain? Thanks for taking a look at this. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, sculptures generally always fall under copyright rules everywhere, because photo's of them are considered art for Wiki Commons hosting purposes. That said, you can often manage to keep uploaded photo's of public domain sculptures (sculptures by artists who died over 70 years ago) if you take these yourself or if the holdng institution releases their copyright for their own photo's of them. Then for sculptors who died less than 70 years ago there is the opportunity to upload self-taken photo's of works they did as public art, if that art is installed in the public space and the jurisdiction allows "Freedom of Panorama" or "FOP", which means the government of that country has released copyright for photo's of works in the public space. This is not true for the US, but it is true for the Netherlands, so if she has created any public art anywhere there, then probably someone on the Dutch Wikipedia can be asked to take a picture of it for you. All of those linked images in the RKD say "unknown location" except for the portrait of Winkler, which looks like it is inside some private location. So no joy there. Jane (talk) 11:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking on this. I'll just have to take a trip to the Netherlands...WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm working on a project and am hoping you can help me. The topic is extremely complex to begin with and most sources do not mention at all how nationality impacted women. I thought I would "start with what I know" and work on the Americas, but the problem, of course, is that as the countries were all colonized, it requires background information from the colonizer. What I am finding is that there were separate treatments for the motherland and the colonies with regard to nationality laws. When I started to work on Guyana, I got stumped, as the sources I can find state that Britain used the Dutch Concept Plan of Redress to rule until 1928 when it drafted new rules. I cannot figure out how to discover what this document(s) was or what its stipulations for nationality were. I am finding that among the Spanish colonies there were many similarities, thus I feel certain that discovering the history of Guyana on this topic will also lead to insight for Suriname, the Dutch Antilles, and Indonesia (as well as Netherlands and Belgium, in all likelihood), but of course the problem is I don't speak/read Dutch. I know this is not your specific area of interest, but am curious if you can either help me or can refer me to someone who does speak Dutch to figure out the nationality laws and their impact on women in the former Dutch possessions? Thanks! SusunW (talk) 16:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Dutch Concept Plan of Redress is essentially the pre-independent constitution of Guyana, but I was not able to find it online (I guess you have not found it either). If somebody finds it, it is an immediate candidate to be uploaded to Wikisource. Moreover, I can not figure out what the Dutch name for the Dutch Concept Plan of Redress is, otherwise I could have searched for it. I have somewhere a book on the history of Suriname, and I should be able to find it this weekend and may be quickly see whether the issue is covered there, or at least whether they have the name of the status (this is a brief history of Suriname, mind you). There is of course a chance that I totally forget, and remember about it next time someone edits Jane's talk page while I am not in the office.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ymblanter Thanks! Yes, I cannot find it no matter how I search and like you, I am unsure of what it might actually have been called in Dutch. Anything that might point in the direction of how "inhabitants" were categorized would be helpful. If you find the book on Suriname, possibly it will help. I'm happy for any assistance and appreciate your looking into it. SusunW (talk) 22:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea and my searches don't come up with anything on "Concept Plan of Redress". We do have a Surinam history project I believe on Dutch Wikipedia so you can always try the village pump there. Having looked for stuff to do with Guyana before, I can report that the coverage on Wiki projects is fairly thin, unfortunately. When it comes to early financial documents that are called "Dutch", often the documents are not kept in the Netherlands but are held in the British Library. I always forget that a lot of administrative tasks (especially financially related ones) were exiled from Amsterdam to London during the French occupation. So you can try search the BL too. Jane (talk) 10:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ymblanter and Jane023: Thank you both for trying. I may have found what I need here. Not the Dutch name of the document, nor its provisions, but at least discussion of the plantocracy, regardless of origin, being the "protected class", so to speak. One final query. In searching for information I ran across an article which discusses women's nationality in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, it is a photograph rather than text and short of typing the whole thing out in Dutch to run it through several translation programs, I am at a loss. Would either of you be willing for me to send you the document so that you can advise what pertinent information it might contain? Again, thank you for your insight, it truly was helpful. SusunW (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if it is of a reasonable size and the language is not too much legal, I probably can translate it. --Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much. I have sent you wikimail Ymblanter. SusunW (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ymblanter One of my queries resulted in locating the Plan of Redress. You had mentioned uploading it, but I have no clue how to do that or even if the text of it qualifies (since it isn't a copy of the original so to speak). Here it is in text form and even translated to English. Not pushing you at all, but any progress on the Dutch document? SusunW (talk) 15:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but unfortunately it dies not say anything about women, not in the Dutch version, and not in the English one. Concerning the document, unfortunately not: I basically got quarantined within my own room (I can not even freely moved over the apartment), which does mot make things easier.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes Yaroslav! Hope your quarantine period goes smoothly without any illness, and good luck with your back (can't be good to be confined to your room). Jane (talk) 14:37, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Jane. I am actually ok and plan to go back to my office starting from Monday, but of course all the routines will have to be developed from scratch.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ymblanter so sorry to hear this. I hope you will be able to move about again come Monday. SusunW (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. No problem, I hope so.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! I hope you take the time to try "pushing out" some content from Commons->Wikidata->Wikipedia too. With the MET's huge image donation there are tons of stories waiting to be told. They did a second pass over their images to connect them to Wikidata and we have much more information to connect those things to other things. Thanks for your contributions! Jane (talk) 19:44, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Weird. I hope it hasn't been a victim of the Corona crisis. If so, I hope the archive is stashed somewhere safe online. If it was never published, then we may need to delete it. It wouldn't be the first time, sadly. Jane (talk) 12:22, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. Thanks for working on that list, and hope you are well too! User:Jane023/Paintings in the Musée d'Unterlinden and d:Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Collection/Musée d'Unterlinden Jane (talk) 11:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I feel sick whenever I see another "killed by OS for overloading memory" on WD, but apart from that, I am healthy. :) --Edelseider (talk) 12:16, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OMG tell me about it! I have started just running simple queries over and over because I can no longer rely on those lists to remain updated month-to-month. It's still a mystery to me why some work and others don't. You can do that too, but you can't get the same amount of data inline that you can get in a listeria list. Jane (talk) 12:35, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Interesting - I have been working on the Führermuseum so I will take a look. Thanks. Jane (talk) 17:05, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Jane023, Our paths crossed three years ago in the matter of the tin can or the pewter jug in Frans Hals's Jongen met glas en tinnen kan. You might be able to help me again. I was recently sent a picture postcard from Gotha showing the painting that has a page on Commons with the title (and jpg file) "Frans Hals - Portrait of a Man, Gotha". The picture was stolen from Schloss Friedenstein in Gotha in 1979 and found its way back thither in 2020. It is not in the List of paintings by Frans Hals, possibly because it is attributed on Commons not to Hals himself but to Hals's circle. From what I have found, the press and the Schloss believe it to be a work by Hals – but I have no access to the formal catalogues or learned journals. Would you have the time and facility to check the disattribution, please, and let me know? Thank you. <span data-dtsignatureforswitching="1"></span> Frans Fowler (talk) 08:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I linked the file, which if you go to Commons and scroll down, you will see the black and white version which is from one of the open access catalogs available on archive.org. Just scanning the codes, it looks like the catalogs from the 1930s and earlier claim genuine Hals (Valentiner, etc) but from the 1970s onwards picked their attribution from Seymour Slive, who unfortunately has died in 2014 so he couldn't give it a better attribution. I have no idea if Claus Grimm is still alive or whether the Frans Hals Museum has any say in official attributions. Obviously, a catalog cannot be changed retroactively, but Slive himself made many remarks about old catalogs, even stating about maintaining old attributions "judging from an old photograph, ...". I am not affiliated with the RKD but it is bizarre, to say the least, that they still don't even have a record for this painting. If it's any consolation, they are also missing a few Rembrandts, so they are hopelessly incomplete, though filled with noble aspirations. Send them your message, or better yet, make a Wikipedia article! I will add the catalog references if you do. Pick any Wikipedia language you like - the notability is undisputed. Jane (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Jane. I shall try and have a go at an article for English Wikipedia – as soon as I get a round tuit. I had better do a little more research first and shall get back to you if I get stuck or when I have something to show. Best wishes Frans Fowler (talk) 17:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again, Jane. I do have something to show now: User:Frans Fowler/Portrait of a man in a wide-brimmed hat (Hals; Gotha). Would you like to look at it, please? At the moment I can't think of much else to put in the article, but perhaps you have suggestions for additions, deletions, improvements, or corrections. Everybody who has ever written about the picture seems to have chosen their own title for it – I am keeping to that tradition in the hope that mine is unambiguous. And I have gone for "oil on canvas" rather than "oil on panel": it seems to be the more common description, including on the postcard I mentioned earlier. Thank you and all the best. Frans Fowler (talk) 23:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Jane, Before you respond, you might prefer to hang on: I think I might have some more precise questions for you about the attribution (or otherwise) of the painting to Frans Hals, and the catalogues. Any other suggestions you have concerning the article would of course be very welcome. Hope you are well. I shall be in touch again soon. Frans Fowler (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Veery nice article, and quite an interesting read! This painting has had a more interesting life than its sitter could ever have imagined. I will add the references as promised. I think you can go ahead and publish, the references you have used look fine to me. Jane (talk) 07:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, Jane, for your kind remarks and your imprimatur. I have put Molenaar in the Illustrations for comparison section (he is closer comparator than Roosterman). However, I am missing these details you might be able to supply: Can you help me with page or item numbers for the Gotha portrait in the Bode–Binder and Dony catalogues, for inclusion in their respective Attribution-section refs?
You will see I have added and changed a few things (I hope for the better!) here and there in the draft article since Wednesday morning.
With some trepidation and the greatest respect, I have provisionally removed your verbatim quotation from Hofstede de Groot. I do appreciate that analogous quotations feature in some other articles about paintings, but I think you will find that substantially all the details from HdG are worked into the Description and context section. That section and the Attribution section include a ref pointing to the same site and page as the ref for your quotation. If practical, I try and avoid repetition. Frans Fowler (talk) 04:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey nice to see you here! I was afraid you had left because of the whole listeria bugginess. Still no joy in that department, though it seems timeouts are happening less often for me (but I do tend to trim my queries into bite-size chunks these days). Yes I see the problem with this source and since the word itself doesn't even exist in the Dutch language, I disapprove but also see no real way forward except to do as the Germans have done and create a page for "Monochrome Banketje", which will only open a whole other can of worms. The real problem is the number of terms used in old Dutch inventories of the 16th and 17th centuries that later became misused. A "banketje" can technically mean anything from a group of people seated around a meal to one of these so-called breakfasts-that-are-not-breakfast. Apparently someone found it a good idea to tack on the Dutch word "stuk" or piece, but that's not something you'll find in any Dutch source. The best thing would probably be to cut these out entirely, since they don't really add any information. There is much more wrong with this article though, but that's me being annoyed about the sources. Sigh. Heda was instrumental in introducing his own style that was different from Pieter Claesz but I don't really know how to express that in a concise way. As far as I can tell this is a highly under-represented subject in Dutch 17th century painting sources. I also have limited catalogs at my disposal and have been wrestling with the Vroom catalogs for months without making much progress besides adding the paintings to commons. It is my firm hope that once armed with the images, the articles will soon follow. In this specific case, the various replicas of the blackberry pie should be brought together. The "other versions" are not the replicas and we also need an article about the "Heda nautilus cup" which is featured (horizontally) in this painting. I don't think anyone but Vroom tried to categorize these at all. Sorry if I upset you! I was grateful to see there was any article at all about this (in my view important) painting. Jane (talk) 12:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Monochrome banquet is exactly how Dominique Jacquot (ref 2 in the article) defines the painting; he writes that it belongs to that category, while Sandrine Le Bideau-Vincent (ref 1) writes that it is a banketjestuk. The museums are filled to the brim with paintings like these, some are better than others but there definitely is a whole subgenre Wikipedia should pay more attention to. All the best, Edelseider (talk) 14:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes of course! Nice find Jane (talk) 09:50, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Jane023,

In the Summary > References section of the page for the portrait of Nicolaes van der Steen (Nicolaas Stenius) attributed to Frans Hals (and on the corresponding Commons page) there is a link that should point to the description of the painting on the Museum Catherijneconvent's site. Clicking on that link currently returns a server error exception. I can't see how to correct the link, but perhaps you know. If so, could you mend it, please? The following URL does work: https://adlib.catharijneconvent.nl/Details/collect/40989

Thanks.

Incidentally, I saw the painting recently in Utrecht and I have to say it doesn't look to me like a convincing Hals. For example, the handling of the paint for the black cloak seems uncharacteristically smooth. But it is signed, and the museum itself says the painting has been sterk gerestaureerd. Has there been any discussion of its attribution to Hals, do you know?

Thank you again, and voorspoedig nieuwjaar, Frans Fowler (talk) 21:18, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I hope Frans Fowler (talk) 19:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Jane023, could you take a look at both files? Johan Servaes van Limburg (1632-98). Deken van het kapittel van Sinte Marie te Utrecht Rijksmuseum SK-A-3928.jpeg and File:Portret van Johan Servaes van Limburg (1632-1698), SK-A-3928.jpg to verify/confirm the artist? thank you so much. Lotje (talk) 06:05, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I looked but they appear to be correctly attributed. I added both to a category and connected them to the pendant. Jane (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Jane023. Thanks for coming back to this. As usually, I have not expressed myself clearley here description reads:
Artist: Anonymous Cornelis Janssens van Ceulen (II) died 1730-03-11
Adrianus van IJsselstein died 1684-12-09
here, further down the page description reads: schilder: Cornelis Janssens van Ceulen (II) (toegeschreven aan)schilder: Adrianus van IJsselstein (verworpen toeschrijving)
Since imo these are 2 identical images, and there shouldn't be duplicates on commons, I would suggest to delete 1 file. But then, the description should be complete and correct (in the Captions
ps. could we, in the future, have these kind of conversations in Dutch? Thanks. Lotje (talk) 06:11, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Je mag me ook benaderen op Commons hoor! Nee, bestanden op Commons hoeven niet verwijderd te worden en de informatie in de bestanden klopt nog steeds met de info op de website. Ik heb de oude attributie toegevoegd onder de maker als “deprecated” op Wikidata. Jane (talk) 08:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Jane. I have seen that your compatriot, the noted Dutch painter Martin Engelman (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1538665) is a red link. I find this a bit strange, because he evidently is an important artist from the Netherlands. I have been in Colmar again this summer, and not only does the Unterlinden Museum own several of his paintings, they actually display them next to some of the biggest names of 20th-century art (Picasso, Delaunay, Dubuffet, Léger, Bonnard, Dix, etc.). I wondered if you shouldn't start writing something about him here and on nl.wikipedia, too. All the best, Edelseider (talk) 16:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I see he suffers posthumouusly from the infamous but well known "copyright gap". If you can't show one of his paintings on his Wikipedia page, then it's just no fun to write about him. I suppose I could create a stub - somebody will pick it up and expand it eventually! Thanks for the tip. Jane (talk) 18:01, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How is Dutch Wikipedia in so far as art is concerned - are you the only driving force or are there others? Engelman has an article in German but not in Dutch, it should be the other way round! All the best, --Edelseider (talk) 18:44, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think Dutch Wikipedia is pretty good on the arts in general, but it's still a pretty small group of editors and like I said, it's more fun to write about people whose Wikipedia page you can illustrate. Of the Dutch-writing group of Wikipedians, I think there's a fairly large group that prefers to write on English Wikipedia because you get more bang for your buck in terms of pageviews (assuming most Wikpedians are pageview junkies). Jane (talk) 09:11, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I thought. I'm like that too, English is not my native language, but I prefer to write here, because of the potential worldwide audience. See also Gerda Arendt. Well... --Edelseider (talk) 15:59, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hope you're well. Just in case it's of use to you, I took a bunch of photos at Mompesson House this past weekend that turn out to be by Dutch masters - am slowly working through and identifying them. Coming across your username in the history of artist articles. :-) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine thanks! How nice to have these - thanks for uploading! Jane (talk) 12:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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