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[edit]Thank you Kpark252 (talk) 19:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
- You are welcome! Hseong2 (talk) 19:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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Your question at the Teahouse about Credible Sources / Bibliography
[edit]Hello, Hseong2, and thank you for visiting the Teahouse. As requested I am responding here rather than there.
The first source should be just fine, as it was published in a scientific journal. The other two do not appear to have been published formally (though one states it was presented at a seminar) and are thus not ideal sources for a Wikipedia article. Neither of those two sources could establish notability for whatever topic you want to write an article about. Provided the facts in question were uncontroversial, however, I am of the opinion that the two sources not formally published would still be acceptable to cite in support of statements of fact. Note that other editors might disagree, and if that were to happen, consensus would have to be developed through discussion in order to decide whether the questionable sources should be kept or not. I hope this has been clear. Feel free to ask further questions either here or at the Teahouse; if you respond here, please copy and paste [[User:GrammarFascist|GrammarFascist]]
somewhere in your reply, so that Wikipedia will notify me of your response. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 13:23, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hello, Hseong2. I'm afraid I have to somewhat disagree with the advice given by GrammarFascist above. Wikipedia does not require "formal" publication, nor publication in a peer-reviewed journal, although this is generally particularly desirable. We do require publication. Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources defines "published" as "made available to the public in some form" with a note that "This includes material such as documents in publicly accessible archives, inscriptions on monuments, gravestones, etc., that are available for anyone to see". However Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Overview says: "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves." This means that the editorial reputation of the publication matters. A paper published in a conference or seminar Proceedings volume could well be a reliable source, depending on the level of editorial oversight that the publisher uses and its reputation. But "pre-prints" and papers presented at a seminar or conference that does not exercise any oversight would have to be treated as self-published sources. These are acceptable only if the author is considered a "recognized expert" in the field. So your second and third sources might or might not be acceptable, depending on just where they were published and the circumstances. As to whether any of these would help with notability, it depends on what topic's notability is involved. Publications must be independent of the topic to establish notability (as well as being reliable), so any topic closely associated with the authors or publishers of any source will not be helped by that source. Also, there must be significant, in-depth discussion of a topic in a given source for that source to help establish the notability of that topic. A mere passing mention will not do. I hope this is at least somewhat helpful. Feel free to ping me with
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or post to User talk:DESiegel if you want to ask me additional questions. DES (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC) @GrammarFascist: DES (talk) 17:44, 7 October 2015 (UTC)- @DESiegel: Hi. Thank you for the answer to the previous question (I would like to thank GrammarFascist also). I have another question to ask. I looked at some articles on wikipedia and there were some articles that had presentations as references. If the presentation is made by government officials or credible institutions, can it be counted as a credible source (can it be used as a peer reviewed article)? Here is the presentation: Threat & Error Management (TEM) SafeSkies Presentation. Hseong2 (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Please remember, there are many things done on many Wikipedia articles which are sub-standard practice, and should not be imitated. This is related to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, and tht soemthing is done on another article is not a persuasive argument, unless it is done on most articles of a given type, or perhaps on a Good Article or a Featured article.
- That said, in this case the presentation seems to have been published on a government web site, and it looks like a fairly reliable source, depending what content you intend to support with it. DES (talk) 00:10, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- @DESiegel: Hi. Thank you for the answer to the previous question (I would like to thank GrammarFascist also). I have another question to ask. I looked at some articles on wikipedia and there were some articles that had presentations as references. If the presentation is made by government officials or credible institutions, can it be counted as a credible source (can it be used as a peer reviewed article)? Here is the presentation: Threat & Error Management (TEM) SafeSkies Presentation. Hseong2 (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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Final Article
[edit]Hi, Dr. Kearns. Here is my final article: Threat and error management Hseong2 (talk) 19:35, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I have incorporated all the experts' advice (including yours). I would like to thank everyone who gave me constructive feedback on my article. I will always keep in mind that everybody reads and edits my article. I hope my work is a helpful guide to someone who wants to learn about aviation industry. Hseong2 (talk) 19:37, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
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