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Your submission at Articles for creation: DOBAG Carpet Initiative (June 14)

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This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms, that are designed to promote or show-off the subject.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: DOBAG Carpet Initiative has been accepted

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Sulfurboy (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Kurt Erdmann (July 20)

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This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.
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Sulfurboy (talk) 22:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Kurt Erdmann has been accepted

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DGG ( talk ) 22:50, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

one thing you forgot: the link to the deWP article. I added it at the end. We put it in as an ordinary link, in the form [[de:Kurt Erdmann]], but located by itself at the end it makes the inter-wiki links in both directions automatically.

I encourage you to ask me for help with any article on academics--I work in that field extensively. DGG ( talk ) 00:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Transylvanian carpets (September 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by LaMona was:

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LaMona (talk) 16:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Transylvanian carpets. Thanks! -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:13, 19 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Early Anatolian Animal carpets has been accepted

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Yann (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Transylvanian rugs has been accepted

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs

Thank you for your recent articles, including Transylvanian rugs, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, I appreciate your advice. Will do so during the next days. HajjiBaba (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Persian carpet

Hi, any chance of expanding the very short lead here? Then I can adapt that for User:Johnbod/Persian art, which I am building up to fill a major gap. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 19:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johnbod, great new draft article. Please have a look at Persian carpet now. HajjiBaba (talk) 08:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! I will start by copying most of the new lead to the draft (which is going rather slowly). So far I've written very little of it - it's mainly leads etc copied from individual existing articles. Johnbod (talk) 15:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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		For commendable work on Transylvanian rugs. LavaBaron (talk) 04:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, HajjiBaba. I'm happy to see the great work you've been doing on Ulama, but I have a concern about your citations. Though I'm not sure about this, it looks like you may be borrowing them from the source rather than citing the source you're using. We have a guideline on that, WP:SAYWHERE. It applies to all sources, but it's especially consequential for primary source citations. If you're citing a primary source for a synthetic or interpretative statement, it will look like a violation of WP:PRIMARY to other editors, and the content will be removed, which would be unfortunate. Eperoton (talk) 00:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Eperoton, many thanks for your comments on my edits, much appreciated. The article has multiple issues, and I'm still working on many of them. Generally, in an article which touches on potentially difficult and controversial issues, I think it is appropriate to include information about primary sources (cited after a secondary source, not doing original research). Knowing that the text is still far from being perfect, I'd like to kindly ask for some patience from your end, for the time being. I will try and clean up the article over time, taking extra care to avoid the issues you mentioned in your comment. Your support and corrections will always be welcome.--HajjiBaba (talk) 04:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I just want to make sure the citation style doesn't give rise to unnecessary objections in the future. It's not often that someone takes the time to use high-quality academic sources in this subject area, so I'd be glad to help in any way I can. I'd like to give your the time you need, but also to raise any potential issues while you're still around and the sources are fresh in your memory. Please feel free to ping me when you're ready. Eperoton (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. I think you would find useful some texts devoted specifically to the subject of ulama, since it's not always obvious how to disentangle it from related topics. The best ones I know are Ulama in EI2 and the entry by the same title in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought by Muhammad Qasim Zaman, which is also available in another Princeton title. Zaman has written an oft-cited book on contemporary ulama, and a chapter on that topic in vol. 6 of the New Cambridge History of Islam. Among general surveys, there's a nice discussion of these topics in Berkey's Formation of Islam (particularly chapters 13 and 21-23). I would also recommend Wael Hallaq's recent coverage of related subjects in Sharī'a: Theory, Practice, Transformations. He condensed and adapted this book for a general audience in An Introduction to Islamic Law, which has a very handy overview of different pre-modern ulama roles right at the outset. This is a somewhat personal perspective from a towering figure in this field. Knut S. Vikør's book covers much of the same material in a more dispassionate textbook style. It looks like you have good access to academic sources, but if not, I could help you with some of the above. I'm working on some related material as part of my ongoing rewrite of Sharia.

I share your appreciation of detailed bibliographical information, but it's worth remembering that citations on WP have a particular purpose, which is to help our fellow editors verify that our text accurately summarizes a RS (and change it if it does not). To be clear, I'm pretty confident that your text reflects the sources you've used. I just want to point out the parts that wouldn't look properly sourced to another observer, so that they aren't removed for that reason later. There are still a few of those, and I'll add some tags to flag the problematic bits shortly.

Hope this helps. Eperoton (talk) 01:24, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Some of the sources you mention are already cited in the article, all of them are great to use in further edits. Please feel free to tag any issues, I'll continue working on the article. Again, your help is much appreciated.--HajjiBaba (talk) 17:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've added some tags, which should be just a matter of quick fixes. In order to see which source a statement comes from, one normally looks to the next ref. When one comes to the end of the paragraph without seeing one, the text looks unsourced. When a pointer to a primary source B intervenes in the middle of general statements sourced to A, an extra ref is needed to make that clear: General statement.[ref A] Statement about primary source B.[ref B, as cited in A]. General statement 2.[ref A] Also, be aware that citing dozens of book pages for a simple statement looks puzzling and is likely to prompt suspicions of WP:SYN and unspecific tags,^{[not specific enough to verify]} but it's up to you whether to take that risk. I've also tagged a phrase for clarification, because it's not at all clear what it means to "construe" one body of law from another. Eperoton (talk) 19:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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You've never been "officially" welcomed here, and that's a crying shame. Really nice work incorporating those references, you (being much more familiar with the topic than I am) did a significantly better job than I could have. All the best, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:36, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, thank you. I enjoy this kind of collaborative effort, and was very happy about the literature you've provided.--HajjiBaba (talk) 18:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sufism in Ulama

Hello HajjiBaba,

I saw one of your additions in Ulama regarding Islamic Mysticism which says that it was not a pure Islamic based belief but influenced by eastern Christianity monasticism and originated in Iraq and Syria and not in the Hejaz in Arabia. I would like to ask you how true is this and your thoughts about it, because I studied Islamic history and I still deeply confused about the origins of Sufism, since most of the recent sources I saw they use to reject the external influences and go to a pure Islamic based beliefs that originated almost at the time of Muhammad. We can find this statements in other pages of Wikipedia too...and Malik Abbas, the founder of the Maliki school of the traditions of the people of Medina, that was the adversary of the people of Iraq, was a great lover of Sufi practitioners...so I'm deeply confused and would like to have this more clear and you seems to be interested too in Islamic history.

Sincerely, Coyote7798 (talk) 06:12, 4 July 2018 (UTC)Santiago[reply]

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Hi Coyote7798, may I suggest that we continue the discussion on the talk page?--HajjiBaba (talk) 00:35, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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