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Administrators' newsletter – February 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2023).

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  • Voting in the 2023 Steward elections will begin on 05 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC) and end on 26 February 2023, 21:00 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
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ANI

Hello General Ization, I mentioned a post left by an IP editor on your talk page in an ANI that I just filed. Thank you, Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report

Our 2022 Annual Report is now ready for review.

Highlights:

  • Overview of Backlog-reduction progress
  • Summary of Drives, Blitzes, and the Requests page
  • Membership news and results of elections
  • Closing words
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Vandalism

I'd like to apologize for any misconstrued spelling of I may, but regarding this, I'd like to inform you and the community that my personal info on both my phone and laptop have been and are hacked unto and are still utilizing my docs to impersonate me when infact, it is not me. Str13tlife (talk) 00:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Are you saying your account has been compromised, Str13tlife? — Trey Maturin 01:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes Str13tlife (talk) 01:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

A new section is not needed to reply to a comment. I have removed it. Tropicalkitty (talk) 01:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Forrest Mars Sr

The correction to this information is not here say, or unsubstantiated. It is clear history that he had routinely taken credit for this product, when it was Frank Mars who created it in the 20s. It is documented that he even admitted it was his father all along. Mollym80 (talk) 21:51, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mollym80: The change you are persistently making is not verifiable because you are not providing a reliable source for the change. Unless you can provide a source that clearly states that Mars merely "took credit" for the products and launch mentioned, rather than that he introduced those products and initiated that launch, as currently stated in the lead section, stop changing the article. "It is documented" is not sufficient unless you cite a reliable source that provides that documentation. General Ization Talk 21:59, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
@Mollym80: Also, do not provide false edit summaries for your edits. This edit clearly did not fix a "typo" as you claimed. General Ization Talk 22:16, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. I should have put erroneous information, I couldn't find something that fit. The information is erroneous and should not be attributed to him, but to his father. Please help me in providing accurate corrections, moving forward. Mollym80 (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@Mollym80: Please see [1], which describes Forrest Mars' role in creating the Milky Way bar which was subsequently manufactured by his father. I see no reason to contradict this writer's research. The Mars company's own Web site describes this as "1923: Father and Son Collaborate and Launch New Candy Bar". As to the other products mentioned in the lead, I don't see any reason to challenge the claim that Forrest, not his father, introduced them, especially since the Mars bar was introduced in England by Forrest's company, not in the US by Frank's company, and Frank Mars died c. 1935, before the other products mentioned were even brought to market. General Ization Talk 00:45, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

A Fortune article from March 31, 2013, contradicts it. It's cool though. Mollym80 (talk) 02:16, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2023).

Guideline and policy news

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Miscellaneous

  • The 2023 appointees for the Ombuds commission are AGK, Ameisenigel, Bennylin, Daniuu, Emufarmers, Faendalimas, JJMC89, MdsShakil, Minorax and Renvoy as regular members and Zabe as advisory members.
  • Following the 2023 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Mykola7, Superpes15, and Xaosflux.
  • The Terms of Use update cycle has started, which includes a [p]roposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing. Feedback is being accepted until 24 April 2023.

Request made at ANI for help to stop unregistered editor's harassment

Thanks for trying to help with 73.24.189.66's messages on my User Talk page. They don't seem to have gotten the message so I've opened a discussion at ANI to ask for an administrator to step in. ElKevbo (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

@ElKevbo: I had submitted a request at AIV for the IP to be blocked since they again posted on your Talk page after your request and my warning, but since the matter is now at ANI I have removed the AIV request. General Ization Talk 21:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help! ElKevbo (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Emigrated to

Hi, regarding this, see the literature:

Google Scholar Books
"emigrated to" 105.000 1.950.000
"immigrated to" 107.000 693.000

Clearly, according to the literature, the original was correct. - DVdm (talk) 22:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@DVdm: Please see the definitions of emigrate and immigrate. The fact that the terms are commonly misused/interchanged doesn't mean we should perpetuate the error. General Ization Talk 22:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, see a dictionary: [2]: "to emigrate from Ireland to Australia." - DVdm (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Right. If you want to keep the long-standing term, then the sentence should be revised to say that Bohm emigrated from the US to Brazil. General Ization Talk 22:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
And many more at [3]. Start with [4]: "The family left Czechoslovakia in 1968 and emigrated to America.".
I don't think the from-part should be explitly included, as it is clear from where he emigrated. - DVdm (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong. And no, Bohm's country of origin is not otherwise identified in the Feynman article. However, I'm not so invested as to want to argue about it further. General Ization Talk 23:02, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
The reason why I'm a bit invested in it, is because once there was anon with the single purpose to change every occurrence of "emigrated to" to "immigrated to" — on the entire project. IIRC the user got blocked. I had saved the above stats table on my sandbox. I just had to copy and update the numbers here . Cheers. - DVdm (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Well, that's unfortunate, as the IP was technically correct, the common misuse of the terms notwithstanding. I still think the wording I proposed is a reasonable compromise that is consistent with the meaning of the term emigrate. General Ization Talk 23:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Actually, it all depends on direction, on where the person who is writing or reading the sentence, finds themselves. To emigrate is to go away (direction outward, Latin: migrare ex ...). To immigrate is to come in (direction inward, Latin: migrare in ...). In an article in a primarily American encyclopedia about an American (-Feynman-) one can assume that the reader feels being in the US, so when there is talk about someone migrating away from the US to somewhere else, the natural expression would be to emigrate. That's probably why we have a Category:American emigrants to Brazil as opposed to a Category:American immigrants to Brazil, Category:American emigrants in Brazil or Category:American immigrants in Brazil. Follow the links, and look at what happened in the first one. See this discussion - DVdm (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Um, no. A verb does not change its meaning, and the choice of a verb does not become more or less accurate or appropriate, depending on the position of the reader or writer, unless the reader/writer is the subject or object of the verb (neither is the case here). In the sentence at issue, Bohm emigrated from the US. It doesn't matter where you or I are located as to whether he "emigrated" or "immigrated"; the word choice is determined by its meaning (to leave versus to enter). The FOOian discussion was a very specialized case dealing with the construction (of categories) of the form <nationality> <emigrants or immigrants> to <country>; in that case, Bohm would have been correctly described as an "American emigrant to Brazil," because he emigrated from the U.S. to Brazil (the word from being omitted because it is implied by Bohm's stated nationality). That particular construction has nothing to do with the present case. General Ization Talk 13:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Also please note that at Wikipedia, we cannot assume that we know "where the person who is writing or reading the sentence finds themselves" in our word choices or their evaluation. Both the writer and the reader could be anywhere at all, in the same or in a different country with respect to the actor in the sentence; the words should not need to, and will not, change for readers or writers located in one place versus another. General Ization Talk 14:29, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Haplogroup L2 page being vandalized again

2603:8080:9c40:27da:7d65:c20:e922:3aa3 is adding the same false statements (such as "L2a1a has been known to have USA origins.") and link spamming to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L2_(mtDNA) as they did prior to the 3-day page protection when they were using the IP 72.183.247.116. 2600:1000:B111:BB9D:D90A:21A5:6E09:90C7 (talk) 21:17, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Report at WP:AIV. General Ization Talk 04:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Maram ahmari

I would just stop reverting them after the third revert, and when someone else jumps in and reverts their edit again, make a report on WP:ANEW. — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm familiar with how to handle this kind of disruption. General Ization Talk 04:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
My main concern here is just avoiding clogging up the article history with excessive back-and-forth edits. — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

How did you start editing

Hello!

just curious about yourself as I see you’ve edited a lot of things. What inspires you to do this? Just a 20 year old kid looking for some knowledge in life.

Enjoy your day man, just curious to know what your passionate about and why you do this 24.51.239.147 (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Beavis and Butthead episodes

Yeah if you remove 2 the pilot episodes then the added total is 237. Because that what it keeps adding up to with new season on Paramount+ listing 12 full episodes currently and not multiple segmented episodes. P.greenlink (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Discuss it with other editors on the article's Talk page. If you revert again without consensus, I will request that you be blocked. General Ization Talk 05:03, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors March 2023 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2023 Newsletter


Hello and welcome to the March 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December and our Annual Report for 2022. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members, including those who have signed up for our current March Backlog Elimination Drive. We wish you all happy copy-editing.

Election results: In our December 2022 coordinator election, Reidgreg and Tenryuu stepped down as coordinators; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo were returned as coordinators until 1 July. For the second time, no lead coordinator was chosen. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators open on 1 June (UTC).

Drive: 21 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 14 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 170 articles totaling 389,737 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Our February Copy Editing Blitz focused on October and November 2022 requests, and the March and April 2022 backlogs. Of the 14 editors who signed up, nine claimed at least one copy-edit; and between them, they copy-edited 39,150 words in 22 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: Sign up now for our month-long March Backlog Elimination Drive. Barnstars awarded will be posted here after the drive closes.

Progress report: As of 12:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 73 requests since 1 January 2023, all but five of them from 2022, and the backlog stands at 1,872 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo.

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Help

I've been banned from editing page Codrus, why? PaUZz LYte (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Already explained on your Talk page. General Ization Talk 23:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Tim Bachman died in London, UK - really?

Hi. I've been following the Tim Bachman page after his recent death. You changed his place of death to London, UK (unexpected as I haven't heard he'd been living there). No mention of a place of death in any of the media reports I've found, and your change didn't note one. Can I ask where you came across this detail? Thanks. SheamusPatt (talk) 02:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@SheamusPatt: Uh, no, that was not my edit. This was my edit, the last edit in that series. Your diff includes 8 edits by 7 editors, and you'll need to look at the page history to see who added the place of death. General Ization Talk 02:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
I was misled by Wikipedia's diffs - the edit was actually by an anonymous edit just prior to yours. Sorry. SheamusPatt (talk) 02:12, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2023).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration


Concerning LTA Lampung

Excuse me, sir..... I just told about these LTA Lampung which is very, very silly and make us frustated.... He always adding any wrong, false and fake information about geography of Indonesia (since that disruptive and cross-wiki vandalist user domiciled in Indonesia) and across country around the world on this Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects since 2016..... Although these edits which make by LTA Lampung has reverted many times and also got blocked many times even for 2 years with different IP, like in IP @114.4.215.110, @120.188.94.222 and @114.10.26.192, his cronic behavior is still doing... Not just it, he also indulging the WP:HARASSMENT behavior with another users..... If he come back for vandalizing Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects again, please take any strict action, including report to steward on Meta-Wiki if necessary and don't forget to clean up any edits which make by LTA Lampung.... Thanks.... 2001:448A:1021:28B1:2097:6977:4074:BD5B (talk) 04:13, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment about removing administrative privileges in specified situations is open for feedback.

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


"Non-White White Supremacist" is literally an oxymoron.

The fact that someone didn't think to themselves "Something about that doesn't parse" is worrying. 24.69.97.22 (talk) 22:47, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

You are welcome to think anything you like to yourself. However, unless it pertains to the improvement of the corresponding Wikipedia article, you are not welcome to add it to the article's Talk page. Your comment did not suggest or represent discussion of an improvement to the article. General Ization Talk 22:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me what I was doing wrong

I will tread more carefully next time. Dan white 76 (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

CEO TCS

pls reach out to the other editor, before blindly reverting and wasting people's time https://www.tcs.com/who-we-are/leadership/k-krithivasan Fostera12 (talk) 16:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

@Fostera12: Please see WP:BURDEN. The TCS Web site is not an "independent, published source" and thus does not serve as a reliable source for this content. In any case, you did not cite that or any other source inline with the content you added, which is why the content was removed and a notice was left on your Talk page to explain the removal. General Ization Talk 00:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
I know independent sources must be added, and I have already added even before messaging you. Let us stop this time wasting discussion. Fostera12 (talk) 11:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Addition of references to the claim in the "Lagos, Nigeria" page. Thanks.

Hello! To reiterate, as said via private message, thank you for the alert and the tutorial pages linked. I've now added citations. "Probable" was referencing historical theories, of course. It couldn't have been anything else. There seem to be a few "citation needed" alerts for other sentences in the Lagos page, long before my edit, like: "The remainder of modern-day Nigeria was seized in 1887, and when the Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria was established in 1914, Lagos became its capital, continuing as such after the country's independence from Britain in 1960 [citation needed]". Hence why I hadn't really bothered with the effort, but I understand that it's always best practice and now the information presented is of a higher confidence and quality. If there's any other correction needed, please let me know.

Best regards, DesCartavel (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
  • As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

Technical news

  • Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

Miscellaneous


Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the June 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since March. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election news: Fancy helping out at the Guild? Nominations for our half-yearly Election of Coordinators are open until 23:59 on 15 June (UTC)*. Starting immediately after, the voting phase will run until 23:59 on 30 June. All Wikipedians in good standing are eligible and self-nominations are welcomed; it's your Guild and it doesn't organize itself!

Blitz: Of the 17 editors who signed up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, nine editors completed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 24 articles totaling 53,393 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: 51 editors signed up for the month-long May Backlog Elimination Drive, and 31 copy-edited at least one article. 180 articles were copy-edited. Barnstars awarded are posted here.

Blitz: Sign up here for our week-long June Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 11 to 17 June. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 03:09 on 6 June 2023, GOCE copyeditors have processed 91 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 1,887 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybongo.

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Sent by Baffle gab1978 using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

Administrator changes

added Novem Linguae
removed

Bureaucrat changes

removed MBisanz

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.

Administrators' newsletter – August 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).

Administrator changes

added Firefangledfeathers
removed

Interface administrator changes

added Novem Linguae

Technical news

Arbitration


Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
  • A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

Miscellaneous

  • Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.

Septermber GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2023 Newsletter

Hello and welcome to the September 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

David Thomsen: Prolific Wikipedian and Guild member David Thomsen (Dthomsen8) died in November 2022. He was a regular copy editor who took part in many of our Drives and Blitzes. An obituary was published in the mid-July issue of The Signpost. Tributes can be left on David's talk page.

Election news: In our mid-year Election of Coordinators, Dhtwiki was chosen as lead coordinator, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo continue as assistant coordinators, and Baffle gab1978 stepped down from the role. If you're interested in helping out at the GOCE, please consider nominating yourself for our next election in December; it's your WikiProject and it doesn't organize itself!

June Blitz: Of the 17 editors who signed up for our June Copy Editing Blitz, 12 copy-edited at least one article. 70,035 words comprising 26 articles were copy-edited. Barnstars awarded are here.

July Drive: 34 of the 51 editors who took part in our July Backlog Elimination Drive copy-edited at least one article. They edited 276 articles and 683,633 words between them. Barnstars awarded are here.

August Blitz: In our August Copy Editing Blitz, 13 of the 16 editors who signed up worked on at least one article. Between them, they copy-edited 79,608 words comprising 57 articles. Barnstars awarded are available here.

September Drive: Sign up here for our month-long September Backlog Elimination Drive, which is now underway. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 14:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC), GOCE copy editors have processed 245 requests since 1 January. The backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,066.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo.

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion invitation

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jean-Marie Robine § Jean Marie Robine. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:25, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

You had it right the first time

Please just remove those duplicate and disruptive sections. Engaging is just going to waste time all around. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Feel free to remove it if you like. This last one seemed to me to approach a fairly constructive comment concerning the article, so I reconsidered removing it without comment. General Ization Talk 21:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
I removed it, and ended up protecting the page again, since those messages have been pretty much non-stop since the last protection expired. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

Administrator changes

added 0xDeadbeef
readded Tamzin
removed Dennis Brown

Interface administrator changes

added Pppery
removed

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
  • Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
  • Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
  • Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
  • Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
  • Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
  • An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

Miscellaneous


Allah -etymology

There is no mention of El or AL meaning God and Lah the name of the God in the Allah article! 108.26.243.70 (talk) 04:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)