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Thanks

For the ordering of my boxes. I was looking around but could not figure it out.--Girlscoutsjm (talk) 18:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. I made a SWAG as to what you were trying to do. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Proof that someone is an Eagle Scout

Hi Gadget850, this is in response to your removal of Christian Jacobs from the list of Eagle Scouts due to lack of referrable proof. How do you go about proving or disproving that one has earned the Eagle? The reason I ask is that I know that Christian did earn his, but no amount of online searching can prove me right. As a matter of fact, I earned mine as well, but aside from my personal documents, I'm not sure I can prove it. Christian is the younger brother of my wife, Rachel Jacobs. (You can verify that she both his sister and my wife by looking at their bios in IMDB.) The fact is Rachel was there when he was awarded the Eagle, as well as many family and friends. So I can look through the family photo albums or see if we can get a copy of the certificate, but truthfully, how many Eagles have any kind of public documentation? Just wondering what you think. Thanks. - Jonathan Struhs (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

We discussed this last January. You don't disprove, you prove through the use of reliable sources such as a newspaper or magazine article. As to public documentation, look at the references at List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America). --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 17:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help! I appreciate the template suggestion! Have a wonderful week. Best wishes. travb (talk) 20:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

that is perfect for my needs--thank you! travb (talk) 20:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Got it

Thanks, Ed. I won't have my own Internet connection until later this afternoon, so my edits have been catch-as-catch-can. Sorry. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 00:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Resica

Gadget, I have made some changes to Resica Falls Scout Reservation which I believe clarifies its notability. When you have a chance, can you comment back at Talk:Cradle of Liberty Council#Resica Falls merge proposal. Thanks, Mitico (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

What does "No discussion, no consensus" mean? I am currently left with the sense that in a matter of months it will be re-nominated, and if I am not watching it will be moved -- despite my attempts to discuss/clarify things now. Am I off-base? -Mitico (talk) 18:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Other than the two of us, there has been no meaningful discussion, thus there is no consensus to merge. My personal guideline is to wait at least a year before revisiting a merge or deletion, but I cannot answer for other editors. In the meantime, I have removed the article from my watchlist so I don't get pinged on it. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:14, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Well I appreciate you taking the lead on the discussion. I see from your edits that you are very active in helping editors and I thought I'd mention how commendable I think that is. Thanks, -Mitico (talk) 18:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks & Question

Thank you for your welcome message. It is greatly appreciated! One quick question. You mentioned filling in info on my user page. What kind of information gets loaded here? Are there specific things Wiki asks us to provide about ourselves? Thank you in advance. CrmsnTydGrl (talk) 15:09, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

The pretty message I left you is a standard template, but I think you are referring to "always fill in the edit summary field", which is something you did when you asked a question here. If it was something else, please let me know. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Another thanks and question

I see you updated Template talk:Archive banner and added "inputbox". What is this awesome thing and in what MediaWiki version was it added? I may want to add it to my wikis.

Thanks Timneu22 (talk) 18:48, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I wondered if anyone would notice; there was no response to my discussion on the talk page. Inputbox has been around for a long time, but the new prefix feature made it useful. See Help:Inputbox and mw:Extension:InputBox for versions and usage. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Scouting-stub}}

Hi Gadget - just wondering at the purpose of the stub subdocuments (/testcases and /sandbox). Stub templates generally never have subdocuments (they don't even have /doc files). Any changes to the templates are either done directly to the template or after discussion at WP:WikiProject Stub sorting, so I don't really see why this template needs them. Grutness...wha? 23:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I did some updates to the template today and used the sandbox and testcases to develop and test the updates. I can delete them if needed. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
That would be good - but there's no hurry if you're still using it. One slight problem, though: asbox has been largely deprecated by WP:WSS, since it causes a few problems that the standard coding doesn't - it was an experimental design that didn't work as well as we'd hoped. Grutness...wha? 00:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
<sigh> Shouldn't it be marked as deprecated? What has replaced it? Is there an example of a proper template? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, perhaps "deprecated"'s too strong a word. But new stub templates are usually made using the old "boilerplate metadata" id="stub" style now, and any unproposed new stub template creations that are found using asbox are changed over to it. Grutness...wha? 04:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I reverted my changes and deleted the subpages. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Info

Gadget, thanks for the response and links, I will follow your advice. 70.24.136.239 (talk) 15:45, 19 January 2009 (UTC) ShuttleSpace (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Computing reference desk archives

Since you gave one of the answers on the Village pump about how I could find my Help desk questions, I was wondering how a search for computing reference desk questions might work.

Someone told me I put my social security number there. I didn't, and I can't find it in the history either. But what I copied from didn't have it. I think the person saw a number the same length as a social security number and made some incorrect assumptions. Nevertheless, I put the same information in another question and need to make sure.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Who is "someone" and where did they make this statement? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:14, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I've heard that there's something you can "switch on" which causes blue redirect links to appear as green links. I've been trying to find out something (anything!) about it. In this edit you say: "I use a CSS hack to see redirects as green links".
Which CSS hack do you use? Can you point me at some information about it please? Thanks, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
(I've had a look at CSS hack, CSS, and various links from those pages, but can't spot anything that I can identify as relevant.)

Add this to monobook.css: 

a.mw-redirect {color:#308050}
a.mw-redirect:visited {color:#3070A0}

I just added customization to Wikipedia:Link color. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow! It looks like I "knocked on the door" of the right person!! Many many thanks! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

FLs

See Wikipedia_talk:Featured_list_candidates#Citations_in_lists_of_people — Rlevse • Talk • 02:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Scouting stuff

I have noticed a few of your recent edits:

  • Changing reflist to two columns. The Scouting project decided to standardize at one column; see WP:SCOUTMOS. It is not something to get hung up on, as columns in references only work for the 30% or so who use FireFox.
  • When you move an article, please check the backlinks; {{Scoutorg BSA}} needed to be updated after moving the presidents article.

--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 17:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed the backlink after you made the change—sorry about that. And thanks for the heads-up about WP:SCOUTMOS! --Eustress (talk) 17:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
It happens. I may have screwed up a time or two... --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 17:08, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Scouts

I like what the guy is trying to do, but it's coming out funny. You're good with tables, please have a look. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:51, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Have you looked at it lately? I fixed some issues in the template about 13 hours ago. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Ref systems

Hey, look at the ref and note system here. I didn't know you could do that. It may come in handy one day: Alaska_class_cruiser — Rlevse • Talk • 12:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Who do you think proposed adding groups to reflist? See Scouting# Membership. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
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Vovkulaky

Nothing since October, do we relist it or something? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 18:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I recommend that you mark it as {{stale}} and remove the merge tags. Mark the articles as needing cleanup and come back to it in six months. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Images in list articles

I notitced that you responded to my help desk question of why images were no longer printing along the right side of a list table You said you changed template:alumnistart, however the List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni still does not work propertly. I used template:fratmemberstart for the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers, which doesn't work. I'm not sure why your initial or subsequent changes to alumnistart would affect other templates since they are independent of each other. Perhaps there's a system wide problem. Can you research more and let me know?--Ccson (talk) 05:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I worked the Computer science section as a test. If this looks good to you, then we can update the template and add the image list. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 10:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
looks good to me. thanks.--Ccson (talk) 22:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
where do we go from here?--Ccson (talk) 15:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Now using {{alum/start}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 17:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I created {{Frat/start}} and changed the Vice Presidents and Supreme Court Justice of the List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers article with the new template. It worked, thanks. However; when I was at the office using a much larger monitor, the other sections were all displaying the images along the right as before without me changing to the new template. I'm going to change all sections but just wanted to make you aware of my observations. Can you review my template for correctness, make necessary changes, and again, THANKS!--Ccson (talk) 03:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I looked at it earlier today and it looks OK. The old method works fine on a large screen size, but on a smaller monitor or if you reduce the windows size, then the images move. The new method keeps the images together regardless. The only minor issue is that you created frat/start where there is not frat template— this is a bit messy. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 03:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to mimic you new template {{Alum/start}}. I have a template {{FratMember}} which mimics {{Alum}}, should I rename my new template FratMember/start?

Help:Cite errors

This is a really great resource, thankyou for taking the time to start it up. Can I persuade you to release your edits to it into the public domain so I can ruthlessly steal it for mediawiki.org's PD Help: content? Happy‑melon 17:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

GFDL not good enough for you? How do I do a PD release? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
The Help: namespace at www.mediawiki.org is under a public-domain license, so no, GFDL isn't good enough :D. Just saying "I release all my edits to Help:Cite errors into the public domain" would be fine :D Happy‑melon 18:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
"I release all my edits to Help:Cite errors into the public domain" --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:27, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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RE: My Bot

Hi there,

Yes - I know that there was a problem with the bot and it's tagging on talk pages. However, I have fixed this now and reverted the incorrect edits. The bot should now only edit the Mainspace, where the problems need to be fixed. Sorry about the error in the bot.

Thanks,

The Helpful One 21:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
BTW: I looking at how to get talk pages out of the category. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:Botanist

Hi! Thanks for your help with {{Botanist}} recently. I had a quick question for you, since you seem like an expert in this area. I fixed all of the botanist articles listed in the catscan list you provided a couple days ago, but now we have more listed at the same link. Does catscan lag a little? Or is Category:Wikipedia pages with broken references still populating? I just ran across (and fixed) Jean Michel Claude Richard, which I noticed had the error but wasn't yet categorized in the broken references category. Any ideas? --Rkitko (talk) 02:12, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The job queue is at 1.5 million entries, so the population of categories and other processes is slow and has been for a while. See Special:Statistics for the current queue. Hurry up and wait. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 02:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank You

Hi Gadget, just a quick message to say thank you for informing me about CatScan. It can be all too easy to take the helpdesk for granted sometimes, so i just wanted to thank you personally. Cheers buddy. 79.75.222.139 (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: question on help desk on Japanese naming conventions

Thanks for directing me to those articles. I agree that the Jump article follows those two points you have pointed out, but they seem to refer to Japanese script and not Latin script? My main question is: is Hokuto no Ken as appropriate as Fist of the North Star? Naming Conventions (Use English) seems to imply Fist of the North Star is the correct term, as using Hokuto no Ken would be similar to using Deutschland in the body text of an article about Germany instead of Germany.

Is this a fair comparison or am I making an error of assumption some how?

Thank you very much and sorry to have troubled you.

Serrin (talk) 00:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

My interpretation would be the second point: Fist of the North Staris the proper article title and the name used in the article; Hokuto no Ken is noted as the original name. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 22:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for your help. Serrin (talk) 08:50, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I decided to make List_of_United_States_Naval_Academy_alumni a featured list. You can see the parts I've worked on already. Any thougths or tips? Help is welcome too. One question. Click the link for Staubach's ref. I'm thinking of making that Middie pic of him his image for the article. Think it's okay? — Rlevse • Talk • 01:42, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I recently updated {{alum}} and have now documented its use with images. The makes the image part of the table so that it does not get orphaned for different size screens. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 02:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
cool. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Letting this one go. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Five minutes is pretty quick for this detection. Anyway, fixed. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

The Original Barnstar
For your kindness in offering expert help. Cheers! Eustress (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Order of the Arrow. --Eustress (talk) 22:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm just throwing stuff over the wall at the moment. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:US image sources

You left a commentary on the talk page of Template:US image sources. Come and have a look. Debresser (talk) 23:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

It's on my watchlist, so I just saw it. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

This removed the last 2 subcategories from Category:Wikipedia pages with broken references. Earlier I made a change to Wikipedia:Featured article criteria (see talk page there) that removed 28 of them, and 3 I removed the stupid way (adding {{reflist}} to the pages). Now there are only articles left, no subcategories. Debresser (talk) 00:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Good. It may take a while for the category to update given the current job queue. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 00:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
The subcategories I null-edited, so they're gone. The articles are down from over 7000 to some 4600 by now. I do like it. Debresser (talk) 09:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

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Alumni/Faculty templates

I created the {{Alum}} and {{AlumniStart}} templates, and I have to say that I really like {{alum/start}} and used it throughout the List of Georgia Institute of Technology alumni. I noticed that there's a weird (and ugly) visual glitch with the images on List of Georgia Institute of Technology faculty. Is there any chance that you could create a similar template ({{faculty/start}}?) to fix those problems? (See also: {{Faculty}}, {{FacultyStart}}) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. I will not be able to get on this until tomorrow. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


List_of_United_States_Naval_Academy_alumni#National_Security

I started the mem template. I really like it. Can you change the old ones I did for me? I'd really appreciate it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I was updating List of Alpha Phi Alpha brothers with the new "mem" template. There are some sections (i.e. "Business") which have no images and and the text show is really bizarre when previewing. I tried adding the parm "ilist" even though there were no images, but it's still displaying something bizarre. I know this is confusing and taking a lot of your time, but you are appreciated.--Ccson (talk) 04:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine in my FF and IE browsers. Hmm. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't see where you have made any changes since the 9th. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't save the changes because the preveiw showed the code didn't work. I thought you test a section in a list to verify. I will make the change and save, perhaps you will see if I have made a code error. The sections with pictures worked perfectly.--Ccson (talk) 15:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Hang on a few minutes. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
If you remember, the prior "new" template Alum/start was only used if images were avaialble, otherwise the original AlumStart template was to be used. Waiting for your reply. thanks again.--Ccson (talk) 15:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Which resulted in some inconsistent widths and meant that you used different templates. I just updated the entire article- what do you think? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
The article looks okay, including the Business section. I'm not sure what you did different than my changes, because there are at least 4 other lists that used the FratMember template that need changing, and I'm not comfortable making the changes becasue I don't know how my changes were incorrect and yours obviously did the trick. Thanks, we can move on now.--Ccson (talk) 15:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I see what you were doing. {{FratMemberStart}} ends with {{end}}; {{Mem/fstart}} ends with }}, but at the very end of the list. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 16:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Academy stuff

You attention is invited here: Talk:List_of_United_States_Naval_Academy_alumni#Other_stuff — Rlevse • Talk • 12:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I've moved all the sorts over to the list, but there are some odd things, like there is no line showing btwn King and Halsey and some tables don't show a top or bottom line. Can you look at this? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm beginning to think this is due to the size of the page as the display results are inconsistent. It's been recommended I fork the largest sections to sub articles, get them to FL and then an FT. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I looked at this with a couple of different browsers and do not see a problem. With FireFox and IE, lines in tables may disappear if your zoom is not at the default. —— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
See [1] on CNO FLC. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Archive banner

Hello. I see you recently edited template:archive banner, which is a template that I created. I'm not looking to make a modification to the template, but I just want to make it work with a table as its content. For some reason, I cannot figure out the wiki syntax for this.

It is possible to use this template and add any links I want, using the "numeric=false" flag.

But I want to add a table within the list, and this always renders a "{" only. What am I doing wrong? 

{{archives|banner=yes|numeric=false|list=
{{table
|row1=column 1{{!!}} column 2{{!!}} column 3{{!!}}
}}
}}
<pre>

Thanks for any assistance you can provide. [[User:Timneu22|Timneu22]] ([[User talk:Timneu22|talk]]) 12:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

:When the template hits the pipe | symbol, it interprets it as the start of another parameter. The easy way out of this is to use {{tl|table}}.

<pre>{{archives|banner=yes|numeric=false|list=
{{table
|row1=column 1{{!!}} column 2{{!!}} column 3{{!!}}
}}
}}

--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 15:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course. I wasn't thinking. I administer a couple mediawikis; I have a "bot" template (beginning of table) that is essentially the same, so I never run into this problem. Thanks for your guidance. Timneu22 (talk) 21:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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Does this mean we don't have to find articles piecemeal so much anymore? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 04:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully, this will automate the process to a point. It will take a few days to process. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 10:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

References and templates

I saw what you wrote on Help:Cite errors.

I made some tweaks:

  1. I added the closing brackets you forgot.
  2. I removed the word "only". Not because it was inherently wrong, but in order to avoid a misunderstanding that this method would not allow for the references to be shown in an article.

I started making another tweak, and changed "These methods require that the article include the <references /> tag:" to "The following methods are available for solving this problem:", but then I had a question:

  1. "Include the <references /> tag on the documentation page, if there is one; this shows the references". Will this not make trouble in the article? Because there will be a references tag in the middle of the article.
This refers to the template documentation page.
So that doesn't solve the problem on the template page, does it? Or am I mixing up sth? Debresser (talk) 16:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
  1. "Use a group name for the references such as <ref group=note>, then add the <references /> tag to the end of the template using {{reflist|group=note}}". Sounds like me that this will also create a references tag in the middle of the article. Debresser (talk) 12:28, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
No. This will create a reference list at the end of the template.
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 16:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Inside the article as well? Debresser (talk) 16:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The first methods only fix the error on the template page; they require that the article have the <references /> tag or the article will show the error.
The last method includes the references and the <references /> tag within the template.
Sample infobox
Label1Data1[note 1]
Label1Data2
Label3Data3
Label4Data4
  1. ^ This is the reference section

Using the group parameter, you can create multiple reference sections.

--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:59, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Debresser (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, these days I have involved myself in solving template loops. Have a look here. The first 2 are allready nominated for deletion. The other 3 are userpages. A few weeks ago there were a lot more users, and templates and infoboxes as well, but I took care of them . Do you notice anybody in particular in that list? Big smile. Debresser (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

It's gone. T1 is a test template and no longer matched that testcase page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, what do you say about {{name example}} and {{name-example}}? Should we propose one of them for deletion? If so, which one?

Have another look at Category:Template loop warnings... I'm actually proud. What do you say about the name example templates? Debresser (talk) 21:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand the purpose of either template. {{name example}} is only used on User:Dejvid, which is a bleeding mess. I guess {{name-example}} is used as an example at Help:Template. I would just redirect {{name example}} to {{name-example}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok. I'll do that. In editing groups of connected articles I do have this tendency to make all articles point to articles and have redirects just for sloppy future editors or the search system. Debresser (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Periods

Have you noticed the current FL standards are no periods (full stops) in a list? Rather use commas and semi colons, including no period at the end of notability? Other than the period at the end of nota, I think our Eagle list still meets standards. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Ye, I did. You must have notice me doing maintenance on the Eagle list. BTW: Locke is up for Commerce. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Nah, I discoverd it at FLC on the USNA lists re the comments. There's nothing official, but it's a defacto requirement not to have periods. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Printing probs

Hi Gadget, Thanks so much for going to all this trouble on my behalf. Now ... this is where you have to hold your breath and count to ten very slowly, but please bear in mind I am an utter techno-numpty (I'm always amazed I managed to figure out how to upload photos!). I think I've added the correct bit of the code you gave me to my CSS (whatever that is! The code came up in the right colours when I pressed 'save') but ... I can't bypass my cache - the instructions say press ctrl and the refresh/reload button - and I don't know which on my keyboard the latter is. Is it one of the F ones? (F2 is the only one I know) Jasper33 (talk) 13:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Drumroll, fanfare, tada! and bingo! All 24 pages successfully printed out, with no blank pages or bits missing. Thank-you so much for your hard work in sorting this out, Gadget - I realise this has taken up quite a bit of your time and I do appreciate it. Jasper33 (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
You are quite welcome. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

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Mem pix alignment

Take a look at any of my USNA alumni articles. Notice the first picture on the right if each section is just slightly above the table. Is there a way to fix this? Thx. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I padded it by half an em. You may have to purge the page to see the change. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Mem sorting

What happened to the sorting in the Mem template? It’s disappeared from everywhere. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Ummm... I deleted the sortable class from {{Mem/a2start}} somehow when I fixed the padding and did some cleanup. Fixed now. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for promptness. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:49, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Escouts

Hi Gadget. Would i still be able to take you up on the offer to make the escouts article userfied? I understand why it was deleted and its just purely so that i can have access to some of the content that was written. Thanks for your help and welcoming! much appreciated! --Philb28 (talk) 00:07, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

If you just want the content, DiverScout copied it to ScoutWiki at http://en.scoutwiki.org/Escouts. If you want to continue to work on it here, let me know. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I think there was some changes made after that, i am right in thinking that if its userfied it will just be added to my profile aren't I? and not actually on the main site right? Thanks once again. --Philb28 (talk) 22:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Done. Now at User:Philb28/Escouts. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:27, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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USNA template

See email on this. Then {{USNALists}}. Can you improve it? I don't like the way the image with its white background looks with the blue banner background. Can you do anything with that? Overall, how'd MBK004 and I do? — Rlevse • Talk • 00:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

We need a PNG or SVG version with transparent background. Let me look around. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 02:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool, but did you notice that file is mis-named, it says "Military Academy" not "Naval" though the logo is right. I can fix it when I get home. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:16, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Frack. Yes- please fix it. You may want to update other uses after you fix the name. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
All fixed. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:52, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Please fis File:United States Military Academy insignia.png as well. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Sure, done. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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My understanding of the images pertaining to the boy scouts of america is that they are all free for use as long as they adhere to the standards of the program. If there is another way they should be marked as far as copyrights go I'd be glad to change it Infero Veritas (talk) 18:20, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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File:WAGGGS-standard.png

Ed, I don't know how to fix your coding, but there should be 3 Gs, so WAGGGS. I tried to fix it in one image you tagged and it broke the category, so it should be six capital letters, with the improper 5 as a redirect. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ooops. Fixed it in {{Non-free Scout logo}}. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 09:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

USMA alum template

Can you fix the image here to get rid of the white background: Template:USMALists? And change the background color to some good Army-type color? There will be many more lists under this, astronauts is not created yet, MBK004 will do that. Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Note that File:U.S. Military Academy COA.png had been up for deletion on Commons for some time. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 10:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the templates, even Army ones, related to this seem to be blue too. What do you think on the color? — Rlevse • Talk • 04:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
That color is the default. I changed it to gray by adding |titlestyle = background:lightgray;. See web colors for more possible colors. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 10:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
I like it. Goes with WP gray and blends with the blues well. Good pic too. Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Tks for pointing out the proposed deletion, I missed that. I went and opposed as it appears misguided. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Tanner

How'd we miss Tanner ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 12:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I dunno. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:36, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

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PD review

See commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#PD_review. Care to make a template for me based on the flickr review one? ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 01:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I will have to get my head into the template— is is calling some stuff I am not familiar with at the moment. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 01:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
It probably doesn't have to be that complicated. A simple template may work, perhaps with some sort of PD logo on it. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

List of Order of the Arrow national events

Please take a look at the additions and changes to List of Order of the Arrow national events and let me know what you think.Naraht (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments on the article talk page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 19:56, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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List and periods

Note modern standard is to not put a period (final stop) at the end of a FL list items, so I am rm'ing them from the Eagles list. I was advised to do this. The FL people are trying to raise there standard and have more standardizations among their lists. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:18, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

See talk on my talk page too, and Dabomb87's. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Class year

Can you add "Class" back to the mem alum template? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Done, but ugly. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 23:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll ask about it. Maybe just "Class" will work. Wait til I get feedback from the list people. Just please do whatever The Rambling Man wants to do. Tks much. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
"Class year" would be fine (no need to capitalise the year). Don't see why it's ugly either. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:37, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

PD review

See commons:Category:Flickr review needed, commons template "flickrreview", and posts today by Lar and I at commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#PD_review. Are you interested in helping? — Rlevse • Talk • 22:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

List of United States Military Academy alumni (Superintendents)

This is a problem. It by all rights should be in order they were Supe but alum doesn't allow for this. Any ideas? I just filed USAFA at FLC too (Coasties and Merchant Marine don't have enough notable for a list, so I put them in their academy articles). — Rlevse • Talk • 01:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

PS, we can cut the rank and birth/death column. Not sure if we want to keep the term columns. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I've taken a stab at this; see R's request on my talk page and;

Feel free to smack things along.

Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Jack took care of this, hope that's okay. Feel free to look over though. Many thanks to both of you! — Rlevse • Talk • 12:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
nb: I didn't add it to {{Mem/doc}} — You may well prefer a name other than 's' to make this more general and maybe a non-sorting version. I started from the Alumni one and did a course change based on looking as the a2start/a2 pair. Cheers, Jack Merridew 12:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I will fix the doc in a bit. 's' is fine: I prefer to keep it short and simple; we don't have to have sortable and non-sortable versions, just ones we use. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Great. I'll keep an eye on this family of pages and templates. Let me know if I can help further. Pleased to make your acquaintance. Cheers, Jack Merridew 10:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
nb: I tweaked this; done it before, too. Cheers, Jack Merridew 11:16, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Heh. Haven't looked at that bit in ages. I forget where I ripped it from in the first place. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

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2 million

Any news on 2 millionth Eagle? I have not seen anything official. — Rlevse • Talk • 12:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

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Gadget, pls read, it's probably worth doing and you probably have the skill to automate it. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

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Scouting in Belarus

I have twice today added new content for this article, so the images are justified, and twice they have have again been removed. Please look over my new edits and see what possibly I am missing. I am trying to be accomodating and keep being met with bad faith. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm also trying to be accomodating, but keep being accused of everything under the sun. Seeing as Chris seems to have decided that you are worthy of some respect, could you please deal with the issue? J Milburn (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Urgent help

I tried your suggestion about NOEDITSECTION, but now the sections within a talkpage with the template also recieve the NOEDITSECTION magic word. Any more suggestions? ZooFari 01:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on the Wally Cox picture

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Please have a look here. In the beginning of that section I asked about talk namespaces, and you said that the MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references was updated recently. But you forgot to mention that that update left only the main article namespace, which is a lot less than excluding talk namespaces. So now I propose to add a few more namespaces. Debresser (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

File:Girl Guides Association of Jamaica Golden Jubilee 1965.jpg

Thanks, it was actually File:Girl Guides Association of Jamaica Golden Jubilee 1965.png that was ORFUD Skier Dude (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

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I'm happy to award you this Barnstar for your improvements to reference errors messages, the way they work, and the information about them. Keep up the good work! Debresser (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Took me a bit to understand namespace detection, but it was worth it. --Gadget850 (talk) 13:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction/doc

This template document page needs both a {{Reflist}} and a <references/> tag to show all references. I wouldn't have though of it, but Wuhwuzdat fixed it. Do you know why this is, and how it can be fixed? Debresser (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Gah. My first inclination is to rip the page apart and clean it up. It is full of commented spaces, useless <nowiki> and <code> tags and crap like four successive <small> tags. Let me look at this in a bit. --Gadget850 (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
{{Reflist}} does not work on this page at all. You only need <references />. --Gadget850 (talk) 15:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect, but your are mistaken. Comparing the result of the last two diffs, you'll notice that with the {{Reflist}} you have also removed the other two references. Debresser (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed it!! There was another {{Reflist}} somewhere inside. I removed it, and made some minor fixes along the way. Debresser (talk) 17:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Frack. That's what I get for rushing something that complex. Good find. --Gadget850 (talk) 18:07, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

List of judicial appointments made by Dwight D. Eisenhower

Do you have any idea why this page is showing an Hidden categories: Pages with incorrect ref formatting error? Debresser (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. there was a </ref> tag missing. Clearly some uncarefull deletion. Sorry for bothering you. Did take a long time to find. Debresser (talk) 17:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Formatting line breaks

I can see why that would be necessary on a page with XHTML extention, where the slash would be needed to make the code valid. But I have never seen that extention used on Wikipedia pages. If another website had their own XHTML page which transcluded a page from Wikipedia, I could see the necessity. But considering existing guidelines use <br> in their examples, it looks like some areas of WP have one idea about which external standards we should support, and other areas have other ideas. Anyway, thanks for the info. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 15:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses XHTML: look at the source code for any Wikipedia page and you will see that the doctype is "XHTML 1.0 Transitional". Look at the source for your user page and look at the box with the examples of breaks: all of them are converted to <br />. --Gadget850 (talk) 16:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Mem for Eagles

Can you add {{mem/estart}} and {{mem/e}} to the documentation at Template:Mem? I want to take a break from the alumni lists to tablize the Eagle list but I can't find what fields are different from the other mem subtemplates. Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It needs more work. The list currently shows deceased— do we show it on the template or scrap it? Do we want DESA to show the icon, the year or both? What if we don't know the year they made Eagle? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I'd vote for: deceased being shown as a column with a checkmark or asterisk, show DESA with the icon but not year (we don't know most of them), for the year they made Eagle - let's show it, I can get them of the DESA list National sends me. If I can help with the template, let me know. I can for sure help with the list itself. Let me know when it's ready. — Rlevse • Talk • 13:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

How about this; italics is deceased.

Name Eagle Scout Awards Notability References
Joe Scout † 1924 Distinguished Eagle Scout Award
Bobby Scout 1973
Works for me. I'll work on updating the list. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, can you make it sortable on last name and Eagle year? We can then combine it into one table vice a table for each letter of the alphabet. What do you think? — Rlevse • Talk • 20:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
That will be one huge table; you will have to edit the entire table to add one entry. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
So how to break it up? Still would like sortable. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:19, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Sortable done. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 00:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Cool. We don't break the name into first and last? — Rlevse • Talk • 00:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

DESA icon displays even if you put "no" there. I started with "Z". If I don't know their precise year, I put something like 1931-32. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Leave it blank. It really just look to see if it is set to anything. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
See Talk:List_of_Eagle_Scouts_(Boy_Scouts_of_America)#Tableizing — Rlevse • Talk • 02:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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Not centered

The refs in the ref column are not centering. They left-align. Can you center them? I'm updating the format of the listees to be more consistent and in align with what I've learned doing all those alumni lists. I've even found a couple who were not DESA when listed but now are. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Archiving

I think we should leave the last five or so subjects on the talk page, if they are not really old (like two months). After all, the help talk page is a resource of information. Debresser (talk) 17:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Undid. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:10, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm not used to people agreeing so easily to my opinions. I'm married, you see. :) Debresser (talk) 18:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Me too. Leaving older conversations often means that someone will add irrelevant stuff and that the page gets long and messy, so I do prefer to keep the talk cleaned up after a discussion is finished. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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War on Terrorism/campaignbox

Hi, I see that you commented on the talkpage of the above article/subpage. User:Publicus has now added the info directly to the War on Terrorism article so the page is now redundant. They also added an AfD tag (without completing the nom) but I think it may qualify under WP:CSD#G6 as non-controversial maintenance and/or housekeeping. Would you consider deleting it as you are already aware of the circumstances (rather than tagging it and having to explain to an admin not aware of its history or taking it to a XfD)?. regards, ascidian | talk-to-me 20:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. I rather forgot about this. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, ascidian | talk-to-me 21:20, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Categories

Please have a look at User_talk:Ms2ger#Cite_errors.2FTestcases2_cat. It will be a little hard for you to understand what we're talking about, but I hope that when you catch on, you'll be able to provide a solution. He can always clean it up later. I understand it is not a world-shockig problem, but it is always an challenge to solve a problem that seems to defy your best efforts. Let's use his talk page as the central place of discussion. Debresser (talk) 00:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I've explained myself at length there, and I have also found the solution. But I'm not an admin, so I'm waiting for you to make the change (if you agree with me, of course). Debresser (talk) 00:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I see you figured out the issue. I will look at this tomorrow. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Yesterday was a busy day:
  1. 675 files with incorrect protection template fixed (in a transcluded template in 1 step with help from an admin)
  2. 70 articles with template loops fixed (in a transcluded template after a lot of searching)
  3. this riddle here solved to great satisfaction (waiting for you as the admin)
  4. an interesting update to {{Templaterefsection}} building in additional precaution
  5. created monthly maintenance categories for the first time, to prevent incorrect date parameter errors (was very successfull, still collecting more categories here)
  6. first trivial cleanup in redlinked categories

You didn't forget about this? Debresser (talk) 10:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I though you had figured this out. The messages include [[Category:Wikipedia pages with broken references|{{PAGENAME}}]]. The {{PAGENAME}} sorts by the page name without the namespace. If we remove it, every template in the category will be under T. The errors on the page invoke this category first, so adding it to the page does not work. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:34, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
That is precisely what I had figured out. I want you to remove it! First of all, thatt will allow us to sort the articles we want under "!", and second, in this specific case it would be convenient to have all templates together under "T", to make it easier to locate them in the list on the category page (don't forget I am keeping my promise to take care of all templates here). Debresser (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I would rather put templates in a subcategory. Easy to do. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
1. Remember that there are two reasons to remove the pagename in this case. Your solution doesn't allow for putting pages where we want them. 2. That would be overcategorisation. Debresser (talk) 20:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC) You're here? Debresser (talk) 01:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

A concern

I have reason to believe that a newly created account has been created by the same person who created a vandalism-only account. The vandalism-only was blocked, which was User:robert.lambton. The new account, which I have reason to believe was created by the same person using the same IP adress, is user:Ilovejoy. You are free to do whatever you feel appropriate in response to this situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWizarrd123 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

List of United States Military Academy alumni (Superintendents)

PLease help. See Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of United States Military Academy alumni (Superintendents)/archive1. What's The Rambling Man mean here re try the sort template, I'm afraid I don't get it:

    • # col doesn't sort correctly.
Because of the acting dude. USMA considers 1 and 2, though the same person, to be two assignments. Not sure what can be done here. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Have a look at the {{sort}} template. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Nor does Start or End.
Because someone added month and day, removed. Not sure what can be done on the incumbent. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Again, try the {{sort}} template. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

— Rlevse • Talk • 02:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

RM fixed the first problem. Let me look at the other. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Done. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
ThANKS! — Rlevse • Talk • 02:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

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I had a look at {{Category unsourced}} and {{Category relevant?}}. They started out almost the same, but {{Category unsourced}} had been updated a few times. I updated {{Category relevant?}} along the same lines. I created documentation pages for both and moved the information that was previously on the template pages as a comment to those documentation pages. In the process I made them a little more specific. Likewise I reworked the category page of Category:Articles with unsourced categories accordingly. In general I tried to do my usual best, without making any big changes. In the process I made a minor change to Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies/Category unsourced as well. I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look at things, just to make sure I didn't do anything stupid. I checked, of course, that the templates are working the way they should. I meant more in the doc pages. Debresser (talk) 19:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

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Just so you know, I added code to Common.js to set the line-height to normal when printing on IE. If you hear any (non-)results, then drop a line, so that we can document it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks- seems to work properly. I have updated Help:Printable. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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Have you noticed my question on Category_talk:Pages_with_broken_reference_names#Three_questions, last line? Debresser (talk) 21:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I've posted on Template_talk:Citation#Sorting_of_category_articles, but no reactions. I feel nobody probably uderstood what it's about. You don't want to edit that template? Since it doesn't change the template as such, just the category page, I see no problem here. I've done bolder things. :) Debresser (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Printing issues - thanks

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Question

How do you put user boxes on your user page?Baileyf07 (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hazarding a guess, I added {{User Vermont}} to your user page as a start. Browse through Wikipedia:Userboxes#Gallery and pick and interest. For example: Wikipedia:Userboxes/Sports will list sport-related boxes; simply copy the code show to you user page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding: "Demands for quality of pictures?"

Thanks for helping at the Help disk.
I have written in the section Wikipedia:Help desk#Demands for quality of pictures? at the Help desk. I hope to receive your comment. Thank you so much. Fanoftheworld (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I will reply there to keep the discussion coherent. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Request

I requested a feature on Template_talk:Userbox#Request_left.2Fright. I am sure it is uncontroversial. Updating the doc page, I'll do afterwards. Could you do the update? Debresser (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I see. Didn't think it would work, with that build in "float|left". Could you perhaps have a look at the top of my talkpage? I want the archives box on the right. The "my work" box underneath it, and the TOC on the left side begining at the top. But I can't figure it out. Debresser (talk) 02:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Tried it with a table as well. Why that didn't work I don't know. But I would really prefer a solution without a table. Debresser (talk) 03:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank very much for trying to help me on my talk page. It worked in the end with a table. When thinking about it on the way home, I realised, I had just forgotten something when making that table. Now I'm trying to find the name of the background color of talk pages (and Wikipedia, help and category pages, which are all the same). Or is there a choice "transparent"? Debresser (talk) 11:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

WP article background is #F8FCFF  . ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. If you care, in the end I asked on that talk page if somebody could fix the strange behavior when the float= center is used. Don't think it should be hard. Debresser (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
See there for the answer. Debresser (talk) 01:04, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

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The mem template looks like an interesting one, but ultimately one which I believe will confuse me. I was hoping for something a tad more simplistic. Do you think that the percentage idea is possible to implement tech-wise? (i.e. is this feature available on other websites/wikis? Cheers. (I apologise for these dull questions. I am not normally this dull!). Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 00:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The basic problem is that those images are not connected to the table. If you make them smaller, then they will stack on the right side as desired, until you make your browser window smaller and they will pop up again.
Try using {{ImageStackRight}} like this:
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Help desk

(Minor point.) You've suggested that someone's account is not yet autoconfirmed because it was created on 29th May. Is this some sort of error, given that it is a date in the future, or am I missing something here? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 14:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Frack- why did they put the 9 beside the 0? Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Editnotices

Thanks for helping with my editnotices request. I would leave a note on the talk page, per your request; however, I'm afraid that it won't be that helpful, so I'll just comment here. I had imagined that an editnotice was the result of some sort of template that could be put at the top of a page — so it's really created by a big huge template with subpages? Because Wikipedia:Editnotice said that I could affect entire namespaces by changing something, I didn't want to be bold and mess up something temporarily. If I understand rightly, the page could benefit from a simple statement that explains that an editnotice is created by the template rather than being placed on the page, and a simple reminder that one can create an editnotice for a specific page without running the risk of modifying entire namespaces. However, the most confusing part was the coding just under "Other namespaces" — I assumed that this meant that I was supposed to place the coding text on an article somewhere. Perhaps this could be converted into code or a template link from which someone could make the edit, somewhat like how the Graphics Lab has a link one can click to file a new image-modification request?

I hope that this is helpful; please ask me if my words are unclear. I've been confused enough by this process that I don't know how well I can explain it :-) Nyttend (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Give me a bit— the way this works just changed and I need to figure it out. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
By the by, I've made a small change to yours. :) Amalthea 14:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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I'll soon be getting several of these off your hands as replacements are being made. I just got made a trusted user at Commons but have no idea how to work the bot. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Which images? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hi, you weighed in on the "display time since last edit on article" discussion at the Village pump. I have now started a straw poll on the subject at WP:Village pump (proposals)#Straw poll. Your opinion would be appreciated. --Cybercobra (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

On WP:SCOUT, the links under general info that link to other sections on WP:SCOUT, such as newest articles, no longer work. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Think I fixed the links at {{WPScouting Navigation}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Seem to be okay now. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:TROUT

A trouting!? Hey, I worked hard on that! I even included educational wikilinks and everything. And a trout isn't even a musteloid... Harumph. I will fight this injustice until my dying breath. Wolverines! --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I could have been gentler and just used a minnow. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Aye, Skipper, I'll graciously acknowledge that I probably deserved a minnowing. And, believe it or not, something useful actually resulted from this: [2], so all's well that ends well. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Guess I can't weasel out of that one! ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:16, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

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What if we find non-free images on Commons, that really should only be at en:Wiki? Is there a bot or a template that will move them out of Commons but retain the image elsewhere? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Randy is an admin on Commons- he should know that. We do have some images on the work list that need to be moved. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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I'll have the start of this ready in a few minutes, but I will add more from different places I look later, is that okay? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Gadget850/Scout image requests Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
BTW: my upload toolbox is at User:Gadget850/bsi. I am fiddling with this as I go. If you want to suppress the display of MediaWiki:Uploadtext on uploads, I can give you the secret. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
This may be useful: [3] [4]

You are invited to participate in an interesting discussion at Wikipedia talk:Image use policy#File:Man Utd FC .svg. Your comments & suggestions are very much appeciated Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 20:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America)

Hi. I know this is from a long time ago, and is really a minor matter, but I like the details to be straightened out. :) I noticed that you were the nominator of List of Eagle Scouts (Boy Scouts of America), a featured list. Do you think that Rlevse (talk · contribs) should be counted as a co-nominator {i.e. get credit for the list on WP:WBFLN)? He has by far made the most edits to the page, and it seems he helped a lot with referencing. Regards, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Sure. He recently did a lot of work recently updating it to table format, and has maintained it as much as I have. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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Jamboree image on White Stag article

Always trusting in your wisdom and experience, help me understand your rationale for removing the image of the 4th World Jamboree patch from White Stag Leadership Development Program. The image of the white stag on the patch is very relevant to explaining the current logo used by the organization 76 years later. While the patch is shown in the article about the Jamboree. that article is not linked as a See or More reference, reducing the likelihood that visitors will see the patch and understand the intimate relationship between the Jamboree, Bela Banathy, and White Stag. This article also lacks images to lighten up the text. Thanks. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Images should be directly relevant to the text; i.e. there should be significant content that connects the article to the image. Non-free images must be used judiciously; File:4th World Scout Jamboree.png‎ is the logo of the event, thus inherently connected to the Jamboree. There is no text within White Stag Leadership Development Program that explicitly connects the jamboree emblem to the subject of a leadership program, except in the infobox caption, where the jamboree is linked. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary, the program's use of the white stag based on the patch is directly quoted. The article quotes Banathy: "At the time of the initiation of this leadership developmental process a stylized emblem of a white stag was designed as the program symbol. This symbol was used as the badge of the Fourth World Jamboree held in Hungary." What could be more significant than a quote from the founder attributing the source of the program's symbol to the Jamboree patch? I have emphasized the symbol's origin in the 1933 Jamboree patch in a couple of other locations and will re-add the patch unless you have other objections. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 09:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Eldred

Re Arthur Rose Eldred and Talk:Arthur Rose Eldred/GA1. I'm stuck expanding the lead. Can you help? — Rlevse • Talk • 23:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

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Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gadget850/Technology_bibliography

I was going to change it myself but I was not sure how. So I figured this would be the place to tell you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivtv (talk • contribs) 22:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks like I was testing the sandbox version of {{userpage}}. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:10, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

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Ugly error message

Did you see the error message in Employee Free Choice Act. I have seen a lot of them lately. It looks ugly. Isn't that the usual Category:Pages with broken reference names that somehow went very ugly? Debresser (talk) 10:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

My bad. I reverted the change to [[MediaWiki:Cite error references no text]. We just can't link the help page from that message. You probably may have to purge to update the error message. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Debresser (talk) 14:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Gold epaulets

I noticed you reverted my edit on red, white and blue epaulets. What were they used for? Purplebackpack89 (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I have several editions of the Insignia Guide, and these are not mentioned (see my Gadget850/Scouting bibliography). I have seen all sorts of spoof/custom shoulder loops and a variety of odd wear— Tiger Cub leaders wearing Varsity Scout orange loops with a tiger paw stencil, members of troop and crew wearing the Boy Scout uniform with both red and green loops. A quick search shows that the Boy Scout Store carries RWB loops, and here is another vendor with loops designating position. There are all sorts of odd and wonderful spoof or just plain fantasy items waiting for your money. I have a webmaster patch, but I wear it as a temporary just for fun when I attend district committee meetings, but it is not official (although the youth webmaster position comes out next year). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There's a webmaster patch? That's new! Link? Purplebackpack89 (talk) 15:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Unofficial patches have been available for ages.[5] Troop webmaster and Leave No Trace trainer have been announced for 2010,[6] and ScoutStuff has the new webmaster emblem.[7] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Pee-Wee Harris

I just wrote an article on him. Could you check it out? Purplebackpack89 (talk) 02:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Did a bit of formatting, but it needs a lot of expansion. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Updates

I think I have most, maybe all, the pages that need the new Project class, there's only one portal class page. But for Disambig, do we have any Scout Disambig pages? And on our WP:SCOUT nav box, "Project Organization\Coordinaters" doesn't go anywhere. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Scout, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. Coordinators link fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 03:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Retagged. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI coords is a red link now. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
You don't seem to have any lists. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, we do, such as List of Scouts, but if we tag as a list, it'll do away with their quality rating so we need to decide what to do. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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wow, cool header, you're magic! :)

Hi brother, speaking of your magic, can you work it on recently uploaded File:Hawaiiana medal.JPG and File:Hawaiiana patch.JPG, removing the background and PNGifying them? Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

If you mean the editnotice that automagically appears, you can go to Wikipedia:Editnotice#User and user talk and click on create. You can use the default or copy mine from User talk:Gadget850/Editnotice. I might get a bit of time later to work the images. The badge is nice, but the medal is very subpar— do we need it, especially since they are the same design? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the medal is the more important of the two images, though I agree the rendering is not what it should be. I've got that on the wishlist for improvement, but having both is like showing the Eagle patch and ribbon-different enough and both important. Actually tried to get this badge myself back in the day. The patch is new, they didn't have it back then. They were both deleted from Commons, but reuploaded to en:WP; as the new editor is very keen to work on the article, I'd say keep both. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
That's killer, great work, I like that you combined them like Eagle, nice contrast, I hadn't been thinking that direction, and it's better than I'd hoped. Much respect and thanks. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I prefer to group emblems like this. If you have any idea of what the logo on the badge means, please provide a description in the alt text field. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Then should File:Fuji Scout.png and File:Fuji badge Japan scouting.png be likewise linked? I'm cool with that. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for what you did with them! Found all the text for Korea so my friend can get that one, thanks for your upgrade! The more we knock out, the better names they'll keep. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Aside note-You've been quiet, are you okay? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 05:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I've given offense. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 03:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry- someone posted after you and I didn't notice. I have just been busy. My main PC at home is dead and I don't have access to all of my graphics tools regularly. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, glad to hear it's not me *whew* Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 03:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, can you tell me, or point me to a source that can tell me, how you built the NYT free-PDF link in this edit? Is the link really free to all comers? (I can't tell because I'm a Times subscriber and it all looks free to me.) I use lots of Times links in cites and it would be great if WP readers could view the material, or at least some subset, free. Best regards, CliffC (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I have a free registration, and I noticed a simple difference in the links. See User:Gadget850/Tools#New York Times. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Odd category behavior

Go to Category:Scouting. Click the arrow beside Category:People associated with Scouting. Mouse over People associated with Scouting and its subcats. Notice the links to the subcats are different (if you click they are broken). Mouse over other cats and subcats of Scouting. They all work except for People associated with Scouting. But if you actually click on People associated with Scouting and mouse over the subcats, the links are correct. Can you fix this? — Rlevse • Talk • 20:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. Try purging. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I did. It does it in FF and IE. And it only does this on the secure server (do you use that) and only on this one subcat. When you mouse over the links in that cat/subcat on the secure server, watch the path that comes up in the lower left of the browser, you'll see the problem. Very odd. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Copied to VP-Tech. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Coronado Area Council

A while back, I had talked to you about creating an article for this council separate from Scouting in Kansas. I started working on it, but seemed to hit dead ends everywhere when it came to finding in-depth information and references. I just went ahead and split it off as a stub, hoping that with more editors would come more expansion. Any pointers you could give me on where to take the article from here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ks0stm (T•C) 02:06, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I updated the rationale for File:Coronado Area Council CSP.png, summarized the section in Scouting in Kansas and did some copyediting in the article. It is just a matter of filling in the blanks and adding citations. Find some newspaper articles or other sources. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 03:59, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Hello,

I asked this question to user:Rlevse and he suggested asking it you

There seems to be a little problem with this file. I tried uploading an updated version of it yesterday but it didn't make a new preview. Tried it again today but it still shows the previous version. What can be done about it? Should I upload it (yet) again? Could you take a look at it?

If possible, could you delete the last two updates (which didn't make a preview) prior to the one uploaded today for I try to avoid making a bunch of overwrites which looks rather messy in my opinion.

Thanks

Rapturerider (talk) 13:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Th last two look different and they have different sizes. The preview is captioned as"3,130 × 1,977 pixels, file size: 4.34 MB, MIME type: image/jpeg", which matches the last upload. Try purging your cache per Wikipedia:Purge. I am not an admin on Commons, so I can't delete files. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)


Tried it but it still doesn't make a new preview. Will ask someone else. Thanks.

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Just to let you know that the problem has been solved.

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Thanks for the Siberian Eagle!

Most cool, I love stuff like that! I see you've been back to busy here, did you get your PC fixed? :) If so, I just got the last image to improve the Scouting in Australian states pages, but need your help with the backgrounding. (if/when you can) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Got my main PC recovered from a nasty virus. Let me know on the images. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Sent you a chunk, and thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Didja gettum? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Just got a better version of File:-universalsyriacscout.png for clean up, please help! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

merges of ... branch of Girlguiding UK

Can an admin do this for us since the work histories can now be preserved? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Articles with broken citations

Have there been any changes in the MediaWiki sorting into Category:Articles with broken citations? I thought I am missing something there. I have no idea where to look, so I ask you. Debresser (talk) 10:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw it is actually Template:Broken ref sorting there. And the changes have been reverted. Still, I thought I am missing a few pages. Debresser (talk) 11:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Rich has changed the default sorting for templates etc. in MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references > Category:Pages with missing references list and MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references > Category:Pages with missing references list to "τ", for a good reason (just something technical) he explained to me elsewhere. I have no problem at all with his attempt to do the same in Template:Broken ref, which you reverted, even though the same reason doesn't (at present) apply here. Debresser (talk) 12:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Is there anything that needs fixing? He had also added user pages to Category:Pages with missing references list, which we were not going to maintain. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I noticed he added userpages, and I had filed my protests on his talkpage already. Nothing to fix in Template:Broken ref. I just expressed my opinion that I am not opposed to changing to "τ".
I saw on Template:Cite web that it is Template:Citation error sorting in Category:Articles with broken citations. And nothing has been changed there. So it must have been my imagination. I wouldn't mind adding categories, help pages and templatesthere as well. I am anyway the only one fixing them. Would you do the honors? I'd make the edit myself, but the page is editprotected. While you're at it, could you wrap the template in <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags, please? Debresser (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

<includeonly><span class="error">Error: {{{1|an error occurred}}} when using {{#if:{{{2|}}}|{{tl|{{{2}}}}}|citation template}}</span>{{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}||Template|Help|Category=[[Category:Articles with broken citations]]|}}</includeonly><noinclude>{{template doc}}</noinclude>

Debresser (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh— I wasn't familiar with that template, but I can see more places where it should be used. Put the request on the talk page for more visibility. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Just did that. Now will you do it? :) Debresser (talk) 13:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Give it a day for someone to object, then I will do it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Done. Debresser (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I see Martin went ahead and did it. These requests should always be made in a transparent manner. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Request

Is there something you could add to User:Debresser/My_work_on_Wikipedia#Cite_errors? Debresser (talk) 13:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it would work better as a table, which I started. We should update this at Help:Cite errors#Namespaces and categories. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
You made a few mistakes in that table, didn't you? Debresser (talk) 18:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Ooops- got the category stuck in the table; got interrupted but finished what you had listed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd still say you have a mistake in the first line. Two even. Debresser (talk) 18:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Fixed ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Are there any other that you could add? When you're done, you can delete my primitive list and leave just your table. And sign, please. Credit has to go, where credit has to go. :) Debresser (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You forgot to sign... Debresser (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

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In continuation of our discusion on Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Proposal_.28whitelines.29. Perhaps you can get that CSS improved, and we can close the discussion as "drop that requirement"? Debresser (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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Archiveurl

I noticed as of late, that when in Cite web an archivedate is specified without an archiveurl, the error message is "no url specified" instead of "no archiveurl specified" which I seem to remember. Debresser (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

It is in {{citation/core}}:
    |{{#if:{{{ArchiveDate|}}}|{{{Sep|,}}} {{#ifeq:{{{Sep}}}|.|A|a}}rchived on {{{ArchiveDate}}}; {{citation error|no {{para|url}} specified}}}}
Changed in this diff. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:02, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Wasn't such a good change, if you ask me. Debresser (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, what's up with Asbox and whitelines? (see my quesion a little higher on this page) Debresser (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

See Template talk:Citation/core#Error messages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Standarisation

What do you say we change "!" in {{Broken ref}} to "τ"? Or more precisely τ{{PAGENAME}}. Then we can change MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references and MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references to something like all the others, namely {{broken ref|msg=There are {{tag|ref|open}} tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{tag|references|single}} tag.|cat=Pages with missing references list}}. The two blocks in Template:Broken_ref/doc#Messages could then be merged.

Advantages:

  1. All MediaWiki messages are similar, and work through one and the same template. With all the advantages that brings!
  2. All templates sort to "τ", which is the more generally accepted sortkey for templates.
  3. There is an elegance in the unification of the text of all MediaWiki messages, the fact that they all work through the same template, and sort the same way. Debresser (talk) 21:09, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks good, but move this to the cite error talk page for transparency. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Done, see Help_talk:Cite_errors#Standarisation. Debresser (talk) 23:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

That was fast. And well done. Apart from a mistake in MediaWiki:Cite error group refs without references. What about the group parameter? Debresser (talk) 11:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah— thanks for seeing that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

I just listed this at FAC. Input appreciated. The nom is here. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I've clarified the Ho-Chunk confusion. Pls look it over and see if you can support. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
NP. Hybrid uses harvbn for books and cite for others. Done with all three. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
The extra }} are still there, as in Lewis, James. "The Black Hawk War of 1832". Abraham Lincoln Digitization Project. Northern Illinois University. p. 2a. http://lincoln.lib.niu.edu/blackhawk/page2a.html. Retrieved 2009-08-22. }}, at least on my screen. I tried purging too. — Rlevse • Talk • 14:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:16, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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Order of the Arrow reverted by SmackBot

User:SmackBot reverted this edit, but I'm not sure why. That anonymous edit updated Clyde Mayer's title from "Director" to "Team Leader". I have not been able to find a citation for this yet, but it is correct.
— Delmont43 Talk — 03:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

No- I did the revert. It reverted back to a version by me where I reverted back several versions to one by SmackBot. Since there was no edit summary, it looked like vandalism. Looking at the last National Bulletin,[8] I see that Mayer is now the Team Leader, where he was listed as director in the previous bulletin. I have no clue what that means. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 03:14, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Where was the error message

Please see this edit, and notice that there was no error message on the page with the error category. Why is this? Debresser (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It did, but not in red, look closer at Old revision of The Milkmaid (Vermeer). {{Citation}} does it's own error checking, which is formatted differently. Template talk:Citation#Redundant error checking. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Frankly, there could be more error checking across the board. At a glance:
  • {{citation}} redundantly checks for |archiveurl= and |archivedate=
  • {{citation/core}} checks for |archiveurl= and |archivedate=
  • {{cite web}} check for |title= and |url=
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

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Almost

I saw your edit to MediaWiki:Cite error refs without references and your selfrevert. Actually, apart from the superfluous "}}" brackets, all was looking good. I think you should give it another try without them. Debresser (talk) 17:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I see what happened— I did not update that message today because I had one duplicated in the list. Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

User pages

I saw you added user pages to the detection of broken references. Why would you do that? 1. No other error message has user pages. 2. Lots of users have old version of articles in their userspace, and who cares what happens there? 3. I for one don't want them here. Was their any consensus/request to add them? Debresser (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

It was requested at Help talk:Cite errors#Broken refs on user pages and posted at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Unhiding reference errors on User-namespace pages for visibility. There is no category associated with user pages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I see. I don't think many user will be too happy about this... But as long as they are not added to the category, I have to admit it doesn't affect me. Debresser (talk) 21:02, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
That was my opinion as well. If it becomes a pain, I have a plan for opt-in. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Help

I can't understand what is wrong with those two references in William Stanley (Victorian inventor). Can you tell me? BTW, where can I read more about this new way of referencing? Debresser (talk) 16:54, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Working. -— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. With list-defined references, ever reference in the list must have a name. When the article was updated, two references were moved as one, and the second never got named. See Help:Footnotes and {{r}}. I will be doing some updates soon on the help page. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Please, brother...

My graphic friend is back and ready to go. I'm requesting that you top-shelf the existing list, so at least the new ones created have proper names. Please. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:37, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fairly well finished on documenting the update to the footnotes system. File moving is now enabled, so that will help. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Ya lost me, huh? Anyway that sounds like a yes. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
ps-no Internet at my apartment for a few days, checking from work. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:15, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
  • There is a new option for references— I have been heavily involved in documenting it and some new templates
  • Admins can now rename files
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:58, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
Cool, but I've been noticing after some (about half) of the renames, the image is now redlinked and somehow the image is broken. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Renames are sometimes broken if the name includes a non-ASCII character. Give me some examples. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I missed this earlier.

Stamps

Ed, I know you hate this, but she's back and starting steady. Much as you hate it, please work your magic on these two, and start knocking out the rest of that list. Please. She'll get to these soon and I want them to have proper names.

Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

File naming has been re-enabled, and both of these have already been renamed. There is a bot checking {{rename media}} and doing the work. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Are you saying that bot is renaming all Wikipedia images with the {{rename media}} tag on it? What I've seen thus far is bits-and-pieces, so I wasn't sure. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes. I don't know the order it is moving in, but it has done several batches. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I think it's still buggy. Some of the recently renamed ones show up as redlinks in articles. I'm trying to follow and update the name as best I can. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
And those redlinks don't automatically redirect to the image-see the main logo for the Mexican Scouts... I hope some system is in place so the renamed imaged don't get deleted because they're redlinked. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

e-mailed images

Also, those images I e-mailed you (Samoa, Indonesia, several Australias and so on), can you do them okay yet? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

GSA redirects

Hey Gadget, thanks for taking care of those redirects. I hope that my 16 September repair of two dozen or so of them didn't cause too much trouble, as I see that you were all over them the same day. BTW, did you just happen to be watching the help desk? -- ToET 17:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. When I first created some of them, I thought constructs like "Girls Scouts" was awkward, but it is what was published. Thankfully they changed it. As I said- the GSUSA is just not consistent in naming— some use council and others don't. There was one where I looked their business records up to verify their name because what was on their website just didn't look right. Anyway, I'm a regular at the HD. I don't know why— I've been doing tech support for 15 years.

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That is indeed so. But it doesn't show the difference in shortkey between articles and templates etc. But for me the main thing is that I wanted something small, that would tell me all I need to know in one glance. And that I have, while Help:Cite errors is way too big and crowded. Debresser (talk) 22:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Error message in Citation/core

Please see Template_talk:Citation/core#The_problem for my proposal. If you agree, please put an {{editprotected}} (or do it yourself), because there is hardly any input here. Debresser (talk) 23:56, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Cref and Scref

Saw your comments in Template talk:Cref. This might interest you.[9] ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you for cleaning up the St. George's University page. I really appreciate it! Doc2B (talk) 01:57, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:07, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

American Boy Scouts

What were you doing in American Boy Scouts? More to the point, why? I rolled your edits back, because they 1. created a references error 2. use that completely unwanted references format 3. use codes worse than the CIA. Debresser (talk) 13:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Reference error fixed. I'm not sure about your other points. Are you objecting to list-defined references? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:48, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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Universal Syriac Scout Association

Thank you for the fix! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 01:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you also for the renames! Any luck with fixing/uploading these?

Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Or is it better if I upload them and you fix them once I have? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I had just finished; here are the uploads:

Need to place in articles:

Fixed, thank you! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Placed:

Beautiful! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I can't do anything with the textured version of Gerakan Pramuka. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:43, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Too much background noise? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 09:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know where you got it, but someone took an image like File:Gerakan Pramuka.png and applied an embossing effect. There is no way to undo it and clean it up. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 09:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Ref Desk: Mid Day

Spot on with the answer. The question became crystal clear once I followed your referenced link. 68.245.14.176 (talk) 02:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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You contacted my account

Dont do that again please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.138.112 (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Clueless. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Did you ping his interweb? Don't FTP his IRC again! --King Öomie 14:25, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I fingered his grep? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:28, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
You'll put an eye out with that thing. COMPUTERS ARE HARD --King Öomie 14:34, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Please see

Please see Template_talk:Citation_error#Tweak wording. I proposed there taking your proposal even further. Even if you disagree with that, we both disagree in the case no citation template is specified, and I am sure you agree with me about the dot. Debresser (talk) 15:19, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I have an even better sandbox version at User:Debresser/Sandbox, see User:Debresser/Testcases. Because of an edit conflict you had posted before I posted mine, but I overwrote your text after I saw that my version is capable of doing more. Debresser (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I misunderstood. You want to keep the second parameter. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:05, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I wrote a version that could keep the second parameter. Upon consideration, I don't think it would hurt to keep it. If anybody would ever use it, that is another question. Debresser (talk) 16:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
If someone has to troubleshoot a problem such as a false error, it will point to the template generating the error. BTW: you can edit the sandbox version. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
When I started out, there was no sandbox yet, so I used mine. Debresser (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 Done Debresser (talk) 10:16, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

BTW, have you seen my progress on Template_talk:Citation/core#Specific_changes? Amalthea pointed out that my proposed changes still didn't have the desired effect, but today I finished that, see Template:Citation/testcases. If he agrees this is ok, I'll have to look into the compatibility with {{Cite web}}. Should be a piece of cake. Debresser (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Scouting in the United States Virgin Islands.jpg

I appreciate all your hard work on images and renaming, but you totally misnamed this one, please move it back, or choose a name that focuses on the USVI. You've left all geographic information out. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Renamed per request to reflect official logo of Scouting in the United States Virgin Islands. Even though the emblem is that of an event and not the logo of Scouting in the United States Virgin Islands (whatever that would be). ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 09:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
The logo of USVI Scouts is actually the middle fleur-de-lis with the islands and the marlin on it. If the text could be removed, it would be the emblem itself. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC) (in fact if you can do that, it's a great idea)
What is USVI Scouts? If you mean the Virgin Islands Council of the BSA, then here is their CSP.[10] Since VIC is now the only council without a website, it is difficult to tell if they have a separate logo. I don't see that you can tell that their logo is a marlin on a FdL when the badge is for a marlin tournament. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 10:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
It's what they're known for. What I meant by USVI Scouts is indeed the Virgin Islands Council of the BSA, which is a bear to type out, so you can excuse it. I have letterhead from them from the 1970s through 1989, the marlin is on there. Of course, it's 6000 miles away in storage... Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 01:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
BSA council logos are shown on their CSP. The 1965 S-1 shown at fistCSP and the current S-2 at ScoutStuff are the same to my eye. We just went through this "rip a logo from the CSP" with Tidewater Council and it got deleted. Unless there is a clear source of a separate logo, we should use the current CSP as we are doing in the other council articles. Images names like "Scouting in..." are not good, as they imply that the image is the sole logo of Scouting in that region. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

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Chaco

Thanks for the work there, Gadget; I'm just too busy to keep up. I'm wondering why you added a space before an emdash here, as WP:EMDASHes are unspaced on Wiki? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I converted a space to a non-breaking space; if it should not have been a space in the first place, then it is easy to fix. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:28, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
ah, OK, I was unsure ... yes, the space shouldn't have been there. Too much to keep up with :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
No problem. There is a rule about if there is a space, it should be a non-breaking space. I will have to look it up. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't take the time, I know what you're referring to, but in this case, there shouldn't have been a space to begin with. What a nice cleanup that article has gotten as a result of being on the mainpage! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:34, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Someone complained about the template problem over a the Help Desk, so I took the time to take a look. Saw your note about the reference issues— I have been doing a lot of work with the reference system of late, so I took a stab at it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:41, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Nice work; I've been so busy, I hadn't noticed the article mixed citation styles, or that some of the links were broken! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
It happens! ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Chaco Culture National Historical Park

If it was a national monument, it should not be listed at the top of the infobox. I see that it is included at the bottom, but it is misleading to include it written out at the top. Reywas92Talk 21:29, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied on original talk page to keep the discussion coherent. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Moving

Have you got any idea what ever happened with the change to {{Asbox}} that was discussed in Wikipedia_talk:Stub#Proposal_.28whitelines.29. Because I would like to get that discussion moving and the requirementremoved. Debresser (talk) 10:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

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File:KSA-LOGO-2006.jpg

I stumbled across File:KSA-LOGO-2006.jpg and tagged it as orphaned. If it can be legitimately used, please do so. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what it's for, it's either a rank on an event, would be my guess. But Malaysian ranks are football shaped, like the old BP ranks. Thank you for the headsup though, I appreciate your kindness. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 15:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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Bronze Wolf disagreement

I would rather have a straight graphic than a crooked photo, but you and Egel seem to want the photo, and I still don't get the point of contention. However, can you see what you can do about removing the background on the Bronze Wolf photo and work your magic like on File:Eagle Scout BSA.png? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

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File:Western Region (Boy Scouts of America).png

Chris— I noticed your request at User:LadyofHats/Scout image requests. Cleaning up a bad scan or converting an image to a better format is fine, but this one is a problem. You seem to want to take a good, clean, well sourced image and redraw it for aesthetic purposes. You have also uploaded File:LadyofHats Boy Scouts of America Western Region example.JPG with bogus licensing. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:22, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've moved this to your talkpage for a couple of reasons. I understand if and when you disagree with where I am going on particular images, but I would appreciate it if you would use less loaded language. You and I are friends, at least I consider us to be, and of late you've been terse with me. If I have made you angry or made more work for you, I am sorry. I am not the most understand-and-follow-every-jot-and-tittle guy, which is why I love Wikipedia, I can trust that others do and will help with what they know, as you do and have done. I did not consider the licensing to be "bogus", it was my notes all over the image, it's not like someone would actually use it for their own purposes or upload it to an article. "Improper" licensing is fine, "bogus" makes it sound like you think that I am a charlatan (even if you don't really feel that). I get enough of that from Jergen.
The second thing is, please go easy on me and my stuff the next few days, I have an emergency here that I must take care of, and I will be mortified to find I have extra work when I come back here because you've found more problems. The stuff you find, make me a list like I did with your image request list, I promise I will hit or explain my reasoning on each. Please, brother, lighten up for a few days.
Finally, did you get/understand my request on the Bronze Wolf photo? (that was the recent one you were most terse on) I maintain that a crooked photo is less encyclopedic than a straight graphic, once that graphic is recolored. But if you can fix the photo... anyway, trust your fellow Scout, I will get everything right, I am just slower than you are. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:17, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Chris— I waited a bit to reply to this so I could mull it over. I just don't see where my language is "loaded". If File:Western Region (Boy Scouts of America).png were a bad image and if there were no other source, then it could certainly be reworked. But is it s good, clear image. Your request to "please rotate Hawaii to correct, see File:Hawaii Islands2.png; replace the southeast "tail" on Alaska" changes the image from the creator's intent. The orientation of Hawaii in the original appears be consistent with several map projections; see File:United States (orthographic projection).svg for just one example. I don't know why the tail was left off of Alaska. But by requesting these changes, you are modifying an official logo.
And I do stand by the use of "bogus". The source for File:LadyofHats Boy Scouts of America Western Region example.JPG states "I created this work entirely by myself" when it is an obvious modification of the original logo. If you need a place to park images while they are being worked on, then open an account at ImageShack.
I am going to create a toolbox for you to help upload images with the proper rationale and other tools.
---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:14, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for your post on my talk page --Anthony 5432 (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC)Anthony 5432

You are welcome. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, I've replied to your query.174.3.102.6 (talk) 04:13, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Here's your new version. I don't really understand what you were tying to say: it doesn't really help. There are problems, such as all of the edit boxes not showing up, and the headings having {{{}}}.174.3.102.6 (talk) 05:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you please help me?174.3.102.6 (talk) 05:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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what is 1009 X 23? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony 5432 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

See X-23. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

GirlGuiding New Zealand

This one is backwards, apparently the round generic one is current. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 02:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like File:GirlGuiding New Zealand.png— round with trefoil and star —is current according to http://www.girlguidingnz.org.nz/. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 11:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
That's the one I mean.
So- File:GirlGuiding New Zealand.png is current and File:GirlGuiding New Zealand 2007-2008.png is historical? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Yep. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, Niger was uploaded on a PNG but left in JPG so now it renders as black. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks for catching that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for all your hard work! We're getting these nailed! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Same thing happened with the World Bureau arc. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Same thing with Scout Association of the West Indies.jpg
Had it open to rename, but got interrupted; fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Great, thank you! While we're on the topic of renames, I'm okay with it as I trust your judgement, but why are you removing the council/geographic locators when you change a BSA to png? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Because they really don't need them. Presuming you are referring to File:Mount McKinley Explorer Trek.png— do you think it will be confused? It's not like File:Gold Award (Boy Scouts of America).png and File:Gold Award (Girl Scouts of the USA).png. Names need to be informative and descriptive, but they need to be kept simple. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough. With that one I was thinking, probably several councils have sponsored such a trek, I know Long's Peak Council did in the 1950s. But the chances of another being uploaded... ;) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I probably over-disambiguated a lot of non-BSA images due to a lack of familiarity. Such as the images for The Scout Association districts, but I thought there might be some confusion with the BPSA or Girlguiding UK. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
That's actually a really safe idea, given when we started this, a lot of us didn't realize the impact the nonWOSM orgs have, I sure didn't. Hey, I am very much enjoying this nice dialogue, this is what I miss, thank you. Rough bad couple of weeks here. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I am really amazed at the amount of Scouting information we have amassed. Especially considering the few real editors that we have. Have you tried out the toolbox yet? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Nothing to upload, and kind of scared now. Aside from missing orgs, mostly girls, we're close to complete on world stuff, much better than info WOSM or WAGGGS has. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
File:Svenska Scoutrådet.jpg should be png, comes up black. Sorry about the WAGGGS flag, it wasn't a critique, I am so happy you are doing all this! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

File:Scouts of China 1930s.png

Please undo this one-part of the uniqueness of this image is the intentional watermarking in the background, else it is nearly undistinguishable from the present emblem. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

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Stepping down

See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting#Stepping_down_as_ScoutingWikiProject_Lead_Coordinator. There is a link there to the freshly updated members list. Can one of your tools be used to notify all those still active via their talk page? Hope to see you stand for the election. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

WP:Igor seems to have stalled, so I would just use AWB. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 02:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Could you do that? — Rlevse • Talk • 02:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the notices. I haven't used AWB in ages. — Rlevse • Talk • 17:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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File:Tuvalu Scout Association.png

This one I don't understand, you deleted the image to move the same image into it? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

This was one of the images that was originally JPG, I uploaded a new PNG version and deleted the JPG. So, I restored the old JPG file which was larger, converted it to PNG, straightened and cropped it and moved it over the new file. Sometimes it is better to go back to the original image.
I'm guessing you want it cropped to the logo and the background of the patch removed. I tried it, you will need to get someone with more expertise on images like that. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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Another didn't quite make it to png

File:5th World Scout Jamboree.jpg Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. File:5th World Scout Jamboree.png has a yellow bar— would that make it a subcamp 1 emblem per 5th World Scout Jamboree? File:5th World Scout Jamboree- Subcamp 3.png has a dark blue bar which would make it subcamp 5? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 19:10, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Don't know-all I've ever seen have a bar, but I have seen repros without. But the repros for 1947 have a plain fdl, where my torn, postwar cardpaper one has a dove, so I don't know how accurate the remakes are. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Scouting WikiProject

Just thought I'd let you know several people have mentioned your for the project head. Purplebackpack89 (talk) 16:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been monitoring. Election will be after the holidays, as it is usually slow this time of year. We don't do it during the northern summer, since a lot of our members are camping. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

rename media

Got through L, those I knew or could extrapolate, 5 am, teach today, going to bed. Rest tonight. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Finished those I knew. Know you don't like "xxx highest rank.ext" so I left those alone as I just don't know. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Does File:Association of Scouts of Ukraine.svg come up with a blue or clear background for you? In the file, it is clear, in the article, it shows blue for me. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Clear here and on commons, blue in the thumbnail and the article. Purging and clearing the cache did not fix it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Israel Greek Orthodox Scouts Association.png this one changed to the wrong org. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Scouting in Tokelau.jpg

Please restore this one. Not everyone informs the uploader of deletions, I guess. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 18:37, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. I thought I had, but looks like I forgot. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

File rename

You desire to rename File:Badge of Homenmen Armenian Scouting.png to File:Homenmen.png, but the latter is already in use by a redirect of another image. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:21, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I can do the move myself. I tagged it while discussing whether the other image should be part of the Scouting project so that I won't forget about it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Now it's empty, run with it! :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Hungarian Scouting in Romania

Thank youRokarudi 16:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokarudi (talk • contribs)

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Hungarian Scouting in Romania

Hi, I checked the image that you uploaded. The problem with this image is that the spelling of the text around the emblem is incorrect as the word 'Romániai' is mistakenly spelled as 'Romániái'. So, please fix this issue if you can. Thanks.RokarudiRokarudi 11:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Since the article title uses the English name, I have moved it to File:Hungarian Scout Association in Romania.png to match. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 12:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Good idea:) Rokarudi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokarudi (talk • contribs) 20:52, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I checked it again. The problem is not with the name of the file, but with the picture itself. If you look at 'your' picture closely, you will see that the text around the 'emblem' is mistaken as I wrote above. The original picture (the first one at the bottom) was correct but of bad quality. Then the 2nd, 3rd were already with mistake, the two of mine were with good text and the your last one is also wrong. So, this we can fix if we upload a picture with good text and without legal or tcehnical problems. kind regards:--Rokarudi 21:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokarudi (talk • contribs)

Ah! Fixed. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 21:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


Welcome

I trust that I am responding to Gadget850(Ed) in the correct place? Thank you for your civility and "Welcome". I fear that I am too much of an academic to be much use to your projects - and frankly perhaps too emotional! From my own POV I find too much uninformed and misleading, even unwarranted, chatter on the subject upon which I was writing. I would venture to say that very few persons have sat for days with the Analects in their hands! I have sought to be "objective" but "Commentaries" for me are POV unless they give both sides of the issue! I apologize for the"Redirects" - they obviously get the whole intellectual issue nowhere. I do understand that "enthusiasm" is important, but so is accuracy. I presume you have technologically "disposed" of my contribution. I at least gave it a try. I have frequently used Wiki for other information, very often finding useful background. I think however I will retire to my own library. This note is a bit long, but I thank you collegially. Best Greetings. "----Daykight----". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daykight (talk • contribs) 16:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)


random number sizing

Okay, now you've changed from the 280/140 system and are changing to strange numbers different than the original. Huh? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Now that I'm cropping these more closely, no. They are going to get resized anyway and it isn't worth fiddling with. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 15:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Double redirects

Heya, just wanted to drop a line. I see you've been moving some of the scouting .jpg images to .png file names. In some cases, that's creating a double redirect (for instance see File:Scout Association - Isle of Man 2.png, and that is breaking the image links (see Scouting on the Isle of Man). Also, since the links are broken, they're being reported as "orphaned", which, being non-free, quickly makes them eligible for deletion.

The solution is to fix the double redirects. So, you could edit Scouting on the Isle of Man to point directly to the .png, or you could fix the redirect to point to the .png instead of the .jpg. I've been fixing them when I come across them, but I'm worried I'll miss one (if I haven't already) and accidentally list it for deletion. --JaGatalk 17:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I have been converting and cleaning up the images and the rationales, Kintetsubuffalo has been fixing the article links and Xqbot has been automatically fixing the redirects. Most of the double redirects are from previous renames and the old redirect is now redundant. All are on my watchlist and I haven't seen any tagged as orphaned except for the few I tagged. I'm finished with the bulk of renames anyway— there are less than 100 PNG fles to cleanup and update rationales. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Ah, glad to hear it. I was concerned that the double redirects were slipping through the cracks. --JaGatalk 17:29, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Gidsen Suriname.png

I don't know what the user is looking for, but since you redid the licensing, maybe you do. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

You fixed it. I forgot to check the box for use. Out of the 1500 or so images I have touched in the last weeks, I am surprised I only missed one. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:01, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

File:Scouting in Kyrgyzstan.svg

Can you make the center white part transparent? It's supposed to be a ring. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 19:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Tag it for cleanup and I will come back to it. My Corel Draw disk is defective and I am waiting on a replacement. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 01:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for File:Palestinian Scout Association.png! Missed a spot of khaki, under the, um, armpit. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:12, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Protected areas of Quebec

Thank you for fixing the template. If I removed the section at the bottom, includeonly /includeonly, can I assume that it will not include a listed article in the parks category? I want to separate parks from nature reserves, since most of the reserves are not open to the public. They are both protected areas. I assume that if I remove that section, I can also remove the noinclude language. Thanks again. Jllm06 (talk) 18:02, 14 December 2009 (UTC) Sorry,

You would remove <includeonly>[[Category: Parks in Quebec]]</includeonly>, then add the appropriate category to the article by hand. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

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The image is PD, the design from 1915 and it has no present "trademark value", it is not used as a logo after 1973. --Egel Reaction? 15:22, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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File:Baden-Powell Scouts' Association Rover Scouts.gif

Did a small batch of uploads last night, please give them a look when you can, and Merry Christmas! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 11:51, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Not my best batch, but right now I have to upload them outside where the hotspot is, and it's cold. Sorry. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 06:40, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Last night was my last batch to torture you with for a while, anything else on my computer is not Wiki-worthy in their present states. I know you don't like Equatorial Guinea and Anguilla above, me neither really, but they stand a better chance of being improved if they are PNGified.
I hope you have a happy new year and that 2010 is great for you! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 12:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Those small images are beyond my ability. The others are done. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Anguilla and Argentina have been fixed somewhat, also File:Emirates Scout Association 2009.jpg, please give a gander. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 08:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Done. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 13:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 14:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Scouting in x state

I know you are not a fan of the "Scouting in x state" articles, but if we break them up, what happens when councils merge, their borders being more fluid, and what do we do with older state histories? Are 50 large or 300 plus smaller articles more manageable? Right now most of the states are in bad shape, crapmagnets for everyone's little bits of nonsense. What solution if any do you favor? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 10:19, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Except for legal incorporation purposes, BSA and GSUSA councils have never operated along state or other geopolitical lines. To speak of Scouting history in a particular state is misleading; it is the history of Scout councils in a state.
As sections in a state article naturally expand, they can be split into council articles. As councils merge and rename, the articles merge and rename. Look at Category:Local councils of the Girl Scouts of the USA and Category:Local councils of the Boy Scouts of America. The italicized links are redirects into state articles; we update those redirects with each merger.
See Great Lakes Council (Boy Scouts of America) and Seneca Waterways Council for the two latest mergers and renames. On the other hand Abraham Lincoln Council and Midnight Sun Council are still stubs within a state article and are nowhere ready to split. I don't expect to see 300 BSA council articles anytime soon, and we have only one GSUSA council article. I still believe that council articles should be formed before camp and lodge articles. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 14:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Okay, so status quo then? The reason I set them up as states as many people won't know the council names, but they do know the geographic area they want. The articles were originally "List of Councils in x", so it was a simple choice back when a choice had to be made not to hemmorhage the local history, as we were doing early on. I agree with you, just checking. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 01:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

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