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Recent block may involve socking

Zsteve21 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Blubabluba9990 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Thanks for your help in the past on fighting disruption in several articles I frequent. In a recent discussion at Talk:Amusement Today, you mentioned you blocked Zsteve21 for hasty splitting. Well, it appears that Blubabluba9990 has encountered many of the same issues. These two accounts were recently created in late August early September and appear to shadow each other to many of the same articles and talk pages, always agreeing/supporting split proposals as seen here. This appears to be either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry at this point. Thoughts on whether we should pursue this in a formal WP:SPI? --GoneIn60 (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoneIn60: I do suspect that Zsteve21 may be a returned editor with a prior block, however, Blubabluba9990 has been active since January (Not August) and I do not believe they are sockpuppets of each other and they appear to be in different time zones. I think they're simply working from the same maintenance pages. I could be wrong, but I looked pretty heavily at Zsteve21 and other than a railfan sockmaster that I ultimately decided was unrelated, I didn't identify any suspects. I have not checkusered either. -- ferret (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep, I totally missed that about Blubabluba9990. Think I'll leave this one alone, though it is still odd that their edits are occasionally a few hours or even minutes apart on the same pages. Thank you for taking the time to assess. Much appreciated. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:09, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoneIn60: They are only two hours apart time zone wise, but it is consistent. So they'll have a lot of activity overlap. -- ferret (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Zsteve is NOT my sockpuppet, don't worry. I wouldn't create a sockpuppet, since I have no reason to. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Any of this is coincidental. I do not know who Zsteve is, and he has just been supporting some of my proposals. I understand your suspicions, however I have no interest making sockpuppets and ballot stuffing my split proposals. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 16:20, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

And my account was created in 2019, not 2021. And I started editing in January of this year. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 16:21, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I had come here looking for a second opinion, and after taking a closer look, I agree it's likely just coincidence. --GoneIn60 (talk) 01:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

You should know that you shouldn't judge somebody before you get to know them. Your ironically hasty assumptions was based only on the fact that we have the same motive/thoughts. I condemn that doing something wrong will give you the right to accuse and rub your suspicions on us. zsteve21 (talk) 10:47, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Zsteve21: Then stop causing disruption. When ones activities are causing disruption, scrutiny follows. -- ferret (talk) 14:08, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ferret: I thought that I could transfer sections into a similar existing article without discussion, but I was wrong. Still, it doesn't reason or justify the way that you made me look like the antagonist, in terms of Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Somehow, throughout the history of being told my edits were being disruptive, nobody referred me to the Be careful section. I hope that you would be more lenient because there are new users who are learning and trying to contribute positively to Wikipedia. Of course though, I shouldn't have made that massive article to make a point. zsteve21 (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Zsteve21, as an FYI, you don't need to ping someone on their own talk page. They'll get a notification for every post. My apologies if my actions here seemed negative. I should have taken a closer look before posting here. I didn't file any formal complaints and have no plans to. If you have any further questions or comments for me, feel free to drop me a line on my talk page, so we can avoid cluttering up ferret's. Thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:11, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Zsteve21: I've never not assumed good faith. You can edit in good faith and still be disruptive. I've been very lenient, I had the option of indefinitely blocking you. Your talk page has seven warnings left by various editors that you did not acknowledge or ask for any clarification on. That no one linked you a particular guideline is irrelevant, when you're getting so many warnings from so many different people you should stop and ask what you're doing wrong if it's unclear. -- ferret (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned refs from Switch game list (B)

Thanks a lot for repairing those two orphaned refs today. I hadn't noticed them because I just assumed AnomieBOT would rescue all of the orphaned refs. Any idea why AnomieBOT didn't rescue those two? Kidburla (talk) 15:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kidburla: Misnamed in the original. They were broken prior to the split. You defined the refs with date only in the name, then reused them as sru-date. -- ferret (talk) 15:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) that's also why I didn't recover them -- couldn't find in the original article. Thanks for cleaning that up. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:22, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. You are quite correct. I have corrected those names in part 1 now too. Kidburla (talk) 15:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Replying to ferret...

I'm sorry that I made an accidental mistake. I pormise that I will not add or change info without citing a reliable source again. -- LeoBeyene

Dolley Madison

You left me a message regarding an editing dispute, although myself nor the editor I was working with are aware of a dispute. I made an edit to the Dolley Madison Wiki, they advised it should be changed, I revised the edit, and their response was: "The version you just added is much better, it conveys the same points without violating NPOV. Thank you." Then when I checked the Wiki, the changes I made were not there again, I asked that editor whether they removed it again - and they said: "That revert wasn't by me, you'd have to take it up with the user who made that revert." I saw no indication that there was another user making changes aside from me and that editor, so I assumed a computer error caused what I was seeing - then I re-added the already approved changes (the ones that they had just said were fine but for some reason were no longer showing).

But you then sent me a message that I was engaging in disruptive editing, to work directly with the editor on their page about it (which we already had done), and that, "If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Dolley Madison, you may be blocked from editing."

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghgfrujbftjtf (talk • contribs) 22:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ghgfrujbftjtf: Use the article's talk page to discuss the changes you want, why, and what sourcing backs the new language you propose. -- ferret (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

A dispute resolution has been opened regarding this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Dolley_Madison — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghgfrujbftjtf (talk • contribs) 01:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day, Ferret, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Bobherry Talk Edits 03:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 03:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

ferret, as we both share the same WikiBirthday, I'd also like to wish "us" a happy mutual first edit day :D Kidburla (talk) 09:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

I know I'm late but I just wanted to wish you a happy first edit day! Happy editing! SoyokoAnis - talk 03:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Image edit reversion

This user User:IndianEncyclopaedic is still vandalising edits in images and reverting back. I had warned him and opened a sockpuppet investigation as his behavior is still the same. This user is most probably a sock or a promotional user account, as he mentions to make changes only in Indian related articles. Can you check it? SuperHero ● 👊 ● ★ 09:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Both users warned for 3RR edit warring. -- ferret (talk) 16:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Date columns in Switch list

Do you think we can declare that a consensus has been reached and merge the date columns? Your proposal has been up for a while and there has been no dissent per se, although Masem did propose an alternative option, but that didn't seem to have any support from others. Kidburla (talk) 19:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

It's a pretty hefty change, so maybe post you're planning to proceed in a week. -- ferret (talk) 20:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

How you revert an edit for “unnecessary and uneconomic writing”?

Hello. I like to have a word with you. Why did y revert my edit!? Cristianmontanez05 (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It was unnecessary details written in an unencyclopedic tone. These are not critical plot details, which is suppose to be concise and to the point. On top of that, there were grammar issues. -- ferret (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean “grammar issues”? i had perfect grammar! Cristianmontanez05 (talk) 01:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello!? Cristianmontanez05 (talk) 01:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You hear me!? Cristianmontanez05 (talk) 01:17, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

You're being very disruptive with leaving messages like this. Talk pages are not real time communication. You have grammar issues even in the messages you've left here. Please be more careful. -- ferret (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Look. I had Flawless writing and no grammar issues.

Seriously! There were no problems at all, But you Revert a Perfect edit! Cristianmontanez05 (talk) 01:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

"Flawless", "But", "Revert" and "Perfect" should not be capitalized. -- ferret (talk) 01:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Why did my page get reverted?

My edits on Minecraft Story Mode got reverted. Why? Maybe I should say 'Is a discontinued' Damianlewis21 (talk)

@Damianlewis21: It's simply unavailable for purchase, which is already denoted. The game itself still works if you have it. It has not ceased to be functional. -- ferret (talk) 20:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is 'was an upcoming' bad for cancelled games?

Why not 'was an upcoming'? Damianlewis21 (talk)

Because the language is confusing, mixing a past tense verb with an adverb that suggests a future event. This phrasing is atypical, and not one we utilize. "was an upcoming" could be said about every released video game, since they were all "upcoming" at one point. It's not necessary at all, but if you really insist clarification is needed, I would suggest "was a planned". -- ferret (talk) 21:07, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Administrators will no longer be autopatrolled

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A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar

For directing me to the correct path of constructive Wikipedia editing. If you and a bunch of other administrators hadn't done this I probably wouldn't still be editing. You have been stern with me at times which, I have to admit, made me a little scared of you. But the feedback and criticism you've given me has helped me to grow as an editor and has helped me to get to where I am now. I just wanna say thank you for all you've done. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Your mistake: L4D2

What constitutes a valid source? GameBattles removed both Left 4 Dead games from competition and their website years ago. How about this? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/937407-left-4-dead/57849446 Either way, what, you’re removing a valid and 100% accurate edit because it can’t be well sourced anymore? You should revert to my change and/or post such a link. Keithustus (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Keithustus: WP:V is a core policy to wikipedia and unsourced information (Especially for a unofficial competition site) can and usually should be removed. No, GameFAQs forums are not a reliable source since they are user generated. If no secondary reliable sources took notice of this, it simply isn't important enough to note. Read WP:RS for more information on reliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Last block

ferret that edit on Dhoby Ghaut MRT Station - I am a new user testing the waters with reverting vandalism. Given that this racism was so overt and intentionally racist, I went straight to a level 4 first and only warning. Is this correct? Or should I have reported to admin instead? Thanks. Such-change47 (talk) 02:04, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Blatant racism is where 4im comes into play, yes. -- ferret (talk) 02:18, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

thank you. Such-change47 (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

User:Lipeds

..is now User:Rychyng ie. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Haiyenslna -- GreenC 01:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@GreenC: Reverting your removal to comment that I did another checkuser in response to your report and blocked several more. -- ferret (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas 2021

"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,

I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."

Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)

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Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!

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Why do you delete page content related to games?

You deleted the page Dunia Engine. If you don't care about game engines, maybe don't visit those wiki pages... But don't delete them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.10.234.233 (talk) 14:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

(by talk reader) Wikipedia doesn't maintain articles about subjects which are not notable, even if they are real subjects that people are interested in. Your edits, just like those by another IP in Austria, were reverted because the engine, itself, isn't notable and Ubisoft is. You need to provide more and better sourcing to make a claim of notability. All of Wikipedia is governed by rules. We don't allow pages written by fans to exist apart from the rules that apply everywhere just to placate those like you. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Checkuser statistics

Hello, Ferret! I hate bothering people on their holiday breaks, but I'd like to ask you a question.

Are there any formally compiled statistics available on the number of SPI cases that are filed, yearly?

I haven't been able to find anything on Wikipedia. I've searched the web but could only find secondary sources that give uncited figures for certain years.

For example, a quote from Case Study of Sockpuppet Detection on Wikipedia":

"Sockpuppets are a prevalent problem in Wikipedia, there were close to 2,700 unique suspected cases reported in 2012. "

This is helpful, but I can't find any facts on the number of sockpuppets investigated/confirmed for 2014, 2018, or 2020, etc.

Are these facts even formally collected and disseminated? If so I would greatly appreciate knowing where to find them. If not, I'm kind of troubled that a formal record of tbe hard work performed by CheckUsers isn't being kept.

By the way, I am aware of this SPI archive, but it dates back to the 2000s and seems inactive, and not very quantitative. To clarify, I'm looking for more recent figures, rather than a list of cases.

Thanks for your time and I hope we can make 2022 a more enjoyable year for checkusers like you. Hunan201p (talk) 15:54, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hunan201p: You'll probably get a more concrete answer some one of the other checkusers/clerks you've approached. I'm not deeply entrenched in the inner workings of SPI and I'm not sure where such stats, if gathered, are. -- ferret (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Christmas

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Happy Holidays!

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It’s not a melee

sigh Hello ferret. There's this problem user who's mainly done garbage edits with robotic garbage edit summaries like "it's a melee!". He's been blocked at one IP address and is now evading at here. Can you block that IP too? :( And happy holidays and thanks. — Smuckola (talk) 05:24, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Clear evasion, yes. Clean up as you desire. -- ferret (talk) 14:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

The ferret is wise. — Smuckola (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: The Uno situation yesterday

I think that Draft:Harry Potter: Magic Awakened was also created by the same user using another sockpuppet, as it was made by a WP:SPA and the game is by the same company. The article also has been rejected numerous times for lack of notability. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 15:15, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm: I've checkuser'd but can't really confirm this one. Same geo but different ISP. Might be worth SPI'ing this one so we start building up a case going forward. I'd agree the behavioral evidence is fairly strong. You might try giving them a COI warning. They seem to reply to them which might strengthen the behavior evidence. -- ferret (talk) 16:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ferret: Well, in their reply, they denied they were a paid editor for what it's worth. Though they still offered up no explanation for how a totally new user was able to plop a fully formed article with refs and everything there on one of their first edits. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Hard to say on this one. Behavioral is close, but they're a miss on checkuser despite being more than a month old account. -- ferret (talk) 08:05, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy new year

	Have a happy New Year filled with light and magic!
	Hi Ferret, Best wishes that the new year brings peace, prosperity, health and happiness. Thank you for everything you do for the encyclopedia and this community. It was great to discover the Discord server and teamB. Image: New Year's Eve Foxfires at the Changing Tree, Oji, Utagawa Hiroshige, woodcut, 1857 Netherzone (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Netherzone (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Merchandise giveaway nomination

A token of thanks

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Mediation

Hello ferret. i don't want to repeat a previous edit war mistake[1]. can you tell us if this edit is correct or not? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_War_II&action=history thank you Grandia01 (talk) 09:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I roughly agree with Nick D's reverts. Use the talk page to discuss. You're adding the phrase "Empowerment of China" with no context or information on what that even means. China's empowerment comes much later though and not as any immediate result of WWII. -- ferret (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

got it. thank you for your clarification and help. Grandia01 (talk) 07:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Ferret a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Bobherry Talk Edits 11:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Ferret a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Birthday Committee! Best wishes! CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Question about featured articles

Is there only one featured article per day does this mean that only one article can be featured at a time? Or are there other articles, I was looking at todays featured article and J.K Rowling. And I was wondering if it was a mistake, but before I do anything as serious as that I should probably ask an experienced user. SoyokoAnis - talk 20:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, happy late adminship anniversary. SoyokoAnis - talk 20:37, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@SoyokoAnis: Featured articles is a quality assessment. There are many many featured articles, with no limit on how many there can be, but the main page only highlights one a day. -- ferret (talk) 20:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, so like very good or good articles but I guess more of quality? SoyokoAnis - talk 01:52, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes. FA is a level above GA. It does not mean "Featured on the Front Page", but each day, a "Featured Article" is chosen to appear on the front page. -- ferret (talk) 01:54, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh okay, thank you! SoyokoAnis - talk 13:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

DOSBox

Please see Talk:DOSBox#Discontinued, thanks. -Cardace (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Possible IP sockpuppetry and harassment by Tkcmgl12

Greetings! Thanks for your tireless admin work...I see at User talk:Tkcmgl12 that you banned this user last year for edit warring and sockpuppetry. Today I got this weird message on my user talk page. Based on the dubious nature of the request and the complaint at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1136#Advice to protect myself about IP addresses harassing User:Suuuuuuzu, I suspect that these messages from IP users are actually the banned Tkcmgl12. I'm not sure what to do next, like if IP bans are in order or if some sort of checkuser needs to happen to confirm this? Thanks, Beland (talk) 01:46, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Beland: Yes, that sockmaster has been active today. I've blocked 5-6 IPs of them today. -- ferret (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Very strange behaviour

Greetings and all the best in New Year, for a few days now there are unsourced changes in lots of wikipedia articles, some of them were already noticed by admins, it started with this ip [[2]] after few days it continued with this ip [[3]] and today it continued with this ip [[4]],All 3 have the same target articles, the last 2 ip have the similar geolocation, could it be that they are the same person, could you run a quick SPI check ? Thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 17.January 2022 (UTC)

@Theonewithreason: Checkusers cannot comment on IPs. Recommend posting to ANI and someone can look at the case and block as needed. -- ferret (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Theonewithreason (talk) 17.January 2022 (UTC)

about MOS:VG

See the "lost ark' article. Why do titles and flags exist on that document? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocco30 (talk • contribs) 15:38, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rocco30: I'm already looking at it. It's in violation of MOS as well, and it looks like there may be conflict of interest editing there. -- ferret (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

i understand. thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocco30 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rocco30: I've completed cleaning up Lost Ark. There was a lot wrong. -- ferret (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Requesting help and outside opinion

Hi Ferret,

I was an active editor of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellivision_Amico page but quit because it appears a user by the name Daltonsatom is connected to the source material and has a vested interest in continuing to keep the page free of critical articles or anything that may make the subject appear unfavorable. Another moderator has been present there but Daltonsatom continues to do what he is doing. Requesting your help or any other help a moderator can provide. Thank you. 50.88.235.139 (talk) 02:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

I've posted a notice to WP:VG for experienced eyes to take a look. -- ferret (talk) 02:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate it! I think it's time to get some help over there. The talk page shows how out of control that user is. 50.88.235.139 (talk) 03:13, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism

Good Day Ferret, on Branković dynasty page first one purpose IP made a unsourced edit [[5]] (I believe it is for fun because it does not make any sense) I reverted them one time but after that a account appeared with the same revert [[6]], can something be done? Thank you. Theonewithreason (talk) 21.January 2022 (UTC)

I've reverted and warned. -- ferret (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Theonewithreason (talk) 21.January 2022 (UTC)

Editing question to User:Ferret

I'm confused about how to revert my edits after you removed them because I didn't summarize my changes. If there is any way to reinstate my edits so that I can summarize my changes and overall make a contribution, let me know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredaniel (talk • contribs) 17:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The edits in question should not be restored as is, regardless of an explanation. Some of the quotes were completely altered, for example, and you cannot simply alter someone's quote. I recommend making changes in smaller portions, section by section, with an edit summary explaining. This allows someone to revert only a small change they disagree with, rather than being forced to do a wholesale removal. -- ferret (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing my edit

Thanks for correcting my mistake in Diablo III, I thought "lead artist" ect would be allowed, after reading a comment on its talk page. I had no idea it was supposed to have a certain syntax, and on realizing this, clearly missed fixing the artist one. Thanks!-- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 21:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Literally cannot wait

Hi, I have made my first template code on my talk page, but I am so eager to test it, I am literally unable to wait. Please could you look to see if it would work in your spare time? It should give a message on weekends or after 4PM. This is the displayed message. Thanks :D. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

It seems to be working, but the thing to remember about templates is that their content is saved when the page is edited. So templates that are "time based" will not automatically update throughout the day, unless someone just happens to edit your talk page or issue a purge. -- ferret (talk) 15:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

So I removed it just now, before reading your reply. I couldn't get it to work or after re-reading an article about this thought I did it wrong. Probably for the best, but I will look into other methods. Any suggestions? What about "modules"? I don't know LUA, but I am a fast learner when it comes to programming. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 19:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Modules allows you to do tasks that cannot be directly programmed in Template syntax, but it will not resolve the fact that templates are parsed at page save. There is no way to create a template that will reliably show information based on time of day. -- ferret (talk) 20:21, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Any thing else that might work, exept editing at the time im active and not or perging every hour or whatever? Otherwise I will keep it as it is right now. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 20:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Not really. -- ferret (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Thank-you for your time. Im sorry if you had something else you wanted to do. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 21:52, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, I've seen talk pages that are so large and the recent posts are at the bottom, which it tedious. Any suggested ways to ask for recent at top? -Edit: on my talk page, not other users'.-- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 08:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Convention is for all new discussions to go to the bottom, maintaining chronological order, and the "New Section" button does this automatically. You can setup archiving to get rid of older posts that no longer matter if you like. You can see an example on my talk page. -- ferret (talk) 13:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 14:05, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

What does {{Off and On WikiBreak}} do? Thanks. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 14:42, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

It's just a notice to visitors that I'm busy right now and may not reply promptly. -- ferret (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Understood. The archive code, do I copy it exactly as-is to my talk page? -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 14:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, except for the counter and archive parameter. Counter you should reset to 1. For archive, it references my talk page. You'll need to update that to have the name of your talk page. -- ferret (talk) 14:55, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I have enough common sense to know that last one ;) Does the bot update the counter itself? And I cant find an archive 16d file, can you give me an example of a filename (any counter) Thanks. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:05, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

16d is the duration. When talk sections are older than that, the bot archives it. You can adjust to whatever you like. The bot will increment counter and start a new archive when maxarchivesize is met. 100-200kb are typical limits that are used. -- ferret (talk) 15:09, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Yea, I found the archived chat page when i removed the d. what are the thread ones for and does algo mean how long until archive from inactiveness? -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:18, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread the last message. Archiveheader is a prefix for the bot to add to new pages, typically an archive navigation template like {{talkarchivenav}}. maxarchivesize is the size of an archive before the bot moves on and creates a new one. Counter is the current archive the bot is using and should start at 1. minthreadsleft sets a limit to how much the bot will archive such that it will not blank your talk page entirely, so 3 means it will always leave at least 3 sections behind even if they are old. minthreadstoarchive sets a limit such that the bot will only archive if there are x number of sections ready to archive, this is usually set to 1. algo is Algorithm, and controls the age of sections to be archived, with 20d being "20 days". And archive is the pattern for archive creations, which should reference %(counter)d (D for decimal). -- ferret (talk) 15:26, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for that. I have added the code to my talk page. I won't ask you to check it as I'm sure I got it right. Im gonna do some value tweaking to it to get it just right. 100K takes too long to load, so I'll try 55K. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

FAR for StarCraft

I have nominated StarCraft (video game) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm _Talk 04:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Waterfall

Hi, you removed the map in Waterfall. I've improved the map and added a legend:

(See Wikidata query)

location of waterfalls according to Waterfall ID in the World Waterfall Database

What do you think? Grimes2 (talk) 08:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Legend helps but there's still little context. There's dots on a map. You don't know the names of any of them, there's no links to their articles (if they have one), etc. Most of the locations are overlapped as well and there's no ability to zoom. -- ferret (talk) 14:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

The names are given in the link "source wikidata query" (execute SQL). Grimes2 (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

That's far too advanced for most readers. I do not believe this map helps the article, if the only context it really provides is "waterfalls are around the world, click this link to do database queries and read a spreadsheet". -- ferret (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:AFC Helper News

Hello! I wanted to drop a quick note for all of our AFC participants; nothing huge and fancy like a newsletter, but a few points of interest.

AFCH will now show live previews of the comment to be left on a decline.
The template {{db-afc-move}} has been created - this template is similar to {{db-move}} when there is a redirect in the way of an acceptance, but specifically tells the patrolling admin to let you (the draft reviewer) take care of the actual move.

Short and sweet, but there's always more to discuss at WT:AFC. Stop on by, maybe review a draft on the way? Whether you're one of our top reviewers, or haven't reviewed in a while, I want to thank you for helping out in the past and in the future. Cheers, Primefac, via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

MOS:SEASONS

Hey! I noticed your edit per MOS:SEASONS on Splatoon 3. I had completely forgotten that for those in the southern hemisphere it's currently summer there, so it would be confusing to see that the game is coming out "summer 2022" when it's already summer over there. It's often something one doesn't think about all that often because it's not usually something you would have to think about on a daily basis. Ironically I had thought about this concept one day (not giving anymore context since it would get into TMI) and yet I didn't think about how that would effect the tentative release date given for the game. It definitely doesn't help when most English speaking countries (And also Japan... unless Japan is partially in the southern hemisphere) are in the Northern Hemisphere, so there probably wouldn't be any source that says "Winter 2022" that is in English because of that. So it's kind of a good thing the Manual of Style exists to remedy these kinds of things. Thanks for that edit. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected pages

Sir help me I made more than 50 edits and create account 4 days ago but I still can't edit semi-protected pages can you help with this. Uvarajie (talk) 15:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Your account will not be 4 days old until 4 more hours. -- ferret (talk) 15:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Reverting my edits

Those edits improved the article by removing fancruft. Why did you reinstate the fancruft? Why are you and everyone else so intent on applying the rules inconsistently in order to maintain the article in an objectively worse state? Mlb96 (talk) 20:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Please. Don't play these games. They were disruptive and WP:POINTY edits. A discussion over whether or not a game term should be capitalized is not the same as a discussion to omit the game terms entirely. Along with the personal attacks you're making, you're walking on ice. -- ferret (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:POINT says to not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Now ask yourself: did those edits improve the article? They obviously did, they removed fancruft. So why did you revert them? Mlb96 (talk) 20:25, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

And unless you can point to an identifiable user who I have attacked, then I suggest you not insinuate that I have made personal attacks. Mlb96 (talk) 20:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

You've attacked editors broadly twice in your most recent edits to the RFC. Directing it towards a specific individual is not required. I'm also certain that you're aware that no one has suggested or advocated removing these game terms entirely. Again, please don't continue making disruptive edits. -- ferret (talk) 20:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Criticizing the Wikipedia community in general is not a personal attack. And I do not need to gain consensus to make a WP:BOLD edit that improves the article, so I don't see why it matters whether or not anyone else has suggested removing those game terms entirely. So again, I'll ask: do you believe that those edits made the article better or worse? Because if you agree that the edits made the article better and you reverted them purely on principle, then that's actually being disruptive. If you genuinely believe that the edits made the article worse, then I'll drop the subject and never touch the article again. Mlb96 (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

I do not believe they improved the article. I believe they were disruptive edits that removed common game terms that are easily sourced, and instead replaced them with possibly misleading terms. -- ferret (talk) 21:09, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Fine. I maintain that it's fancruft, but whatever. Mlb96 (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

It's hard to believe that you honestly view this as fancruft to remove, when you're running an RFC on whether or not to capitalize these very terms and have given every appearance to support their inclusion as a result. I also didn't notice you removing them from any other Pokemon articles. Look, it's pretty clear this was POINTY. You're free to move on, as long as you don't repeat. -- ferret (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Red Dead Redemption 2 on the list of video games considered the best

Hello.

Earlier I tried to add Red Dead Redemption 2 to the list of video games considered the best. I did it under an IP address not realizing I wasn't logged in at the time. Eventually you undid my edit claiming that there was a "mix of unreliable sources". While I understand that unreliable sources should not be included, I must ask which of those sources were unreliable? Because some of those sources I listed were already referenced on that Wikipedia page, such as the IGN and GamesRadar sources. Thank you.

--Browsingman (talk) 07:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Giant Freaking Robots is not a reliable source or vetted for use on the page. Nor is Gaming Bible, ESTNN or Sscreenage Wasteland. These are all unreliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Hasbro Interactive

So, what I did was an idea for a merger because the current company known as “Atari Interactive, Inc.” was the ex-Hasbro Interactive. I came up with it because an Atari, Inc. page exists for the current company under that name and that was formerly GT Interactive.

And also, is there really any reason for a single page to talk about three unrelated Atari Interactive companies? The first one was part of Atari Corporation, the second was part of Hasbro Interactive and the current one is the ex-Hasbro Interactive. Luigitehplumber (talk) 20:54, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

If you feel there is a case for merge, open a discussion. The topic of Atari Interactive as a company/subsid is very likely notable. -- ferret (talk) 21:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Want me to do it in the Atari Interactive talk page then? Luigitehplumber (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Your call. Doesn't matter which page as long as you appropriately tag. -- ferret (talk) 03:30, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright, i'll type it up later. Luigitehplumber (talk) 03:59, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

There we go, i've done a merger proposal. Could you help me and inform several users about it please, as I want to get this done quickly as possible. Luigitehplumber (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Changes on ARMA 3

Hi, I made a change to ARMA 3's CSLA Iron Curtain section, and in that change I used this article: https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/arma-3-devs-are-offering-no-questions-asked-refunds-for-latest-dlc-2977467 and this community update post from Nillers, a BI community ambassador: https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/235112-statement-regarding-csla-iron-curtain/

The statement that I cited the article on was "CSLA Iron Curtain was rushed through quality assurance stages, despite the protests of even some of the official developers involved in the quality assurance process, one stating that it was still plagued with technical issues and that the community would "eat them alive"."

You removed this piece of information, saying that I need to cite a reliable source, but then used that same source to write "On June 24th of 2021, Bohemia Interactive PR representative "Nillers" released a forum statement saying that BI "recognize[s] that [they] did not do enough to ensure the appropriate quality of this particular Creator DLC." and that they would be offering no-questions-asked refunds for the next 36 days up until July 30th, 2021." Something that I had already stated, except that when I stated it, I cited an official Bohemia announcement, not the article.

So I'm confused here, I used two sources, one is Nillers saying it in an official Bohemia Interactive community update, and you removed it as not being a reliable source that Nillers and Bohemia Interactive said it, then replaced it with my other source, which you had previously also called not reliable as a justification for removing something else that I wrote. How is the NME article not reliable when it's quoting the developers who said that the community would eat them alive, but it is reliable when it's quoting an official update from Nillers and BI? And how can it be reliably quoting Nillers, if it cites the same post by Nillers that you said was not reliable when I cited it?

As pretentious as it seems to make assumptions that other people are only correcting me cause they're mistaken, (especially when they're certainly more well-versed with wikipedia than I,) if I operate on the assumption that you accidentally mistook the two sources, and thus assumed that the Nillers post isn't a reliable source that the developers said that the community would eat them alive (which would be totally fair), and that the NME article is not a proper source that Nillers stated that BI was offering refunds, even then I'm still confused? The NME article cites Nillers, and if you look at the post by Nillers, right out of the horses mouth, he did in fact say everything that the article attributed to him.

The only possibility in my mind is that you meant that the NME article reliably states that Nillers offered refunds, BUT that the article was weak regarding the quote that the developers said that the community would eat them alive, AND that from there, you intended to only include the piece about the refunds (which you would attribute to the Nillers post, not the article), but then accidentally swapped sources, and when you meant to say "The article is only partially reliable, the Nillers post is 100%, so we should take the Nillers post" you instead said "The Nillers post is only partially reliable, the article is 100%, so we should take the article".

Again, I'm sorry if I'm wrong, especially in assuming that you're mistaken, but I see no reasonable explanation to trust the article that quotes Nillers, but not Nillers himself that doesn't involve accidentally mixing up the two.User7355608 (talk) 08:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

NME is a reliable source, which covered the statement from Nillers about the refunds. That is why I retained it. We prefer secondary sources to primary sources, even for cases like official announcements, as the coverage by a secondary source adds weight to why we're bothering to include the information on Wikipedia at all. The rest was sourced to user-generated sources such as Steam and forums. We cannot use user-generated sources. Make sure you read my entire edit summary: Remove unsourced and/or unreliably sourced additions, keeping only the part backed by reliable source. The last part says I kept only the part backed by a reliable source, which pretty clearly indicated that NME was reliable. Why did I remove the "eat them alive" quote? Because it's irrelevant to the overall topic. We don't include interesting/shocky quotes. We stick to the pure facts of the matter. -- ferret (talk) 13:16, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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odd password change

Hello again, ferret. I wanted to change my password to make it easier to remember, but doing so asks me to sign-in again. With my old password. How am I supposed to do it? Thanks. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:19, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

If you do not remember your password, and your browser does not know it, I'm not sure I can help. If you have an email attached to your account you can do a password reset though. -- ferret (talk) 15:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, looking back, I ment to say "how do I change my password", not "how do I sign in". I don't have an email adress to link. Once I sign in after "changing my password", I am still stuck with my old password and it takes me back to the change password screen. So I put in the password... And whadda you know, I still can't enter the new password to sign in! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 15:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

No, ignore the above. I didn't explain it very well, Sorry. I ment, when I change my password, It asks me to sign in again. I can't sign in with the new one. So I used the old one... And I sign back in and sent back to the change password screen. So It didn't change my password. I even tried two more times with no success. My old password works, but any new one won't get accepted or something. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 16:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have any ideas. -- ferret (talk) 20:01, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

It's OK. I'll try again. Also, I found WikiBooks and started writing one myself, about a game engine that I use. Please have a look when you get time! :) https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Guide_to_the_Godot_game_engine. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 09:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

YES! I did it! I understand why it is like that... I think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is my opinion: If I signed in, and left my kindle lying around, and sombody opens Wikipedia with it, they could change my password if I was still singed in and I would never know... Until I can't sign in with my password... Smart! If that guy doesn't know my password, he can't change it, even if I'm signed-in! -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 11:13, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Correct. This is why you must supply current password to change password, to be sure it's YOU doing the change. -- ferret (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

[not] vandalism?

Please see my contributions for more info. I have reverted edits by an IP that appear to break the syntax, but there are so many edits, and I don't actually know what's going on. Please take a look. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 22:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

False alarm. I have undone the harm I have caused. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 23:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Lost Ark release date.

Hey Ferret, I appreciate you undoing my edit to the Lost Ark release date, and I'm sure this won't be repealed but I just want a discussion on this if that's ok.

The issue with video game release dates in 2022, is that there is oftentimes no real 'definite' release, this is mostly a grey area in so many cases - especially in live service games.

For example, Warframe has actually not been released yet and is still in open beta. Yet despite your claim otherwise, the release date provided in the infobox is actually the open beta release date. If you spoke to any Korean person playing Lost Ark (or even the devs themselves, hence them making events for a 3 year anniversary - referencing Nov 2018), every single one playing the game would tell you that Lost Ark was released on 7th November 2018.

Why is this important? Well this 'incorrect' information I found on Wikipedia led me to be confused when first trying to get more information on Lost Ark. You see there are a number of 'launch' classes that are going to be reworked in an upcoming patch. Since by your definition, 'launch' is in December 2019, this would include the classes of Lancemaster and the Assassin classes. Lancemaster was released in April 2019, and Assassin July 2019. Unfortunately since in Korea, both the devs and players refer to launch as Nov 2018, this information is actually incorrect and these classes are not getting reworked.

So in the event that the Korean developers refer to the 'launch' of Lost Ark in any context, when talking about the future of the game - when someone refers to the Wikipedia article, they are going to get incorrect information and become confused.

I don't know what article has been linked as source for the 4th December 2019 launch date, or what dev said that Lost Ark is 'fully ready for launch' on that date, regardless, in all practical purposes that date is incorrect and irrelevant.

Just to sum up, let me try and provide an analogy. What is the 'truest' way to speak a language - someone who is speaking colloquially and able to understand all of the nuances and intricacies of the language, or someone who reads a dictionary and only understands the 'technical' side of the language?

Sorry to take up so much of your time, I hope you were able to read through all of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.37.93.219 (talk) 07:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I get everything you're saying here, but our guidelines are to use official release date if one is known or reported. In this case, it is. While the developer may tie anniversaries back to the beta date, we have several reliable sources that report an official launch out of beta. That's the guideline. A local consensus may decide otherwise, but further discussion should be at the article's talk page so other interested editors can participate. -- ferret (talk) 11:28, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah ,I'm really sorry. I've never edited Wikipedia much so I didn't know where to have this discussion. I'll search elsewhere. Thanks for the reply though :) 152.37.93.219 (talk) 04:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Possible sock

User:Skelevixy had as one of its only contributions a possibly disruptive AfD I just closed. I assume if a totally new user is going to immediately go indepth with citing Wikipedia policies, they might be a sock, so just letting you know. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:02, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I've already looked at this user. I have a weak duck evidence guess on who they might be, but that user is not blocked and has not edited in some time, so it could be seen more as a clean start effort (if poorly done) than a sock violation. -- ferret (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

It's totally possible and actually very useful to be familiar with Wikipedia's policies even if you're not an editor. I did not report the article for any malicious purpose. I felt there was something peculiar and unencyclopedic about it - why would someone who's worked on a few games (and mostly minor smartphone releases) have a very detailed biographical entry including childhood experiences and all? I respect your decisions to keep the article; now I understand much more about the notability guidelines and I think that maybe a better option would be to downscale the article. Skelevixy (talk) 02:32, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Winnie-the-Pooh

Hi Ferret, I wanted to discuss an update of mine about the amount of translations of Winnie-the-Pooh on this Wiki page that you reverted because the source that I referred to is a wordpress site (The Many Translations of Winnie-the-Pooh). Wikipedia tells us to be careful with these type of sources, and I agree, but they are not banned completely. If you have a look at the site, you see that it concerns a private collection. The owner documented the existence of every translation mentioned. Given the type of content on this Wiki page, I feel that a potentially off-the-cuff estimated translations amount from a news source is not by definition more reliable than a private website.

So I updated the amount of translations again on that Wiki page, but I added a retrieval timestamp. I also added a Sussex World news article that comes close to the same amount (Winnie-the-Pooh prequel celebrates Sussex locations). I also added the same argumentation in the talk page of the Wiki page.

You also reverted my translation amount update on this Wiki page. Here as well I updated the amounts again, but only based on the Sussex World article, since the exact amount of translations is less relevant there.

If you disagree and undo my changes again, maybe Centenary of Christopher Robin Milne’s Birth, a 2020 news update from the agency that holds the translation rights, can be used as proof of a minimum of 70 languages?

Pelle S. (talk) 14:37, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Please use article talk pages to discuss content changes like this, so more editors can see. This was quite some time ago so I don't recall particulars. -- ferret (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

New administrator activity requirement

The administrator policy has been updated with new activity requirements following a successful Request for Comment.

Beginning January 1, 2023, administrators who meet one or both of the following criteria may be desysopped for inactivity if they have:

Made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least a 12-month period OR
Made fewer than 100 edits over a 60-month period

Administrators at risk for being desysopped under these criteria will continue to be notified ahead of time. Thank you for your continued work.

22:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Inter wiki redirects

Do they work? I was thinking it would be better to only have one talk page, so if I get a message, I only need to check one of my talk pages. Not that I've been doing anything outside Wikibooks lately, but hey, why not? Also I only just thought that both of us are animals! Ferrets and lions! (Or just "human", if you wanna be a... What's the word I'm looking for? Fun-killer? Scrooge? Boring guy? Not quite any of those, but who cares.) -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 22:40, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@L10nM4st3r You can link inter-wiki, yes. Just prefix the link with "en:". However, it's generally not necessary because if you get a talk page message on another project, you will receive a notification about it at your home project. They won't be invisible. -- ferret (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I do get notified, but having to check both talk pages is a hassle. The problem is not getting the message but finding out where it is. Which would get harder and harder if I was to join other projects in the future. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 06:53, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

So I tried to do it now but it didn't work. I don't know why, but I've left a note asking if they could talk on my Wikibooks talkpage for convenience. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 07:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I ment the redirect. The link works. The redirect didn't take me there automatically. Also I assume now that means different languages as "en" is English. I don't do stuff on other languages as I only know English. Though the "b:" prefix did link correctly. Just thought it might help figure it out, but I'm good with it anyway as it is for now. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 07:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Reverted Edits of the Black Ops wiki article

Hello Ferret, thank you for giving me a heads up for my first edits of the Black ops wiki page. I just wanted to know why the order of the sections of the zombie's maps was reverted back to the original. I believe the order of the maps should be in order of the game's main menu screen. I would like to hear your thoughts on it and possibly revert back the edits to its main menu order.

Sincerely NateRob25

My primary concern was the NFCC issue. However, the current order is alphabetical which is logical as well. -- ferret (talk) 16:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Need help

Hello sir/mam, hope you are doing well.

I had a question: Is there any way to see "how many" people had seen my edits on Wikipedia?

If so, then please reply. Thank you. Bobe8q8661 (talk) 14:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Bobe8q8661 I don't think there's any way to tell "how many" people have explicitly seen edits you made. The best you could do is see how many page views have been made for the article as a whole since you edited it? -- ferret (talk) 14:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, I had "seen it" a few weeks ago. But unable to find it anymore and anywhere. By the way, thanks for your reply.

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Naleksuh (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Naleksuh I don't think I can assist with this issue, but as info, the Wikimedia Discord has not been deleted. Not sure where you got that. See WP:Discord. For your specific issue I recommend contacting Arbcom and submitting your private evidence. -- ferret (talk) 21:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I would have preffered a private answer but it looks like this public reply has not revealed too much information. Also, yes, I made a mistake in incorrectly implying the Discord server was deleted, what I meant to say was that my Discord account has been deleted, this took place on September 23rd 2021. I will see about contacting ArbCom. Naleksuh (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Reverted Edits of the Black Ops wiki article 2

Hello Ferret, I appreciate that you are taking interest in the edits I am making towards the Black Ops wiki article. I've noticed the information regarding the ascension subtopic for the Zombies section has been deleted by you. I have been trying to add more information towards the two maps that were originally added before I made any edits to this article. And as for the source coverage being broad, you are right in mentioning this, but I've found better sources that are officially mentioned by the creators of the map and an organization that covers the map extensively. Here they are, Ascension Trailer https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=call+of+duty+black+ops+ascension&&view=detail&mid=B5382F163A0477CBE439B5382F163A0477CBE439&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcall%2Bof%2Bduty%2Bblack%2Bops%2Bascension%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

IGN Ascension overview https://www.ign.com/wikis/call-of-duty-black-ops/Ascension

Official Activision webpage https://www.activision.com/games/call-of-duty/call-of-duty-black-ops

I hope these number of sources is good enough to revert the deletion you have made and that I can continue adding more information under the zombies' main section in the hopes of enhancing the article.

Thank you for reading, NateRob25

@NateRob25: These are not sources that can be used to present this content in heavy detail. The bing search to the trailer isn't suitable, but even then, the trailer is a WP:Primary source. Primary sources are ok for proving basic facts, but they aren't any good for determining if we should cover detail at all. Is Ascension having this level of detail important to an encyclopedia? We determine whether something has due weight to be included through coverage by reliable WP:Secondary sources. IGN, normally a reliable secondary source, in this case is that Wiki, which is unreliable, per WP:USERG. And of course, the official website is a primary source. In the context of the overall games, in-depth detail about every DLC map is unnecessary. This sort of content belongs better on Fandom/Wikia/Gamepedia. WP:VGSCOPE has further information on the kinds of things we include or exclude for video games. -- ferret (talk) 16:09, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

@NateRob25: I strongly recommend you read up about sourcing on Wikipedia, at WP:RS in particular. You should also read the WP:VG project's sourcing page, WP:VG/S. -- ferret (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Ferret, I don't believe the information I had provided for the Ascension subtopic is extensive or heavy in detail. It was a small section that is very similar in length with the other map subtopics that are still on the webpage. And as for the sources not being suitable or appropriate for the information provided in the article, I would have to disagree with you as the information in the sources help verify the information I have added towards this wiki article. If anyone questions anything I have added towards the ascension subtopic, then they can check for themselves by clicking on the verified sources on Ascension. Lastly, for the whole purpose of adding Ascension in this wiki article, I believe it is essential to build on what the previous editors have made towards the zombies section of this article. Before I made any edits, there were two maps in the zombies section, Kino der Toten and Five. If these maps are essential to keep in this article, then future maps that build upon Kino and Five should be included as well. NateRob25 (talk) 16:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm actually pondering deleting the other map sections, or significantly trimming them. Especially the mention of easter egg songs which is trivial we would normally exclude. They are unsourced with no reliable secondary coverage currently, and it's unnecessary for the gameplay section to do more than mention them. Half of the content repeats information from the plot as well, making it redundant. Please understand, I'm well versed on sourcing and our requirements for it. And it's very critical we use good reliable secondary sourcing, not corporate webpages and marketing sites. Not all articles are in the greatest shape, and sometimes building on what's already there actually takes the article further from what would be seen as quality article on Wikipedia. For specific Manual of Style information on video games, you can check out MOS:VG. -- ferret (talk) 16:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Copyright release by Taiwan News on Anonymous articles

Hello there. It has been days since I sought help from WP:DISCORD regarding the passages from Taiwan News on Anonymous articles. I have contacted the author responsible for the cited news articles and secured a copyright release of those under CC-BY-SA 3.0 licenses. As Discord has locked me out of my account with the nasty phone verification screen, I couldn't go in there and inform the friends there of this development and to thank them for the help.23.234.252.225 (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Very interesting! It's also neat when we're able to secure releases for text and images. -- ferret (talk) 21:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Just some questions, after the copyright release request has concluded it would be logical that the contents can be restored, right? Would putting the VRT ticket number in edit summaries be enough just to remind the copypatrollers of the copyright release?

Correct, this is just like a deus ex machina, but there should be a tool that lets editors to submit to the comparison engine used by copypatrollers and see the scores themselves, which would then allow the fine-tuning passages to avoid close-paraphrasing and copyvio. If it's not in Toolforge, this is the best time to submit it as feature suggestions to the development team. Furthermore, the guidebook of the copypatrol tool needs to be updated so as to warn the operators more on WP:LIMITED situations such as presence of Scènes à faire jargons and expressions like "nuclear power plants", "satellites", "a referendum on the status of such territories", "memes showing characters wearing a Guy Fawkes mask" and so on, which would inevitably inflate the Turnitin score and cause a false positive embarrassment.

Ultimately I feel that it represented a substantiation of warnings by the likes of EFF and Cory Doctorow that copyright maximalism in general has implications on basic freedom of expressions. If the SMART Copyright Act gets on the Senate floor, Wikipedia should enter into a state of sitewide blackout just as happened with SOPA.

Here's hoping ya'll have a nice day. Good night.23.234.252.225 (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Copyright is not my primary area of work. As the revdel's were performed by Diannaa, I would inform her that permission has been attained and give her the VRT ticket number, and ask how to proceed. Wikipedia has little choice but to adhere to US laws, being based in and hosted in the US. We have to take it seriously, not because we love copyrights, but because there's legal ramifications. -- ferret (talk) 22:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

23.234.252.225 has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. ^†

It finally happened. Once more thanks for all the help from you and the friends at Discord though. Just for record purposes I will forward all my correspondences with the author to the VRT ticket number before moving on, partly because I don't really check email often normally and the email provider that I use right now has instated a new policy to delete accounts which are inactive for more than a year. Good night.23.234.252.225 (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Hello, it's been a while. How are you? Also, please can you delete User:L10nM4st3r/common.css as I don't need it. Thanks. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 10:09, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 13:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

On adding the game to Unreal Engine games list

Hi again, I have replied to the thread we were talking in, but judging from your edit, you're expecting me to write here, so:

"Okay, I wasn't aware that just a handful of websites are allowed. Here is the link to coverage by RPGamer.com, which is explicitly listed in the WP:RS article you have linked: https://rpgamer.com/2021/03/colony-ship-docking-for-early-access/"

Regarding my history of edits, that's what I decided to start my Wikipedia career with, but, TBH, I was pretty discouraged by numerous reversions, every time with a different reason, which altogether made me feel like other editors are just biased against the information I add, and that my time was wasted. But I generally tend to finish things that I start, so here we are. I'm generally interested in gaming and started improving the articles on Ukrainian Wikipedia recently, not related to Colony Ship or any other Iron Tower games: https://uk.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stronghold_(%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%96%D1%8F_%D1%96%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80)&diff=prev&oldid=35537768

Anyway, I haven't expected to spend even more time disproving someone's subjective suspicions, things are really weird here, IMO. Now, since I have satisfied your specific criteria, can we wrap it up now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MiltiadesAod (talk • contribs) 22:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@MiltiadesAod The general expectation for content issues is to use the talk page of the article in question, as this puts the most eyes on it. It also protects you from the next editor who sees you add this and judges it to be promotional or insufficient. -- ferret (talk) 22:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

That's something I've learnt for the future. Wikipedia usage aside, does this mean I can use RPGamer.com link you required and make a final edit to "List of Unreal Engine games"? Or should I understand your reply as the suggestion to start the related section on the talk page there, explaining my history of edits first, and then making the edit to the page itself? MiltiadesAod (talk) 22:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

@MiltiadesAod I suggest you use the talk page. Edit warring and a history of repeatedly inserting this one game into a list could lead another administrator to decide you are a promo-only account. Protect yourself, use the talk page. Also, I want to add that you should really avoid the idea that other editors are reverting you due to "biases". It's a bad faith accusation. -- ferret (talk) 22:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

> I suggest you use the talk page

Thanks, will do tomorrow.

> you should really avoid the idea that other editors are reverting you due to "biases"

I only mentioned this since you questioned my motives and I had no choice but to present the whole story.

Thanks for the tips and take care. MiltiadesAod (talk) 22:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

An edit war

I am not becoming a part of it! I'll leave this to you to figure out. See Special:Contributions/37.145.61.95-- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 10:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

They have been blocked it seems. No worries. Have a good day. -- L10nM4st3r _(talk) 11:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Continuing MOS:RETAIN and MOS:DATERET issues

I saw that you previously blocked GlennMandgi for 2 weeks in January 2022 for continued MOS:RETAIN and MOS:DATERET violations. I just wanted to bring to your attention the fact that, after the block ended, the user has made hundreds more of similar edits despite several warnings on the user's talk page. Thanks. RisingStar (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@RisingStar Indef blocked. They can appeal when they're ready to communicate and acknowledge the issue. I do not have time to personally review deeply into their contribution history to see if anything still needs reverted though. -- ferret (talk) 13:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Just wanted to acknowledge your recent comments

Hi, I am the semi-anonymous user in the recent Lady Gaga lyrics dispute. I know that it can be awkward and unwanted for someone to thank you for just doing your job well, given that you are merely an objective administrator, and I understand you may not care for this comment, and I may as well just know when to sit down and STFU. But still, I just wanted to say thank you for your time and comments. I was pleasantly surprised that someone saw that situation exactly for what it was. So thanks for taking the time to analyze the situation and comment on it with fairness. -- Eli 71.193.20.55 (talk) 23:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Maestro2016 sockpuppet accusation

Hi. Can you please tell me from what country are they from according to IP address range? --User:Randomnest — Preceding undated comment added 23:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely not. -- ferret (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Stardew Valley Animal Husbandry Mod

Why can't I include it? Mods are mentioned later in the page, sourced by https://www.pcgamer.com/stardew-valley-mods/, which you guessed it, contains the Animal Husbandry Mod! 218.188.210.224 (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Discuss mods with mods. Gameplay should not detail changes made by individual mods. -- ferret (talk) 01:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Geometry Dash Circular Reference

MB, didn't realize the website quoted Wikipedia, I had just assumed it used to directly link it and was changed Snowmanonahoe (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

About Ian Tim

Hello, I noticed that you had given a checkuser block to Ian Tim, are you able to elaborate any further on what the deal was there, or can't you really say any more than that? Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 14:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mako001 Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bobe8q8661. Behavioral evidence as well as technically indistinguishable for checkuser. -- ferret (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Stuart Adams content dispute

Hi, there's a content dispute/POV pushing going on at Stuart Adams. Can you handle it? Thanks, Merko (talk) 19:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

@Merko Semiprotected for now, watching. May take additional action as the user is using multiple accounts. -- ferret (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2022 (UTC)