User talk:FPSTurkey/List of wars involving Northern Cyprus

This list is nonsense

Northern Cyprus did not exist until November 1983 when it was self-declared as a state. Any war listed before that date is original research and POV because the state did not exist. If this article enters mainspace I will put it up for speedy deletion. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 09:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexyflemming activity update

Hi Ed. This is to update you on a specific aspect of the activity of Alexyflemming. He is apparently preparing to move the POV "List of wars involving Northern Cyprus" from userspace to mainspace. The list of wars starts from Ottoman times and includes wars of modern times when TRNC did not exist historically. The account is on full-swing lately on other fronts as well, but I am focusing on this incident because it is obviously POV and ahistorical propaganda. I have objected at the talkpage of the userspace draft but I would also welcome your advice. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 09:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What a non-sense approach: "He is apparently preparing to do something...". Dear Δρ.Κ., I form Wiki page articles in consensus with other Wiki users. There I noticed that a Wiki user prepared something. You may have objections to this. That is natural. I frequently create Wiki articles in consensus with others. Your last defence line also invalid: List_of_wars_involving_Cyprus starts at 1955 whereas Cyprus was founded in 1960. List_of_wars_involving_Turkey starts at 1919 whereas Turkey founded in 1923...etc. If you object why it dates back to so early, then that is plausible. But, if you object the creation of such a Wiki article, then you are wrong since there are Wiki articles: List_of_wars_involving_Abkhazia. Clear?Alexyflemming (talk) 10:26, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also, dear Δρ.Κ., if you have some objections towards some Wiki users edits or pre-edit behaviours, just complain them to the very same Wiki users; writing and complaining those things in some other Wiki users' Talk pages does not address your problem that much!Alexyflemming (talk) 10:31, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

if you object the creation of such a Wiki article, then you are wrong since there are Wiki articles ... Right, but there have been no wars involving Northern Cyprus. The only conflict that could maybe be listed is the '74 invasion, since it's effectively led to its establishment. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 10:52, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the IP editor. Alexyflemming's example of List of wars involving Abkhazia, starts with the introduction at the lead: "This is a list of wars involving Abkhazia since its independence in 1993." There have been no wars involving "Northern Cyprus" since the independence of Northern Cyprus" in 1983. Even if we count the 1974 invasion as "involving Northern Cyprus", this hardly qualifies as a list. As far as Turkey and Cyprus, the nations and geographic locations of Turkey and Cyprus respectively preexisted the formal declarations of their countries. "Northern Cyprus" did not even exist as a concept of a separate entity prior to 1974 and moreover was identical to "Cyprus" prior to the 1974 invasion. That is a false analogy. So making a list" out of a single war is the usual POV from this account and obviously he is committed to creating the list. That is why I did not bother to approach him directly. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 17:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tangentially, I've started a discussion about whether we should list wars before the establishment of the RoC here. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, it's been suggested the Cyprus list be deleted. If that one is, I can't imagine how this one won't be. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 22:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1. "This is a list of wars and conflicts that Armenia or Armenians have been involved in." (that started in 87BC!)

2. IP:213: "The only conflict that could maybe be listed is the '74 invasion, since it's effectively led to its establishment." 1974 caused to the existence of "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" in 1975. 1955-1964-1967 Cyprus Intercommunal Conflict/Violence caused to the existence of "Turkish Cypriot Provisional Administration" in 1967. One cannot break the relevant timeline at a certain point (you broke at 1974). There is a process. "Turkish Cypriot Provisional Administration" .... "Turkish Federated State of Cyprus" ... "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus". These 3 entities are all sovereign entities.Alexyflemming (talk) 23:05, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct, but only 1974 was a war. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 23:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am taking the possible page to the below. This does not mean I agree 100% to the following. I will list my objections.Alexyflemming (talk) 23:24, 1 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There is no material for a list here. The Ottoman wars are out of the question. The list introduction below starts with: "This is a list of modern wars and conflicts that the Northern Cyprus or Turkish Cypriots has been involved in." This is misleading. The title of the list makes no mention of "Turkish-Cypriots" and the title of the list makes no mention of "conflicts". It only makes mention of "wars". We invite the reader to read about the "Wars" of "Northern Cyprus" and we surprise them by loading the Ottoman wars (not related in any way to TRNC), conflicts (they are not wars) and if we are honest we have to admit that the title is misleading. Also if we are honest we have to admit there is not enough material to make a list. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 01:24, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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THE BEGIINING:

This is a list of modern wars and conflicts that the Northern Cyprus or Turkish Cypriots has been involved in.

Conflict	Combatant 1	Combatant 2	Results
Ottoman Cyprus (1571–1912)
4th Turkish-Venetian War (1570–1573)	Ottoman Empire Ottoman Cyprus	Venice Spain other...	Ottoman Turkish victory
British Cyprus (1912–1974)
Cyprus Emergency and the Cypriot intercommunal violence (1955–1960–1961)	United Kingdom TRO	EOKA Greek Cypriots	Greek Cypriot Victory Cyprus gains independence from the United Kingdom. Tensions rise between the Greek and Turkish communities of Cyprus. Greek Cypriots recognized as de jure possessor of Republic Of Cyprus.^[1]
*TRNC (1974–present)*
Operation Atilla (1974)	Turkey Turkish Cypriots	Cyprus	Victory 36.2% of Cyprus occupied.
Cyprus Dispute (1960–present)	Northern Cyprus Support from: Turkey OIC	Cyprus Support from: Greece European Union	Ongoing

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