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Filipino Veterans Fairness Act

Regarding your partial reversion of my edits to Filipino Veterans Fairness Act with the edit summary "Fix the format if you wish, but dont change the sources themselves)", when I found a book listed in Google Books with the same ISBN as the pre-change article gave, a book by the same authors and with a slightly-expanded version of the title used in the pre-change version of the article, I presumed that was the same source that the pre-change article was trying to reference. I used the info which Google Books has for the book with that ISBN. See this. I'll remove this article from my watchlist. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops

Regarding this, oops indeed. Fortunately, sharp-eyed user:SlimVirgin appears to have fixed this here. Thanks for pointing this out. I will try to be more careful in future. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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Door breaching

I've attempted to remove the "how-to" tone of the ballistic breaching section, while still adequately documenting the process. Let me know what you think. scot (talk) 15:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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		For being quick to revert vandalism on several articles. Cheers! Eustress (talk) 03:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Cluster bombs

The RRAB-3 does appear to have a third arm, which would validate your assertion that its resemblance to the erect penis is coincidental to the picture. I will refrain from editing that cluster bomb article in such a way any further. 216.26.210.48 (talk) 03:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Timothy McVeigh

Hey, I thought that the bomb in Oklahoma City killed 168 people, not 165. It even says so on the Oklahoma City bombing page...

My mistake, edit was correct, but in my defence the editor was a known vandal, though I should havechecked more carefully.

Confederate States of America

Just to let you know, this edit you reverted wasn't vandalism, but a widely circulated and exaggerated story concerning Davis' capture. He apparently grabbed his wife's raincoat mistaking it to be his own (both cut from same material, hers without sleeves) when surprised by Northern troopers. The story ballooned from there, but none of it belongs on the CSA page. Historian Shelby Foote goes into detail about his flight and capture, and this story is in his third Civil War: A Narrative book, pages 1010 and 1011. Maybe include it on Davis' own page? Kresock (talk) 03:44, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

• I removed it because it seemed unlikely and was uncited. Since you seem to have a source verifying the anecdote, I have no protestations with it being added to an appropriate page. F-451 (talk) 03:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I will add some of the story to Davis' article. Did you shoot the IP a vandal warning? Kresock (talk) 04:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

yes, but I removed it when you corrected me. Not that it makes much diffrence, IP is a known vandal, has been blocked in the past, and was warned less than a week ago for vandalism, thats why I was so quick to judge that edit as more vandalism. F-451 (talk) 04:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Abbé Faria from Count of Monte Cristo

The article on the movie counts with a reference leading to the real Abbé Faria, clearly from portuguese origin as we historically knows, in the article on the Count of Monte Cristo, are stated, possibly wrongly, Abbé Faria origin as italian. Two situations possible: or Abbé Faria from the book is really italian or the article linked to it, of the real Abbé Faria, seens to be out of place. See this before you just revert my contributions, ok? You seen to get the easy work done instead of the real hardship of valid research and surveillance on the Wiki articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.84.193.2 (talk) 03:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The article in question is about the book, not the movie and not the real person. In the book he is clearly portrayed as an italian, in fact he is introduced in chapter thirteen, entitled "An Italian Scholar." I resent the implication that I am the one that does not do my research, I have read the BOOK itself. Watching movies is not research. I reverted your edit because my research showed that YOU were wrong. Don't accuse others of not doing research until you have done some actual research of your own. F-451 (talk) 23:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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Timothy Spencer

The Serial killer also known as 'The Southside Strangler' was indeed found guilty of the murder of Diane Cho. An archived article at the Richmond Times-Dispatch website dated May 13th says so

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/timesdispatch/access/616967871.html?dids=616967871:616967871&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=May+13%2C+1989&author=Joseph+Williams&pub=Richmond+Times+-+Dispatch&edition=&startpage=B-1&desc=CHESTERFIELD+JURY+CONVICTS+SPENCER+OF+CHO+MURDER

The headline- CHESTERFIELD JURY CONVICTS SPENCER OF CHO MURDER.

Another archived article- http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/timesdispatch/access/616938541.html?dids=616938541:616938541&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=May+28%2C+1989&author=Joseph+Williams&pub=Richmond+Times+-+Dispatch&edition=&startpage=B-1&desc=SPENCER%27S+CONVICTIONS+DIDN%27T+END+THE+FAMILIES%27+SORROW+AND+ANGUISH

Reads- [Timothy Wilson Spencer] was convicted of capital murder for strangling Debbie Dudley Davis, 35 and Dr. Susan Elizabeth Hellams, 32, both South Side residents, and Diane Cho, 15, a Manchester High School sophomore. All the deaths occurred during Spencer's stay at a halfway house on Porter Street in South Richmond.

Spencer was arrested in Richmond in January 1988. His murder trials began with the Arlington trial last summer. The final trial, for Miss Cho's death, ended in Chesterfield County May 12.

That's just an excerpt from the above link. These twenty year old stories are in a paid archive. I think this is sufficient proof to say Timothy Spencer was found guilty in Diane Cho's murder.

I think the mistake isn't your fault, but rather the source you are using. Reviews at Amazon of The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers says the book has numerous inaccuracies. Having no copy of the book, I can't say if this true or not.- Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamJE (talk • contribs) 22:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

As he said, my source is incomplete, and I don't have access to the paid archive, thank you fr this new information. F-451 (talk) 03:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Too many words?

In my view, your on-point comments about the Kusnetzov class aircraft carriers were undervalued and too quickly dismissed at Talk:Hyūga class helicopter destroyer#Article name. In part, this explains why I'm contacting you now. I wonder if you might be willing to suggest ways to edit my writing to make it more succinct, less wordy -- more effective?

I hesitate to add this to the talk page at Hyūga class helicopter destroyer for fear that someone will complain that it has "too many words." In a context which arises before I posted my initial edit to that article's second paragraph, it becomes possible to begin to appreciate what's gone so very wrong as the result of an unthinking reliance on Jane's Fighting Ships and Global Security.org. An unmindful insistence on what is published in a reference book without giving due weight to consequences which flow from the Japanese context leads inexorably to mistakes in some instances.

Wikipedia's current treatment of JDS Hyūga implicates deep-rooted paradigms based on premises which effectively function to exclude or excise crucial issues from the body of the article; and this becomes a defect when it affects significant content which remains otherwise inextricable in reality. Relying solely on English-language naval ship catalogs, the edit history reveals how otherwise credible edits and editors have thwarted, deleted or blocked, thus stunting this subject's development -- see Talk:Hyūga class helicopter destroyer#Article name

Personally, of course, I don't care what the article about JDS Hyūga is named, nor do I care about the terminology used to describe this vessel -- but I'm persuaded that WP:NPOV expects us all to care very much about the "why" which informs whatever name or terminology is selected.

Although generally valued as highly credible resources, Jane's Fighting Ships and Global Security.org promote systemic bias in at least this one instance because their congruent terminology derives from primary sources bearing the imprimatur of the Japanese government. As such, reliance on this "gold standard" for descriptive terminology relating to Japanese naval ships is defensible, and any reasoned consensus based on such standards is also defensible; however, neither can be considered determinative. There is an inherent caveat in reliance on the imprimatur of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force and the newly formed Ministry of Defense (Japan). When the logical progeny of such reliance produce deleterious effects in Wikipedia, this subtle cancer mandates giving more than lip-service to WP:V and WP:NPOV.

As you may know, the Constitution of Japan prohibits "aircraft carriers"; and therefore the Japanese quite sensibly identify the JDS Hyūga with a unique, non-aircraft carrier name. In Japan, if ducks were prohibited by the Japanese Constitution, then something which waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, and behaves like a duck would be sensibly given a unique non-duck name. As it relates to use of the term "aircraft carrier," this unique bias is informed by the constitution which was imposed during the post-war occupation by the Americans; and it, along with many other salutatory aspects of the Constitution, has been embraced by subsequent generations of Japanese.

Among the Japanese, the practical decision-making which sometimes calls for a prudent substitution of flexible notions of "fiction" for "fact" is recorded across the span of centuries. This aspect of Japanese history and culture need not intrude into this Wikipedia article about the Hyūga except when an otherwise useful fiction is proffered as sufficient rationale for devaluing, denying, and deleting edits and citations (consistent with WP:V) which state that JDS Hyūga is an aircraft carrier with another name.

Sdsds construes the phenomenon in terms of a familiar line from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet -- in that passage in which Juliet muses about "that which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet". In my view, this specific quotation does capture the essence of a very important aspect of this somewhat complicated issue.

Perhaps a more apt illustrative exchange is to be found in Shakespeare's The Taming of the Shrew in that scene in which Petruccio looks at the sun and defies his new wife to disagree when he identifies it as the moon -- especially in that passage which begins, "I say it is the moon ...

In that Wikipedia article about the first of the Hyūga-class vessels, I would hope to make a constructive contribution by re-casting this controversy using medical terminolgy:

In oncology, the metastasis of cancer is conventionally described as insidious or "developing so gradually as to be well-established before becoming apparent." It is also well-known to be pernicious or "highly injurious or destructive." It is unfortunate that criticism of Wikipedia has not yet encompassed the oncological model, but it is arguably true that the metastasis of systemic bias, like cultural bias elsewhere, is insidious, pernicious and sometimes invasive.

Prior to this, the non-NPOV problems in Hyūga class helicopter destroyer have escaped a thorough examination. The thin record of postings in the initial section of the talk page suggests a nascent pattern of thwarting discussion and inquiry; and the subsequent record on that talk page confirms this unwanted hypothesis.

Across the arc of talk page exchanges amongst potential contributors and others, the consequences of intense, concerted resistance made it impossible even to reach a threshold from which to begin parsing aspects of this non-NPOV cancer. Such illustrative "consensus" becomes a powerful element of proof -- a multi-faceted demonstration of an undetected, highly persistent, insidious and pernicious problem.

Initial examination of this suspect article included a complete review of the edit history, including scrutiny of relevant external links which were deleted without any efforts to incorporate plausibly useful data.

An ameliorative edit was initiated. This involved one sentence only, supported by an in-line citation with an external link to a credible source. The talk page record reveals that this precisely-targeted intervention was reverted twice without substantive discussion. The edit encountered further resistance which blocked access to any threshold from which to begin to address the unacknowledged bias which remains the article's pervasive flaw. --Tenmei (talk) 05:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

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Photo of Timothy Spencer

You wrote in the discussion section that a photo would add to his entry. There is one located at this address

http://www.leelofland.com/wordpress/?p=364

I don't know how to add photos to wikipedia entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilliamJE (talk • contribs) 18:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive

G'day all, please be advised that throughout April 2018 the Military history Wikiproject is running its annual backlog elimination drive. This will focus on several key areas:

• tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
• adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages
• updating the open tasks template on Milhist's task force pages
• creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the scope of military history will be considered eligible. This year, the Military history project would like to extend a specific welcome to members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, and we would like to encourage all participants to consider working on helping to improve our coverage of women in the military. This is not the sole focus of the edit-a-thon, though, and there are aspects that hopefully will appeal to pretty much everyone.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 April and runs until 23:59 UTC on 30 April 2018. Those interested in participating can sign up here.

For the Milhist co-ordinators, AustralianRupert and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Planet Express Ship for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Planet Express Ship is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Planet Express Ship (3rd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:24, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive

Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2021 (UTC)