User talk:Egg Centric/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Aerospace industry in the United Kingdom

Please provide reliable sources for your edits. Corvus cornix_talk 02:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Help Request

Is there a "user page wizard" or the like to help me make my user page anywhere?

See if this helps: Wikipedia:User page design center. Tiderolls 11:23, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Not really, no; because we try to concentrate on making a better Encyclopaedia, user pages are very low priority. If you want to make a nice one, you are welcome, but it's hard to get direct help.

Most people simply look around at other user pages, and copy ideas from there.

There is, however, Wikipedia:User page design center.

Hope that helps.  Chzz  ►  11:25, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Fourth Plinth

Good move, well done! DBaK (talk) 11:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Egg Centric (talk) 11:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'll try to have a look in. Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Another help request

{{helpme}}

How do I give an image a relative width? I'd like it to be as large as an article can be wide on someone's screen, but no larger. Specifically the duck at Wikipedia:Please_be_a_giant_duck,_so_we_can_ban_you. Egg Centric (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not sure if this is what your looking for but,play around with this:

Mlpearc powwow 15:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks but it isn't - I'm aware of how to specify a size that's either absolute in pixel terms or that is relative to the image's dimensions; I'd like to specify one that is relative to the width of the page. Egg Centric (talk) 15:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not possible I'm afraid. See Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Re

Some people call it a decline. I call it a transition! :P --SGCM (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

A butterfly crawling back into the chrysalis, perhaps ;) Egg Centric (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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No Personal Attacks

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Joanna Yeates

Thank you for the head start on the big break. KimChee (talk) 10:33, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Cheers matey. Just added a bit more from the UK's soaraway favourite. Egg Centric (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Reviewer permission

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Hurray! Egg Centric (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Stoned userbox

Hi,

Is there a "this user is stoned" userbox? I thought I should announce it to such a wide caring world :) Egg Centric (talk) 22:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Use the force/Userboxes/Stoned. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 22:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Can't see one, but, it only takes 5 mins to make one;

{{Userbox | border-c = #999 | border-s = 1 | id-c = red | id-s = 14 | id-fc = black | info-c = #EEE | info-s = 8 | info-fc = black | id = [[File:Hemp.JPG|43px]] | info = This user is [[Cannabis (drug)|stoned]] | float = left }}

This user is stoned

Tweak it as you see fit, dude.  Chzz  ►  22:32, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Hey, I responded to your response to my comments, at my talk page. Also, this is not a good idea. Even if you felt it was an accurate description, WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL and WP:TALK are all pretty clear that just because you have a WP:USERSPACE doesn't mean personal attack are ok there. Also, something to consider is that we desperately need more women among our ranks (for many reasons, but one of which is that we're just literally missing out on the contributions of thousands of potential editors). Comments attributing bad behavior to menstrual cycles is an old jab that strikes, well, below the belt. Keep it clean! Ocaasi (talk) 02:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

re:quick points

Well, personally I've never regestered an e-mail address to my account so I wouldn't really be able to tell you how it may benefit. All I know about it is that it will allow Wikipedia editors to contact you off wiki. I guess if you're willing to do that, it's your decision. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 08:58, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

February 2011

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hrs for You are clearing pushing WP:NPA and harassing Someone65, including violating WP:OUTING. Please take some time to cool down. Please note this block is not for or against the indef block suggestion that he made towards you.. Once the block has expired, you're welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. MASEM (t) 14:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Previous unblock decline, collapsed so as to make it clear I have a current one:

This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Egg Centric (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: If a block is to protect the encyclopedia, rather than punitive, and if I have been harming the encyclopedia by my edits on ANI (I dispute that but don't feel that I need to elaborate as it's irrelevant to the request) I am quite happy to manually block myself from ANI and anything to do with that user for 24 hours. There is no need to calm down as I am perfectly calm anyway. Thus I request an unblock to continue making other edits on Wikipedia. Decline reason: I'm sorry, but I don't think I can trust you to "manually block yourself" after seeing warnings for the same behavior in the history of this page. TNXMan 15:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. I'm very disappointed you think that little of... well, almost anyone. Had I a history of breaking pledges, perhaps I could understand. It really wouldn't be hard you know. All I'd have to do is not edit the administrator's noticeboard. Egg Centric (talk) 15:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Egg Centric (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I have no such history. There's a warning for personal attacks (related discussion here - last part of it - in relation to some comments on my user page, e.g. MISSING LINK - sorry can't link to it without breaking template) but that stems very much from a misunderstanding, they were intended as a joke. That's the only thing I can find. And I certainly have no history of breaking solemn undertakings in real life, much less here (indeed I haven't given any here until this one :D) - so it seems curious to think I couldn't be trusted to not edit a page.

Decline reason:

You've been here only a few weeks. It takes longer than that for us to trust a user if he agrees, as part of dispute resolution, to voluntarily refrain from editing a certain page. And when you are accused of outing, that complicates things greatly ... — Daniel Case (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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missing link: [1]

Well, I guess that's a shame. I don't ask for special treatment so I'll sit this out. If wikipedia really feels that way about the typical user, something is rotten though. Egg Centric (talk) 19:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Repost of Marianne Ny

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Talkback

Hello, Egg Centric. You have new messages at Wikipedia talk:CONTRIB/Imperial.
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Legal threats

I am not sure to what you are implying here "Indeed, it is not unreasonable to wonder whether the authorities ought to have been contacted!" [2] but would appreciate a clarification. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I don't want to accidentally sound like I'm making a threat or criticism of you or anything like that, so if you read that into anything I say, please ask for further clarification...

I was merely saying it wasn't unreasonable for the user to wonder (and I mean that in a general sense, not "wonder out loud") if your images should be looked at by the relevant body to see if they're breaking any rules. I emphasise again that this isn't my position, but you can surely see why someone may be concerned for the patients? As you have consent it's no bother but it's not an incomprehensible position, surely? Egg Centric (talk) 14:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. As I have had legal attacks due to Wikipedia editing I am a little jumpy (the user had threatened action on Wikipedia first than followed through). To make a long story short this editor wrote a letter to my college insulting the intellectual ability of one of my patients. Neither the patient nor myself where impressed.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

감사합니다!

Thank you for the kind present. I could not help but notice you also wrote WP:GIANTDUCK. Perhaps the humor needs to go one step further, such as retitling "Please be a giant duck, so we can bake you" (or "cook you" or "eat you") and adding a few silly examples in the spirit of the page that you are parodying? KimChee (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Courtesy notification

Hi. Since the time that you have commented at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Unblock_request (where there was some messy brainstorming about what terms are necessary for an unblock), a specific proposal has been made by Doc James about the restrictions/conditions that will come into effect upon the user being unblocked. Your comments/views on this proposal are welcome. Regards, Ncmvocalist (talk) 09:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Supported thanks Egg Centric (talk) 09:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Editor not fully logged in edits.

I've ended up with a few edits ending up with my (static) IP address, even though I thought I was logged in at the time as, so it seems, was this edit (actually the one before it). Tim PF (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Did you have a watchlist etc still working though? Egg Centric (talk) 05:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Sometimes, I may have have been working through my watchlist in one tab, opening each article into new tabs, and not noticed that the login had timed out (or more perversely had somehow logged out). But I know I have been in the situation where it all looks fine until submitting an edit (even to the extent of the correct signature showing up with "Show preview") and only afterwards noted that it had an IP address. I'm fairly certain I noticed one at the time, logged back in and re-edited to just get the right signature (with an edit summary saying something like "last edit was mine - not logged in"), rather similar to the example I posted above. I know I for one occasionally miss things even if I use "Show preview", "Show changes" and then read through the changes after the "Save page". Tim PF (talk) 17:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok fair enough Tim, thanks for the info:- I'll be less paranoid in future :D Egg Centric (talk) 17:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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Help Request

{{helpme}} I would like to "spam" something to the talk pages of a range of IPs, specifically the same message as at User_talk:212.183.128.2. Is there an easy way of doing that? Egg Centric (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

You might check with user:Chzz, who has the ability to send a message to a number of users simultaneously.--SPhilbrickT 18:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

...and here I am.

Yes, I could 'spam' a message out, quite easily, to a range of IP's. I have a message-delivery bot that can do it, ChzzBot (talk · contribs).

Whether we should or not might be another matter :-)

Please could you tell me,

• A) What kind of thing you plan to say, and
• B) How big a range?

...and we can take the discussion from there. I'll be checking back here, so just reply underneath. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

• A) Pretty much exactly what is @ that IP's talk. Perhaps there are wiki templates and so on to be applied to it first
• B) 212.183.128.0-125 from the looks of things. I can't swear that will catch all of them but a bit of playing around with IP contributions seems to suggest that's it Egg Centric (talk) 18:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Well The /25 range is engaging in a heavy amount of disruption. We don't generally send out mass messages, but we might apply a range block. But we'd certainly like more history (this edit sure could use some explanation).

FYI, this is normally the type of thing you can bring up at the administrator noticeboard for incidents. Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure why that edit needs explaining - I removed some non article relevant info using my phone, and since I was using the IP thought I should say who'd done it... maybe you were reading it the wrong way round? History wise, a quick look through those IPs suggest vodafone has recently switched to having its subscribers (like me) edit through that range. In the previous range (I used to edit as an IP; indeed it'll take ya about a minute at most to see my [also shared] work IP with a bit of cunning ;)) I was very often blocked because some idiot would get on the IP and vandalise, and get blocked... then some other idiot would vandalise and get the IP blocked for longer, and so on until the IP was blocked for months. On that setup there were about 5 vodafone IPs I would get; I've no idea what they were now sadly to point you to them but they all had that history and they could probably be found. Anyway, it looks like there's a new bunch, on a greater range, since December. So I'm hoping that it's possible to avoid the long IP blocks by having that message on them pre emptively. Of course, if a huge amount of vandalism appears then the IPs have to be blocked; it's preventing the escalating blocks for isolated incidents that I want to avoid Egg Centric (talk)

P.S. Here is an example of the effects. Perhaps as well the message should point out to the user any messages are not neccessarily intended for them. In fact, I'm 99.9% certain there was such a message on the previous vodafone IPs I was usin.g Egg Centric (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) x 2

I see.

The actual range would appear to be 212.183.128.0 - 212.183.144.255 according to the whois, which is about 4,000 addresses; is there good reason to limit to the 125 you mentioned?  Chzz  ►  18:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I assumed, as per above, that vodafone was only allocating a few IPs to the actual internet users in the UK. These edits are made by mobile phone so the IPs are MASSIVELY shared - like I said before previously it seemed to be about 5 IPs I'd have between the entire network. Can we see how many of these IPs are still editing? Egg Centric (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I chose the /25 range because it has the most recent edits. I didn't look beyond the /24 range. In any case, the request is now a bit out of my league, so I'm going to step out of the discussion, if you don't mind. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Of the range you initially stated, about 56 have edited. For the larger range, I'd have to work out how to check. I will do that.

I'd probably suggest that we only put the message on talk pages of users that had made an edit. I think, like 'welcome' messages, people might object to putting it on the page of users who didn't edit.

Please give me a little time; I'd like to just run the idea past some other people. I see no harm in you putting it on <100 pages, really, but it might set a prescedent, and another person might decide to do it for 100,000 users - at which point, it might cause a fuss. (Adding it to 100K pages might also be a good idea, but I'm sure you understand why that'd need a bit of discussion).

I'm sorry if I'm over-complicating it; there's nothing wrong in your wanting to put a message on <100 talk pages. But if you could bear with me...I'll get back to you ASAP; I hope within a day. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  19:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely cool, no rush! BTW if you're doing it on wiki could you link me to it so I can answer people's questions? If not then don't worry, I'm easy to get ahold of in the near future! Egg Centric (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

A colleague (better at SQL) is working on a way of seeing how many editors in any given range have edited; he hopes to do that tonight - which, for us English, is the next 3.5 hours. No promises, but still.

And apart from that, I'm pondering and thinking about the best approach; I may well (when I have more data, from that query) put a brief query on some notice-board; in which case, I will certainly let you know.

It's an interesting idea, and one worth a bit of consideration. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  20:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Jolly good. I can only speak for vodafone but suspect other networks are much teh same so it'd be handy to do em. Otherwise, I know of another couple of IPs that very often blocked: They are used by East Coast services on the East Coast Main Line; unfortunately I can't give you them off hand; I'll need to travel on it again to get em for ya. Over time they've been getting longer and longer bans for different idiots, preventing edits by everyone else. Egg Centric (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Stwalkerster/iplist is the list of all anonymous users on the range 212.183.128.0 to 212.183.143.0 who have 1 edit or more that has not been deleted (excluding revdel). Script to produce results available on request. Total of 150 users. [stwalkerster|talk] 21:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, so, 150 is not a big deal; but 'coz of the possible ramifications, I want to run it by AN. Before I do so, it might be good to come up with a bit neater 'template'. Give me...an hour, and I'll do one. Here. And/or, make your suggestions.  Chzz  ►  21:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. I've just looked at a number of existing templates;

...that is, {{Shared IP}}

...and see also {{SharedIPEDU}}, {{SharedIPAdvice}}, {{SharedIPPublic}}, {{SharedIPCORP}}

I started to edit those, to try and re-word the message on User talk:212.183.128.2 appropriately; and as I did so, I realised that, the problem is, you are leaving a "message to admins" on other talk pages.

I'm not convinced that is a useful idea.

Also, the example you gave states, "For more info, talk to me" - it's a bit too...well, specific.

Mostly, the message we leave will be read by the editors, not the admins. Admins are pretty much going to ignore whatever is on the talk page.

So...I'm not convinced this will help.Really, the notice you wrote is saying "Admins - do the right thing; follow the right policies" - because, they shouldn't be blocking an IP anyway, unless it is necessary to protect Wikipedia.

In conclusion, after some thought, I don't think this blanket message is a great idea.

However, if you disagree, I suggest you start a discussion - initially, WP:PUMP would be best, but if you do plan to 'spam' to a few hundred pages, then I'd certainly recommend posting to WP:AN.

I can, very easily, help you 'spam' a message out to 100 people, or 1000, or 10,000. However, I cannot in good faith do so, unless I see that it is a good idea.

Sorry to be negative in this post; I hope you'll see that I have given it thought. If you still want to 'spam' those specific 150 users, I don't think that'd be a huge deal, but I do think it'd be worth asking on WP:AN - and saying exactly what you want to do, ie "I think we should put THIS on THESE pages, for THESE REASONS". If AN consensus agreed, I'd very happily actually perform the 150 posts.  Chzz  ►  22:25, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

That's no problem, I understand your reasoning and probably won't be doing anything more at this stage; instead, if I find myself under an IP block I'll make a complaint then!

By the way, thanks so much for the assistance here - way beyond the call of duty and hugely admirable :) Egg Centric (talk) 20:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

re Essays

No, essays don't have to conform to NPOV. Like everything else here it seems, there's a page about them - WP:ESSAYS - where it says "Essays typically contain advice or opinions...". Everyone is free to write as many essays as they like; a lot of people keep them in their userspace.

No problem, and as I see you are a fairly new editor: Welcome! And happy Wiki'ing! Herostratus (talk) 02:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Categories

Just because you very likely don't know this as yet. If you copy a mainspace article into your userspace for whatever reason (tests, tweaks, you want to do something else with it personally), remove the categories. The reason for this is if you don't then your test user page will appear in those categories on the mainspace. USerspace isn't allowed in the main article space categorisation system.

Note, this is just informational as chances are very high you didn't know this, and it's a common enough mistake. It's just to stop cluttering the main encyclopaedic categories with pages that the regular user shouldn't be navigating to during normal reading. Canterbury Tail talk 11:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair use images

Oh, one other minor point, again something you likely haven't come across. In your copy of the Jeremy Bamber page, several of the images on that page are Fair Use. Fair Use only applies, to my knowledge and I'll be the first to admit I'm not a copyright expert here, to the main encyclopaedia. I don't believe Fair Use images are allowed to be utilised in Userspace. You may want to check it out, see Wikipedia:Removal_of_fair_use_images#Fair_use_images_on_userpages for details. Again, I haven't removed them as I'm not expert in this area, it's just a friendly word. Canterbury Tail talk 11:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok dokey - that page isn't needed any more so have removed it, as the simplest thing. Thanks for the heads up! Egg Centric (talk) 13:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Help Request

{{helpme}}

May I use a photo as a cite? Egg Centric (talk) 21:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, if it's something really obvious, maybe not if it's not obvious. Is the photo already on Wikipedia? How do you want to use it as a cite? Where do you want to use it as a cite? Banaticus (talk) 22:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Well...no. You can't cite a photo as such - because, the photo itself is not a reliable source. You could cite a photo on e.g. BBC News, if you were saying e.g. "The photograph on the news report showed a sausage" - as long as it really clearly was all about a sausage, with no claim of original research.

Or, you can cite e.g. a plaque on a wall of a church - and, you can supply a photo of the plaque as a convenience link - ie, the reader might find the photo of the plaque interesting, but you're not claiming it is verifiable as such; you're saying "A plaque (here) says THIS" ^{and there is a pic, online here - but if you want to check, the plaque itself is HERE}.

If in doubt, ask on WP:RSN.  Chzz  ►  22:17, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Interestingly it's not far off - I'm citing a gravestone! Egg Centric (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, just saw Banaticus's edit. No the picture is not on Wikipedia, but I took it today, so will upload it at some point before I make the edit itself. Egg Centric (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

You can cite a gravestone; I have done so before. It you specify where it is, in sufficient detail - ie, Church/city and/or geolocation, then it is a verifiable source. You cite the gravestone - not the pic. The pic is for convenience; if someone wants to check the facts, they can go visit the grave.  Chzz  ►  04:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Rollback

Hello, this is just to let you know that I've granted you Rollback rights. Just remember:

• Rollback gives you access to certain scripts, including Huggle and Igloo, some of which can be very powerful, so exercise caution
• Rollback is only for blatant vandalism
• Having Rollback rights does not give you any special status or authority
• Misuse of Rollback can lead to its removal by any administrator
• Please read Help:Reverting and Wikipedia:Rollback feature to get to know the workings of the feature
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If you have any questions, please do let me know.

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:42, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It works!

Danke,

Egg Centric (talk) 12:30, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for the revert on my talkpage, and your followup. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Any time... I'm not too optimistic but it's worth a try! Egg Centric 14:17, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you drunk?! (alarmed)

See [3] --173.49.140.141 (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

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Tsunami

Hi Egg Centric, I've reverted your edit again as I think that you are referring to the prevention of damage from a tsunami rather than prevention of the tsunami happening in the first place - technology could potentially do something about the former but not in any wild imaginings could it do anything about the latter. Mikenorton (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Of course it could. As they say, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. The current version, ironically, is the real violation of CRYSTAL. Egg Centric 17:44, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Rather than have this turn into a major discussion I've just removed that first sentence, it really wasn't necessary. Mikenorton (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. It may seem a very pedantic point but it's something I feel strongly about... Egg Centric 13:38, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S. You've inadvertently (I assume :D) inspired a little niche category of edits I can be getting up to. See User:Egg Centric/Pedantry and my recent contribs. Egg Centric 13:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

2012 Olympics reversion

Just a friendly note to explain why I reverted your change to the article, as my reversion could be seen as questionable. Neither of the two sources specifically states that there was a "lack of" budgeting, but rather that the budgeting done was inadequate or wrong, which is better represented by the phrase already used. I realize that an error in budgeting can be seen as a lack of, but since this was a lead section statement I feel its more important to keep it concise and brief, using the phraseology used in the references. I have no objections though to saying, in the controversy section, not the lead, that the "inadequate" budgeting was seen by some as a "lack of budgeting", subject to a reliable source being found that says this. Ravendrop 19:55, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Understood and it isn't a problem, I don't take things like that personally! Truth be told I knew I was sailing a bit close to the line so it was partly an experiment to see if it would stay. Egg Centric 19:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

PROD

It often takes a little while before someone gets around to handling expired PROD's. Putting them on ANI as soon as they expire isn't helpful and may attract the wrong type of attention. 75.57.242.120 (talk) 22:49, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, what's the wrong kind of attention? Egg Centric 11:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Your username

is another example of a HILARIOUS joke/pun. 195.43.48.142 (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

re: Toast

I noticed the warning you placed on my talk page regarding Toast however when I went to investigate what happened...nothing had been reverted or restored...just a warning on my page. I had originally reverted the addition of 'You can also get French Toast' then realized that was not clearly vandalism at the time. As you are probably aware, reverted vandalism must be indisputable and I thought that addition could possible be argued in the article so I undid my revert as well as removed the warning from the user's talk page. Now I can see the user is currently blocked, and majority of their edits were reverted so I removed their contributions. Carmichael95 [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 00:20, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

No worries at all! I thought it was bizarre because I use a lot of the auto tools as well. I thought maybe it could be due to the semi-protection of the page but then I noticed that we both have 'reviewer' so that shouldn't have caused an issue there. Like I said, no worries at all - completely understand! Carmichael95 [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 01:02, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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My Recent RFA

Hello and thank you for your recent support in my last RFA. I have unfortunately had chosen to withdraw my RFA with a Support of 7 and Opposition of 26 and 0 Neutral. I am in good sprites to attempt a possible RFA in a later time with more experience. This seems one of the main concerns expressed by the Wikipedia community as well as fixing my grammatical errors.I hope you support me in my discussion to withdraw and I am looking forward to your support in a future RFA's and other edits made by myself here on Wikipedia.

Thanks Again,

Staffwaterboy ^{Critique Me} 00:45, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:AVERYGREATDEALOFCAPITALLETTERSTHATULTIMATELYREDIRECTTOTHEARTICLEREGARDINGTHECONCEPTTHATONWIKIPEDIAONEOUGHTTOBEAGIANTDUCKRATHERTHANASMALLOREVENMEDIUMDUCKSOTHATWECANBANYOU listed at Redirects for discussion

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Please see [4]. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hi!

Re. "one of my favourite and most respected editors here [..] you sound pissed off" [5]

Thanks for the nice words about me! No, I'm not angry. Honestly!

As I said, I won't waste more time in the RfD, and won't comment on that further. However, I wanted to assure you - I am not "pissed off" or anything like that.

I was just stating what I thought, in a direct way.

I apologize if I gave the impression that I was annoyed. I'm really not.

I've stated my opinion, and I really don't mind what happens in the RfD. - that's it, honestly; nothing more, nothing less. No bad feelings whatsoever.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  11:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Cheers bud, glad to hear it - let's carry on where we left off ;) Egg Centric 21:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Block

Your account has been blocked indefinitely from editing because it is believed to have been compromised. Note that edits to your user talk page might not indicate that you have regained control of your account. If your right to e-mail and edit your user talk page have been revoked, contact ArbCom at arbcom-llists.wikimedia.org. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 22:22, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Egg Centric/Archive 1

Admins, please note [6] [7] and ? [8] and [9]  Chzz  ►  22:27, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Am not compromised one bit. Have emailed blocking admin so as to not cause a fuss (if a discussion is needed it's best to keep it private I think) Egg Centric 22:28, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps you can explain the edits I noted above, then?  Chzz  ►  22:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Briefly, since I'm going to bed and this won't be resolved tonight... the first two of the edits you brings up are targeted towards (but done by me) a certain troll/vandal I happen to know+... I was, as it were, trolling them back on behalf of WP... their girlfriend (I think)+ did the 3rd edit for them as their IP is banned and the 4th edit, well sod knows who that is - could be anyone, encountered them using STiki, it may be on a deleted page, I'm not sure, but you'll be able to find it.

+Yes, yes, I know, but it is the honest truth.

Anyway, night Egg Centric 22:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Neither this response, nor the email you sent me, convinces me to unblock you. As you can see, I've opened a sockpuppetry case in regards to this whole matter. I'm going to wait until that side of things is cleared up before continuing with this. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 23:19, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, I'm confused... in any case I intend to continue this by email, if you don't mind, rather than on the talk page. Egg Centric 17:17, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Alright, email it is. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 19:45, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

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Unblock

I've decided to unblock you, as you've demonstrated that you can be trusted to edit again. You seem to understand that trolling is inappropriate, even if the trolling is directed at friends you know off-wiki. I trust you will only continue productive editing, and raise no more concerns about the security of your account. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 19:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much, GW. To anyone else lurking, my deepest apologies for the trouble I've caused. There are some things that have had to stay off talk page (in particular, an explanation for what was going on) but rest assured that this behaviour won't happen again. Egg Centric 19:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Autoblock still in effect

Very unfortunate that I have to post this as my 2nd edit after being unblocked - and given the amount of time admins have spent on me already please do not see this is a priorty - my only intention was to apologise to Chzz as the other involved admin above, and then to take the evening off to reflect (and enjoy spagbol)... but it seems I still can't edit anything other than my talk page! Hope the following helps:

This user's request to have autoblock on their IP address lifted has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Egg Centric (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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• Blocking administrator: GorillaWarfare (talk • blocks)

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Accept reason: Oops, that was my fault. You should be set now. – GorillaWarfare ^{talk • contribs} 19:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Reply

User talk:Chzz#So sorry about all that...

 Chzz  ►  19:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Knowledge to action

I'm definitely sympathetic to getting rid of this article, & the chief problem was that most of the people who !voted wanted to keep. (And I'm definitely getting gun-shy of preferring the arguments over counting noses.) The problem is with finding good grounds for a convincing deletion argument. One would be to thoroughly research both this company & its business niche in order to show that it isn't notable; that's what I do in similar cases, even though proving a negative is a tough row to plow. Another might be to show that this company gets unwarranted attention from having a Wikipedia article; I don't know how well that would go over, but if I learned that a given business of marginal notability was using its Wikipedia article to claim it was, say, "a leader in its field", I'd be inclined to vote delete. A final, & perhaps the best, approach would be to simply forget about it. If this business doesn't try to turn this article into an advertisement, & no one pays the article any attention, then what harm does its existence cause? (I hope no one is making important decisions solely based on the presence or content of Wikipedia articles.) Eventually someone else will find it, decide to try again to delete it, & may succeed without you having to lift a finger. -- llywrch (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I'll go for the latter, but mostly cause I've had a rather hectic weekend (my weeks are always hectic :D) and I'm feeling very lazy ;) Egg Centric 18:42, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

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RE: glasses

No, I did it on purpose. I had photorefractive keratectomy surgery a while ago and don't wear corrective lenses anymore. And what's wrong with Comic Sans? bahamut0013^words_deeds 12:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

see this Egg Centric 08:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Chzz asking for help

Hiya!

This request might seem a bit...odd, out-of-the-blue, or whatever...but bear with me; I am looking for a few random Wikipedians to help me out with something...and after our recent communications, I wondered if you might be able to help.

There's a liaison project between Wikipedia and some universities (currently, USA, and re 'public policy' - it's a trial) - the students write an article as part of their uni course.

Two specific courses have only a few weeks left, and I want to help them; what they need is, comments and feedback on their two articles - and some interaction with the Wikipedia community. Hence, getting random folks involved might really help!

The article Education policy in Brazil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) was started by Elizabetsyatbu (talk · contribs),

The article California Proposition 19 (2010) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is, re. lorink (talk · contribs) abond112 (talk · contribs) Dross33 (talk · contribs)

If you could provide any comments, feedback, suggestions, or other interaction - to help with this - that'd be superb.

I hope you don't mind my asking. Any little comments to those users, and/or on the article talk pages, would be brilliant; thanks so much in anticipation...I'd really appreciate it. Cheers!  Chzz  ►  04:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

This user is up to no good!

Don't trust him!

NJW (GS) 82.25.188.231 (talk) 10:15, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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• Thanks TT; I came here to say the same thing. And as I click "edit" to agree with you, I see that pink notice right above. Drmies (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

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Quick help request

Where is it you go to ask for views of uninvolved editors in fairly simple (i.e. non-bitter, no entrenched sides, no bombings etc) content disputes again? Egg Centric 22:33, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:Dispute resolution ^Gavin _Perch talk 00:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Userbox

Would I be correct in thinking that if TT removed his 'indictment' of BoP from his user talk page, you would be willing to revert the edits to your userbox he finds so offensive? Regards, Bob House 884 (talk) 20:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Heck, I may even do it unilaterally ;) I just can't stand bullies, that's all. Egg Centric 20:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Strong suggestion

Egg Centric, THIS is completely unacceptable, and in more ways than one. I don't know what started it, but I would strongly suggest you remove it. Feel free to leave me a diff, but my "initial" reaction to this would almost assuredly vote oppose at any RfA you wanted to have. Like I said, I don't know how it started, but either way ... two wrongs don't make a right. Feel free to leave me a diff, and I'll look things over tomorrow, I'm too tired to research enough to actually "block" anyone tonight, but you need to tone it down. In case you're not familiar with it .. see WP:NPA thank you and good night. — Ched :  ?  03:43, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Believe me I've no intention of ever running for administrator! My sense is that producing a gazillion diffs against teflon tag is pointless, he's done so much damage to the project already (see his editor review, for example) and gotten away with it that I can't see how he won't slither his way out of any more blocks... basically I think I will have to keep an eye on him and step in quickly if I see him bullying any more users. Egg Centric 05:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

OK. Now see this is exactly the type of thing that can quickly grow out of control. I'll offer my own personal views, and you're free to delete it, or tell me to "piss off" or whatever. (that's Me personally, other users can be offended by something like "piss off", but this ain't my first rodeo either.) Anyway .. I read through your user page, some of your edits, etc. Not so much to "find anything", but more to get a feel for the type of person you are, and your communication style. I noticed that you've already been through some blocks and such, and it's still pretty early in your WP career. I understand that you're comfortable with blunt conversation, and I just wanted to mention that WP communication is a completely different animal than "the bars (or pubs), the workforce, chat rooms, IM stuff, email .. etc. We have some very strict rules (like the WP:CIV, WP:NPA etc., and some folks are very diligent about enforcing things about that. This is a very diverse culture at Wikipedia: we have people from very different backgrounds, religions, histories, cultures, age groups, etc. So communication needs to be very ... ummmm ... sanitary, if you will. A couple things in your reply to me that stick out.

1. teflon tag ... A HUGE no-no. You simply can not distort another editors name. I've seen huge arguments over some very minor things like this. (even unintentional mis-spellings have generated heated replies) It's insulting, and simply shows very bad form. We must strive to always be respectful of our other editors, discuss the "content" of the posts, and NOT the actual person behind it. You might want to read through WP:POINT as well on that one.
2. he's done so much damage to the project: Your opinion, and not fact. Stick to the facts. Again, this is insulting to the editor that you post about. I don't deny that some people feel there are issues with TT, but he's put himself up for an editor review, and is working to address those concerns. We should always assume good faith of our fellow editors.
3. slither his way out of any more blocks .. the term "slither" is pejorative, and is a snide, snarkey term, and it's simply not a good practice to get into.
4. I will have to keep an eye on him and step in quickly if I see him bullying any more users. Actually this is a pretty bad idea. We're not here to "keep an eye on anyone". Nobody, not even admins., should be spending their time on WP to "monitor" another editor's efforts. It simply leads to all kinds of problems. see: WP:STALK, WP:HOUND, WP:HARRASS for more info.

Now, you may be tempted to say "but that's what TT does". I would respond that 1.) Two wrongs never make a right. 2.) By doing the same thing, are you not putting yourself in the same position as the very behavior you are attempting to point out? 3.) TT is attempting to get feedback from his editor review, and communication style is not something that changes overnight. Give the guy a chance to at least try to change. In other words, be nice.

Another point: TT has been here a lot longer, and has a lot more "good" edits to point to when he is called out for any indiscretions. So yes, he is going to get a bit of "benefit of the doubt" a lot more than a new user. I know that's not quite fair or right, but it is what happens in practice. Trust me, there are plenty of eyes on TT, and if things don't continue to improve, then he will suffer repercussions as well. You might want to read through WP:BITE, and WP:STICK as well.

Now, it's up to you how you take this. It isn't meant as running you down, I'm simply trying to give some advice that may be helpful. I know there's a lot of "links" I'm throwing out there, but I don't know what you've read and not read. You are free to ignore this, even delete it, just don't ever say you "weren't told". You're welcome to come to me anytime if you're not sure about something. If I don't know the answer, then I'll try to find someone who does. If you feel the need to blow off a little steam that might contain criticism about another editor, (or me), in blunt terms, then feel free to hit that "Email this user" button and talk to me. Right now you're drawing a lot of attention to yourself, and it's not always the best kind of attention. Best of luck. — Ched :  ?  16:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to write this Ched, I do appreciate it, and in fact I pretty much agree with everything you're saying! The only place we disagree (in what to do next) is where it comes to checking up on him - others have tried but have gotten the brush off. Now I have no interest in seeing whether he complies with policy yada yada, but I will never accept bullying, and if I see him bully other users then I will call him on it, maybe not directly but at least by notifying someone (you may have inadvertently nominated yourself to be that person, please tell me if you wish to retract it ). That is a personal decision I came to many years ago. Ironically, I'm possibly in a better position to do this than most users because of the lack of a "proper reputation" that I have to worrying about defending - it seems that whenever one points out even an egregious case one gets at least one other "enemy" from it, for psychological reasons I'm not sure I fully understand (but interest me). I can afford to be outspoken.

So that's where I stand.

Cheers,

Egg Centric 16:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Yea, I have no problem being a "go to guy" if there's an issue. You'd be surprised how many emails I get a day asking for some sort of advice, or can I do anything? stuff. (Although I've never really been quite sure why?) ... anyway .. have a good one. — Ched :  ?  17:20, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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I've tried to respond helpfully at my talk page :) Bob House 884 (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 11:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

haha, you have a barnstar Egg Centric 18:46, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, mate. It means a lot. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 19:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Understandable. Try not to get too emotional. Egg Centric 19:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Moving a page with lots of links to it

{{helpme}}

I believe there's some bot or some other thingy that will help me move a page with lots of links to it (i.e. correct all those links at the same time). Could some kind lady or gentleman (or one of the lower orders) please direct me to it?

Egg Centric (Esq.) 18:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Scott, sir! One does not simply put out a call for help from random members of the lower orders. One asks one's housekeeper to engage the services of such a person, and then has them recompensed in accordance with the going rate of underpayment (because one can always sneerily find minor imperfections if one looks hard enough). You have broken the mould of tradition and unforgivably embarrassed us all. Consider our friendship at an end. As you leave Wikichester Manor Towers Heights Court Abbey, you will find the gun on the dresser near the door. Good day, sir.  :) -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 21:21, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The bot runs automatically at intervals. Have a read at WP:MOVE. The important things to fix are the double redirects - if any. If it is such an established page, then you should really consider proposing the move at WP:RM - assuming there is agreement, then an admin will do the move.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I plan to move floor trader to local - for most locals are off the floor now, and in actuality that is what the floor trader article mostly describes. I may instead create an article about locals and start sorting through links to floor trader to see what makes more sense one way or the other... Egg Centric 22:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

2nd helpme request of the night

I'm typing this in the middle of a party. I have to be up for work in 5 hours. If I had sense, I wouldn't be on Wikipedia at all. Where can I "summon" editors to watch an article for me that is being edited with all sorts of shite? Egg Centric 23:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

What's the article? -- Samir 00:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

RFC/N discussion of the username "I Jethrobot"

A request for comment has been filed concerning the username of I Jethrobot (talk · contribs). You are invited to comment on the discussion here. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 17:16, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Um ok, a bit late now anyway. I guess I'm flattered you think I'd have had anything useful to say about it Egg Centric 07:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I just saw some of your discussions on AfD, and thought you would been informed enough to have an opinion on the matter. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 09:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah ok. Well for what it's worth I'd have !voted that you should keep it - I think anyone who would actually be confused after a moment's investigation is probably not fit to be in a position where their confusion matters Egg Centric 09:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

27 Club protection

Hi Egg Centric, it seems that another admin has fully-protected the 27 Club article in light of the edit-warring there. I'm sorry that it wasn't me who protected the page after you left your message on my talk page. Acalamari 20:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

TreasuryTag

Umm, I'm confused: what kind of response did you expect? I didn't realise that you were expecting any response on any part of your comment. I'll happily respond once I know what you'd like to know. Nyttend (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I think it best to leave everything except for statements directed at specific users: those are prohibited by policy, but general statements of this sort aren't. Standard practice is to leave userpages the way their creators make them, except for general maintenance (e.g. if the userpage has an image that's moved to Commons under a different name, so the filename needs to be changed to allow deletion of the local image), policy violations, or indefinite blocking of their creators. Since TT hasn't been indefinitely blocked, removing a statement that isn't in violation of policy really isn't a good idea. Nyttend (talk) 17:57, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Death of Mark Duggan AfD

Hello,

Though I am sure you were acting in good faith, I am not sure that it was wise for you to do a non-admin close of this debate. Please review WP:NAC which says such a close is OK "absent any contentious debate" and recommends avoiding such a close in the case of "controversial topics".Given the intensity of this debate and the controversial event involved, with many people recommending other outcomes, I believe it would have been best to let an administrator close it. That being said, I admire your boldness. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Howdy,

I used to live in a place called Cullen. Anyway, yes I read NAC beforehand and it was a tough call and I can see why you would disagree with my doing it - briefly, my reasoning was that this was a place where I could IAR - basically people's time was being wasted, emotion was running high, the event was raw and frankly the full repurcussions weren't known... and importantly, the deletion discussion was bringing wikipedia into disrepute and although it may seem very unliekly it's not impossible that it being there could be pissing off some of the more easily inflamed yoof... basically there were all these little reasons why it was unhelpful it being there, and it wasn't accomplishing anything. So going for the path of least drama I figured to close it, making clear it was a non admin closure, and if anyone objects enough they would reopen it.

Hope that helps and thanks for the feedback!

Cheers,

Egg Centric 21:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Cullen

Thanks for the link to that article. It's a name that's been part of my family heritage for four generations, and my grandfather, who died 60 years ago, used it as his first name. Actually, it was his middle name.

I won't say more about the AfD because I think the outcome is fine. Best to you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:05, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Are you of scottish ancestry soemwhere in the (not-so) distant past? Egg Centric 22:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I am an all-American mongrel. Supposedly about three-eighths Irish, and who knows just who they married over the generations. A bit of that might be Scottish-Irish. About one-eighth "English" but that was all mixed up and some ancestors go back to pre-Revolutionary War days. Maybe a trace from Alsace-Lorraine. Some Swedish, some Norwegian. Who knows what else - a few knaves and rogues without pedigrees. I have Catholics, Protestants and Jews in my family. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thank you very much, Egg Centric. I am especially honored because you have praised the trait that I have consciously tried to bring to this wonderful project. As for the family origin of "Cullen", I had always assumed it came from Ireland. However, my grandfather died the year before I was born. My father showed no interest in things Irish, as his ancestors had been here since about 1850. He scoffed at Irish-American sentimentality. So I never knew for sure. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

TreasuryTag

I've re-cut the statements about me. I don't agree with your removals, but calling someone too lazy to avoid a bad block is definitely a violation of WP:NPA, especially since the block was for 3RR, which is essentially an automatic thing except in very specific cases, which this block wasn't. Nyttend (talk) 21:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Parts of his statement weren't about anyone in general; for example, there's nothing wrong with saying that you've concluded that RickK was right. Nyttend (talk) 21:22, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The Official Suriel1981 Kitten Of Boldness

Awarded to you for being bold and applying common sense in your early closure of the Mark Duggan AFD!

ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 23:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Suriel, much appreciated Egg Centric 17:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Formal request

Stop posting, anywhere on Wikipedia, suggestions [10] [11] that I have any form of addiction to Wikipedia in particular or to the Internet in general. It is considered harassment and will not be tolerated. ╟─TreasuryTag►stannary parliament─╢ 17:56, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Formal Response

I disagree with your characterisation of it as harrasment, it clearly isn't, but will do so except where to do otherwise would be incoherent. Egg Centric 17:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

You disagree about what you like. Making baseless accusations of psychological disorders, across various pages on Wikipedia, is fairly obviously harassment, as is much of your behaviour towards me, most of which I have diffs of and all of which will shortly be coming out unless you stop your absurd crusade against me. Do something useful. ╟─TreasuryTag►Osbert─╢ 18:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you do something useful? Egg Centric 18:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I would do if I didn't have to contend with stupid lynch-mobs being roused up by you every few minutes. I am not planning to continue feeding you right now because I'm sure you have a long list of constructive on-wiki tasks you need to be getting on with. ╟─TreasuryTag►high seas─╢ 18:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

You're funny. Egg Centric 18:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with your assessment that your actions are not harassment. They clearly are could be! Under the a perceived guise of concern you allege the existence of some form of medical addiction which 1.) you are likely not experienced to diagnose and 2.) if you were you would be explicitly violating Wikipedia's policy against giving medical advice. You really should cease with that form of counsel. IMO - My76Strat (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

It depends how one sees addiction. It can be seen as a state of mind, not just a simple medical condition. And there was no "diagnosis", I was just going by what he said. And the concern is genuine, incidentally. I just don't believe that some people are simply jerks. But whatever, it's irrelevant now. Egg Centric 18:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Please, please, please, stop it. TreasuryTag has already asked you to stop bothering him so please do! I'm blocking the next person to throw a jab at the other. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 18:52, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Stop what? I haven't done anything at all. Egg Centric 18:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

TreasuryTag

Hi

I see you've been having trouble with our mutual friend recently! I prefer editing as an anon, and he's gone and protected his talk page so I can't "pop the question". Could you ask him exactly why an "established editor" such as himself feels the need to childishly demand off other admins that I be blocked? It's extremely petty, and all simply because I've been trying to remove an inflammatory and completely unnecessary rant from his user page. Thanks! 94.2.240.29 (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Probably best off asking someone else as it'll either lead to a load of aggro or more likely just get reverted without comment. I could have a stab at answering your question myself but again... that is likely to lead to aggro and as others pointed out I am not a psychiatric professional Egg Centric 17:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Mark Duggan

Please reconsider your closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of Mark Duggan, especially claiming it is a "snowball"; please check WP:NAC and WP:SNOW. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  02:08, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with someone else re opening it, as I stated at the time. I won't personally reopen it as it will just make things extra confusing . As for NAC and SNOW, I decided that my closure was within the spirit of policy, even if technically against the letter of the regulations. Again, feel free to re-open or close with a different rationale, I won't take offence (although I do think it would be pointless) Egg Centric 17:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think I'll use DRV or anything; I just wanted to ask you, in future, please carefully consider any NACs; I don't think that one was uncontroversial, nor do I think it was SNOW - there were some quite well-reasoned arguments for merge/redirect, and the discussion was ongoing; a few more days wouldn't have hurt.

(Aside: Clearly, I do have opinions about those types of case - I worry that we're becoming too much of a news-service, and I worry when current/breaking news coverage in low-quality newspapers appears as F"fact" on Wikipedia. But, that's a more general concern - and needs discussions elsewhere)

That's all; thanks for reading. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:38, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Question

How do I get a list of all the pages I've created again? Egg Centric 17:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Click on "my contributions", then scroll to the bottom of the page. There is a link that says "Articles created". Or click here. TNXMan 19:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Canvassing

I'd like to hear what you think at Talk:Anders_Behring_Breivik#Proposed_compromise. causa sui (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

TT Harasser(s)

Not that IP (based in Massachusetts - behavior is different as well). I was thinking about an IP-hopping editor based in England that's been very actively harassing the same user. If the "Ttwatchr" "Ttstlkr" (ad nauseum) accounts are all found to be in England, that would be a mighty significant coincidence indeed. Doc talk 22:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it would be a coincidence, they're all going to be the same person, pretty clearly. And I expect that quite a few of his "less civil friends" will be from England given he is too and the overlap of editing interests. Now if you can suggest a particular region of England I may lay you some odds, at the moment it's a sucker bet Egg Centric 22:32, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Are all the accounts are using Easynet is actually a better question. The Ips all show to be listed as from London on this ISP. Doc talk 22:36, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll give you 2-1 on them being in London. Interested? Egg Centric 22:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay - this one, for instance. Any similarities in the IPs of the named accounts, I'm wondering. Doc talk 22:46, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to clarify, are you interested in the bet and if so how do you want to go about payment arragnemetns (paypal? donation to each others' nominated charity?) as well as verification process (friendly CU?) or do you want a sportsmans bet? If the latter then I think we should do this on ANI so that we have as many eyes as possible rather than the two of us playing detective Egg Centric 22:50, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Definitely a sportsman's bet ;> I prefer gold ingots, FWIW. All I want is a CU to say: "The named accounts are conclusively excluded in regards to being from England like the IPs." It's a huge world, after all. AN/I or here, I don't care. TT is a controversial editor from what I've gathered, but he's certainly an editor in good standing who is being harassed in a way that is unacceptable. Doc talk 23:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

A sportsman's bet is one where no money changes hands (and thus 2-1 is nonsensical in that context) - the victor wins... the satisfaction of knowing they were right. I don't do that many sportsman's bets

There is a huge difference between London and England, by the way (appreciate it seems different over there). My 2-1 odds were on London, not England. If you want to bet on the culprit being based in England it would have to be 2-1 on at the very longest. Egg Centric 23:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

As my userpage notes, I've been as far north as York (and beyond to Scotland) and also down to sunny Penzance. England is gorgeous, unbelievably historic and incredibly varied. London is in the list of my three favorite cities: New York and Amsterdam being the other two. The IPs all say London, but I don't know if that is reliable. No IPs I've encountered have been from anywhere but Easynet in London (that I know of). Still no takers on my bet on AN/I anyway - let's let the "pot" grow and see where this goes... :) Doc talk 23:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha ok Egg Centric 18:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Lembit Opik

Thanks for being my first interaction on wikipedia! It is not normally considered good English to have a noun repeated in a sentence if it can be avoided so that sentence needs rewriting if you insist on that format. PorterO'Shea (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Haha you're welcome. How about now?

P.S. My bolding above Egg Centric 12:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice. Bloody bloody sentence :o PorterO'Shea (talk) 12:53, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

I took the liberty of reordering the sentence - it stated that they moved to Northern Ireland after its annexation by the Soviet Union and I'm pretty sure Northern Ireland was never annexed ;) Richard 07:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Oreos displace Newmans

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thank you Egg Centric 18:41, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

TT

D'you think you can hold off from commenting on the guy for a while? I'm sure it won't help him turn himself around, and I'm sure you can find other things to do. Thanks. --88.104.46.22 (talk) 18:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

This is already my policy. Best, Egg Centric 18:09, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, funny...

But I deleted you comment at 92.29.195.208's talk page per WP:DNFT. The more attention we give to LC the more they will keep being disruptive. --Jayron32 23:35, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

LC is User:Light current. He edits from dynamic IP addresses based in the northwest of England, usually Opal Telecom IP addresses. His questions are usually of a prurient or scatalogical nature, and are very easy to spot. If you see a question about sex and/or poop from an IP address, and its from Manchester, its LC. --Jayron32 00:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that's Manchunians for you. Anyway, I have to go to bed now, have a good one Egg Centric 00:45, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Re BoP

It's not eligible for revdel. Best thing to do is not draw additional attention to it, hence my WP:AN edit. 28bytes (talk) 21:29, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Responding by email (for reasons that will be clear in email) Egg Centric 21:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Help request

Where do you nominate a category for renaming? Egg Centric 17:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

You can make a request at the category's talk page, but that (usually) won't get very much traffic. The best place to nominate it would probably be at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Cheers, Samwb123^T-C-E 18:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! :)

Hi Egg Centric, thank you for your appreciation for my contribution to the state leaders articles! It's a very nice surprise that you noticed and even took the trouble of expressing it. :)

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If you don't speak Spanish, why do you want to move a page? XD

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Not proven baronets?

Hi. You queried an edit of mine i.e. " .... What is this all about? I actually thought it may have been placed there by some confidence trickster in preparation for a claim to be nobility... but clearly not. Still, I am confused.... Egg Centric 23:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC) ..... "

I am not sure what byou mean as I have referred again to the official Bt website and find that the Hogg Baronetcy is still unproven. See http://www.baronetage.org/succession-to-baronetcy/ --Gavin Lisburn (talk) 21:56, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry

That page is not for humor.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:33, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem Egg Centric 04:37, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I wish there was a page in Category:Wikipedia humor for that.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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A template vandalism warning? Seriously? Egg Centric 14:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

List of fairy tales

Question about this comment: do you have access to scholarly sources you've read and synthesized, or is it simply a question of not recognizing some of the entries? Before threatening a purge, as you've done here, please check sources and references first. Truthkeeper (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Note

What is [13] this supposed to mean? A request for self-block? Materialscientist (talk) 23:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Some vandal/member of anonymous/general nutcase tells me not to disrespect "Jimbo Prime" so I let him know exactly what I think of "Jimbo Prime". If you want to block someone, block them. Egg Centric 23:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I see. Please stay calm and WP:Civil. Such tone may get yourself blocked. Materialscientist (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm entirely calm, I am just engaging them on their level Egg Centric 23:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

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Is there a universal editnotice for myself? E.g. the editnotice for this talk page says wibble. I would like to make an edit notice for myself that I (and only I) will see on every page when I try to edit it. Is this possible? If not, is there a way of acheiving something similar? Egg Centric 23:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

You can modify your user CSS to do so ;) The MediaWiki ID thingy is "editnotice-area"; you could use the code

#editnotice-area { border:1px solid #BBB; }

to add a border (I think)

HurricaneFan25 — 00:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for replying but that wasn't what I was asking. I would like to see some text chosen by me on every edit page. For example, a checklist. Presumably that's doable with javascript. I don't have any real practical experience with javascript, and what I do have was well before AJAX came along, but I'm surte if a mock script was created then I could hack it to change the text. Or perhaps it could get the text from another wikipedia page? Is there somewhere for script requests? Again, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this is a fairly common request and something like it at least already exists. Egg Centric 15:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

• I would recommend checking out the specific Wikiproject, found here. If you don't find what you're looking for, feel free to leave a message on the project's talk page or contact one of the project members directly. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 16:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

As noted, I think you could do this with CSS. You'd have to use the :before or :after CSS pseudo-selectors (you can use these to generate a slab of boilerplate text), which are pretty obscure, but it ought to work. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Egg Centric. You have new messages at User talk:Jasper Deng/Permissions.
Message added 00:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I'm on content work now, not really much into vandalism patrols. Jasper Deng (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Different in principle

Yes, actually, there is a huge difference in principle between my home address (which is not publicly available) and the email address of a company which is published on their web page.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 04:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

There are both differences and similarity. I referred to the similarities, you are concentrating on the differences. Also, just to be very clear, that was in no way a veiled threat, I neither know your home address nor if I did would I ever reveal it. Egg Centric 13:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, diff was a poor example for you to include if you did not want to be interpreted as using Wikipedia to make threats. Your remark was less "veiled" than, say, phoning someone up at random and saying "do you know where your children are right now?" I suggest you seriously reconsider your approach to these matters. --Fæ (talk) 13:32, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I will of course reconsider it because the possibilty never even occurred to me until I saw that I had new messages and I wondered why it would be taken here. Still, my gut instinct is that one only sees a threat there if one is predisposed to look for threats. But I will be extra cautious in future and apologise to Jimbo if he saw it that way. Egg Centric 13:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Egg Centric/list of bastards

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User space

Hi Egg Centric, I just wanted to let you know that, to create a user space page, you should not use Egg Centric/list of bastards, but User:Egg Centric/list of bastards instead. I have tagged the previous page for SD. Thanks! ZZArch ^{talk to me} 20:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Doh! Good point, careless slip on my part. Cheers, Egg Centric 20:55, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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question about a post of yours

Just wondering where this discussion ended up? I couldn't find it: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_16#Community_Ban_Proposal. Thanks, stmrlbs|talk 03:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I found it. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive229#Community_ban_proposal:_User:Malcolm stmrlbs|talk 04:05, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Your user page

I have deleted it as you asked: the whole history is preserved so that, on request, any admin can restore a particular version. WP:REFUND would be the place to ask. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 23:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Egg Centric 23:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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• EdwardsBot (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

why are the only admins pro-circ?

rather a stacked deck, huh? (they even censor your talk page)Humanist 41.43.31.52 (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

It would not be accurate to say that "the admins" are pro-circ - afaik there's only two of them. However, they both know wikipedia policy very well and are not afraid to use it. Meanwhile, the "anti-circ" lot know very little about wikipedia so are not able to counter policy based arguments effectively. I would not class myself as particularly "anti-circ", incidentally - I consider it mutilation and I feel it should be illegal in pre-pubescents except for medical reasons; however I'm not involved in any activism beyond what you see on the circumcision talk page, and expressing my views if I am asked in the pub. Basically, 99% of people just don't care that much. If a couple of wikipedians who were well versed in policy yet also against circumcision got involved then I have no doubt a genuinely neutral article would appear.

I also feel I should note, in fairness, the most egregious acts of unbecoming conduct come from the "anti-circ" side. Partly this is, I suppose, an issue where it is not really possible to be that passionately pro-circumcision (and it's passion that causes uncivil conduct): there are only three real reasons I can think of - cultural (primarily but not exclusively jewish - while there are many more circumcised muslims than there are jews, it is part of jewish identity [we can add another small item to the litany of suffering caused by religion here]), fetishistic, and profit-motive. I doubt there are pro-circumcision editors here who are out to make a profit, so you can draw your own conclusions about the pro-circs who really care. Although of course people can get interested in all kinds of things so one can never be sure.

To be passionate against mutilation hardly needs much explanation.

Just my thoughts and worth precisely what you paid for them Egg Centric 19:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)