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Potential Trigger Warnings in Alice

Hello EchidnaLives, You wrote that the edit(s) you made to Alice (South Korean TV series), did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. I do not know your background so I cannot judge why you believe the addition of trigger warnings are not constructive. Trigger warnings are absolutely essential to people suffering from PTSD and they are not provided anywhere that I could find. And I am saying that as someone who suffers from PTSD. So I would really like to know why you think so. Estelle4565 (talk) 10:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Estelle4565,

Please read Wikipedia:Trigger warnings and Wikipedia:No disclaimers. If you are trying to say that I do not care about this, please leave my talk page, as I do care. This is the policy of Wikipedia.

Thanks, echidnaLives (talk) 10:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @EchidnaLives

Thank you for directing me to the page. I made no personal accusations towards you. I simply responded to your "did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted". Your response sounded like a personal opinion rather than a Wikipedia policy. If you had from the start pointed me towards the Wikipedia:Trigger warnings page it would have been more contructive for everyone involved and you would not have felt personally attacked. It was defininately not my intention to imply that you do not care. That is why I asked for a clarification.

I read the "Wikipedia:Trigger" page you directed me to. According to the page itself:

"This is an essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints."

In the above sentense it clearly states that "nor is it one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community". So it is not a Wikipedia policy. It is the opinion of 4 Wikipedia users.

If you have a different opinion I would welcome a clarification.

Regarding the "Wikipedia:No disclaimers" page.

"A disclaimer in a Wikipedia article is a statement or warning that the article is not appropriate, suitable, or guaranteed for some specified purpose."

Trigger warnings are not statements or warnings that the article is not appropriate, suitable, or guaranteed for some specified purpose. It simply warns the user of the presence of certain themes in the tv-series. Whether the viewer wants to watch the tv-series or movie or read the book is up to them.

If you have a different opinion I would welcome a clarification. Estelle4565 (talk) 11:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Estelle4565

I use the Recent Changes Patrol tool Huggle, which has preset messages. The edit clearly wasn't vandalism, so the message I chose felt like the most appropriate for the situation. This is why it wasn't initially linked.

I linked the essay as, although it isn't a guideline, it explains one more than the Wikipedia:No disclaimers. However, if you look at the No disclaimers page, you will notice that this type of disclaimer is not mentioned in Acceptable disclaimers.

I know you have good intentions, but the guidelines are against this. This isn't my area of expertise, so I would recommend asking the Volunteer Response Team at Wikipedia:Contact us/Readers for more info.

Thanks, echidnaLives (talk) 11:18, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello @EchidnaLives,

> I use the Recent Changes Patrol tool Huggle, which has preset messages. The edit clearly wasn't vandalism, so the message I chose felt like the most appropriate for the situation. This is why it wasn't initially linked.

I understand. Thank you for the clarification. For future reference you might want to edit the preset messages to fit the situation and also to include an explanation in your reply so there are no misunderstandings and the person whose edit was reverted will have a clear understanding of the situation. :)

> I linked the essay as, although it isn't a guideline, it explains one more than the Wikipedia:No disclaimers. However, if you look at the No disclaimers page, you will notice that this type of disclaimer is not mentioned in Acceptable disclaimers.

Thank you for the clarification. I still disagree with your interpretation as a "Possible Trigger Warning" section at the bottom of the page would not function a disclaimer to the page in my opinion, as it is not about the wiki page itself but the tv-series as a whole. You are right that talking to the experts would indeed be the ideal solution in this case. Thank you for pointing me to the relevant wiki page. :) Estelle4565 (talk) 13:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Dear @EchidnaLives,

I thought you might want to know this for the future. I received a reply from the Volunteer Response Team regarding the Wikipedia:Trigger warnings page. They said that the contents within indeed do not reflect Wikipedia policy and should not be cited as such. Please read their answer below.

Quote:

Note the disclaimer at the very top: "This is an essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints." If you wish, you could communicate with the author of the essay, as it is that author's personal opinion, and not a Wikipedia community policy. Estelle4565 (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

You said I made a change with no citation. What change are you referring to?

You said I made a change to the J6 Committe article with no citation. What change are you referring to? WordwizardW (talk) 00:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC) misspelled "J6 Committee" WordwizardW (talk) 00:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @WordwizardW,

Apologies, I seemed to of made a mistake.

Feel free to add it back.

Sorry for the inconvenience. echidnaLives (talk) 01:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Recent edit

You recently reverted an edit I made on The Superjesus page as there was no reference. How do I site a reference if there is nothing in the net about this yet but it is true? 203.217.82.86 (talk) 13:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello 203.217.82.86,

Welcome to Wikipedia! Please read Wikipedia:Citing sources to learn more.

Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Pending changes reviewer granted

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Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.

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Femke (talk) 16:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK nomination of G-Class Melbourne tram

Hello! Your submission of G-Class Melbourne tram at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:09, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Your signature

Your signature is adding more than 1000 characters each time you post, across 6 or 7 lines. Please reduce it. Step hen 05:03, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

@Stephen oh damn I'm so sorry. I'll do that now. Thanks for telling me. echidnaLives 05:13, 24 October 2022 (UTC). (I've manually typed it)

Would this be better? echidnaLives - talk - edits. 05:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

That’s much more reasonable, thanks. Step hen 06:45, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Not adhering to neutral point of view? No, censorship.

Either you or the bot which you operate accused me of 'not adhering to neutral point of view' by mentioning of the American Democratic Party's history in regard to slavery and segregation. Editors should likely not be trying whitewash the less pleasant points of America's past. But have no fear. I will not be helping this enterprise with my 'vandalism' anymore, so your happy fantasy world is safe. 104.151.0.194 (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello 104.151.0.194,

This material should be on the relevant pages, not the pages of uninvolved governors.

Please read WP:NPOV in depth for more detail.

Also, I reverted it myself, without using a bot. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 23:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)