User talk:Dissident93/Archive 5

Congrats

For sending The International 6 from AfD to GA! Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 11:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vulkan Github

Why would the official Vulkan Github that is actively updated, not able to be a source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jules789 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jules789: Because it's all user submitted and not really something that is stable? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 02:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The KhronosGroup Github which the log is from is not user submitted... It's the same guys who created Vulkan... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jules789 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jules789: Cool, but that doesn't change the fact that Github itself is not an ideal source, as code comes and goes and it could be hard to verify the information, unless directly linked to or something. If it's really that important, then clearly other sources should be reporting on it, right?

Death Stranding PC version.

A source of this does not exist, it has been deleted. All the websites that talk about a PC version refer to a deleted Q&A. If you want to verify it try and contact Sony Eu community manager Lucas Liaskos (@PadPoet) who is according to reddit the source of this Q&A. It could be that they are trying to hide the PC version but we can't unsourced rumors on wiki.

If you have anything new on this please let me know.Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 02:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Virtuous.Gizzard: I'm aware, however you shouldn't be removing third-party articles that discuss the possibility of it. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: I don't understand why you insist on this: I should be removing third-party articles that recycle rumors. ALL of the third-party articles that mention the possibility of a PC version cite a Q&A that was never verified and that's deleted. There is no source. Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Virtuous.Gizzard: I'm not arguing for the PC version being real, but you're just removing facts because you don't think it should be there. Doesn't matter if the Q&A turned out to be false, it was (at one point in time) reported on by mainstream media, and that's enough to be included in the article in past tense. We don't remove articles on the Earth being flat and other old myths and legends just because they turned out not to be true, do we? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

you're just removing facts

No I am removing unverified rumors, the very definition of what we as editors are supposed to do. You are bordeline vandalizing the article without showing any sources. You are forcing me to monitor the article on a daily basis.

You called the sources "third-party articles that discuss the possibility of it." & "facts". On both instances you are wrong, they are not discussing, they are reposting a rumor. You are not helping me see how this should be on the wiki page. Even the reddit page that brought it up was locked. If you want to get ideas for the page follow the wikia page:

http://deathstranding.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Stranding

Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Encyclopedic content must be verifiable

Please remember that "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". Your edits ARE NOT VERIFIABLE. Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 15:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Virtuous.Gizzard: Just because something was deleted doesn't make it automatically invalid, that's why the internet archive and third-party sources exists. Multiple reliable sources state that it existed and was later deleted, making it verifiable. I'll continue to revert your removal of the info until a larger consensus is brought up, because right now you're just removing it because WP:IDONTLIKEIT without stating another other WP policy. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No I am not removing anything because I don't like it. I have been trying to explain the situation as best as I can and you keep replying with the same one sentence excuse. I am deleting it because it has, in fact, been extensively discussed on the reddit page that originally brought it up and the wikia page of DS.

The Q&A is credited to a EU Sony community manager, who never verified it when reached numerous times for a moment. The Q&A names no names to begin with. Who is this man within Kojima Pro to begin with that talked for the company ? Reliable sources are often wrong with big rumors that make the rounds. Merely saying a rumor exists and pointing to reddit does NOT make anything verifiable.

I am trying to keep the article fact based and you are not helping. "a larger consensus" has in fact been reached as I said above, if you had been following the discussion but even that is irrelevant to wikipedia. You cannot keep adding information that is not based on anything.

Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 04:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi VG, please keep this discussion centralized on the article's talk page: Talk:Death Stranding czar 06:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My bad taking this discussion to Dissident93's talk page. I will continue on the article's talk page Virtuous.Gizzard (talk) 06:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

Hello Dissident93: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 22:31, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Regarding my edit on a cancelled Intelligent Systems game on Wii U plus other information.

Hey, I have yet another complaint regarding recent news that surfaces online, Regarding Intelligent Systems cancelled Wii U game that I posted, there was no other news (yet) other than the YouTube video posting the news. So I waited until there was official news about it. And that's why I posted the news from Siliconera about 10 minutes ago. As for other news which doesn't apply to the game. News such as various Super Mario Run stuff should be posted when news approaches. Is there any way Wikipedia articles can be updated with information as news comes? Why is that so difficult? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 19:42, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Zacharyalejandro: If it's not by a reliable source, then it doesn't belong, it's as simple as that. See WP:CRYSTALBALL for related policies too.

Rob Kelley

I did an minor edit adding that Rob Kelley started the season as the third running back and won the job in four starts in place of Matt Jones. You reverted it and said its "obvious" since Matt Jones has been a healthy scartcg for four games now? Unless somebody follows the redskins, they wouldn't know that. I'm not a redskins fan and I didn't hear about Rob Kelley until he began playing. That's why I stated he was their third running back to begin the season. Toeknee44 (talk) 19:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redskins roster

Hi I noticed you commented on the revision you made to the Redskins roster and I just wanted to clarify some information. Rookies do sign multi-year contracts initially, but both those players were released during final roster cuts, thus voiding that multi-year contract. Both those players were signed to the practice squad which is a new contract, then when they were promoted, they sign a new contract, typically for one year. At the end of the season, that contract expires making them an exclusive rights free agent. More often than not those ERFAs do get re-signed by that team since it doesn't cost them much to retain them. Just wanted to clarify that with you. Thanks!

@Jrooster49: Yeah, I forgot that happened and didn't realize it would affect things. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Legend of Zelda

The IP appears to be running a script given the rapid vandalism. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jim1138: Any chance of a quick semiprot then? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A previous IP was blocked and returned as this one doing a different article. See User talk:Materialscientist#Mike Ehrmantraut Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 04:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy XV

You removed a whole section without even consulting with the previous editors first. No text was unquoted and all sources were verified.

And? It was unsourced and even the stuff that was used sites like Gamefaqs, which isn't reliable. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:30, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gematsu

My bad on SM Run, I didn't realize Gematsu is still an RS. --MASEM (t) 02:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Final Fantasy Brave Exvius

I'm gonna tell you one bit about how you reverted a lot of things and called my sources invalid because you are STUCK on the English version of the game. A-LIM is credited as the developer here and GUMI is a publisher, period. And you always shoot it down as "invalid, invalid, invalid source don't care". If you don't go to other sources or just acknowledge the Japanese version exist, then what's the point of the page existing? It's a Japanese videogame, let it have some Japanese sources and not restrict it to american sources.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's because when I first created that page, it was A-Lim who was credited as one of the game developers, waaay way back when the page is created. It's not like it's removed when you edited it because you see it as unfit.--BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 13:12, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And how does that change the present day, where the information may have been changed? The official website doesn't make mention of this company AFAIK. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rust's Vulkan support

Hey, I've been searching for a bit now for a source that says Rust supports Vulkan but was unable to find one, where did you find the information? It could be included in the development section. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Anarchyte: Per this tweet, but I'm not sure if how fully implemented it is in the game, if at all. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 09:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. It seems it's just a simple update, no need to include it in the development section. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Source of The Snack World delay (you undid my edit of the page 'Level-5 (company)')

Hey, I wanted to tell you why I think my edit of the page Level-5 (company) wasn't false. The truth is that at Level-5 Vision 2016, the company announced that the mobile version of The Snack World would release in April 2017 and that the Nintendo 3DS version would follow later, in July 2017. (see also "Gematsu".). In fact, I got the information from the home page of Level-5's official website (in Japanese) and the same is shown on the official website of the game itself (see also "the official website of The Snack World".). Scroll down to the end of the page. It says "[Android/iOS] 2017年4月予定", which means Android/iOS scheduled in 4th month of the year 2017 (April 2017) and "[ニンテンドー3DS] 2017年7月予定", which means Nintendo 3DS scheduled in July 2017. So I'm sorry, I should've addressed my source of information better, but I want to clarify it this way. I hope you agree that my edit can be un-undone again. :) Sincerely, TheLegendaryN (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Odyssey

If you don't mind, could you clarify the consensus regarding the lead section on Super Mario Odyssey? The talk page there is completely blank and I'd like to avoid making another mistake. Michael Ivan 07:57, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MichaelIvan: It's a general WP:VG guideline, which can be found here. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 07:58, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Podcast

Just heard your name come up on a podcast about the Sonic 3 soundtrack. Spent 15 minutes thinking "Why do I know that name..." Popcornduff (talk) 07:18, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Popcornduff: From the "interviews" I did around 2012/2013, probably. What podcast was it? I believe I was also mentioned by name in the Gametrailers Pop Fiction episode on MJ/Sonic 3 a few years back too. I didn't mean to create news, I was just personally curious at the time (and still am, but not enough to bother anybody with it anymore). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 11:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It was the Super Marcato Brothers podcast, which I only just started listening to. The MJ connection is definitely super interesting. Popcornduff (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Popcornduff: Oh them, I remember Karl (one of the brothers) from way back when he was still doing the Sonicesque series. I think I even sent him some suggestions or something for his music, but I can't fully remember. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 11:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Positive reviews

You can receive positive reviews for a performance. Like in a film... Toeknee44 (talk) 19:23, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Toeknee44: I understood what you meant, but it's usually better to state that he was highly graded/ranked, as is usually more standard to say in sports. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 11:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic Gems Collection boxart

Do you have the license to add video game boxart to Wikipedia? Sonic Gems Collection needs its boxart, and I don't have the right to... (TheJoebro64 (talk) 12:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

@TheJoebro64: No, and I doubt that anybody on Wikipedia does (unless they work for Sega). But WP:NFCI states that fair use is given to cover art (for use in infoboxes), which is how all the other game articles are able to use them. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 12:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice! Uploaded it with next to no problems. (TheJoebro64 (talk) 20:32, 30 January 2017 (UTC))[reply]

You got namedropped in LMH!

	Video game music authority
	Hey Dissident93! You got namedropped by Brent Weinbach on the latest episode of his Legacy Music Hour podcast! Props! ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summary question

What were you asking about here? Lizard (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lizard the Wizard: I meant to ask if they are really supposed to be separated into both kick and punt returns, but I remembered that NFL.com also does them like that. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(I'm watching this page) Ah, I thought you might have been asking about his missed field goal return touchdown that the NFL refuses to make into its own statistic, even though it's happened about a dozen times now. Lizard (talk) 07:04, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lizard the Wizard: Oh sorry, that's actually what I meant to ask in that edit, but I must have not changed it after all. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 07:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A page you started (Tank Troopers) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Tank Troopers, Dissident93!

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about my edit ;-;

You said a DAW is not an instrument. Ok. Then how do you explain the fact that in many artist's pages the daw is in the instruments section?

For example: http://prnt.sc/ebzfwq — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigDim (talk • contribs) 12:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Answer me please BigDim (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic '06 good article review

Hey, I just wanted to ask if you could assess Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game); I just nominated it to GA status. TheJoebro64 talk 17:15, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eiko Shimamiya and discography articles

I am cross-posting this from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan because I'm not sure how active that is. You are listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Music task force as an expert on video game music, which seems to be the correct sub-genre for this artist. I would appreciate your insights.

I may have stumbled upon a WP:WALLEDGARDEN with regards to this singer, and would like a check from experienced editors in the genre. The article on Shimamiya herself is sources to a music school's webpage where she is apparently a teacher, a blog, her Twitter, the webpage of her production group, and Anime New Network. Overall, not an inspiring bunch of sources, and ones that raise WP:RS concerns. The articles on elements of her discography are even worse, being unsourced or sourced to a single database track/personnel listing. There are no significant links in to these article from outside the garden (i.e., from a single to an album or and album to a single to the artist). Attempting to satisfy WP:BEFORE on these articles is not showing anything significant in English sources or searchable using the transliterated titles. Out of an abundance of caution, before being so deletionist as to mass-nominate her discography, I am bringing the matter here for (hopefully) expert insight. Thank you in advance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Eggishorn: She doesn't seem to be connected to the video game industry, as I've never heard of her. I'd just bring this up to AfD if I were you, as I don't see any good reliable sources (preferable in English) on her. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:10, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93:, thanks for the assistance. I'll probably multi-Afd her and the recordings together later. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:33, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated the artist, and am waiting to see how that goes before deciding what to do with the discography. Your input there would be helpful, I'm sure. Thanks again. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism is promising

Kirk Cousins' page has by far been the most vandalized this off-season, which strikes me as odd because there are lots of more "deserving" targets. But I guess that's the price of being a successful quarterback playing in the nation's capital. I think the skins are on the brink; they just need to find this generation's John Riggins to carry them over. Lizard (talk) 17:27, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He's been in the spotlight for the last few months, and will continue to be until he signs a long-term deal with a team. Also, the Redskins having one of the league's worse defensive units/coaching staff for the last five or six seasons is the real reason holding them back. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a Saints fan, I can empathize with the defensive struggles. Lizard (talk) 03:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment regarding Nintendo Switch game releases...

I was editing the Nintendo Switch games list, and what I noticed is that you are reverting some edits were are deemed correct in sorting. One of them is using this: 2017|04 instead of this April 2017, hence why when sorting, it doesn't appear correctly. So will you take a look at the other game pages like the PlayStation 4 list and take some time to look through and see the difference why this needs to be made? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article template

Wow, sorry to be late to the party, but I just now saw this edit. (I don't have it on my watchlist and I didn't even realize that your changes weren't in my initial template design.)

Anyways, just wanted to thank you for that, I appreciate it. Also, I don't know if you ever ended up using the template or not, but you're welcome to it if you ever want to. (Not that I could stop you, honestly, but still, I find it helpful, and it'd be great if others found it useful too.)

Also, thanks to Lordtobi as well - I see you also tweaked it at one point as well. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 17:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo Portal "In the news" section

The "In the news" section is vastly, vastly barren. If you look at other portals, their News sections are updated frequently, such as Sega's portal. As Nintendo is the largest video games company of the world, their Portal should reflect that, and updating the News section every six months isn't very akin to that.

We can keep it the way it is, or, we could;

Have console, major video game releases there (such as big blockbusters like Zelda and 1-2-Switch)

OR

Have the News section like the Sega portal's; with mini-sections for upcoming games and released games, and we could add a 'Other News' section to report other major news, like the change of CEOs.

If there's no visible reply until the 20th, I'll revert the changes you made. No hard feelings. You can reply to me here, on my talk page, or on the Nintendo portal talk page.

Thanks for reading, and with much love

The King of Prosecutors (talk) 00:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Manfred von Karma: The portal should be used for major company wide milestones, and not game releases (which we would just add to every few weeks). I fail to see how 1-2-Switch's release is more important than the death of the President, which caused a major reshuffling of their internal divisions and staff. The launch of the Switch is enough, and handles that anyway. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:50, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: I see what you mean, but the death of Iwata (rest in peace) happened two years ago, in 2015. Doesn't really reflect a 'current event', as the name of the section suggests. This is why I want some more items in there, but I see what you mean by games being insignificant. As I said before, the death of Satoru Iwata happened two years ago, so yeah, I'd say that 1-2-Switch and Zelda are more of a current event than Iwata's death. Also, I'm talking about adding Nintendo-published games, which, from Wii U standards, are only every two months or so. I just don't think it's a great look to a new user of the Nintendo portal to see that news from 2015 is still there; they'd think the portal is inactive or something. That's how it was when I came. The King of Prosecutors (talk) 00:40, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- - @Manfred von Karma: I know, but we shouldn't be adding games to the list unless they did something major, like win multiple game of the year awards (as Zelda might), or be in the news for major controversy (like the Hot Coffee mod or something). If you really want to add a recent list of games, then it should be anothe separate portal, which I'd be fine with. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:00, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: There should be, like, a seperate section on the portal front page, not an entirely different portal as you said. But I agree with you.

The King of Prosecutors (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- @Manfred von Karma: Well that's what I meant. Don't have an issue with a list of first-party Nintendo games being listed in a portal, just keep it separate from the main one. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:06, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: Thanks for the tips! The portal looks much better now, and seems more active to those who click it! :)

Sonic Forces Image

If you look at the transparent image from Deviantart, you will see that the "R" is a different style. Not to mention I follow the user on twitter who made the image. The picture I uploaded came from Roger Craig Smith (Sonic's VA) himself and Aaron Webber, so it is the official image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePersonFrom2 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ThePersonFrom2: Fair enough. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:20, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stylized game name

Hey! I thought this was a fairly standard practice in VG articles per MOS:TM/STYLE, such as flOw or something. Any particular reason we shouldn't do it here? — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 13:34, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hellknowz: Honestly, it depends. Something like amiibo being lower case should be mentioned, but a game just in all caps due to the font used, I don't think we should include that in the lead. That being said, if other disagree, then I wouldn't fight it. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:00, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

what infobox documentation?

I thought it was relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetechwizard21 (talk • contribs) 21:19, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

For what article? See this. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 14:19, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Square EA

Hello there. First , I come in peace and I don't want to start an editing war. Second, regarding your reverts of my edits to both Kingdom Hearts (video game) and Xenogears, Square EA actually was a thing between April 1998 to March 2003 before the Square Enix merger. The front of the boxes do have the SQUARESOFT logo, but back of box, opening of game and in-game credits say Square Electronic Arts L.L.C. was the publisher. You also can simply Google it if you like. Zidane4028 (talk) 05:52, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, though I own the games and do not remember ever seeing them credited as the publisher. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk)

They should be credited as such in the games. The words "Published by Square Electronic Arts L.L.C." are literally the first thing that comes up when the game boots up proper after the system is turned on. Zidane4028 (talk) 07:07, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are MMORPG's always considered to be open world?

Just wondering, as I've always went by that assumption, but I've started to question it recently. That's why I added The Elder Scrolls Online, I knew that it's open world anyway, and if the MMORPGs are always considered open world, then someone could easily revert it. I've been confused by this lately because sometimes, someone will add an MMORPG into the category, even though it's already in the MMORPG category.Dohvahkiin (talk) 01:47, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dohvahkiin: MMORPG implies that it's already open-world to an extinct. Can you think of any that aren't? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:30, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Additionally, MMORPG has open world video games as a parent cat. -- ferret (talk) 16:44, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both valid points. Like I said, I knew this already, it's just lately I've been doubting it because people add MMORPGs all the time.Dohvahkiin (talk) 17:02, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

People do things all the time that aren't, strictly speaking, correct. When in doubt, simply ask. ;) -- ferret (talk) 17:15, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Playerunknown's Battlegrounds

Thanks for the heads up on the unreliable source. Interview looked legit, and Inven is a big site. New to Wikipedia, so getting my feet wet. Appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaverickWithGoose (talk • contribs) 18:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@MaverickWithGoose: I tried looking for a reliable source that did mention this interview, but couldn't find any with a quick google search (but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist). Try to use the sites listed at WP:VGRS for any future citations on gaming articles, to avoid any issues like this. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:15, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Dissident93: Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the assist on it.

New user help...

So, I'm kinda hoping you could possibly help with this. There's a user that's just using an IP address, and he's adding games into the open world category without citing sources. I've been checking over each one, and while some do have info on the web to back them up, most don't. Please look at his talk page, as I tried to tell him what he has to do, but I don't really think he gets it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:186.14.93.167 Dohvahkiin (talk) 04:12, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I checked each game he added to confirm whether they had info to support it or not, using the Custom Google Search Engine from the Wikipedia page on Reliable sources. The only two I found that had info to support them were Dukes of Hazzard and Way of the Samurai 3. Just wanted to inform you so that those are not removed. ThanksDohvahkiin (talk) 04:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dohvahkiin: Not sure what I could do here besides revert. You are better off asking an admin who is also a member of WP:VG. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 14:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About my recent edit in List of games with Vulkan support

While I understand your confusion, it seems you didn't read my previous edit summary or compared the changes, as Counter-Strike: Global Offensive entry was commented out by me due to edit conflict I had upon updating the article - I commented it in my edit instead of removing it to discuss the matter on the talk page, originally wanting to add I'll fully remove it after reaching consensus.

Instead, you reverted my edit that had other changes and addiction in it, wrongly assuming I only re-added the entry, and split the page (see my reasoning behind it the before-mentioned talk page. I am a slow at making the edits, so it took me a while to write it in addition to huge chunk already spend on editing the article and wanted to discuss the issue seeing we had different views on the topic. I'll re-add my other changes in the meantime, as I worry they will be lost in time, just this time without the splitting and any trace of Counter-Strike: Global Offensive entry, though I encourage you to look at my comment in the talk page in the meantime. Faalagorn ☎/✓ 17:42, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic CD

Hey, I was just going to ask you if you could help out in improving the page for Sonic the Hedgehog CD. I'm starting a conversation on the talk page there, on what needs to be improved/rewritten. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 23:01, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You're invited...

Note: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Navigation boxes in coaching articles (again) regarding the issue of whether or not the navboxes in coaching articles should be collapsed or stay as is. Please comment there and not here. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 22:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on whether Nier: Automata soundtrack releases should be included in Music of Nier article

Hello! You're invited to express your views at the relevant discussion thread. Jotamide (talk) 16:15, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The removal of most of the NSF article.

Are there any particular reasons for it besides "unsourced" or "guide-like"? Since those are your criteria for deletion of the content, the article should be deleted outright since none of it is directly sourced. The TNS hardware section in particular could have been entirely rewritten but a deletion is absurd, especially since the website of the manufacturer themselves was linked and was the only objective reference in the entire article. Much of the information you deleted is also easily verifiable, yet for someone so on the side of sources to the point of removing 60% of the page, you failed to provide any yourself during the edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.135.39 (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@75.74.135.39: The entire reasoning was because it was unsourced and too technical for the average reader. And if the only actual reference to the format was its own website, then it fails WP:NOTABILITY too. I'll nominate this at AfD, and see if others agree with you. You are welcome to provide any third-party sources in the meantime, though. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:06, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dissident93: Hold on, isn't nominating for deletion a bit too much? The article could be considered valuable to an entire Internet community that is open to new faces, and if it's considered to be too technical and lacking more sources then that could be easily fixed by any willing user. To me, this all seems to be too hasty. 189.224.227.63 (talk) 20:28, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dissident93: I wasn't suggesting the article be nominated for deletion (while I agree that a lot of the info was too technical). I was saying that if the deletions were due to unsourced info, then the solution was to provide sources or edit it for brevity, not simply delete the sections entirely. It was hyperbole.

Dallas Cowboys Roster Navbox

I'll keep the template the way you want it, but don't look at me should there be a Joey Bosa situation. They are not guaranteed to ever be on the active roster. It's probably about 98% likely, but never guaranteed. RevanFan (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@RevanFan: Can you name the last first rounder who didn't sign with the team at all? Teams are already assigning them jersey numbers, and many of them are listed in the active roster on team websites, so I don't see the point of separating them unless they begin to hold out into August, which used to be case before the 2011 CBA reforms, but not anymore (outside of Bosa). ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: John Elway - first overall pick by the Colts in '83, threatened to go play baseball if not traded, wound up with the Broncos. The rest is history... I have no idea what the context of this conversation is, but just figured I would answer the question... Patfass (talk) 06:24, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- @Patfass: Eli Manning in 2004 would be the last, actually. But what I really meant to say was what 1st rounder didn't sign with any team, not just the team who drafted him. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  @Dissident93: Bo Jackson? First overall pick and never played football in '86 - decided to play baseball, instead of joining the Bucs... ...alas - as I said, I have no idea the context of the original entry, so I'll just leave this alone now. Patfass (talk) 06:41, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Patfass: True, but one exception 30 years ago shouldn't make the rule, which was the point I was trying to make. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:45, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yu Kanda

Greetings, I have recently nominated Yu Kanda to FAC here. A user offered to copyedit the article, but he is now a bit busy. Could you give it a look or edit if you have the time? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 23:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: Any reason why me in particular? I have never even heard of this character or franchise before. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:14, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's better since the article needs to be written so that anybody unfamiliar with the series could understand it. If you are busier with other stuff, don't worry. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 23:16, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2: True, I suppose. I'll give it a look sometime tonight or tomorrow. At a quick glance though, it looked to be pretty well formatted. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:24, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hey there, it's been a while. Haven't seen on on FB, so was just checking how you were doing. Hope things are going well. Doommaster1994 (talk) 09:53, 7 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CfD nomination of Category:Dota 2

Category:Dota 2 has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 01:54, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm so sorry; I'm using this shitty laptop keyboard and I can't get anything right! DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 02:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Active roster templates

I see you have reverted my changes again. I've tried to engage you in discussion about this. I've given you my reasons for making the changes. You have assured me that there's a reason not to do it that way, but you haven't told me what that reason is. I will allow a period for you to return to a proper discussion; that failing, I will reinstate my changes again. If you revert again, I will take it up at WP:ANI. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Colonies Chris: I already explained on your talk page. If you don't like the reason, that's not my problem. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mario Party 2 emulated releases

Thank you for your active contributions, but instead of clicking undo on each of my emulated release date changes, would you mind simply moving the information to the correct area? This release date information, as well as citing it, are useful for discussions on rereleases and game issues (in relation to the lack of MP1 rereleases) but your actions seem to be discouraging that information being shared. BlinksTale (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BlinksTale: Read WP:VG/DATE. Exact dates in the lead are supposed to be generalized for readability, and emulated releases do not belong in the infobox, per the documentation. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dissident93: I don't disagree that the formatting has been incorrect, I am far less experienced in the particulars of Wikipedia compared to you. But simply clicking undo to my changes seems easy and no better than it is worse, especially when I am providing information the page lacks. If that information shouldn't be on the page at all, I just need that to be more clearly stated. But the page you linked makes it sound like it could fit in the development page instead. So why undo it instead of just moving that information?
  - - @BlinksTale: It's allowed in the article, just not in the lead and infobox. The article doesn't even have a dev section, where the detailed info really should be going. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:43, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arms (video game)

Hello, I see you have reverted my edit on Arms in good faith. I did know that similar edits to mine were reverted in the past, but no one else actually went to the talk page first. I did make a case on the talk page on 17 May 2017, except that no one gave a response. I was hoping that I could gather a consensus, but since no one disagreed (or replied at all), I decided to be bold and make the edit anyways. If you could take a look on the Arms talk page we could discuss my edit over there. Thank you! —TheAnonymousNerd^{(talk • contribs)} 23:34, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Orson Charles

The team also lists Jeremy Stephens at 85 as well when NFL regulations prohibit two players on the same side having the same number. This same thing happened before OTA's with Bennie Logan and Ricky Ali'ifua, it had them as 90 and it happens every year with several players. I think the webmasters just hear that a player wants a specfic number then they add it not realizing there is already someone with that number. So in this case, we should presume its first come first serve on the number--Rockchalk7 17 00:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Rockchalk717: I'm 100% aware, but who are we to argue what the team officially lists him as? He's listed as 85, and unless you can find a photo of him at OTAs with another number, we shouldn't argue the fact. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He just got signed. He hasn't participated in any OTA's yet. I think the opposite though. Until we see a photo at OTA's I don't think we should include any number. If Jeremy Stephens had an article I would be doing the same thing with his. I'm willing to argue against it because I've seen their online roster be incorrect for numbers on many many occasions. They even had C.J. Spiller's number as 28 for longest time despite 28 being retired--Rockchalk7 17 20:22, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Appears our debate is over. Found a photo of him wearing 85 so it looks like Jeremy Stephens changed his number.--Rockchalk7 17 03:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dota 2 Articles

Hey there! Just wanted to say hey and get in touch about some of the Dota 2 e-sports articles. I saw you were one of the primary contributors and figured it might be smart to let you know I wanted to work on some of the stubs and outdated entries. I'm new to the site but I want to get involved with keeping the e-sport sections up to date and looking good. I hope to work with ya in the future and I'm sure we could collab on some articles if you are up for it! cheers! Sur7ur (talk) 18:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sur7ur: Which ones do you have in mind? Most of the team ones can only really have final tournament results and major roster changes added to the article due to Wikipedia policies on reliable sources, which most of the dedicated eSports websites aren't currently counted as. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic Forces Custom Hero genders

It was, and has been confirmed that you can change the gender of your Avatar in Sonic Forces. Take a look at this trailer that's been released a month ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5x1yL2kGT0 You can clearly see a cat with eyelashes. 90.153.240.44 (talk) 11:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I still see no evidence of this? At least point the exact timeframe in the trailer. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:51, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Around 1:05. And if that's not enough evidence, I also found screenshots of female Avatars. #1: https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/8/89/Sonic_Forces_5-16-17_Promo_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20170517123436 #2: https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/8/8c/Sonic_Forces_5-16-17_Promo_3.png/revision/latest?cb=20170517123729 90.153.240.44 (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, but I still don't see any evidence of gender selection. The 1:05 part you linked to just shows hats, and both of these screenshots are way too small to see any detail. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:06, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - You obviously haven't seen the Avatar preview to your left. And my guess is that when the game gets released, we'll decide the gender of our Avatar. 90.153.240.44 (talk) 20:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you can't find a direct statement from Sega or another reliable source, then we shouldn't assume it has this. See WP:OR ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:11, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Alright, I fixed the links for you to get a closer view, both are on Sonic News Network(and maybe from an official Sega minisite for the game). #1: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sonic_Forces_5-16-17_Promo_1.png #2: http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sonic_Forces_5-16-17_Promo_3.png 90.153.240.44 (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        ...On second thought, let's just wait until the game gets released this Holiday. 90.153.240.44 (talk) 20:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        I see is a feminine-like cat character, but that doesn't actually confirm anything. This game could just have both gender features without actually picking one or the other, we don't know yet. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Italicizing Wikilinks

Hey, thanks for your edit summary on Arms (video game) letting me know that I italicized the wikilink by using a piped link (which was pointless and incorrect). I have seen this before and I was thinking "why would anyone do this" yet I ended up doing it myself unintentionally (such a rookie mistake). When using the VisualEditor, it automatically formats italics on a wikilink using a piped link, instead of placing the italics around the entire wikilink. I would not have caught this info without your edit summary, so props to you (and now I know to make sure to Source Edit the italics)! Maybe they could modify how the VisualEditor treats the italics on wikilinks... —TheAnonymousNerd^{(talk • contribs)} 01:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAnonymousNerd: Interesting, I wasn't aware this is how VE treats it, I already assumed it would format it in the way that the MOS says too. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:31, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ways to improve Miitopia

Hi, I'm Chris troutman. Dissident93, thanks for creating Miitopia!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. We need more reliable, independent sources on the subject.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Chris Troutman (talk) 07:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The game has coverage by reliable sources, I was just waiting until the English version releases in July so that even more would be published. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nintendo portal; current events

Hello Dissident93,

You reverted the addition of the twenty-fifth anniversary of Kirby's Dream Land (and thus the Kirby series) from the current events section of the Nintendo portal, citing that it should be left for company and industry news. Yet, isn't one of Nintendo's best-selling franchises' twenty-fifth anniversary integral to be present as part of Nintendo company news? It isn't like I'm adding that Captain Rainbow's having a half-birthday or something, it's Kirby's twenty-fifth birthday. Can we at least discuss its place on the newsboard? ~ Manfred (talk page) 08:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Manfred von Karma: I don't see how it's any more important than the release of a new console, or a game winning multiple GOTY awards (as Breath of the Wild and Mario Odyssey are highly likely too). With that being said, I don't think I care enough to revert it a second time, as the time and energy is best spent on other articles and projects. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 08:17, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dissident93: Wow, ouch, but okay. I have my own projects on Wikipedia as well, I just enjoy updating the portal because it puts me in a zen mood, and it helps Wikipedia grow anyways. ~ Manfred (talk page) 08:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Witcher

The changes made to the lead of the article were to make it look like a professional article, not for the sake of change. Format listing is not a vital piece of information so I moved it to the paragraph dealing with the release, this is in part because it could be an 8-bit game or a puzzle game or whatever, the format mostly speaks of graphical level more than anything else but it could be omitted entirely and you can still understand it is a video game, and in part because the formats can expand with time and re-releases making the lead sentence look cluttered with various additional dates and qualifiers. The year is there to establish the era of the game, in one sentence you are told the name, the era which speaks to contemporary cultural and technological capacities, the genre type and the format, in this case video game.

These aren't controversial changes but the impression I'm getting from your comments is that it doesn't fit your style, which is fine, but I know it isn't policy or a guideline, and I know that it is not a reason that an article would not be promoted to FA/GA short of you being the reviewer for that FA/GA and requesting so, so please don't claim that it is the standard, or keep reverting the change without discussion it outside of short hand comments in the edit summary box. I've opened a discussion here with you so I hope you will take the opportunity to use it if necessary. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkwarriorblake: I'm just referring to recent FA promotions like Final Fantasy VII. The year is already stated below, so mentioning it twice is just redundant, like how saying it's an RPG twice would be redundant. I never said it was wrong, just worse off that it previously was. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a requirement, the Final Fantasy article would've been promoted with or without it. Saying it's an RPG twice would be redundant, but stating the year and then 2 paragraphs later stating the initial release date are not the same thing nor are they serving the same purpose. And saying it's worse off than it previously was is saying it is wrong. I can assure you, having raised many articles to Featured status, that it is not wrong, it's an improvement on a tired way of opening video game articles. If you need an example, your page says you've worked on Stardew Valley, the full second and third sentences of the article are about what platforms it is and isn't out on or maybe out on before we even know what it is about. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just worse than the opening of Witcher 3. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 20:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkwarriorblake: Well I still respectively disagree. In the two years since release, nobody from WP:VG or otherwise felt like the opening needed to have the date there until you. "It's a 2015 video game that released in May 2015" is pretty much what is summarized there. I've also worked on promoting articles to GA/FA, and again this issue has never come up before. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The plot has been overly long since at least march 2016, is your argument that because it wasn't fixed then it should not be fixed now? It's as much a design choice as including images of the actors involved, which wasn't done until I went and asked Doug Cockle if we could. I said that it wasn't a requirement to have the year there, nor is it a requirement to not, the opening sentence is a summary, the date being there later doesn't matter because it can be re-released in 2017, 2020, 2030 on different formats with upgrades and modifications, but the opening sentence will always establish that the Witcher 3 Wild Hunt is a 2015 action role playing game. Someone coming to the article as an outside should have an idea what the game is about immediately, lists of formats and specific dates don't achieve that. Your perspective with GA/FA is your own, I've personally elevated games to FA with the year there and it hasn't been an issue either, so it's not a problem to have it there. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 21:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkwarriorblake: Not sure why you're talking about the plot. My issue is the "2015 video game" followed by "released on 19 May 2015". The entire lead should serve as the introduction, if you can't trust the reader to read more than the opening sentence, then that's your problem and not mine. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:43, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents: It's very atypical to say "a 2015 video game". This is not the common language used. There have been a couple of IPs a year or two ago who went on a spree adding this, but it was almost all reverted. -- ferret (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Bloodborne IE

See Template Talk:Video game release. WrathX again. -- ferret (talk) 13:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

About the "daw is not an instrument" crap

Yeah i know a daw isn't an instrument, then why is in instruments section in other artist's wikipedia page such as martin garrix etc?

Is there a way i can add that he uses a daw anywhere? I really want to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.164.184 (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, it shouldn't be there as well. An artist using a DAW isn't that important, as almost every sort of composer/electronic music producer uses one. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:35, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Switch Games

You removed my edits regarding the availability of cartridges for games, with the comment "this was discussed prior on the talk page" - yet I have looked everywhere and found no such discussion. Can you please point me to where exactly this was discussed? I would surely like to understand why the decision was made to not include something I find to be VERY important, especially in regards to Switch games...???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patfass (talk • contribs) 15:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Patfass: Did you check the archives? There were multiple discussions that had most of the editors against any sort of physical/eShop distinction. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:34, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Dissident93: I'm new to the Wikipedia contributions - so no, I didn't check any archives. I only checked the Switch Games "talk" page and saw no mention of this. Frankly, I wouldn't even know where to look for these archives that you're referring to - do you have a link? As consoles are moving closer and closer to a "digital only" world, I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't find the availability of the physical characteristic (or lack thereof) of a game, to be an important (if not, critical) fact to be recorded. If there aren't going to be dedicated tables for "physical" and "digital only" releases, how does the addition of a single yes/no column hurt anybody or make the page any less informative or readable??? I honestly find this to be a very short-sighted viewpoint and I would be happy to take this up with any other 'editors' that were against this - I only ask that you point me towards where these conversations were had, so I can state my case. Patfass (talk) 01:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The archive is here. It boils down to (often new) people wanting the data included, but experienced editors pointing out the issues with including it. The biggest problem is meeting Veritibility, a core Wikipedia policy. Everything on Wikipedia must have a reliable source. Physical releases simply have no sourcing available, except in very rare cases. Since we cannot verify the data, it can't be included. We can't add it based on editor's personal experiences or knowledge either, there must be a source to refer back to if someone wants to check it. Please don't edit archives, you will need to start a new talk section if you have a new argument that hasn't been presented. Understand that Wikipedia is not about voting. It doesn't get included just because enough people say "I want it, I think it's important". Arguments need to be able to follow policies and guidelines. -- ferret (talk) 01:40, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferret:: I totally agree with things that are posted, having to be verifiable - that's obviously a critical aspect of Wikipedia, otherwise the whole system is useless. That said, what exactly has to be 'sourced' when a game is either physically released or it's not? Either I have the physical cartridge (disc, etc.) in my library and it can been seen on any Gamestop shelf - or I don't have it and/or it doesn't exist. It seems like a fairly black & white issue, no? Sure, there are some games that will be announced as 'physical' and then the publisher changes their mind (or, vice versa), but then those items can always be corrected - but that's another point about Wikipedia (the fact that it's a living and breathing "fact website", one that can change and evolve over time). There are release dates posted for EVERY game ALL THE TIME - and yet, those dates absolutely fluctuate or change (or sometimes get canceled altogether), and so the entry is simply updated to reflect that change. I just don't understand why on earth we wouldn't want to have the physical aspect of a game, noted somewhere in ANY game list - again, as I mentioned, especially for this generation and future ones as consoles in general, move closer and closer to a "digital only" world.

If you're absolutely that concerned with whether this particular bit of information can be sourced or not, Nintendo themselves have a category on their website when looking at the games list "At retail or Nintendo.com" - is that enough of a source for the games that have been released? How about those that are actually available for purchase (not pre-order, but immediate purchase) on a website? Is that enough of a source? What exactly would pass the "smell test" of something that has been properly sourced in this particular case? How about a picture of the cartridge in it's box - would that pass as a source? Does Wikipedia not have a policy for 'generally accepted fact' such that in cases like this, if a game is physically available for purchase, it doesn't need a source (I exist, therefore I am)? Or, if I were to look up respiratory systems, I would find somebody having sourced the fact that humans need oxygen to breath. I'm not trying to be snarky here (ok, maybe a little), it just seems like this really shouldn't be such a sticking point when listing games for a gaming console.

I'm not looking to start a "poll" as to who does and does not want this information - I get what you're saying on that point. But I really don't see how the physical characteristic of a game wouldn't clear "guidelines and policies" when it's a fairly important (and OBVIOUS) fact. I'll have to assume you (and Dissident) are both gamers as you likely wouldn't be on this page or care about a list of Switch games - don't you see the value in being able to record the fact that a game has a physical version available? Isn't this factual information that's relative to the work being maintained on this website? I can't possibly be the only gamer that needs to know this information (which is a very different statement than, "I want it, I think it's important" - this is INFORMATIONAL VALUE, and something people ought to be educated about when viewing the list, which is the very purpose of Wikipedia). It is an absolute pain in the *** to constantly have to scour the internet to find this information out, when it could (and SHOULD) be logically maintained right here within Wikipedia.

Would it be acceptable to simply start another Wikipedia entry for "physical Switch games" and leave this conversation altogether? Or, would that page be taken down shortly after I invest the work??? Patfass (talk) 05:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- Look, I 100% understand your viewpoint. But just because something is considered helpful by some (not all agree that this is, as seen on with the previous discussions) doesn't mean it automatically should belong here, as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. And if it can't be verified by way of reliable sources, it doesn't belong. You making like the third or fourth attempt at changing this isn't going to change everybody's opinion from the previous discussions. But if you want to continue the discussion, you should do this on the talk page there and not my personal talk page. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:21, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- For the record, I believe it's a little more than just 'helpful' - it is an actual characteristic of the game (like a release date, publisher, etc.) but your point is taken about continuing this talk, here. You do realize that I was responding to Ferret directly (via your page, obviously), and that is due to the very nature of the internet and debates in general. I will move this conversation to the Switch Games talk page. Thanks. Patfass (talk) 06:31, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I know, I was simply saying that having the discussion there would have more people involved rather than just us three. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:39, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Garrix

Hello.
"DAW is not a musical instrument, it's a tool akin to a guitar pick" What do you suggest to be the proper instrument instead of DAW? "Computer program"? "Electronic device"? According to the Digital audio workstation page, DAW is "an electronic device or computer software application". It's not just a software, it can the device itself. So your logic (which implies that it's a minor tool) of it being akin to a guitar pick is negated. Please let me know what you think because Martin Garrix uses FL Studio which I think is a brand of the DAW instrument. - TheMagnificentist 03:28, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notice that discussion above about the same thing. As you mentioned "every other electronic musician uses DAW", that isn't necessarily true because many electronic musicians also use just a few instruments like piano and synths. Wikipedia:Other stuff exists is an essay, not a policy or guideline. - TheMagnificentist 03:33, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to re-add DAW. If you want to dispute, please take it to WP:DR. - TheMagnificentist 03:35, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom Hearts III

Re this edit: it was removed twice (here and here) by EtherealGate. I have no stake in this either way, but that is what I meant in this edit. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't see one editor not following a stated policy as reason for agreeing with him. Check out any recent GA/FA and you will see WP:JFN at play. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:22, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]