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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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Hi Director, I see you have not edited recently but I was needing your help with something. We have started an A-Class review for Nazi Germany and I was wondering if you could help with the image review portion? The question being asked is what is the source of the data for File:German Reich 1942.png, which is derived from an image you created (File:German Reich 1942.svg). I would appreciate your comments on this question if you have time. Replying here would be fine, or you could add source information directly to the file page if that is your preference. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
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Voting now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awards
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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Orphaned non-free image File:Flag of the Social Democratic Party of Croatia.png
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Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia
Hi, I just thought you might be interested in a notification about some big changes on the article of Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia and creation of this one: Triune Kingdom of Croatia--Havsjö (talk) 11:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Director: I hope you haven't disappeared...--Havsjö (talk) 16:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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Backlog Banzai
In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open
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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced
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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019
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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way mark
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The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020
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Nomination of Romance peoples for deletion
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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXVIII, April 2020
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Kulen Vakuf massacre
I know you are not very active lately, but I somehow think you might be the right address to approach with this issue.
I would appreciate your help with one issue that I think I found when I wrote an article about Kulen Vakuf massacre, a massacre of Muslims and Croats committed by Serb rebels in 1941. After I finished editing this article I realized there is one major and quite obvious mistake with it. I don't think there are major issues with following wikipedia policies. I think there is a mistake on major, conceptual level. To check if my perspective is right I deliberately asked several editors (members of WP Croatia, WP Bosnia and Herzegovina, WP Serbia and even WP Albania), even those editors with whom I had numerous disputes in past (having different perspective than me), to check what they think about this article, but I have not received any confirmation or denial of my perception. Will you please be so kind to help me and give me your opinion about this article and if you think there is some major conceptual level issue with it? Best regards,--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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Nomination of Leonardo Dudan for deletion
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Nomination of Emil Ragazzini for deletion
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Liberator has been nominated for listification
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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Fixed your talk page archiving
Hi! I took the liberty of fixing the auto-archiving settings at the top of this page. --rchard2scout (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Karl Marx has been nominated for deletion
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Condor of the Andes has been nominated for deletion
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint James of the Sword has been nominated for deletion
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Prince Henry has been nominated for deletion
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXII, June 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIV, August 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, October 2021
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Patches vs vehicle signs
G'day Direktor. Please just work through the 21st one with me rather than going around reverting my work, which is based on reliable sources. I would appreciate it if you would revert the other one. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Oh fine. But, Peacemaker me old mate - you're wrong about this one sorry to say: [1]. Sure, attested as vehicle symbols your "negatives" may be, but they were not the divisional insignia (patches). -- Director (talk) 08:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- One more thing: I apologize for the tone of the comment on my initial revert to the black patch. I had no idea it was you, I thought it had to have been some SS-worshipping Albanian nationalist who'd changed the symbol such that it'd be a black double-headed eagle (the Albanian eagle) - as opposed to a white double-headed eagle (which happens to be the Serbian eagle lol). -- Director (talk) 09:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- They are two different things, old fruit. The uniform patches were worn by troops of that "nation" within an SS division, ie in the 5th SS "Wiking" division, Finnish troops wore the Finnish patch (a lion rampant), the Dutch wore the Dutch patch (a Dutch tricolour shield). But the unit symbol was the one other units recognised them by, and it was stencilled on their vehicles and guns etc and used as a sign on the road to where the division was deployed, ie the Wiking division symbol, the Sonnenrad. Members of the Wiking division did not wear the Sonnenrad on a sleeve shield or anywhere on their uniform actually. Unit symbols have to be simple and easily cut out and stencilled. It is the same today. The paint goes inside the cut out eagle, not around it, although sometimes they would paint a darker square or circle on which the lighter unit symbol was stencilled. While there were "rules" the Waffen-SS used whatever paint was available, usually something that would stand out to an extent on camouflage or green/grey vehicle paint, white, cream, pale yellow, whatever. See File:SS Viking motorbike.jpg and File:Bundesarchiv Bild 101III-Altstadt-055-37, Russland, Panzer III, Waffen-SS-Division "Wiking".jpg for examples from the Wiking division. In any case, you can say it implies what you like, but as far as WP is concerned that is OR, and you do not have a reliable source for it. However, Keegan depicts the unit symbol exactly as it is in 21st Waffen Division of the SS vehicle symbol.svg. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Here's the thing: they wore both. At least the Skanderbegs and similar "international" SS units did. On the collar or right sleeve you had the divisional patch (with very few exceptions white symbol on black) - and on the left some sort of national arms. This was the case with the Bosniak Handschar and Kama divisions (who carried the Croatian checkerboard), and the Skanderbegs with their Albanian black-on-red double-headed eagle. Sometimes they had both, sometimes they didn't, but either way those are two different patches both of which would ideally be worn [2][3]. From the actual preserved militaria of the division, it's patch/symbol is obvious. Also have a look at the cover of a published book specifically dedicated to the history of the 21st [4]. I'll grant you it's not Keegan, but neither does it contradict him because, from what I can gather - he only describes their vehicle symbol. Whereas, yes, the SS Divisions actually did, as a rule, have "logos". Their divisional insignia. Far from OR, I'd say this WP:BLUE. You can literally just look it up with a quick search. I figured this actual pennant of the Skanderbeg division would resolve the issue [5]. -- Director (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's not BLUE, and Spandau Militaria isn't a reliable source. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Now you're just wikilawyering. There is such a thing as common sense: the SS divisions had actual specific insignia as seperate from their vehicle symbols - and they're not a mystery. Looking at the matter more carefully I find these collar tabs (depicting Skanderbeg's fabulous helmet plumage) also appear [6]. One way or another I don't see why we should use the vehicle symbol. The divisional insignia was certainly either a white eagle on black or the Skanderbeg's helmet - white-on-black. Just like virtually all SS Divisions.
- If you want to be technical, Keegan isn't a "source" for this at all: he describes symbols they painted on vehicles, not the divisional emblem proper. -- Director (talk) 10:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- To be 100% accurate, the title of the table that bears the symbol is "Badges of the Schutzstaffeln Divisions". Littlejohn shows exactly the same symbol as Keegan, and the caption says "official vehicle sign of the division". They are both reliable sources for this being the symbol/badge/sign of the division. The Skanderbeg helmet collar patch was not issued or worn by members of the division. As far as I am concerned, you have no reliable source for your contention. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 11:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- It's not BLUE, and Spandau Militaria isn't a reliable source. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- Here's the thing: they wore both. At least the Skanderbegs and similar "international" SS units did. On the collar or right sleeve you had the divisional patch (with very few exceptions white symbol on black) - and on the left some sort of national arms. This was the case with the Bosniak Handschar and Kama divisions (who carried the Croatian checkerboard), and the Skanderbegs with their Albanian black-on-red double-headed eagle. Sometimes they had both, sometimes they didn't, but either way those are two different patches both of which would ideally be worn [2][3]. From the actual preserved militaria of the division, it's patch/symbol is obvious. Also have a look at the cover of a published book specifically dedicated to the history of the 21st [4]. I'll grant you it's not Keegan, but neither does it contradict him because, from what I can gather - he only describes their vehicle symbol. Whereas, yes, the SS Divisions actually did, as a rule, have "logos". Their divisional insignia. Far from OR, I'd say this WP:BLUE. You can literally just look it up with a quick search. I figured this actual pennant of the Skanderbeg division would resolve the issue [5]. -- Director (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
- They are two different things, old fruit. The uniform patches were worn by troops of that "nation" within an SS division, ie in the 5th SS "Wiking" division, Finnish troops wore the Finnish patch (a lion rampant), the Dutch wore the Dutch patch (a Dutch tricolour shield). But the unit symbol was the one other units recognised them by, and it was stencilled on their vehicles and guns etc and used as a sign on the road to where the division was deployed, ie the Wiking division symbol, the Sonnenrad. Members of the Wiking division did not wear the Sonnenrad on a sleeve shield or anywhere on their uniform actually. Unit symbols have to be simple and easily cut out and stencilled. It is the same today. The paint goes inside the cut out eagle, not around it, although sometimes they would paint a darker square or circle on which the lighter unit symbol was stencilled. While there were "rules" the Waffen-SS used whatever paint was available, usually something that would stand out to an extent on camouflage or green/grey vehicle paint, white, cream, pale yellow, whatever. See File:SS Viking motorbike.jpg and File:Bundesarchiv Bild 101III-Altstadt-055-37, Russland, Panzer III, Waffen-SS-Division "Wiking".jpg for examples from the Wiking division. In any case, you can say it implies what you like, but as far as WP is concerned that is OR, and you do not have a reliable source for it. However, Keegan depicts the unit symbol exactly as it is in 21st Waffen Division of the SS vehicle symbol.svg. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
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