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Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus

Seems we have recently a problem. Since you were one of the contributors of the article I inform you that we have wp:own there. If you have time, a brief look would be appreciated.Alexikoua (talk) 22:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Count of the Stable

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Your message

I got your message about on line sources; thanks. They will surely be helpful in my future edits. But I am rather confused. Why didn't you send me your message over my talk page ? Any inconvenience ? I used to think that my private mail box is to be used only for notifications about the incoming messages, not the messages themselves. Have a good day. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Assessments

About Talk:Heraion of Perachora: not that I would want to muck with normal procedure, but the Wikiproject instructions seemed to be saying quite clearly: "Any member of the project can rate an article as A-Class, because in our project there is no A-Class review". Did I miss something? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:07, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Agapite Aderfe Vasileie

This book, ISBN 960-256-402-4 written by Thanasis Tzavaras in 1999 and printed by Exantas Ekdotiki A.E. (Didotou 59, 10681 Athens, Greece) Tel. 3804 885/ Fax. 3813 065, does not have in its pattern, any numbered pages. The cited phrase is in the last 6 lines of the whole book.Periptero (talk) 16:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Greek naval ships

Hi, I noticed your name at articles on Greek naval ships. I've been working to improve the article on the USS Mississippi class battleship. These 2 ships were sold to Greece after a few years in U.S. service, and the information is scant after that point. I see frequent reference to a book which may have more information: Vice Admiral C. Paizis-Paradellis, HN (2002). Hellenic Warships 1829-2001 (3rd Edition). Athens, Greece: The Society for the study of Greek History. Do you know who has this or has access to it? Thanks Kevin --Kevin Murray (talk) 19:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Something for you

 Military history reviewers' award 
By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer and A-Class reviews for the period 1 April-30 September 2010, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award.  Roger Davies talk 08:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

Hey man, i see you come from Greece. If you speak Greek, go to Greek Wikipedia, and find me. My User name is Johnnaras. Alright? Thanks. --JOHNNARAS —Preceding undated comment added 12:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC).

Hi there

Hello Constantine. I was shamelessly poking my nose around some of your great work and must say I'm really impressed with the great work you've done on Byzantium, most especially late antiquity, a field of interest I share with you. I've noticed that while you made a lot of GAs, as yet you made just one FA, a bit of a shame, if I can be wholly honest (please don't be angry! ;-)), considering that some of those GAs don't require too much effort to reach FA class. One of my personal pipe dreams is to make Justinian a FA, since the VI century is my key century of interest (but Justinian, I won't lie, would be quite a mastodontic work to bring to FA status), but even working on some of his subordinates like Germanus or Peter the Patrician would be great. What do you think? Or is it just that you don't like passing through FAC nomination? Sorry for being nosy, but the idea that I'm not alone in caring for this much ignored age has sparkled a fire in me! ;-) Ciao, Aldux (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for answering :-) As for the amount of material, I've noticed that not all articles have to be mammoths to pass FAC; or at least I hope so, as I'm going to try to see if I can reach FA with a mid-length article with an individual of not exactly astounding fame. As for the point of the MILHIST A-class review, that's a strong one: I too admire the quality and care of the work done their, and I'm thinking of making use of it, either as a stage for the FAC or as an ending point. And I get your point too of already having so much on your hands since you have too cover all Byzantine history. As for getting you hooked, I must confess to you that I'm really sloooooow; so I'm not surprised you might prefer to go on your own. As for the Gothic War, sure that would be a great one and it's among my pipe-dreams right beside Justinian. That said, I wasn't thinking of something more easy to do in the brief term, as I said, like Peter the Patrician; the article is already solid and reaches 15 KB, some compleatements with other sources (Tate's Justinien, Evans 2003 work) and expanding on his literary works. But there's no hussle, and as yet Tate has to arrive (I've ordered it, but it'll take some time to be here). That said, if we want too take something big, I'd point to the Gothic War; got ton of sources myself too, including Wolfram, a monography on Narses and a history of the Gothic War. As for Troglita, while interesting, I'm a bit weak of sources on that one. As for sources, I too have through time cumulated quite an imposing amount of books; the only ones that I REALLY miss are the Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium and the Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire, far too expensive for my possibilities.Aldux (talk) 17:52, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
I think I will give a try with Peter, but I'm a terribly lazy guy and I've first got too end with the last two Gepid kings. Again, since I've got qute a lot of sources, some of which you may not have, don't be afraid to ask help, or also if you meet difficulties with some problematic editor. Ciao, Aldux (talk) 23:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Ottoman_Iran wars

Please try to be polite and at least try to reach and discuss with the contributer before deleting an article. You claim to merge the articles Ottoman-Iran wars and Ottoman-Persian Wars. Well it is possible. But you have cleared the destination page completely ( Ottoman-Persian Wars) and copied the source page (Ottoman-Iran wars) onto the destination page . That is not merging, that's moving. Because nothing is left from the former text of the destination page and everything belongs to source page. But oddly enough, history page still belongs to the cleared-out former destination page and the history of the source page is completely deleted. (That is to say the text and the history are completely unrelated) The same is true with the associated talk page. After this point it is impossible for the viewers to follow the history of the page. That is not logical and not fair. Also this is against the licensing policy. (see Performing the merger ) So now I am sure you'll perform the necessary actions to straighten up things. Have a nice day. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Phthiotic Thebes

Thanks for helping on the page Phthiotic Thebes. Please see my comment on the talk page. I would just change it but I'm not totally clear about what these Greek categories cover.Dejvid (talk) 12:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Sources

Hi Constantine, good to hear from you again. I understand your concerns re: Triumph and Tragedy, that's why I've been supplementing this source with other, more "reputable" sources, like Finlay, and where possible, using the primary source (like The Alexiad, or Choniatēs), etc. Nevertheless, I shall be more judicious in future. Of course, what I really need is for Triumph and Tragedy to be peer reviewed, and therefore no longer suspect... the trials and tribulations of an amateur historian :) Alexander Oatley2112 (talk) 13:07, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

RfA Pumpie

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Thanks, Markussep Talk 14:06, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

You're absolutely right about feeding trolls, I was hoping he would give a link to a reference. But no, he probably just interpreted the land use etc. himself from Google Maps or something similar. I suppose nearly all of his edits are worthless. And it's a lot, he has created over 4,000 articles (excluding redirects). It's going to take ages to check them all. What would be a sensible way to do that? We could use AWB or a bot to add a maintenance category to all the articles he created or edited, and then select the most important articles to clean up first. Probably most of his articles about tiny villages can be merged anyway. Markussep Talk 21:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Mosque in medieval Constantinople

It makes sense. Constantinople was very cosmopolitan. And after all, unlike in the west, in the Byzantine world religion, while still important, was inferior to secular power. So if diplomacy required it, the church had to obey. The Ottoman mosques at Monastiraki Square are museums, I assume? When I visited Athens, I saw a pretty large immigrant Muslim population, these guys absolutely have to have a proper place of worship. — Toдor Boжinov — 12:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sack of Amorium

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Al-'Awasim

The DYK project (nominate) 19:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Manuel the Armenian

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

!!!

What's this ? Takabeg (talk) 09:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

What does it look like? I explained my reasoning in my edit summary. The sources cited below unanimously give the date as 27 July 1302... Constantine ✍ 09:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

the location of battlefield, the date of the battle of Bapheus Takabeg (talk) 09:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Vikos-Aoos

Plakidas' or Kalogeriko bridge .

Thanks Constantine. I plan to upgrade it to further, but I believe its time to deal with Digenis Akritas now.Alexikoua (talk) 11:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Kutmichevitsa

I have translated the article from the Bulgarian Wikipedia where there are no more citations. I can add citations only from Andreev's Bulgarian Khans and Tsars which I have at home. I will also try to put some notes from the well-referenced Bulgarian article for Devol, if they can be appropriate for Kutmichevitsa. I can also search for citations from Zlatarski's work in the Internet but that can be at Sunday or Monday because I don't have enough time now.

As far as the page numbers are concerned, they are not given and there is no way that I can find them :( What should we do then? Best, --Gligan (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

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Good arguments. I am ready to make the movement in Occupation of Albania.15:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Villick (talk • contribs)

Hello

Hey I hope all is well. I was wondering how this article has played back in Greece. [1] LoveMonkey (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Maslamah ibn Abd al-Malik

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Zoodochos Pegè

Hallo Constantine,

If you have time can you please have a look here? Parakalo', Alex2006 (talk) 11:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I was there two weeks ago...Beautiful place, very impressive, but difficult to find! The most interesting part - besides the Hagiasma - is the Rum cemetery. Of course, the sanctuary was full of pilgrims from Greece, and of Turks trying to sell them something :-) Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Why sad? It is nice to see that there is also a Greek hospital there...They showed me were is the sanctuary, since I mixed up the church of the hospital (complete with a fish pond in front of it to confound people) with the Source... :-) Alex2006 (talk) 12:28, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
No, I think that the Greek presence in Istanbul already reached the ebb: in the future it cannot but improve. Moreover, each time that I go there I keep meeting (accidentally) always several rums. In Yesilköy on December 26 two years ago the Church of Hagios Stephanos was full like an egg, and many were young... So, don't give up hope! "Spes, ultima Dea", as my ancestors said. :-) Alex2006 (talk) 12:51, 25 October 2010 (UTC)


The Good Article Medal of Merit 
Unlimited and remarkable contributions to the project. I have nothing more to say.

I hereby award you with the Good Article Medal of Merit since quality is always your top priority.Alexikoua (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hallo Constantine

many many thanks for the decoration! Actually I don't think that I deserved it, but I will take it gladly :-) as an encouragement for future work! Now I have only a problem: how to get the same medal from WP Turkey :-) Thanks again and cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 08:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources and resources for Patriarchs of Constantinople

Hi Constantine,

A quick question - do you have any suggestions for works or sources in English that deal in detail with the Patriarchs of Constantinople after 1453, apart from Runciman's The Great Church in Captivity? Regards, Oatley2112 (talk) 11:57, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Constantine. Take care. Oatley2112 (talk) 12:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Ivan Vladislav

Greetings! I have expanded the article for Ivan Vladislav following more or less the Polish version and I wonder can you review and correct it and tell me whether in your opinion there is point to nominate it for a GA. I constantly address you in such issues because I really think you are the most knowledgeable person in Wikipedia on topics related one way or another with the Byzantine Empire.

Also, I would like to discuss something else - I think that after the foundation of Bulgaria we should avoid using "Bulgar" but use "Bulgarian" instead because although the Bulgarians did not yet exist as a people, "Bulgarian" is the adjective from Bulgaria and it is wrong to refer to a Bulgar army, ruler or state, because it was after all Bulgar and Slavic, the two peoples acted together so Bulgarian is the more appropriate term here. Bulgarian and Bulgar are not synonyms and Bulgar would rather refer for the time prior to the foundation of Bulgaria, during Old Great Bulgaria and the Great Migration, or Volga Bulgaria later. I know many authors use "Bulgar", even up to the times of Simeon, Samuil or the Second Empire, when we can no longer speak for Bulgars at all and I think it is not very precise... And also, it is wrong (not precise) (in my opinion)to refer the country as a Bulgar State or Khanate or Empire. Can you correct the name in that (by the way great) map of yours to Bulgarian Khanate or Bulgaria? Best, --Gligan (talk) 17:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the swift response. I understand your position and I am not the person to contradict with established authors but it is nonetheless confusing to use Bulgar because since that term is used mainly to describe the Turkic tribe of the same name it is by no means adjective from Bulgaria... You see that the Khans were Khans of Bulgars and Slavs, the army consisted of Bulgars and Slavs and saying only Bulgar as a derivative from Bulgaria practically excludes most of the population of the country. Honestly speaking, an uninformed reader (as are the majority) would rather link Bulgar with the tribe that to the country Bulgaria. As far the name is concerned, the country was known as Bulgaria, Bulgar Khanate sound like a short-lived barbarian/nomadic state which Bulgaria was not by any means. Even after the Christianization the state administration and structure id not change. You know I am right, I know you are right in what you wrote me but still, I think that in general the foreign historians overlook Bulgaria (obviously die to lack of primary sources) and sometimes do not pay the necessary attention as do the Bulgarian historians who they never use Bulgar as an adjective after the foundation of the country.
PS: Don't be in a hurry for the article, if tomorrow is a holiday, you might use it for better and more interesting things. Best, --Gligan (talk) 18:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the review :) I will begin with something I was 100% you will ask for - about the name of the Byzantine historian cited by Andreev but the problem is that he does not mention the name himself... In fact I wonder why - he mentions Skylitzes by name in the text for Ivan Vladislav; it could have been an anonymous author but he just says "a Byzantine historian". Considering Runciman, it was a misunderstanding of the language - I after all don't know Polish - or the user that created the article in the Polish Wikipedia did misunderstand Runciman (that user is a Pole, not Bulgarian). In any case I would never lie on purpose, and above all I really don't care which historians approve or disapprove of Ivan Vladislav. I myself neither approve nor disapprove him. As far as heroic is concerned, usually in the overview of rulers who fought bravely against the external threads the Bulgarian historians don't forget to mention about their "heroic resistance". But honestly speaking those apply mainly to Samuil, Gavril Radomir and Ivan Vladislav, because the fall of the First Empire is considered very heroic. I, of course, have nothing against if you correct such words but I don't have any foreign authors who wrote on Bulgarian history with the exception of Runciman (who I think (but I am not sure - I haven't red him recently) also tends to use "emotional expressions" from time to time). Obviously there have been many heroic events throughout history and no one forgets to mention the heroism at Thermolylae for example, so I hope you can forgive me if I still continue to accidentally use that word and would correct me. As for the map... the only maps uploaded in Wikipedia for that period are that one, which is not very detailed and shows the border in 1000 and that one which is also not very detailed but at least the border shown is closer to that during Ivan Vladislav's reign. If you think it would be appropriate, I will include the second map.
Funnily, when I was younger, I hated Daphnomeles, the one who got rid of Ibatzes (not to mention Basil II) :D Now I understand Basil II and his actions and I respect him although I cannot like him ;-) You can see, I was more emotional when I joined Wikipedia but now I am trying not to be. --Gligan (talk) 17:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, since you will make a map, I will wait until you upload it and will probably use yours if it is more detailed. Considering such map, is it possible to make the stages of the Byzantine gains after the year 1000? Usually no one realizes how little territory had remained Bulgarian towards 1015 when the Byzantines have already taken Vidin and a number of towns to the south. But probably the lack of proper information will be a major obstacle and you will base your map on a previously drawn maps (I expect that you will make a map of the Empire under Basil II); while I myself have never seen any map of the Bulgarian-Byzantine border changed between 1000 and 1018.
Considering the rest, you have not offended me. You have always been civilized, polite and cautious even when you are provoked :D I know your critics are constructive and I was not ironic when I was talking about heroism (but I think that some Greeks should also avoid boasting and applying double standards as they sometimes do even here in Wikipedia - but however there are a lot of neutral Greek contributors here). If you want to lose your time with what I think, here it is: For the surprising leap in my edits you mention; probably that is because you have read that crap I have written in my user page :D:D:D:D:D Honestly speaking now I don't want any kind of revisionism, even against the Republic of Macedonia - if the want to be Macedonians, let them be (just not to steal history). But still, I haven't removed that and I wonder if I will... :):) And when I joined I somehow disliked all neighbouring countries, including your own, I felt that they are guilty for our misfortunes but now I know we are as much guilty for that as anyone else; and I have concluded that there is no point of hating the other countries for such nonsense - something that in Western Europe they realized quite early and hopefully the same will happen in the Balkans as well. And I don't want that to sound as exalting yourself, but you have a share for changing my opinion for the Greeks :) Best, --Gligan (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Last Kilise Camii?

Hallo Constantine,

I did it again! :-) Can you please have a look if you have time? Thanks and Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 12:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Well, I am afraid that "freed" is an italianism. Freed from the constructions, which before the opening of the Avenue chocked the building. Altough I must said that this edifice is kept in a miserable state... :-( Alex2006 (talk) 13:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Churches in Albania

Hi, I saw you removed several "'s" from church names, for instance St. Michael Church, Voskopojë, where I wrote "St. Michael's Church". AFAIK the apostroph + s is common in church names in English, compare for instance St. Paul's Cathedral in London, St. Patrick's Cathedral, New York and various other churches. Markussep Talk 20:48, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Leo Phokas the Elder

-- Cirt (talk) 00:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Help needed

Hey Constantine,

I just conducted a major revamp of Epirus (region). If possible, do you think you could re-evaluate it? While I have added a ton of sources, there are some parts that are still unsourced, so if you could also help with that, I would be much obliged. Regards, Athenean (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Phokas (Byzantine family)

-- Cirt (talk) 12:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Albanian names

I fully agree with you about the use of English version of the name in English wikipedia. However I remain dubious about certain difficult names where English versions differ from each other (usually Muslim names) and another issue I've noticed is the missing references in English (there are many practically unknown figures in English literature which are important for Albanian history). I would like to have some kind of proposals from you on those. What do you think? Regards Aigest (talk) 12:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

An eg would be Idriz Seferi which is also rendered in English as Idris Seferi or Abdyl Frasheri which is also rendered as Abdul Frasheri and so on. That happens because the Albanian version of the Muslim name, differs from the original and more common Muslim name. Some authors prefer rendering Albanian version and some others prefer rendering (common) Muslim version. Aigest (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't know. In Abdyl vs Abdul case there is a notable difference in spelling. Let's say that if both version of such names are in English sources in pretty much same numbers, we could keep the "English-Albanian" version so to avoid useless edit wars. (eg Abdyl was one of the key figures of Albanian Renaissance and is a very well known figure in Albania, it should draw attention of Albanian editors and readers). I would prefer also to have others (Albanian editors) opinion on that. May be we can put it to WikiProject Albania as a topic. U're always welcomed there Constantine Aigest (talk) 08:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I've copied our dialogue here so other could follow this issue. Bests Aigest (talk) 08:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Of course Gjergj should be rendered first in George (English version) later followed by Gjergj (Alb. Version). You have my support on that. Regards Aigest (talk) 10:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Byzantinism

No, article naming is determined by the consensus of all editors; in a general way, this will be reasonably well represented if each editor moves those she encounters. In the present state of Byzantine scholarship, this should result a fourfold roughly equal division - for details, see the comments of Treadgold in his recent Byzantine history. It certainly will not result in a uniform ODB approach and should not; that is not English, nor is it scholarly usage - indeed, the last Byzantine conference I was at, nobody used ODB; Judith Herrin anglicized (consistently, which ODB does not: "John, Constantine, Theophylact") as did many others; a majority either anglicized or Latinized; some demoticized - mostly native speakers, but not IIRC entirely (and that's not ODB either; the demotic would be something like Planoudis or Planudhis). The one thing we must avoid is a single editor attempting to impose his POV on all articles, which is why I have not done so, and do not intend to.

I have no confidence in you - and you are welcome to demonstrate your idea of adminship in any forum you choose. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the kind words in my talk page. It was nice to read that. Probably I needed three weeks vacation though, :-). --Sulmuesi (talk) 03:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi!

Sorry for thanking you so late, but I've been offline due to my work for quite a lot of days so I only saw it now. I can't say how much I appreciated the barnstar, it's good to know that my edits are appreciated. Also, thanks again for the links. Ciao, Aldux (talk) 16:45, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Principauté du Pinde et Voïvodie de la Macédoine (gallikà)

Geia sou Cplakidas,

O Kolymbitès egrapse mou auto :

---Ta carte sur cet article est remise en cause (par les contributeurs du portail grec sur en:). Aurais-tu une source ou une nuance à apporter afin de la justifier et peut-être la maintenir ?---

Ego egrapsa auto :

Normal. Cette soi-disant "principauté" n'a jamais existé ailleurs que sur le papier, et n'avait pas de territoire officiellement délimité, ni de jure ni de facto. La partie que j'ai jaunie correspond aux cartes que j'ai vues à la bibliothèque du Musée de l'Armée à Bucarest: les limites y sont tracées à la main sur une carte imprimée de l'aire de répartition des Aroumains (Valaques) dans les Balkans. Pas moyen de la scanner, ils s'y refusent pour les documents antérieurs à 1960. Toutefois, j'ai une telle carte, de la même époque (1943), et je peux, si tu veux, te la scanner et te l'envoyer, et retraçant moi-même dessus en Photoshop les mêmes limites, encore une fois, sans aucune valeur (même pas revendicative) sur le terrain. Un tel document n'est pas une source mais une reconstitution de source, donc sans valeur scientifique. Ma carte, donc, n'est qu'indicative.

Auto einai. Tora, boreis na kaneis ti pistevis kalitero. Tu vois, mon grec n'est pas très bon, mais je fais de mon mieux.

Sto kalo,--discussion|Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (discussion) 15:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

De Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (Manoliu)

Geia-sou,

Voilà la carte de cette fantasmagorie légionnaire.

Attention: ce document n'a aucune valeur scientifique parce que ce n'est pas l'original que j'ai vu au Musée d'histoire militaire à Bucarest. C'est une reconstitution: c'est bien le même fond de carte (trouvé chez un antiquaire) avec les "Roumains des Balkans" (en réalité, des Aroumains, et en réalité, bien plus disséminés et diffus que ça) mais c'est moi qui, grâce à Photoshop, ai reconstitué dessus de mémoire les inscriptions qui y étaient portées au crayon sur l'original du Musée. Quant aux limites, j'ai une excellente mémoire visuelle; j'ai d'ailleurs remarqué que les Mégléno-Romans (personnellement je préfère dire Aromans, Istro-Romans ou Istriotes, et Mégléno-Romans ou Mégléniotes) n'étaient pas inclus dans la "principauté"-"voévodie", sans doute à cause de leur religion musulmane.

A ma connaissance, même "L'état national légionnaire" de sinistre mémoire, n'a pas osé revendiquer officiellement ce territoire qui, dans la pratique, sur le terrain, était la zone d'occupation italienne en Grèce.

Cordialement, Spiridon Ion Cepleanu (Manoliu)--Spiridon MANOLIU (talk) 10:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC) Voila: File:PdP&VdM.jpg

Kyra Martha

Hallo Constantine,

do you know something more about the Maria, founder of the Nunnery of Kyra Martha, which is mentioned here? Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 13:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I knew that you knew :-) Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 13:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Alexius Slav

Hi, the name should be Alexius Slav, actually. Few sources use a definite article, and besides its English meaning, "Slav" is actually a Bulgarian personal name, like all those Vladislavs and Svetoslavs, but without the fuss :) So there's no point in using a definite article, I don't really think it's an ethnic qualifier. John Fine and many other sources use Alexius Slav.

I tried to move the article myself, but Alexius Slav is taken by a redirect and I get a "The page could not be moved" message. Perhaps I should contact an admin or go through the whole requested moves thing... Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 00:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I tagged the redirect page for deletion. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 07:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Principaute" du Pinde

Hmmm... tous ces nationalistes me fatiguent... je ne suis pas psychiatre ! Même les fonds de carte des années 30 sont faux... Je pense que les cartes de répartition des Aroumains ont leur place dans les articles "Aroumains" et "Valaques", et que pour la "Voïvodie" de Macédoine, le mieux est de laisser ma carte, mais en expliquant que cela n'avait aucune réalité sur le terrain. Il me reste à trouver une formulation brève. Kalh vuxta !, --Spiridon MANOLIU (talk) 20:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Military Cross (Greece) or War Cross (Greece)

Hello! I see that you created the article War Cross (Greece), so I'm hoping you can help me. I've noticed that a few articles are tagged with "Category:Recipients of the Military Cross (Greece)", but there is no article Military Cross (Greece). I strongly suspect that both War Cross and Military Cross refer to the same decoration (Πολεμικός Σταυρός)). What do you think?

My inclination is to propose deletion of "Category:Recipients of the Military Cross (Greece)" and to update the articles to "Category:Recipients of the War Cross (Greece)".

However, since I have no knowledge of Greek medals I would prefer to get some input first from someone with more knowledge.

Thanks

VinculumMan (talk) 10:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for prompt reply. I've completed the category shuffle, but will give it a few days for comments before proposing deletion of the now empty category. VinculumMan (talk) 14:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for your note of encouragement. I was surprised there was no article on muscle cuirass. In my haste to dash one off, I realized only belatedly that I needed also to search for "muscled cuirass" and "muscular cuirass" — so there's more easily available material of good quality I want to add. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't remove

I understand you removed information.　Anyway you found your mistake and try to fixed. OK. Takabeg (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Merci

İlginiz için merci. Takabeg (talk) 13:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Hranislav and Roger

Hi and sorry to bother you. I was just about to publish this piece when I noticed a significant contradiction between all my sources (which admittedly basically follow the same structure and present the same facts). Both of my major sources say Hranislav was wounded in a dispute with Roger de Flor in 1306. The thing is, there was little left of Roger in 1306, because he was murdered in April 1305...

The main, if not only, primary source on Hranislav's life seems to be George Pachymeres. Do you have access to an edition of his Byzantine history? I'd very much like to know what the hell is going on with Hranislav's stabbing by a ghost :) I have a feeling Plamen Pavlov, who is the author of both the article in Who is Who in Medieval Bulgaria and the book Rebels and Venturers in Medieval Bulgaria that I've cited, may have messed this one up quite a bit, or at least erred on the date of the battle.

Also, in relation to that battle, Germa is the transliteration of the placename from Bulgarian. As it's in northwest Asia Minor, it would be a Greek name. Is the transliteration correct for Greek?

Many thanks, — Toдor Boжinov — 21:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems to have solved it. Indeed it's the battle of Germe, which ought to be in 1304 because apparently the army quickly moved to break the siege of Philadelphia after the fight at Germe, so it's after the winter passed. At least Pavlov didn't screw up with the involvement of Roger, he simply had his date wrong :) Thanks again and cheers! — Toдor Boжinov — 23:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Justinian II

Hi Constantine,

I am in the middle of revising the Justinian II article, and I would like your opinion on the proposed text regarding changes to the Consulate during his reign.

"Justinian’s reign saw the continued slow and ongoing process of transformation of the Byzantine Empire, as the traditions inherited from the ancient Latin Roman state were gradually being eroded. This is most clearly seen in the coinage of Justinian’s reign, which saw the reintroduction of the Loros, the traditional consular costume that had not been seen on imperial coinage for a century, while the office itself had not been celebrated for nearly half a century.[1] This was linked to Justinian’s decision to unify the office of consul with that of emperor thus making emperor the head of state not only de facto but also de jure. Although the office of the consulate would continue to exist until Emperor Leo VI the Wise formally abolished it with Novel 94,[2] it was Justinian who effectively brought the consulate as a separate political entity to an end. He was the last emperor formally appointed as Consul in 686,[3] and from that point, Justinian II adopted the title of consul for all the Julian years of his reign, consecutively numbered. This practice was continued by his successors."

Do you have any objections to this, or suggestions? Oatley2112 (talk) 02:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Constantine. The only sources I have state that (as you indicated) Justinian II was the last emperor who used the title. Kazhdan makes mention that Leo VI formally abolished the office, while Grypeou states that Constans II was the last emperor before Justinian to be appointed to the office, and the Justinian's coinage is unique for the reintroduction of the Loros. The statements that Justinian unified "the office of consul with that of emperor thus making emperor the head of state not only de facto but also de jure" and that "Justinian who effectively brought the consulate... to an end" were pre-existing in the article, but without attribution or source. Although I left them in, I was worried that they had been introduced by someone who mistook the actions of Justinian I for Justinian II, as many older secondary sources (Bury, Finlay, etc) state that it was Justinian I who abolished the Consulate. In any event, given your comments, I have modified the second half of that paragraph to the following:
"Although the office of the consulate would continue to exist until Emperor Leo VI the Wise formally abolished it with Novel 94,[4] it was Justinian who effectively brought the consulate as a separate political entity to an end. He was formally appointed as Consul in 686,[5] and from that point, Justinian II adopted the title of consul for all the Julian years of his reign, consecutively numbered." Oatley2112 (talk) 11:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion Constantine. I must admit, I have a fondness for Norwich, and was hoping that he would qualify for a legitimate source for these articles (I also have his three volume work at my fingertips, which makes things easier for me when adding citations). My only access to some of the more relevant/scholarly books is via Google Books, but many are not viewable, while others such as Treadgold are only viewable in preview mode, limiting their use. Nevertheless, I shall try to use Treadgold, and any other general byzantine history sources in your list if possible. Regards Oatley2112 (talk) 23:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Books

Books that you have shown are useful. Especially this one. Hoşçakalın. Takabeg (talk) 16:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

And can you fix Nurettin Pasha and re-rate it ? I don't think that article is Start-class. See you. Takabeg (talk) 12:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Email

Hi. Email's out. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 00:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Email's out. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 18:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Sulayman and Nasr

Hi there! The Byzantine–Arab conflicts are indeed a very interesting area which is so far hardly covered. It's great that you're devoting more attention to it.

Here are a couple of ideas for Sulayman ibn Hisham:

And some for Nasr ibn Sayyar:

Brilliant pieces as always, can't wait to see them hit the Main page! Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 19:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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Skanderbeg

Constantine, thanks for the ideas that you have given me on Skanderbeg. I am little by little trying to get Skanderbeg to GA and am asking Malleus, you and Ning-Ning, if you could find any wrong things in the article, before I bring it to GA in December. I merged some paragraphs today to make it flow chronologically, and also wrote the long lede, but I am aware that some references are still missing, or are from encyclopedias, in addition wording is far from perfect. Still I would like you to just spend a couple of minutes and tell me what do you see wrong with the article. Thank you for your precious time. --Sulmuesi (talk) 01:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent edits and for your valid points, Constantine, I am amazed at the improvements that I see after you put your hands on. My work has been mostly with organization and with finding about 100 references that were missing pages, now comes the true GA process, but I felt that since I had my hands full I'd better nominate, while I was in the process. Several of your points are very valid, but unfortunately there are a lot of scholars who disagree with one another, especially regarding early life. I'll make sure to enter notes for all positions, but it'll require me a couple of days to open books. --Sulmuesi (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sulayman ibn Hisham

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Ottoman Interregnum battles template

My sincerest thanks for fixing the Ottoman Interregnum battles template. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nasr ibn Sayyar

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Ottoman Empire Barnstar

Merci. But I only transfer basic information from printed materials to Wiki. Σας ευχαριστώ. See you. Takabeg (talk) 01:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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Late Antiquity

Hi Constantine. Sorry for coming here to bug you, but I was reading the Late Antiquity article and thinking how it was unsatisfying compared to its French and German versions, which are both FAs. Now, the German version has no inline citations so I'd exclude it, but the French one instead seems very interesting; also, I have some knowledge of French, and maybe you too. So I was wondering, would you have any interest and any time to attempt a translation (keep in mind it's a really big article, no less than 155 KB). If you feel you've got to much on your hands to deal with this already, or just the effort is simply not worth the hussle, don't worry, it would be really easy to understand. But in the latter case, know of anybody possibly interested or anyway to obtain some help in the translation? Sorry for bugging you again, and ciao. Aldux (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!

 The Military history A-Class medal 
For prolific work on Sviatoslav's invasion of Bulgaria, Battle of Kalavrye and Sack of Amorium, all promoted to A-Class between October and December 2010, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject you are hereby awarded the A-Class medal. Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 11:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Constantine ✍ 21:59, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Heraclius (brother of Tiberius III)

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Re: 100 DYK medal

Thank you very much, my friend! It is no secret that your work (not only at DYK) has been a great inspiration for me. The number is by no means a reason to stop, of course, so let's keep going! :) Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 16:15, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello

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Naming conventions Trikala stadium

Hi, look at these random links: Estádio Olímpico João Havelange, Salle de Sports de Algiers, Pavilhão da Cidadela, Palais des Sports de Warda, Camp Nou, Estádio do Maracanã, Stade de France, Estádio da Luz, İzmir Atatürk Stadium, Stade Mohamed V, Stadion FK Crvena zvezda. As you can see even the article name is in the native language. I am not chalenging the article name in the Trikala case. I believe also it should be in English. I'm just puting the transliterated Greek name in the Infobox, after all that's what the infobox is aboutYangula (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Arkadion

Hi. If you have a time please control List of patrol vessels of the Ottoman Empire#Arkadi. Where is Elphanosia ? See you. Takabeg (talk) 07:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Merci. What do you think of Talk:Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Talk:Garadaghly Massacre, Talk:Agdaban massacre ? Takabeg (talk) 13:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Klada

Please respond to this discussion.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:18, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Treaty of istanbul

Please note that Treaty of İstanbul (1913) is not my creation. It is sourced In Encyclopaedia of Ottoman Empire, (Agoston Masters) (p 73) which you 've suggested. I only want to use the correct name. After the reign of Mustafa III the name of the city was İstanbul and not Kostantaniyah. (It is not changed in 1930. In 1930s the Latin alphabeth was adopted and the post office anounced the address writing rules.Only that.) What you call international name is not valid for this case (see the capital of China; is it Peking or Beijing ?) Please don't revert my edits involving İstanbul. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Email's out

Email's out. Quite urgent. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Michael Attaleiates

Hi Kostas. Please see here. Thank you. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 23:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Church of San Domenico (Constantinople)

Hallo Constantine

Sorry to disturb you, but I need advise. Yesterday an user started an article about the church of San Domenico, a.k.a. Arap Mosque. He just took the redirect (which I created, that's how I could notice it), copy-pasted one paragraph of the Arap Mosque article (with notes, without references :-)), et voilà, the article was finished (I wonder why we don’t do the same with ours, instead of losing time reading sources… :-))! Now, I reverted it to the redirect, but I wanted to know if there is anything in Wikipedia policy which forbids creating articles by cloning… I want to avoid an edit war and, above all, I don't want that our work about Istanbul/Constantinople will be destroyed. Thanks and Cheers, and Buon Natale! Alex2006 (talk) 08:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Constantine! By the way, how is the situation in Greece? I hope not that bad, as we are reading here in Mitteleuropa... Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 09:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
:-( I am sorry to read that. Greece needs another Venizelos... In Italy too the situation is bad, specially for people working in the school and the universities (the government is cutting like mad there), while in Switzerland, where I live, apparently the economy is booming... What can I say? Come to the ETH! There they always look for smart people...If it continues in this way, research will become more and more a north-of-the-Alps business. :-( Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 10:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


Maps

Please respond here--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 12:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Corinth/Ancient Corinth

Hi Constantine, Chronia polla kai kales giortes. A little discussion has begun on how to distinguish the articles on modern Corinth and Ancient Corinth here. I would greatly appreciate any insights you could provide.--Damac (talk) 23:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Spelling

Hi, I notice that as part of your edits to several island pages, you are changing the spelling of "artifacts" to "artefacts". Just in case you don't know, the former is a perfectly valid spelling of the word. You may want to peruse WP:ENGVAR. :) LadyofShalott 21:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Gianisada

Thanks for the edits on the islands. When I do a search on Google for "Gianisada" and "Gianysada" I too see that "Gianysada" is more popular. But when I do a search for "nisada" and "nysada" it is "nisada" that is very much more popular. Not planning to revert your edit but I think that the nisada spelling is more appropriate to conform with the very much more popular transliterated spelling of "nisada". Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Greece redirects

Sure For what it's worth, I'm done tagging Greece-related articles, so it's a moot point going forward... Anyway, {{WikiProject Greece}} supports class=redirect and Category:Redirect-Class Greek articles exists, so this doesn't seem that problematic from my end. If you need my help with something, I'd be happy to assist, but I'll be in and out of Internet connectivity for a few days (at least.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)


Contest for Infobox Picture gallery on "Greeks" article

I hereby publish the results of the contest we were holding (deadline DEC-31) so as to make a new 25-picture gallery in the Infobox. I just want to show that the elected personalities by popular decisition are:

ANCIENT: Aristotle; Pericles; Alexander the Great; Plato; King Leonidas; Hippocrates; Homer; Herodotus; Socrates; Archimedes.
MEDIEVAL (BYZANTINE) -up to 1500 A.D.-: Hypatia; Nikephoros Fokas; Basileios Boulgaroktonos; Gemisthus Pletho.
MODERN -1500 A.D. to 1900 A.D.-: Theodoros Kolokotronis; Georgios Karaiskakis; Lascarina Bouboulina; Ioannis Capodistrias; El Greco; Rigas Feraios .
CONTEMPORARY: Eleftherios Venizelos; Georgios Papanikolaou; Pyrros Dimas; Constantine Cavafy; Archbishop Makarios.

I submitt this list to the WP-GR project administrators so as to set things forth. I am aware that it is not a binding contest so I deliver the whole subject to the proper authorities and you will proceed according to what you think is better for the article.Periptero (talk) 14:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yannis Anastasopoulos

You might be interested in contributing to this discussion and aricle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Yannis_Anastasopoulos#Yannis_Anastasopoulos I just about rescued it from getting the chop. But it has been resubmitted. The guy appears to have been an amateur historian who has published some history books (as well as poetry and fiction). Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 09:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Paleokastro

I've noticed that there are two articles on Paleokastro. One is called "Palekastro, Crete" (lots of information on the Paleokastro close to Grandes islands) and the other is called "Paliokastro, Crete" (almost no information on this one which is a different Paleokastro in Heraklion prefecture). I think that the best transliteration is "Paleokastro" but then there is disambiguation involved. Also, "Paleokastro" redirects to "Paliokastro". I thought I'd let you know because I don't want to stuff up a redirect and a move to the wrong transliteration. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 02:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Milhist A-Class and Peer Reviews Oct–Dec 2010

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List of Byzantine Usurpers

Sorry Constantine, I didn't realise you were in mid-edit. Can you check to see if your edit is still visable? Oatley2112 (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to start a discussion about the title on the Discussion Page, after I had done the hard yards and completed the list. I had initialy just wanted to limit it to those who claimed the imperial title, but I then had a change of heart about the term "usurper" and expanded it to include anyone who illegitimately usurped imperial authority, regardless of whether they claimed the imperial title. After all, in an absolute monarchy, if you are engaged in a conspiracy to overthrow the emperor, or you rebel in an important urban centre, at some point you would have to defeat the emperor to secure your position, which inevitably would mean they would claim the imperial title at some point. But I do admit that something like "Usurpers, conspirators and rebels" would be good. Oatley2112 (talk) 12:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

25-pic. "Greeks" picture chart

Gia sou Kosta.- Please, can you give a hand in the new Greeks galley picture? I am looking for skilled-hand editors so as to perform the chart. I am not that skilled myself in drawing charts. I give you the final results table:

ANCIENT: Aristotle; Pericles; Alexander the Great; Plato; King Leonidas; Hippocrates; Homer; Herodotus; Socrates; Archimedes.
MEDIEVAL (BYZANTINE) -up to 1500 A.D.-: Hypatia; Alexios Komnenos; Basileios Boulgaroktonos; Gemisthus Pletho.
MODERN -1500 A.D. to 1900 A.D.-: Theodoros Kolokotronis; Georgios Karaiskakis; Lascarina Bouboulina; Ioannis Capodistrias; El Greco; Rigas Feraios .
CONTEMPORARY: Eleftherios Venizelos; Georgios Papanikolaou; Pyrros Dimas; Constantine Cavafy; Archbishop Makarios.

Thank you, I would appreciate very much so as to give and end to this subject, at least for the moment. Regards.- Periptero (talk) 11:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Hellenic State

Well done]. --FocalPoint (talk) 11:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, I added it back in a different way. --FocalPoint (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Costa, I asked Philly boy92 (talk · contribs) to help in compiling the collage for the gallery.- Please if you happen to reming him I think it would be better. There are some shots of the new gallery in the Greeks talk page, but they need some graphic improvements.Periptero (talk) 12:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Voix de la Sagesse

Since you happen to be with Alexi, the voice of wisdom in every Greek-related article, I therefore ask you to set task in the "Greeks Infobox Gallery" talk page. There are users trying to substitute the characters we had originally chosen and as far as I see we will never move on to establishing the new collage. Personally I decided to stop here. It seems that the eternal Greek karma about dis-union is arising once again. Regards.- Periptero (talk) 00:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

1940 Images

Happy new year Constantine! Thanks a lot about everything. I was wondering if there are still cr problems with some 1940 images. Since 70+ year past I believe we have now the opportunity to upload some pictures for the Greek-Italian war, like this one.Alexikoua (talk) 22:00, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Declaration of Northern Epirote Independence

The present form of the article was small enough for a seperate article, that's sure, but I have just found enough material to create a single article of it. In fact the declaration is too briefly descripted in the Autonomous Republic of Northern Epirus (only 2 subsections), there should a seperate article that describes the events like: the Panepirotic Assembly of February 13 (just read Sakellariou's book) the following declaration.Alexikoua (talk) 14:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure, the creator user:CoolMartini was informed that a redirection/deletion was possible and expansion was neccesarry.

By the way, I saw this [[2]]. It's a bit old but there are lots of battlemaps and historical 'pd' hard to find pictures.Alexikoua (talk) 14:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Exactly, the text itself isn't the best source we have, but I found some pictures I could not find anywhere else like of Markos Botsaris' son and other Greek officers.Alexikoua (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Neboulos

[3] I assumed that he only did that to Albanian-related articles, so I didn't check the rest of his edits. Have you checked them all?--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 21:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Btw regarding Progonos after digging through my library I found a work, whose author claimed that Progon as an Albanian name may be possibly related with...prodromos. Of course that would be plausible only for 19th century writers, but it's still interesting.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 22:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Thanks for the award, Constantine. It is much appreciated, as is your help in getting my Byzantine article revisions up to scratch. Regards, Oatley2112 (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Orthodox Patriarchs

Hi Constantine,

I reckon you of all people on here are the man to do this job: taking a look, most of the historic Patriarchs of Constantinople do not have entries at all. So, one can't click through the succession line, its impossible to get any sense of the progression or history of this very important institution. Since I have been reading a copy of George Akropolites, I have added a few entries for the Patriarchs of the Nicean period. But I think we need to make a concerted effort to raise a page for every Patriarch. Can you do it? Or rather, can you organise the community to do it?

Regards, KC Gustafson (talk) 10:48, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


Ah... real life, eh? Well, you're probably right. I have copies of Akropolites, Skylitzes, Kinnamos, as well as a reasonably large number of secondary sources (like Hussey's the Orthodox Church in the Byzantine Empire. As I come across references to them I'll try to plug them in, as I have done, but I am unlikely to get much more than the basics of it, as I have no dedicated Church sources. I'll do what I can. Like you, though, real life...

Hope you're well. KC Gustafson (talk) 20:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Say, for a guy who says "patriarchs and religious matters in general are not my priority" you do have your hand dipped in most of the Patriarch articles! How DO you have a real life? KC Gustafson (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure, the theological issues are often very boring. But I suppose the trick is that the Byzantine state was the "symphony" of spiritual and temporal power--the Patriarchs were the other critical power centre of the state. And as alien and silly they may seem to us now, those theological issues were the cause of a lot of deadly trouble to the state (and success, mind), and were a chief concern of it. Loyalty of resident people depended (as Emperors and Patriarchs saw it) on them adhering to the Orthodoxy of which the Patriarch was steward and the Emperor the champion. When weak Patriarchs are chosen it is because (like with Alexios or Manuel I) the emperor wanted to wade into the theological or synodal issues himself because they didn't want godbotherers screwing up key political issues out of (God Help Us) honest faith. So yeah, whether or not "my father is greater than me" or the derivation of the son from the father and the son makes my eyes glaze over, it was a critical political issue for the state. This is why I think it a shame that many of the holders of this critical post are not mentioned, and indeed that the actions and decisions which were probably theirs are acredited to their Emperors. Just some random thoughts. Ta. KC Gustafson (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


DYK for Theodosius (son of Maurice)

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Albanian vilayet

Thank you for your help with Albanian vilayet! It was really needed. I have one question. Is it better to avoid word super in the expression super-vilayet if it is not referenced by the sources, and I am not having success in finding source for that word belonging to that expression? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


No, not confusing at all. I agree with the meaning, now I you explained to me the meaning of this expression. Thank you!

The Albanian Barnstar of National Merit
I have noticed your edits and appreciated them greatly. Thank you for your contributions to the articles which are part of the WikiProject Albania. Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
this WikiAward was given to Cplakidas by Antidiskriminator (talk) on 13:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I am not very experienced wikipedian and my English is not on the advanced level. I would feel privileged if you can sneak a peak at my work occasionally and share your thoughts with me.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Nafplio naming

I have spotted that you changed the name of the town to what you find more proper. The name of the place is written everywhere, in greek and in english, so there should be no real dispute as which is the proper spelling. If you have any objections, please note them on the discussion page of the relevant article before committing changes.(23Jan11).

On WP:RM you suggested, it is written that "If the move you are suggesting is uncontroversial (e.g. spelling and capitalization), please feel free to move the page yourself". If you have objections other than it "had their present name for a long time" (on wikipedia), please note them. If not, please let the move take place.(24Jan11)

Online Ambassadors

I saw the quality of your contributions at DYK and clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 01:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Marian reforms

Hey Constantine, would you happen to know of any good sources on the Marian reforms of 107 BC? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I have to write a 10–14 page paper for my Ancient Rome class, and I chose the reforms. I may try to take the work I put into it and improve the WP article. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:18, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Ionian Islands

you wrote the name is always used as a whole to distinguish the admin. division from the region ... this is also true for the Ionian Islands (periphery), Central Greece (periphery), I suggest to move these too. And maybe also Epirus (periphery) to be consistent. TAG-A-b10 (talk) 03:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Halki seminary

Would you be kind enough to QA Halki_seminary. I've expanded it quite a bit with lots of references. Thanks in advance.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 02:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy QA.  Nipsonanomhmata  (Talk) 12:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Little Hagia Sophia

Good morning Kostantinos, and one question again. A couple of day ago a countryman of you added beautiful pictures on the Little Hagia Sophia article, but he inserted also a movie showing faithfuls praying in the mosque. Is it allowed to upload something like that in Wikipedia? And if not, because of which policy? When I visit a mosque in Istanbul, I must always leave it when there is prayer inside, since the presence of Gavur could offend the people inside… Many thanks and cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Very good! I was afraid of an attack to the article :-) . By the way, have you seen the pictures on his Page? Some are really great! I will ask him to go back to Istanbul and photograph everything... :-) Cheers, Alex2006 (talk) 10:57, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch)

Hello! Your submission of Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Arctic Night 01:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Al-Mundhir III ibn al-Harith

Hi, I have reviewed Al-Mundhir III ibn al-Harith and placed it on hold for up to seven days with concerns. You can see my review here: Talk:Al-Mundhir III ibn al-Harith/GA1. Canadian Paul 04:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Albanians

Hallo Constantine! Since you are an expert on the subject, you might be interested in this discussion Talk:Albanians#Latest_edits. Comments like that "Byzantine Empire existed just after 1204", or "Serbians dominated the coast of Epirus in 1204" can came to the attention of every Byzantine expert.Alexikoua (talk) 18:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Naming of cities in templates

Hi, you are a far more experienced wikipedian than me. That's why I ask for your help on this page: Template: Major Ottoman sieges. I encountered difficulties that I discussed with another user on the associated talk page Template talk:Major Ottoman sieges. As you already have encountered such problems on Template:Campaignbox Byzantine-Ottoman Wars, please give your enlightened advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falep (talk • contribs) 21:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Peripheries of Greece

I wrote at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Greece#Peripheries. Hope after several disagreement we find some things we agree on. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 14:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Goths

Wikiproject Dacia has also included the articles on Goths in the Balkans. This is the only connection. Dimadick (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Crete

Listen man, this time you stop. 1) You break the infobox functionality. 2) The Emirate of Crete did not belong to the Byzantine Empire. 3) Functionality of Template:History of Crete is also limited by your approach of mixing together two spans of time. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 19:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

By moving around the Crete Eyalet and Crete Vilayet articles you also break functionality of Template:Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

You often ask me to do certain things that you do not apply to yourself: Asking me to not mix together different time periods in the prefectures+provinces template - but exactly that you did in the prefecture template. Now you ask me to first discuss - but did you first discuss when moving the eyalet and viyalet around? No, you didn't. When the footer navbox links to the same title twice, one does not see which link one clicked last. The infobox navigation is broken too. That Byzantine Crete refers to both periods can one assume, so the task would be to find a better title for the first period. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 20:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Changing the Template:Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire for only your recent article, deviating from what is standard for all the other eyalets and vilayets does still leave some functionality of a further navbox kind of broken. One wants to go to a vilayet article, specifically not the eyalet article and lands on a page with both combined. This is weird behavior. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 20:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

There is already an extra article Emirate of Crete, so the claim that all is included in one article is false. Before your reversion one could easily click through via the top right infobox from one period of Crete history to the next. Only because your Greek, English, German sources treat it in one page(?) it is no reason to do so for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a book, it is an online encyclopedia. Also that language and religion are "similiar" is no reason to throw two different periods together. Ditadura Nacional/Estado Novo (Portugal) or Hawaii Territory/State of Hawaii - language and religion were similar too. The article Emirate of Crete states "Religion = Sunni Islam" but says nothing to the respect that the percentages of Christians and Muslims before and after the Emirate were the same. Also in 130 years of time there may be more change in language than during the Ditadura Nacional/Estado Novo. It would just be nice if you would accept other users input on articles even if you created them. You say your self that at first you wanted to create two articles, now I want that two. Leave behind the 1-page-sources and create two pages. Infobox navigation between topics will be nice, the display in the infobox will be better, not letting it look like territorial split anymore and the bottom navigation box will be better, one can see what is clicked and chooses the next link to the right. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 21:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Due to your article move to Ottoman Crete I spend some time on the Ottoman Empire articles. There are now several articles Ottoman Countryname [4] And 29 categories within Category:History of the Ottoman Empire by country. Maybe this interesting for you. Also the provinces category for the Ottoman Empire is empty now and the articles follow trWP by distinguishing between Eyalet and Vilayet. Even in trWP not all have articles yet. Regards GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 17:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

@ Ottoman ... Nice you like it. Province cat is a warning cat or dab: Category:Provinces of the Ottoman Empire, like Category:Georgia. There is the more neutral Category:Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire, someone already did not like to have the vassals labeled as subdivisions, so I eased the situation by add this new cat he suggested: Category:Vassal and tributary states of the Ottoman Empire to the articles. Still this cat is inside subdivisions. Subdivisions also can hold kaza one day, this is more general to provinces. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 18:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

You forgot choice 4 :-) Just go on and revert you. But I prefer to talk. So revert me if you want, I wont revert you now. That there were several periods that had a theme is a good concern. Then it would mean to have two or three theme articles.

What do you mean by "The theme of Crete belongs to it just like the archontate etc, because they are the same thing. " Maybe you can write a stub for archontate and then I already understand? How about {{Greek terms for country subdivisions}} along the lines of {{Slavic terms for country subdivisions}}, {{Arabic terms for country subdivisions}}, {{Turkish terms for country subdivisions}}? You are probably more expert for these than me. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Would like your help on Crete#History, I fixed several issues, made it more chronological. Missing: 1913-1941 and after WWII, what kind of entity if any was Crete? For the prefectures: Template:Prefectures of Greece has Lasithi 1912, i.e. before joining Greece in 1913. Maybe little extra notes can clarify administrative history. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 16:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks alot for your effort, you have done a great service for us and we appreciate from our depth, unfortunately there are very little Arab participation in en.wikipedia. i was watching with happiness what you have done in the Ghassanid topics and i have translated them into Arabic. Arabic historic sources are abundant in Arabic but unfortunately not in other languages, this is one of my other accounts i register a new name for every topic i participate in, i do it to avoid edit warring with nationalist none-Arab Middle Eastern wikipedians who who track my then undermine Arabic related topics. Finally i hope you a very nice day, accept my regards, antio sas--Alamundaros (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Peri GR

Oh yes, finally something we agree on [5]. This general purpose boxes can maybe used inside the dedicated one, but it is really great to a dedicated one to have some variable stored only once. In fact, not the first time we agree on something, I mean for periphery article naming you had similar approaches, I think only Crete and Thessaly are still outstanding. Best regards, happy editing. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 17:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

GR prefectures and provinces

Maps, yes, nice. From Provinces of Greece one could assume the borders did not change since WW2, only some new added. But 139 to 147 makes a diff of 8, and the Dodecanese not has 8? Maybe you can add something about provincial border changes. There are several articles grouped by prefecture, Category:Prefectures of Greece. If the provinces would have had quite stable borders, maybe it would be best to use these. Maybe also provinces do not cover areas of two peripheral units, so they can be dropped in there. And they would fall each in one "geographical department" and can also be dropped there. But will the new municipalities always lie within one province? If the province scheme does not work at all we probably would need to recategorize everything by the new 325 municipalities. For provinces we would have good names but for municipality categories there may be lot of conflict. The old regions of Greece are not used for administration but still for other purposes, maybe we can do same with the provinces. Rivers, mountains could be put there. I am a little bit tired now.... just some thoughts, no real opinion on the categories. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 18:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply on my categorization thoughts. Ok, no provinces. For reversion to prefectures, no idea how important EU NUTS is. Another issue: Super-prefectures of Greece. Athens-Piraeus SP = Attica Prefecture? The name "Athens-Piraeus" suggest East and West Attica are left out. Oh, and when prefectures come back I can rename my account. :-) GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Subdivisions of the Byzantine Empire

Thanks for the history lesson. This stuff could maybe go on Subdivisions of the Byzantine Empire like Subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire, or the very stubby Subdivisions of the Russian Empire. Placing as main article into Category:Subdivisions of the Byzantine Empire. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Great!!! :-) GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 22:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Category:Themes of the Byzantine Empire rename main article to Themes of the Byzantine Empire, like for

? GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 16:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Gabras

Your new article on the Gabras contains the phrase" "entered with the Seljuk Turks". I think the meaning is left ambiguous. Entered what? Dimadick (talk) 07:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Constantine Dalassenos (duke of Antioch)

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Last edit for Theodore Mangaphas

Hi Constantine,

It's Oatley again. Please don't take this the wrong way (I am not wanting to start an edit war!! :) ) but regarding your last revision of Theodore Mangaphas, I think you should be a bit more consistent and judicious in the way you approach sources. I understand your objections over the use of my book as a source, particularly as it is a tertiary source, and it lacked, in your opinion, a sufficiently robust editorial process from the publishing house (although the specialist sub editor they got to edit the book may object). BUT...

In the first instance, if you're going to remove Triumph and Tragedy on the grounds that it is a tertiary source, then you should also remove Vougiouklaki's Encyclopaedia of the Hellenic World, Asia Minor, as a source from the article, as it too is a teritary source and (even worse in my opinion) it is an online reference, which is NOT a superior source to a hard copy published source.

In the second instance, I believe you should only remove a citation and a source if a) the information is inaccurate, in which case the offending sentence the citation is supporting should be removed (along with the citation), or b) you are replacing it with a superior secondary source. Given that the information in the Theodore Mangaphas article remained intact, you are obviously not objecting to the information. If you are therefore going to remove the Triumph and Tragedy citations and book as a source, I would insist that you replace it with a better secondary source in its place. Having an article sourced, even with tertiary sources, is better than having one containing statements or facts that are not sourced at all.

I recognise that you only have the best interests of the article at heart. So do I. So, while I have no objection if you replace the parts of the article that use my book as a source citation with a better source, I don't want to see citations removed without replacing them with another source. Therefore I am (temporarily, I am sure :) ) reverting your previous edit.

Have a good day :) Regards, Oatley2112 (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Rogerios Dalassenos

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The Bugle: Volume LVIX, January 2011

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DYK for Nikephoros Melissenos

The DYK project (nominate) 06:14, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Stephiana

Was there something wrong with this reference? "Vizantološki institut, Zbornik radova Vizantološkog instituta, (Naučno delo, 1996), 194." --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Thank you for responding. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:55, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Momchil

Hi Constantine and thanks for taking the time to improve that article! Indeed, there's a lot more to add from Bulgarian sources (certainly from the one currently cited and from a large article in another book). I'll try to work on the article in the next few days. Best, — Toдor Boжinov — 07:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, there was quite a bit of interesting material on Momchil in the Who is Who in Medieval Bulgaria book by Andreev, so I managed to give the article a juicy expansion :) Please have a look at it and see if there's anything to fix. We're now at more than 5x with your work on the article and mine, and there's no reason why we shouldn't post it to DYK.
P.S. Happy Baba Marta! :) — Toдor Boжinov — 20:08, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
A truly excellent collaboration, thanks for your edits and additions! This was one of my earliest articles, by the way: I started it back in January 2006 with the idea that "meh, it's good enough for what it is, I might get around to expanding it later on". Turns out that would be more than five years later! :)
Otherwise I think we're good enough for GAN as well. There could be more about the legendary aspects of Momchil's personality, as he's quite a prominent figure in folklore, but so far I haven't found any satisfactory sources. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
  1. ^ Grypeou, Emmanouela, The encounter of Eastern Christianity with early Islam, BRILL, 2006, pg. 69
  2. ^ Kazhdan, pg. 526
  3. ^ Bede,Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, Book V (Chapter VII)
  4. ^ Kazhdan, pg. 526
  5. ^ Bede,Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, Book V (Chapter VII)
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