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Congrats!

The Million Award
For your contributions to bring Andrew Tate (estimated annual readership: 5,731,024) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers! DFlhb (talk) 17:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Congrats on the Andrew Tate GAN! ;) Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 18:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

getting Andrew Tate to GA is no small feat! great work!

sawyer * he/they * talk 07:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's much better than a barnstar :) CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 12:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whack!

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

For disturbing placid waters, illegal baiting, and failing to exercise proper sanitation after fish-gutting. (Permalink) The initiative is great but try to understand that a page associated with the WP:Kindness campaign is meant to recognize and praise the work of others, not to frustrate and annoy them. Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taps the sign animation?

Over at the April 2024 pro-palestinian protests talk page, it's impressive how many people use {{EPER}} but don't seem to read what it says, even in bold, and take that seriously. It's as if we have to add a blinking flourescent animation with the Simpsons bus driver "taps the sign" image meme ... It looks unfriendly if nobody bothers to answer, but nobody is obliged to respond: we're all volunteers. Boud (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Proposal of indefinite block for AndyTheGrump

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Hey, CNC. No, no one is entitled to an apology. But sometimes it's what's needed to convince me the person won't do it again. Valereee (talk) 23:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh, I do get that. But it's not about convincing you "a victim", but the community. The basic concept of showing remorse is a pretty weak barometer to go by for most people I imagine. For example, how many users show remorse and then repeat the same actions vs those who show none and learn from their mistakes? My point is it's a logically weak argument for being convinced that someone won't repeat the same mistakes. The fact that ATG is willing/accepting to be topic banned from DYK suggests that he has learnt something after all (read between the lines). Maybe that'd also be for the best if he's not capable of repeating the same mistakes, personally I was only objecting to the initial proposal of an indef ban that seems outrageous. The fact he "got away with it" without saying "sorry" seems to be the bigger issue, rather than the lack of apology to those he insulted. He could of just provided an insincere apology, not much else would of happened, and in my opinion would of been more likely to continue any disruptive activities (in fact I'm pretty sure of that). The fact he didn't apologise implies he's willing to be banned in some form, not that he hasn't learnt anything from the situation. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't consider myself a victim. Andy calling me an idiot has zero effect on me. I know I'm not. He likely knows I'm not. He's just venting his spleen, and I don't care.
But a lot of people do care. A lot of people are affected by what someone like Andy, who is experienced and expert, say about them. He just should control himself. And maybe if he has to apologize when he does these things, he'll stop doing it. Maybe it doesn't matter if he's sincere if he just stops doing it.
Oh, and you do understand that indef is actually better than time-limited blocks? Valereee (talk) 23:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, if you don't see it like that. Best to stop asking for an apology if that's how you feel, just saying.
As I said in a recent comment, he'll either learn, or get banned. Everyone opposing based on the name-calling alone isn't going to have the same sympathy if he repeats the same behaviour. He's been warned, so for me and others, that seems like enough for now.
Last point is completely subjective. An indef ban can last longer than a time-limited, a time-limited could seem more beneficial as you know exactly when your ban is over (without having to engage in any groveling for example). It's not even relevant that if, for example, statistically, more users have indef bans lifted prior to time-limited expiring. Claiming it's "better" is simply your opinion. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 23:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, what's better: someone gives you a ban for six months. You try to explain, but no one want to lift it because someone thought you needed six months. Vs. Someone gives you an indef, you explain, and someone lifts it after five minutes. Which is better? Valereee (talk) 23:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Depends what you mean by explain? Explain how? If in doubt I'd take the 6 months, especially if it's to disprove a straw man argument. But in reality, we're talking about a 24 hour ban (previous proposal) vs indef (current proposal). That's where the current comparison comes from, at least in terms of severity. So I'd take a 24 hour ban over indef any day of the week (especially Mondays, I don't edit much on Mondays). CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By "explain" I mean you go "Oh, I didn't realize calling someone an idiot wasn't okay here...yeah, I can totally say I won't do that". Bam, I unblock. If what you're saying is that you'd just prefer to wait out the 24 hours and go around calling people idiots again, that's exactly why I don't give time-limited blocks, whether 24 hours or 6 months. It's because people can just wait them out and not change their behavior. Valereee (talk) 00:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm be frank with you, as I'm not daft and I don't think you are either. We both know ATG is unlikely to apologise, so an indef ban could instead last for days, weeks, months, even years if he takes the stubborn road. Obviously an indef ban would be the way to qet a quick apology, or a user not remorseful banned for potentially a very long time. This is something I don't agree with and opposed, I imagine similar to reason why others opposed, as it would be completely disproportionate given the situation. Given that you acknowledge that an indef ban would be worse than a 24 hour, why are you bothering to argue for a indef ban when there was no consensus for a 24hr? Pick your battles, seriously. This isn't the hill to die on as they say. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not acknowledging an indef is worse than a 24-hour; exactly the opposite. An indef can mean 5 minutes.
I'm looking for an apology rather than an indef because I think it's best both for Andy and for Wikipedia. The point of an indef is to get the user's compliance, which a time-limited block -- of whatever length -- cannot usually do, because they can wait it out. Valereee (talk) 00:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, let's agree to disagree then. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Draft:2024 Radboud University Nijmegen pro-Palestinian campus occupation

Hi CommunityNotesContributor, are you 'adopting' this draft? S0091 (talk) 14:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what is meant by adopting. I was asked by @RayScript assistance with the article and provide a review, so hopefully the required changes can be made in order for it to move into mainspace. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because of WP:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict which has invoked WP:ARBECR the creator, Scriptese who is not extended confirmed, cannot edit it/submit it which is why I rejected it rather than declining it (reject does not have a resubmit button). I had left a note Scriptese's talk page with the CTOP info and a suggestion. However, you are EC so what I meant by 'adopt' is to assume responsibility and move it mainspace. If that is what you or any other EC editor wants to do, there is no need to submit it to AfC for approval. Any EC editor is welcome to move it once it is ready. If you or another EC editor prefer to submit it to AfC, you can place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft (or {{subst:submit|Scriptese}} so any AfC messages goes to them). S0091 (talk) 15:37, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks for info. I'll wait for RayScript to further improve the article, then either they or I will move it mainspace all being well. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 15:40, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I'll add a comment to the draft as well. S0091 (talk) 15:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses

Are you really sure you want to proceed with the GAN? This is a currently ongoing group of events, so I could see some issues with stability due to the rapid addition of content to the article. — 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 13:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article has (in my opinion) always been stable per GA criteria "it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute" (emphasis added). Per notes at WP:GA?, the future state of the article is irrelevant here: "Stability is based on the article's current state, not any potential for instability in the future." There otherwise hasn't been any edit warring (surprisingly you might say given the topic nature) with disagreements over content have been adequately resolved on talk pages with consensus. I can understand why someone would mistakenly fail the GAN due to how recent the topic is, and the potential for future changes, but this has never stopped me from getting an article to GA status before. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do you, I guess. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 13:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was also thinking it will take 2-3 months before getting picked up anyway, and based on the current trajectory of less content being included day by day (with protests generally getting less coverage), it will likely be pretty dormant by then — which would help alleviate any (valid or not) concerns over stability. I appreciate the heads up though, even if I had already considered this issue. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to let me know where you think the instability lies though, maybe I'm missing something here. I just checked the recent history and last revert I could find (excluding self-reverts and bots) was May 3, and wasn't controversial. Prior to that, there was only one editing dispute (that was resolved on talk page) on May 2 among the list of reverts. If there's been one editing dispute in 4 weeks, 2 weeks ago, I struggle to see how this "change[s] significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute", but obviously could be very wrong here. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Involved closing

You shouldn't close discussions that you are involved in and a part of, least of all discussions that you started. The closer should be uninvolved and impartial. Even if you think the outcome is clear or obvious, there are processes around this for a reason. If you are involved and you think a discussion should be closed, your should request it at the dedicated close requests page. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:SPLITCLOSE: "Any user, including the user who first proposed the split, may close the discussion and move forward with the split" CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 07:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Andrew Tate

On 12 May 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andrew Tate, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that social media influencer Andrew Tate described himself as "absolutely a misogynist"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Tate. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Andrew Tate), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Thank you for your work on "2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses"

Outstanding work. I'm interested to see how this article and articles related to this are framed over the coming months and years. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 00:05, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red June 2024

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Requested move for Twitter article

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Closure Experience

Hey CommunityNotesContributor! Coming from the move review; thought I'd bring this here to avoid derailing the conversation there on a tangent. I think the sentiment you expressed about policy arguments is well-meaning, but I'd argue it's backwards and the sort of thing that makes Wikipedia a difficult place for newbies to grok. Participating in project discussions should have a low barrier to entry. In fact, it makes perfect sense for a new editor to have never run into a move request (or AfD or RfC or similar) before they encounter one in the areas they normally edit in. Wikipedia's policies are well grounded in common sense and good judgement; I have seen newer editors make solid policy arguments without knowing their WP:SHORTCUTS simply by focusing on sources and having a decent understanding of what matters.

Anyone closing a discussion, by contrast, should be well-versed in project space and understand the consensus process and relevant policies on a deep level. A close is intended to be a neutral and authoritative declaration of the outcome. I agree with you there were some silly comments in the RM (comes with the Twitter/X territory right now), but my biggest concern is that the close shouldn't be reflecting them. We need people willing to take on controversial and complex closes, but those people need to be experienced enough editors to discard comments that make extraordinary claims alongside "I don't have reliable sources to prove that", not such inexperienced editors that they're making those comments themselves.

I don't honestly have that strong an opinion on how the whole Twitter/X thing should shake out—I've been busy with other stuff recently and had I not seen the talk page notif I probably wouldn't even be actively editing at all right now—but I do care deeply about making Wikipedia a welcoming space for new editors. From what I've seen of your comments, I think you might care about that too, which is why I brought it up. Food for thought maybe, though then again maybe I've got the whole thing backwards myself. Dylnuge (Talk • Edits) 01:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OSU pro-Palestinian campus protests

Hey @CNC, hope you're doing well. I hope you remember me from the 2024 Ohio State University pro-Palestinian campus protests article drama. I'm just reaching out because I have made a multitude of suggestions on the talk page of that article, but you have been the only one to actually help get these changes implemented, and it seems like you're taking a break from that article.

I just wanted to ask: is there anything I can do to make it easier for you to implement the remaining changes I've requested on that article's talk page? I just want to ensure the article is at its highest-possible quality, which is difficult to do without extended-protected permissions. I've requested help across all the project pages affiliated with the article over a week ago, but zero people have helped out so far.

Thank you again for all your help. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Onlineone22 (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably clarify my name isn't CNC it's @CommunityNotesContributor, so pinging CNC doesn't work, but opening a discussion on my talk page will. I'll try and have a look when I find some time, sorry to hear nobody else has been helped. CNC (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Laura Blindkilde

Thanks for fixing the chronological order of the discussions on that page, I didn't realise I started that in the wrong place. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 England riots

Please be aware of WP:3RR in your edits to 2024 England riots and keep count of edits that unambiguously count as reverts. You are not alone against the darkness.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me. I'll ignore the BLPCRIME violations per NOT3RR, but will avoid reverting anything else. It does feel like the IP addresses are taking over though, hopefully the page can be protected again soon. CNC (talk) 13:07, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Citing news streams often labelled as "Live Reporting"

In other articles I have seen, people have cited news streams. The URL they gave was for the news stream. At the time they made the edit, it seemed to work. It was not as bad as citing the front page of a news website - but there was still a problem because the stories on show changed with time. This meant that someone looking at the article months later had difficulty verifying information.

If you look at the relevant page for today in the BBC website you will see that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0jqjxe8d1yt is the URL for the page.

But if you look at individual stories on the page, for example: Protesters face off in Weymouth, there is a button marked Share at the bottom of the story. If you then copy the link you will get this url: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c0jqjxe8d1yt?post=asset%3Af9607b97-2f2e-4cec-9fc1-607461858b87#post This gets you to that particular story. And even if 20 more stories are added to the news stream, that URL should get you to the story in question.

Please bear this in mind when making edits to 2024 United Kingdom riots.-- Toddy1 (talk) 17:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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V.J.W. AfD

What an outrageous outcome. QRep2020 (talk) 21:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These things happen. CNC (talk) 22:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right riots

This might need to be a disambiguation page, given things like Unite the Right rally, etc. Otherwise, looks good. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 19:27, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest I was surprised this wasn't already a disambg when I created it, surely there have been far-right riots before was my thinking. I don't see any references to far-right riots in the Unite the Right rally, though can obviously understand the suggestion of relevance. I'm happy for it to whatever is considered useful and meaningful at this point. CNC (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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