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Proposed deletion of Blu-ray Region Code

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Your move of Bing and related pages

Hi there Chris1294. I noticed these moves on my watchlist, and I've commented on them at Talk:Bing (Disambiguation), but I wanted to ask you to please not perform page moves the way that you did here. The multiple moves make a mess that has to be cleaned up, and also creates a mess in the page history. If you can't make a page move because of technical limitations, the correct thing to do is ask at Wikipedia:Requested moves, and an administrator will perform the move if it's reasonable to do so. In this case, however, there's a long dispute about how the various Bing pages should be organized, so they shouldn't be moved at all without prior discussion. You can read the talk page I linked for more on the dispute, or if you have any questions, you can ask me here and I'll see them and try to answer. Thanks for reading. — Gavia immer (talk) 01:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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October 2011

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November 2011

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Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Versus (TV channel) with this edit. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Jim1138 (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

December 2011

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January 2012

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Edit summary

Please leave an edit summary to let others know what your intentions are. Especially when temperarily blanking pages so I and others don't revert you and send you a warning. Thanks Jim1138 (talk) 21:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Fair use images in templates

Please be aware that the use of non-free images in templates is strictly forbidden, per terms of WP:NFCC #9 policy. You recently added a rather large number of such images to templates. This work has been undone due to this violation. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 22:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Xfinity Streampix

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Removing Speedy at Xfinity Streampix

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Category:Comcast SportsNet

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NBC Deportes listed at Redirects for discussion

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August 2012

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Blanking

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Fox Sports

Hello. Please note that per a previous discussion on Talk:Fox Sports (United States)#Requested move, the main Fox Sports page should be left as a Disambiguation page -- NOT a redirect to, or cut-and-paste move of, Fox Sports (United States). I also reverted your page move back from Fox Sports (Worldwide) because it essentially results in an "unnecessary disambiguation" title -- that is a title X that redirects to a disambiguation page with a more complex title X (Y)

If you note in that previous discussion that I personally was opposed to this current consensus, but was overruled by a number of Australian editors who watch Fox Sports (Australia) and feel that there should be NO primary topic.

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Redirects

I have reverted some of the redirects you changed regarding Fox Sports. It's not usually appropriate to change one redirect to another - if a new topic arises, usually a disambiguation page is needed. In any case, until new names are officially announced, they shouldn't be included. StAnselm (talk) 22:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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September 2013

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ShopHQ removal

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Verbage regarding "SD feed downgraded to 16x9"

Hi Chris, I noticed your edits regarding formats on several cable channels. While I agree that the info needs correcting, I think the standard sentence you're using can be confusing at best, and inaccurate from a technical point of view. Saying "SDTV feed downgraded to 16:9 480i" has a couple of problems. First, it's the HD feed that's being downgraded so that it can be seen on an SD television. In the TV community it's actually called "downconverting" although "downgraded" is probably more descriptive and a better word for the average reader, so I'd leave that alone. Saying 16:9 is also a little misleading - what the signal becomes is actually a "letterboxed 480i" signal.

I corrected one of these that I noticed by chance, and rather than go through and do the rest myself without consulting you, here's what I propose:

"(HD feed downgraded to letterboxed 480i for SD sets)"

Let me know what you think of that. Thanks! Rockypedia (talk) 01:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI articles

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HD to streaming in network articles

I am reverting these edits; there is no cause for the removal of this information, and in some cases (like HLN), the streaming platform they use is completely wrong (HLN doesn't have programming it can stream on HBO Max). Please build a consensus on WP:TV to add these sections. Thank you. Nate • (chatter) 22:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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HD in articles

These edits will be reverted and restored as not only are they sourced well, but there are still viewers in 2024 who receive these networks in standard definition, and usually on purpose because of either their equipment or because of DVR space limitations which they avoid by recording in SD instead. We don't remove parts of articles because you deem them no longer applicable personally. Nate • (chatter) 17:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Referring to HD as a "different service" or as a luxury is inaccurate. SD channels do not exist anymore.

HD has been the standard for quite some time and the SD feeds are simply downgraded versions of the HD feed. <<chramo94>> (talk) 17:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Please specify which channels still use HD branding? <<chramo94>> (talk) 17:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

And that doesn't matter; there are still viewers who purposefully watch programming in standard definition, and most providers outside Internet MVPDs still do maintain SD and HD lineups separately. This would be a decision for an WP:RFC with full consensus when and if SD lineups will be phased out for the majority of providers, not your decision to remove them alone. Nate • (chatter) 17:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Your point stands if HD branding was still used by content providers; however, HD has been the standard for over a decade while SD is used by a very small fraction of what's left of cable viewers.

A discussion should be had <<chramo94>> (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Please cite this 'small fraction' as an actual number; even barring that though, there are multiple broadcast channels carried in 480i, and there are multiple services that are SD-only because it's pointless to upgrade (classic television and the like). HD may be a current standard, but SD is still well in use and properly listed in articles, and should not be removed unless it's clear that a network no longer allows carriage in SD. Nate • (chatter) 18:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The point remains that SD feeds do not exist as providers simply downgrade the HD feed.

But I digress as we are simply rearranging the chairs on the Titanic (cable). <<chramo94>> (talk) 18:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm MikeM2011. I noticed that you recently removed content from MTV Classic without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. MikeM2011 (talk) 02:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes I’m aware of the MTV Classic situation. Was just trying to redirect MTV Classic to the only remaining MTV Classic channel which is the US version. Disambiguation page would list the defunct channels. <<chramo94>> (talk) 03:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

To turn an article into a redirect, you need to replace the content with #REDIRECT[[Target page]], however as in this case you are essentially proposing that one particular target is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, you would be best starting an WP:RM on MTV Classic (American TV channel) proposing that it be moved to MTV Classic and MTV Classic moved to MTV Classic (disambiguation). Detailed instructions for requesting moves are at WP:RMCM, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1823:FC07:8CDE:1454 (talk) 18:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Cool thanks, no harm intended <<chramo94>> (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It's cool, I've been around for years on and off myself and I still have not read all the WP:RULES, and even the intro list can be daunting, to say nothing of all the niche topic-specific stuff and unwritten norms. At most basic though when someone takes issue with a change you can't go too far wrong if you start a discussion on the talk page and leave a link to it on the user talk pages of everyone involved. Usually WP:BRD works fine, sometimes there will be an impasse and then dispute resolution comes into play, but hopefully not too frequently. If completely lost the WP:Teahouse and WP:Help desk are the best places to ask questions. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:6D9B:92F2:3115:C8CC (talk) 20:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Sundance TV, you may be blocked from editing. MikeM2011 (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

All SundanceTV international versions are defunct. Was cleaning up and updating article. What is the correct step here? Thanks. <<chramo94>> (talk) 03:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Basic cable removals

All undone. It's clearly obvious that a channel's mode of distribution is germane in the lede of the article and should not be removed, lest the average reader misunderstands inadvertently that MTV is available over-the-air with an antenna, which it isn't (which is also a common marketing tactic among terrible antenna distributors). It is 2024 and cable is still around, much to what seems to be your personal dismay. You've been warned on this obfuscation multiple times with multiple parameters, and enough is enough. Nate • (chatter) 16:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

they are not considered cable channels by their parent companies, they are tv channels that are available over cable, streaming, fiber

to consider them cable channels is to consider CBS a radio station still <<chramo94>> (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The term we go with is basic cable. It's an industry term and any other label is clumsy, overwritten and non-standard, but removing it entirely is unhelpful and obfuscation. Whatever your personal issue is with the cable industry is at large for incorrect vernacular, that's now how Wikipedia works, which is on consensus and for the layperson to be able to know how they're distributed immediately in the lede. And obviously CBS is a radio network, not a radio station. Nate • (chatter) 17:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

i have no issues with the cable industry; certain articles are far behind the curve with respect to where the industry is headed and how it's changing.

goal here is to maximize accuracy and remain current <<chramo94>> (talk) 18:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

We're here to inform readers with simple and understandable writing. If you want to edit using industry language unfamiliar to a regular reader and insult editors for maintaining that proper style, you should find other topics to edit, because the aim of Wikipedia is never to make the reader confused and lost. Nate • (chatter) 18:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

keeping pages updated with new developments is the opposite of confusing readers but i digress <<chramo94>> (talk) 18:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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