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Arbitration Enforcement Action

The following is the close of the AE discussion that you can find here

Chesdovi is topic banned from Zionism (broadly construed) and Western Wall or adding references to Palestine or Palestinians in articles that do not contain them. I have left out categories as they should be covered by the Zionism tban. Chesdovi is cautioned that high volumes of repetitive edits in sensitive areas that case disruption are to be avoided. Further controversy over such edits will result in long blocks.

If you have any questions about what this means, please feel free to ask. Spartaz Humbug! 12:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

If they are not a violation, then they well should have been, IMHO. Debresser (talk) 10:49, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
IMHO editors entrenched on another side of the dispute are not well placed to read the nuances of a restriction and should leave that to admins who are not involved. If I were to lool for further sanctions my next step would be an IBAN between Sir Joseph and Chesdovi. Unless this is something both parties relish, I'd suggest you left it for others to monitor/enforce. Spartaz Humbug! 12:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Spartaz, by "adding references to Palestine or Palestinians in articles that do not contain them" I presume you mean articles that do not at present contain them? For instance, during the AE SJ removed the P word from here. I did not pursue this during AE, and now feel slightly miffed that this uncalled for removal be allowed to stand unchecked. I had also added text here which SJ removed. I presume as the reference contains the P word, it can now not be re-added? Chesdovi (talk) 11:52, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

  • If you and Sir J are going to be edit warring over removing and restoring the word then I see bad things in both your futures. The general restriction is adding the word to a page that does not contain it. If the word is not part of a long term stable version of the page then you must leave it. If it was part of a long term stable version then a talk page consensus is required but I wouldn't like you to be the one forcing that through. I drafted that way to leave you able to edit articles already containing the word without fear of an accidental vio, not to narow the scope of the disruption to pages where you added it, had it it removed and were looking for an excuse to still argue about it. That said, there seems to be a lot of head butting between you and Sir Joseph. If it looks like they are going through your edits and removing the word to bait or taunt you then I will be very grumpy about that. Spartaz Humbug! 12:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Firstly, I don't think requiring sources or removing a weasel word is edit warring. In one of his diffs he pointed out above, I removed the word Palestine from the Textile article because the sentence before mentioned that Safed was in the Ottoman Empire. Therefore, to be neutral, and as matter of style, it did not require that his Palestine word be included. You should look at all his past edits, he has created or tried to create articles merely for the insertion of the word Palestine and that is disruptive. Nobody calls it Palestinian Minhag and indeed, Chesdovi himself inserted the translation as "Minhag Eretz Israel" and that is what it is called in common every day language and that is why I wrote the article name should be changed. It can be mentioned, if sourced where the origins lie. I try to use the talk page, but I often get no response. His most recent article Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem I tried to collaborate with him, but I am the only one posting there and many of the edits are unsourced or the source doesn't say that the person is a Chief Rabbi. I have no problem editing with him, but as Debresser can tell you more history, it is when he is entrenched and edits in a disruptive manner. That is why I asked here if it's a violation, and I didn't go to AE again. He needs to temper his editing and we'll all get along fine. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Spartaz, am I allowed to create new pages with the P word? I have been working on documenting Britain's favourite kiddush wine, Palwin and would hate to see it literally poured down the drain... Chesdovi (talk) 13:34, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Creating new pages is not covered by the topic ban (Unless its a fork). Spartaz Humbug! 14:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Which it most likely is, since Palwin is part of Carmel Winery. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:19, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Best leave it then. Spartaz Humbug! 14:33, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
I suppose I better had Afd Sabra liqueur then. Chesdovi (talk) 14:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
You know very well that's not what Spartaz meant and this is the same type of battleground editing we are used to from you. This is why you were told to ease up for a bit. Sir Joseph (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
You know what he meant and you know what I meant? How confusing. As you are the one who usually nominates pages for deletion, I will leave it to you. Unless you feel it is not a POV fork. If so, please explain. Chesdovi (talk) 15:38, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

you can always submit through AFC. Spartaz just meant that it's best that you don't submit the new article. (You might want to use AFC in the future. It's a great way to have a neutral eye, and it will make sure you don't have too much POV in the article before creation.) Sir Joseph (talk) 15:41, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

We already see here two things that are not covered by the addition to topic ban regarding the word "Palestine": 1. Chesdovi can lobby for renaming to "Palestine" 2. Chesdovi can lobby for addition of the word "Palestine" as long as he doesn't make the edit himself. Note that he can also add it any number of times once it is in the article at least once. I was unhappy with the weak formulation from the beginning, and it didn't take even a week to see why: Chesdovi can continue pushing his POV almost as before, with just the most minor restriction. I call for making the restriction a bit stronger: that Chesdovi can not add the word Palestine, or lobby for its addition. Debresser (talk) 19:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

  • who is this directed at? If it's me than use my talkpage. Spartaz Humbug! 21:02, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Debresser, Chesdovi's recent edit to the Yishuv Hayashan template seem to violate the tban. I don't want to file an AE request, but you may if you feel like it. I have asked him to self-revert, but adding Palestinian Wine to the template seems to me not an exception to the TBAN, as per what Spartaz wrote above. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Spartaz, I am a little disconcerted as to why indeed the modified ban included Palestine all together. As I recall, since January, I added the word "Palestinian" to a grand total of 4 pages: Abba of Jaffa, Avdimi of Haifa, Balady citron and Rav Tachlifa. Avdimi of Haifa and Abba of Jaffa were both created by myself and originally included the demonym "Palestinian" but were removed by Debresser (this despite the fact Palestinian rabbis was kept at Afd in 2011 and should ahve allowed for such personalities to be referred to as "Palestinian".) I did not revert. Balady citron also had included the word in Hebrew since Nov 2008. I added the English translation in May 2013 but it was removed by an IP in March 2015. When I readded it in March 2016 Jeppiz reverted claiming my edit was a TB violation. It was not. But neither did I revert. Tachlifa of the West had been know as Tachlifa the Palestinian for over 4 years and was moved unilaterally by Sir Joseph. I reverted the page name once. I do not clearly see where I went wrong regarding Palestine. Chesdovi (talk) 21:15, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
@Spartaz My comment is part of this discussion. If you want to see it on your talkpage, copy it. Debresser (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
  • You are in violation of your TBAN with your recent edit to the Yishuv Hayashan template. You are not allowed to add Palestine or Palestinian to articles. Please revert or you may be reported. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Another protracted edit war over the addition of "Palestinian"... WP:AE was much too lenient in this case. Debresser (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to report to AE. He has edited Wiki and saw this notice. Spartaz told him that he is under watch, but I don't want to be the one to bring to AE. I do think the next time he goes to AE it won't end as well. I have told him to not risk it and self-revert but so far he has failed to do so. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jewish textile industry in 16th-century Safed

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April 2016

Per User_talk:Debresser#April_2016 please be warned that your behavior will get you blocked soon enough, if not for violating WP:ARBPIA restrictions, then for intolerable behavior towards your fellow editors. Debresser (talk) 00:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Balady Citron

I would give it an hour or so as I will be blanket reverting the IP for now. The IP is a current vandal (if you look at history) likely a sock of the one who was blocked and rev-del by Black Kite earlier, who has been making personal attacks across the israel/palestine area. I have requested semi page protection so when thats in, it should settle down. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Your recent edit to your userspace might be in violation of either your TBAN or POLEMIC and should be removed. Sir Joseph (talk) 17:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

User talk:Sir Joseph

Chesdovi, please don't post on Sir Joseph's page. You realize he's confined to it while he's blocked, and he has asked you to stop. Especially, you should never restore your own comments on a user talk page if the user has removed them. In the case of a blocked user, that's downright harassment. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 22:31, 9 May 2016 (UTC).

@Bishonen: I will not repost them, but how do I deal with his stalking me? Chesdovi (talk) 22:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm a little surprised you complain of stalking by a user who has been blocked for five days. Presumably you mean there's been a longtime problem? You'd better come back with diffs, for instance to ANI, if you think that problem resumes after SJ's block. But a word of caution: the "User contributions" buttons is there for a reason. As the WP:HOUND policy says, many users track other users' edits for legitimate reasons. I do it, even apart from tracking vandals; if I feel somebody's being objectionable in one place, I look to see what they're like in other places, and I may even respond to them there. It's only if it's done "with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to the other editor" that it's illegitimate. Bishonen | talk 07:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC).
  1. 24-Jan: [1] - SJ’s 1st edit here.
  2. 26-Jan: [2] - SJ’s 1st edit here. He claims a statement made by a Fatah spokesman should not be included since "in this region, from 2010 to now is a long time". (#1 & #2 were the first set of edits made by me since May 2015. SJ was alerted to them through his involvement at Jewish boycott of the Western Wall. They were the only edits I made (besides edits at Jewish boycott of the Western Wall) in a 12 day period, and he reverted both edits. On the 13th day, he nominated Palestinian wine for deletion, see #3).
  3. 2-Feb: [3] - following me around to expunge Palestinian wine from Wikipedia. (See: [4] and #8).
  4. 9-Feb: [5] - removes "Palestine".
  5. 9-Feb: [6] - removes additions without posting to talk. Now no reference to Leibowitz exists on the page, despite multiple discussions at talk. SJ contributed to the implementation of a ban which now precludes me from editing Western Wall, a page that I brought up to GA standard and contributed over 50% of page content! Very annoying.
  6. 23-Feb: [7] – SJ has never edited on Palestinian rabbis, but he somehow “discovered” this page and unilaterally moved it without any prior discussion. I found this particularly stressful as I did not want to embark on an edit war and then SJ advocated an extension to my TB which now precludes me from re-adding the this text.
  7. 14-Mar: SJ reverts cats I had added to numerous pages: [8], [9], [10], [11] - all rabbis were anti-Zionist.
  8. 20-Mar: SJ removes a link with an erroneously assuming my edit fell under my TB: [12] - SJ’s 1st edit here.
  9. 21-Mar: [13] – removes “Palestine” from my newly created page.
  10. 23-Mar: [14] – respells Ashkenasi to include the word “*****nazi” in its place on my newly created page.
  11. 29-Mar: [15] - reports my edits, incorrectly alleging they violated my TB.
  12. 30-Mar: [16] – SJ’s 1st edit here, re-adds parent cat.
  13. 4-May: [17] – adds comment without providing any source to back up claim.
  14. 4-May: [18] – SJ patrolling my user page.
Chesdovi (talk) 13:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

FYI

Even though we don't see eye to eye on most issues, still I was surprised to notice you haven't stated an opinion at Talk:Ancient_synagogues_in_Palestine#Requested_move_4_June_2016. Debresser (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

I believe these images and galleries of similiar pictures belong in all articles on religious or other architecture, especially beautiful buildings like the Hurva synagogue. Therefore I thanked younfor your edit removing the gallery, amd reverted it. I would respectfully suggest that if you dislike the gallery layout, you rearrange the photos in the article, but there are aeveral that I believe it is imperative remain in tje article, including those depicting the new stained glass windows and the mural "By the rivers of Babylon."

What happened when you deleted the image gallery was the ratio of pictires of the old synagogue in ruins to rhose of the rebuilt synagogue increased dramatically, which, G-d forbid, some might misinterpret as anti-Semitic, and some anti-Semites might cheer. I believe part of the beauty of the Hurva Synagogue article is tje message of hope it comveys by showing this beautiful house of prayer in its rebuilt condition. I think most of the pictures should show the rebuilt synagogue and its details, since that is what exists today, with older photos to show what the old synagogue looked like, thus showing how the new synagogue is a faithful and historically accurate reconstruction, while others should show for historical interest the temporary arch, which was a beautiful memorial, like the surviving clocktowers of aome destroyed churches in Europe, but alas, not as happy a sight as the new rebuilt Shul, and lastly, at most, one or two pictures of the tragic second and hopefully last ruination of the synagogue in 1948. for historical purposes, bur without the Gallery, the images seemed to dwell on the synagogue's destruction and I found the results morbid.

Please do not revert my reatoration of the gallery: if you object to it I propose instead we negotiate a compromise solution, so please xomtact me on my talk page if you would like to work out a consensus on this issue, unless tou agree with my rationale for reverting your edit, one final aspect of whixh is that many people don't know about the Wikimedia galleries or how to search them; it behooves us, I would arfue, ro make the Wikipedia articles content-rich because otherwise people just wouldnt see those i,afes. Having not yet made aliyah to Jerusalem I had no idea for example the rebuilt synagogue had a beautiful mural "By the Rivers of Babylon" or such beautiful srained glass windows until I saw the gallery, so I believe we owe it to everyone to either keep the gallery or else integrate the beat and most interesting images i to it into the article in-line.

Shalom

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Your story wasn't sourced, this source [19] says something different.Xx236 (talk) 13:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, welcome back to Wiki. However, you seem to be editing in an area that you are TBANNED from. If you recall, you are not allowed to edit in the Zionism subject area and you haven't requested to rescind that TBAN as such it remains in force. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Can you ask them to rescind the ban for me then? Appreciated. Btw, the Holocaust is mentioned on David Ben-Gurion the grand total of three times: 1. His negotiations to claim billions of marks in compensation from Germany to prop-up his new state. 2. Obtaining nuclear arms to prevent another Holocaust. 3. Further reading which attempts to exonerate him from claims of complicity in the Holocaust. Considering that it constituted the worst crime against humanity in history, one would have thought it would have at least merited a mention on the page of the leader of the Jewish community in Palestine. What was he doing aged 56 in 1942? Picking oranges? Chesdovi (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Chesdovi, a third party is not allowed to request removal of a ban, you need to do it. I did a little digging and you have several TBANs. You have one TBAN covering the ARBPIA, you have one TBAN covering Zionism and one TBAN covering the Western Wall. You can appeal at WP:AE but my advice is to edit outside those subjects for a bit since if you just come back to Wikipedia and right away request an appeal, it doesn't look too good to jump right in to a subject that you were banned from. That is usually the track record for successful appeals. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
You need to be careful with your edits, some of your most recent edits are "broadly construed" in the TBAN area. Sir Joseph (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you aren't heeding my warning. Editing in David Ben-Gurion is a violation of your TBAN most definitely, and you will most certainly not be allowed to appeal your TBANs if you continue to skirt your TBAN. Sir Joseph (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hi. This is to acknowledge that I am in receipt of your email. However, I'd prefer to discuss any matters pertaining to the block on-wiki. Please feel free to comment, here, on your user talk page. El_C 11:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. This is to once again acknowledge that I am in receipt of your email. Now, I realize you wish to discuss your sanction privately, but I'm afraid I have to insist that we do so, here, publicly and on-the-record. Perhaps there is another admin that would be willing to discuss the matter with you privately, but in this instance, I would rather not. Sorry. El_C 17:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi again. This is to acknowledge that, yet again, I am in receipt of your email. I'm sorry, but I do not have Checkuser privileges, so I would in any case be unable to assist with that investigation. Also, please don't email me requests that, even indirectly, contravene your ban. Thank you. El_C 14:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Look, Chesdovi, regarding your latest email (4th one): I realize that you prefer to engage via email, but in this instance, I simply do not. Please respect that. El_C 16:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Please clarify how my request indirectly contravenes my ban. Many thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Chesdovi, I retract that and apologize for misreading. Indeed, it seems to be Jewish-focused rather than having much to do with ARBPIA. But again, I have no technical means to investigate this, nor am I inclined to do so otherwise. Also, almost all of your links are from 2010. So what is the rush? Once your six months are up, you are free to launch an SPI. Though I'm not sure that's something I would recommend, that remains entirely your prerogative. El_C 17:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
That's okay, I just wanted to be check viz-a-viz the ban. I also would like to understand the rationale behind using my edits at David Ben Gurion as evidence of violating the ARBPIA ban: Why were those edits deemed problematic while those to Elazar Shach or A I Kook were not? I am not aware that my edits at David Ben Gurion touched upon the Arab-Israeli conflict even by the broadest stretch of the imagination. Chesdovi (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, Chesdovi, I am not interested in relitigating the AE ban at this time. For any appeal considerations, please query the Arbitration Committee. El_C 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

The proper venue for an SPI report is at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. There was nothing in your email which needed to be reported confidentially. Your report seems more related to an edit conflict at Elazar Shach and reviving and re-litigating a 9 year old ANI report rather than a genuine SPI case. In light of your 4 emails to El C and now to me I'm revoking your talk page access and email for the duration of your block. Cabayi (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

El C - oops, I should have asked you first, I've self reverted. I've also forwarded you Chesdovi's email. Cabayi (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
It's okay, but I still prefer for that report authored by Chesdovi to be out in the open. But upon further thought, I'm not even sure this email report is at all appropriate for a blocked user to engage in. It comes across as editing by proxy, and I doubt I would allow it to take place on this talk page at this time, anyway. But a user can email the Arbitration Committee at any time. That is a sacred right which can only be revoked by the Committee itself. So, in ~6 months, it might be appropriate to raise these concerns in a compresehnsive SPI report. El_C 19:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I've also reaffirmed your action by disabling email and talk page access. I should have done it myself sooner. El_C 19:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

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Your edits on Elazar Shach

Before continuing your editing on what has been a highly contentious subject without seeking consensus on the talk page, might I suggest you familiarize yourself with; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not Otherwise it seems this will just end up back in arbitration. Most of the changes you seem to be making have been debated and decided by consensus over the past few years. Also, the Jewish Observer most certainly wouldn't qualify as a source under wp:rs and most of your recent additions fail wp:exceptional Also note that obituaries are not reliable sources. Londoner77 (talk) 07:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Dovid, I thought you'd left Wikipedia? After Yom Tov I will expose you for operating multiple sock puppet accounts. Chesdovi (talk) 15:39, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Table

Hi Chesdovi, would you have time to help us fill out Talk:Islamization of Jerusalem#Table of sites from "International Forum for a United Jerusalem"? The intention is to identify the 58 Jerusalem synagogues damaged during 1948. I am conscious you have built many articles in this area. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict...please fill out my survey?

Hello :) I am writing my MA dissertation on Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I noticed that you have contributed to those pages. I will be looking at the process of collaborative knowledge production on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and the effect it has on bias in the articles. This will involve understanding the profiles and motivations of editors, contention/controversy and dispute resolution in the talk pages, and bias in the final article.

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I would greatly appreciate if you could take 5 minutes to fill out this quick survey before 8 AUGUST 2021!

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Your emails

Hi. I got your three emails. I hope you don't mind that I'm responding here, since the issues you brought up don't seem to require off-wiki discussion. This seems like a content dispute, and as such, I can't really take sides. I'm not quite sure from what you wrote if you're talking about the user in question being a sockpuppet, but if that's where you're going, WP:SPI is where you need to address that. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@RoySmith, can you see what's happening here? Chesdovi (talk) 18:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm afraid this still seems like a content issue, which I'll be unable to help with. I'm also unclear why you selected me to write to about this. Was I involved in this in some way that I've forgotten about? -- RoySmith (talk) 19:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Elazar Shach page

Thank you for opening an organized discussion on the Elazar Shach talk page. I've begun to respond to the issues you raised, but time does not allow me to complete this now and it will likely take me a few days. I'm not necessarily addressing all the issues you raise in any particular order... Winchester2313 (talk) 05:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Mazraat el-Btadiniye for deletion

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Warring on Elazar Shach

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Elazar Shach. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. -- Winchester2313 (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

This is a false accusation. Chesdovi (talk) 22:30, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Shaar Hashamayim Yeshiva

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Jonatan Meir's book? Chesdovi (talk) 14:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Your request to amend your tban

Just recording the conversation here so we have a record in your talk page history of the advice given. This will make reviewing your restrictions easier. Spartaz Humbug! 15:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

  • re your comment You don’t get to decide if a block was legitimate or not. It was levied, not overturned, no consensus it was wrong so its legitimate. Therefore your request to vary your tbans is premature. Don’t agree? You can appeal to AE or AN but I suspect its likely to backfire if you do it. Spartaz Humbug! 23:13, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
    • All I wanted to know was if adding that DBG ate pork constituted a T-BAN violation as I was clearly advised that doing so would not be, yet along comes another Admin and slaps on a block without asking me to explain my edits viz-a-viz the T-BAN. Fascinating how one Admin can refuse to accept the decisions of other Admins who had advised back in 2016 what constituted my TBAN and is then supported for sanctioning me for editing in accordance with my T-BAN. Good night. Chesdovi (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
    • @Spartaz: I also want to know if adding "Already pregnant with their first child, Amos married Mary Callow, an Irish gentile...etc.." to DBG also violates the TB, as well as whether if adding "Modern Orthodox philosopher Yeshayahu Leibowitz considered Ben-Gurion to have hated Judaism more than any other man he had met" is also a violation. Chesdovi (talk) 22:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
      • Were you blocked for them? If you were did you successfully appeal?Spartaz Humbug! 09:42, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
        • @Spartaz: Yes, I was ultimately blocked for adding information relating to Ben-Gurion's relationship with religion on the premise that it violated a ban on editing the Israel-Palestine conflict area or on Zionism. I did not have the patience to log an official appeal and waited out the block. I now wish to edit at Elazar Shach, which includes his stance on Zionism, and am simply asking that the Zionism (an I guess by extension in this case, the I-P TBAN) ban be lifted on this page alone that I may be allowed to do. Chesdovi (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
          • You need to demonstrate trouble free editing in a less contentious area before there is any chance of your being released from any of the tbans. Broadly construed means precisely that. Its means you should not touch any article or content with any relation to your tbans in any way. Spartaz Humbug! 18:24, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

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  • Per this thread you acknowledge editing Elazer Shach is a tban vio as you asked for it to be waived to allow you to edit it. You were then warned by me that the previous edits were vios but continue to edit it after being told I would not chance your tbans. You then compound it, you make an edit to a section on zionism in your sandbox. I can't really see that as anything other than a breaching experiment so its time for more reflection on your part about how you can continue to edit without breaching your various tbans Spartaz Humbug! 10:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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Joseph Karo

It's frankly astonishing that your false edits to the lede to an important page like Joseph Karo remained up for 12 years. I am not surprised to find you blocked. Please refrain from editing the page again. GordonGlottal (talk) 18:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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