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Rude Boy

I already started working on the article you can see the Background and composition section [here, i think it's decent. I suggest we work together on it. Are you for? Tomica1111 (talk) 13:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm happy with how the article is at the moment, I'm waiting for it to be PR'd. To be honest, I don't want to do a load of joint editing, I want to stand on my own two feet. I'm fine with joint editing Rated R with you, but I don't want to continue it with other articles, because I don't want other people coming to me asking for the same thing. Don't take this the wrong way :S. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

GAN update

Just wanted to let you know that I addressed all of the original issues with the article as well as address the new issues concerning the lack of information that were keeping it from GA status. Also, I received comments from Wikipedian Penguin, who noted two other issues (which I fixed) and said otherwise there weren't any other issues that he could see. Rp0211 (talk2me) 17:34, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey

Starting a new section lol. For "Bye Bye", it clarifies it in the next sentence.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:42, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

What?? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 21:58, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
You wrote another issue on the "Bye Bye" review. It turns out it is already clarified in the next sentence. Please take a look.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
That's my point, it's in the next sentence, it's not clear. It just says a live rendition of Bye Bye. To me, you should state there and then in the same sentence where this live rendition took place. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Work It Out (Beyoncé Knowles song)

Frankly telling you, NO. I have been very busy on Best Thing I Never Had. Thank you very much Calvin. You are very patient and sometimes i wonder from where you get that patience to review so many articles. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

You think I am patient?! I am probably the most impatient person in the world! haha. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:50, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
A biog NO to this Calvin. I have never seen someone doing so many GA reviews on Wikipedia. And i really like how Rihanna now has someone who works on her articles. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:59, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Lol seriously I am so impatient. When we are in a restaurant, if my dinner doesn't come up within 5 minutes I get so annoyed! haha. Yeah I quite like reviewing articles, sometimes more than editing, but it depends on the article I am reviewing. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I hate eating in restaurants. Lol. And same here but for something close to reviewing. I love editing but only songs i like. Anyway Calvin, how are you? How's life going on? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:15, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I am good, I'm trying not to be on my here editing because I literally spent about 12 hours on here yesterday, reviewing 8 articles and completely copy-editing Rude Boy for a PR, so my back really hurts from hitting at a desk all day, but it's not working, I am still on here! haha. Have your exams finished yet?? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:17, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I was just the way you are right now 8 months back. Since then, i have changed because my results started disappointing me. I used to be first in my class. Then, all of a sudden, i tumbled to fourth. So that's why i have stopped editing frequently. I have more exams (final ones) in October, November and December 2011. Then, i will take a job in a call center. In September 2011, i will start university. And you? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Lol I'd be happy with fourth, you can't exactly be bottom of the class, fourth is still pretty good. WHen you start uni, I will be in my final year of uni. lol. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Lucky you. I think i will be at university for at least 7 years as i want to become a doctor. I wonder when i will get married, settled down, and most importantly when my wife will give me a child (preferably a son). Lol. I know you may be thinking that i should not worry about all that at such a young age but getting married is one of the things i want the most in life. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
I have to go now. Before i go, please see this gif here at the bottom of this page

www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=80903&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=7825

Have a nice laugh. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, "When your wife will give you a child, preferably a son"? Jivesh, we aren't in the 1600s anymore :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Jivesh, take each day as it comes and live life to it's fullest. We are only on this planet once for such a spec of time, don't worry about what might or might not happen. You never know what's round the corner :). Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 00:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh Calvin, thanks for those words. You talk like my elders. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:09, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Signature

Hi, my username is Anger-Cola. I've just thought that your signature was changed from "999" to "NaNaNaC'mon", so while "999" is part of your username, "NaNaNaC'mon" came from the lyrics of some other song. How did your signature change over time? A\/\93r-(0la 01:46, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

You just go into your preferences and play around with the code. I copy and paste it into m talk page so there is more space for me yo play around with it. I basically changed each 9 to a Na, then added another bit for C'mon! Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 13:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. The first "Na" is set to orange, the second "Na" set to green, and the third and final "Na" set to red. In addition, "C'mon!" is painted in purple. "Calvin" is always in the blue colour, though that word is followed by a bullet. A\/\93r-(0la 20:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Erm, yeah, I know. I made it...Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 21:06, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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Non-free files are only allowed in mainspace, so better remove the Only Girl video screenshot. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:02, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 22:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
WP:NFCC#9 states that non-free images [like the Only Girl (In the World) screenshot on your profile] are not allowed in userspace. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 22:36, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh I really liked that one there aswell! What ones can I use then of Rihanna? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:25, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
You could try something from the Last Girl on Earth or Loud concerts. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:28, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus

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Nomination of Everything (Lifehouse song) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether Everything (Lifehouse song) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed here until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence and not on a majority of votes that follow Wikipedia policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Rp0211 (talk2me) 16:27, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Questionable GA review practices

You are invited to join the discussion at User_talk:Two_Hearted_River/Sandbox3. You are receiving this message because you are one of the twelve editors I have identified concerning questionable GA review practices. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 03:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Re

Hi Calvin? How are you my friend? Where is the massage? Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:08, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

All of the CKB points. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 13:12, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Re:Hey

Hey, Calvin999. I understand that because of the good article situation, it is in your best interest not to review my article to avoid further conflict. It is probably a good thing that it waits on the nomination page until someone else can review it. Thanks for your time. Rp0211 (talk2me) 18:23, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

CKB

Lead

  • Link ballad.
  • Change rock to rock music (as it is in the wiki-link).
  • Change "who both praised and criticized Rihanna's vocal performance." to who had polarized opinions concerning Rihanna's vocal performance.
  • Rihanna's singles are huge in the US. Even though this one was an exception, you should mention it. See Run the World (Girls)' lead. You may also read WP:LEAD.
  • Change "about how she is desperate for her lover to show his real feelings." to "about how she is desperate for her love interest to show her his real feelings.
  • Link set list
     Done all. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:48, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Background, release and composition

 Done Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Andy Gill of The Independent praised Rihanna's vocal performance in the song, calling it her "best vocal performance", however, Robert Copsey of Digital Spy criticized her vocals, stating that "She [Rihanna] belts out in a range well beyond her natural vocal ability."
This seems to be critical reception to me rather than composition. And Digital Spy should not be italicized.
No I don't think so. It is talking about her vocals, which makes up part of the composition, as they are intrinsically link to one and other. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:51, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Also, If I can comment, the audio sample should be reduced to 22 seconds, otherwise, should be removed, and this one is 25 :/ ! Tomica1111 (talk) 16:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Critical reception

Chart performance

  • Change "Before officially being released as a single" to Without being released as a single because things like official singles do not exists. A single remains a single. Or if you want, you can simply changed it to Before officially being released but do not include the word single with official.
     Done Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
  • The song has since been certified by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA), for sales of over 70,000 copies.
Add that it was certified platinum.
Either remove in the United Kingdom ore change on the UK Singles Chart to on its Singles Chart.
If you choose the second option also change on the UK R&B Chart to its R&B Chart.
Looks like someone did this already. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Music video

  • I have moved the image so that it does not disrupts the structure of the article.
  • Link [[music video] here and in lead as well.
     Done Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Change "who has frequently worked with Rihanna, including directing the videos for other singles from Loud, "Only Girl (In the World)" and "Man Down"." to who has frequently worked with Rihanna. Mandler directed the videos for other singles from Loud including "Only Girl (In the World)" and "Man Down". The sentence did not read well.
 Done Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 Done Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Live performances

Nice. I really love the article now. And CKB is definitely in my top 20 list of 2011. Goodnight for now. See you later. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I forget you are like 4 hours in front lol. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Track listing

Check on It and work it out. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I will have a look tomorrow my friend. Please bear with me. Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

"Wait Your Turn"

Hey, it's the reviewer of that article. I have nothing to do right now and I can start reviewing. However, seeing how you are involved in a few other reviews ("S&M" (song), Loud (Rihanna album), "Love the Way You Lie" and several pending nominees), I can move on to reviewing other articles and come back to WYT when you're ready. I mean, if you're sure you can get through this within a matter of days, that's fine with me and I can start the review right away. Other nominators may become frustrated on me and I will have to review theirs soon as I promised. Thank you, —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

No you can start now. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:34, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Only Wish (This Year) (2nd nomination)

Hey, would please participate in this discussion? Thank for your time. -- ipodnano05 * leave@message 03:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

RE: Rihanna genres

This is why we have to be careful over genres... here. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:29, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not reading all of that. But to me, Musicnotes is perfectly reliable and used by a lot of editors, it's about the only website that provides all the composition info about a song, including the genre(s). To me, if you are saying that for genres it is not reliable, then it can't be reliable for anything. It either is or it isn't, not just some info and not other info. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 22:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
All of that explains why you cant use multiple reliable sources to claim that A + B = C. Music notes is not reliable for genres for the same reason that Allmusic's infobox is not reliable. The notes provided by music notes come direct from the artist/label. The genres do not... they are provided by the website so that they can catagorize songs. It is for this reason that you cannot claim a song is R&B just because it charted on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. Equally containing 'elements' does not make a song of that genre. Finally USA Today is a tabloid and thus NOT reliable for providing genres as there is no musical expertise or knowledge to base the opinion on, Equally you may wish to visit sources like Popcrush which show no evidence of reliability. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 22:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
tinged means it contains elements of, or is flavoured with. Past discussions particularly with Rihanna articles have shown that the source has to implicitly stage that it is a "rock song". — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 18:01, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I believe that I put enough foundation to explain that the song " Cheers (drink to that) " is of a kind Dancehall Pop. This way that I do not explain because I me eliminate everything what investigates and Poprock put without ningun on foundation in reference, being that I put 3 references... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Potros salvajes ardientes (talk • contribs) 23:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Who is this? Sign off your post. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Good article nomination for Wait Your Turn

There are several issues needed to be addressed. See the full review here. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Favor

Hey Calv. So I don't usually have this problem, but I have become so immersed in "Obsessed", and wrote it when I was out of it (no pun intended lol.), that I need some outside eyes. Can you do a basic copy-edit on it here in my sandbox? :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 16:59, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol I'll try and do some tonight, I'm going out at 7:30, which is in and hour and twenty minutes. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Sure, no rush! Since you can't review them anymore, your help will have to be transitioned to something else :P Do prose stuff, like what you would find in a GA review. Have fun and don't get too drunk :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:21, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Lol I am going out with friends but we are going here lol. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:23, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Lmao. I tell you Calv, if you get drunk at a golf course, that is sad :P So you're staying sober tonight ;)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Haha. Well I am driving too, so no chance of drinking! Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:34, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hi, thanks for commenting on the Lucky Day deletion btw, but one thing, you need to remove the Loud album cover in your sandbox, but great job on the article! Thanks, --FeuDeJoie (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Sales source

Hi. Would you mind commenting on this post at the RS noticeboard regarding the reliability of a sales source? Dan56 (talk) 18:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

GENDER OF CHEERS

I believe that I put enough foundation to explain that the song " Cheers (drink to that) " is of a kind Dancehall pop. This way that I do not explain because I me eliminate everything what investigates and Poprock put without ningun on foundation in reference, being that I put 3 references... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Potros salvajes ardientes (talk • contribs) 23:39, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Rihanna's a girl. You did ask for the gender, right? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:40, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
To "Potros salvajes ardientes", you don't need to put the sources for the genres in the info box if they are explained and source in the Composition section. That's why I reverted you. What you wrote is still there, it's just in a different place. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
To what I go, it is that the song is not pop rock, bony the great majority of the critics, portals, etc they see her as a Caribbean pace, and since it is not possible to make Caribbean, the pace about that he re-is sorry sounds loudly in the song is the dancehall and the pop, but I not eh neither listened rock nor pop rock, and the great majority of the portals
I'm really not understanding what you are trying to say. A song doesn't have to consist of just one genre. The song is Pop rock because of the influence from the I'm With You sample and Rihanna vocal stylisation is very Caribbean, which translates to the Dancehall genre. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
i sorry, i not speak english, i wear traductor... I do not think the pop rock, but no matter, the pop would also have to be put as a genre
No, because Pop rock is a variation of Pop, meaning that it is still a mix of Pop. lol. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 00:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk back

On the review page. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:03, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Disturbia

Hey Calv, how are you? What's up? I need some favor from you. I'm working on "Disturbia" to make it GA. However, I'm finding some trouble with the video section - I can find some reliable sources for the Background of it. Can you search something? Thanks Tomica1111 (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey. You can find sources? Or do you mean you can't?. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Haha. yeah I CAN'T. My mistake :) ! Tomica1111 (talk) 09:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Rated R

We can start the article editing. I am free. Tomica1111 (talk) 22:23, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

But obviously not now, lol, it's 11:25pm here! We will follow the same layout and structure as Loud. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 22:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
LOL yeah :) ! Ok It can be the same, however here is so much info, about the recording and for Loud there was not, so the Background and Recording will be different sections :) ! Tomica1111 (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Wait Your Turn GAN Caution

Calvin, there's a third banner up on the article and the live performances section may be over-detailed. You might want to trim it down a bit because the last thing I want is to fail this GAN after you working so hard on LTWYL GAN. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:16, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing in Wait Your Turn#Live performances

Hi, Calvin. I'm afraid the Wait Your Turn article you wrote may incorporate a copyright infringement of an MTV article it cites, since the text is very closely paraphrased. While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. For an example of close paraphrasing, consider the following:

  • The performance featured Rihanna wearing a skintight white catsuit bisected by cut-out lines that revealed horizontal lines of skin across her body, spiked shoulder pads, white studded cuffs and a barbed-wire bracelet "snaking up her right forearm."[32] The performance started with a sci-fi themed clip featuring an ominous voiceover that intoned, "Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you who are easily frightened, we suggest you turn away now. To those of you who think they can take it, we say: Welcome to the madhouse," a seeming homage to Vincent Price's cackling narration of Michael Jackson's Thriller video. The video sequence featured images of Rihanna, thought the audience has not seen her face yet, whilst strapped to a medical table with shiny instruments covering her breasts and pelvis area, as a team of blue ghost figures implanted a series of computer chips into her body while she sprang to life, reminiscent of how Frankenstein was brought to life.[32] As the silver mask was removed from her face, the figure was revealed to the audience to be Rihanna whilst the camera panned to the stage, where the singer was strapped into a X-shaped rigging, her arms and legs splayed as the start of "Wait Your Turn" began to play. The brightness of the lights increased, clearly revealing Rihanna as she sang the first line, "I pitch with a grenade," with one hand freed from her "S&M-like device."[32] Dancers with white shotguns swirled around RIhanna and a nest of TV sets behind her displayed static visuals, whilst Rihanna stepped down from the cross and strutted amid towers of flames shooting up from the stage and completing half of the song before transitioning into "Hard". As lasers searched the air, the lights dimmed and red tracer beams shot out of the studs on her shoulder pads and the song ended with a group of backup dancers wearing plexiglass boxes on their heads over gas masks, wielding the aforementioned firearms took aim while Rihanna raised her arms in triumph and a voice warned: "Rihanna's reign ain't gonna let up."[32]

The source article says:

  • In keeping with the dark vibe of the photos and videos she's released from the album so far, Rihanna's performance led off with a sci-fi themed clip featuring an ominous voiceover that intoned, "Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you who are easily frightened, we suggest you turn away now. To those of you who think they can take it, we say: Welcome to the madhouse," a seeming homage to Vincent Price's cackling narration of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" video. The opening video sequence featured images of a woman strapped to a medical table with shiny instruments covering her privates, as a team of blue ghost figures implanted a series of computer chips into her body while she sprang to life, Frankenstein style.
With a silver mask removed, the figure was revealed to be Rihanna and the camera panned to the stage, where the singer was strapped into a X-shaped rigging, her arms and legs splayed as the thrum of her single "Wait Your Turn" filled the air. The lights came up and Rihanna sang the deadpan first line, "I pitch with a grenade," with one hand freed from her S&M-like device. Also in keeping with the fetish-style outfits she's been wearing lately, Rihanna was decked out in a neck-to-ankles, skintight white catsuit bisected by cut-out lines that revealed horizontal bits of flesh across her body, and topped off with spiked shoulder pads, white studded cuffs and a barbed-wire bracelet snaking up her right forearm.
As dancers with white shotguns swirled around and a nest of TV sets behind her displayed static, Rihanna stepped down from the cross and strutted amid towers of flames shooting up from the stage. Backed by an industrial rock group that resembled a Nine Inch Nails tribute band and holding a Freddie Mercury-style half-microphone stand, she burned into herYoung Jeezy collabo, "Hard," dropping the line "the hottest sh-- in heels right here," while putting her high-heeled white vinyl boots up on a vintage TV prop as proof.
With lasers searching the air, the lights dimmed and red tracer beams shot out of the studs on her shoulder pads and the song ended with a group of backup dancers wearing plexiglass boxes on their heads over gas masks and wielding the aforementioned firearms took aim while Rihanna raised her arms in triumph and a voice warned: "Rihanna's reign ain't gonna let up."

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Please let me know if you have questions about this. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll re-word it, but it will obviously still contain quotes for specific information. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I c/e it, it's a bit longer now with only a few quotes. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm afraid that did not solve the problem. It's still basically an idea-for-idea rewrite of the Kaufman article. I'm guessing he's the only person who's written such a detailed description of the performance and that's why you're relying on his article so much, but why does the reader need that much detail in our article? Would our understanding suffer if you summarized it to three or four sentences? Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 15:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
It's in my own words. Either way, that is the order of what happened, so mine and his are bound to be alike in terms of sequencing of events. Like you kept saying yesterday, I am being broad in my coverage and providing a lot of research about the performance. Plus, mine is actually longer and elaborates more on Kaufman's article, when I saved it, it said in my watchlist that the article was +900. It's not often that such a detailed description of a performance is made available, and this is only a short article, so it helps the article be more informational. So I am really against making it 3 or 4 sentences, because I think it's really good that was a detailed description is there. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:49, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter that it's in your own words, each idea is the same. It also doesn't matter how fleshed out the other sections of the article are or how much a non-infringing rewrite would shorten the article. At any rate, I'm seeking a third opinion on this using WP:THIRD. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:15, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
It does matter. Re-writing it makes it my own work, I am not using the same terms as Kaufman, I've given my own description. Wasn't you taught this in school? As long you re-write something and put it into your own words, it is not copying and is acceptable. I fail to see why you don't understand that the similarity is the order of sequencing in which we have both written, because that is the order of the the performance she gave, it's chronological. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
While we're at it, the previous section is also a close paraphrase. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 16:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Two Hearted River here with a message from Calvin999 copied from my talk page: Feel free to c/e the Music video Synopsis, but I am really gonna fight for the description of the AMAs to remain as it is, because it is in my own words and I wrote it, with reference to only a couple of quotes (Kaufman is also noted at the start). It doesn't matter who writes the description, that order will be same every time no matter who writes it, because that is the order in which the events happen in the performance, and there is nothing wrong with that and it is obviously the correct way to write about something. Calvin• NaNaNaC'mon! 19:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

My solution to the music video synopsis problem would be to delete the section so as to avoid legal trouble with MTV. You might rewrite it from scratch if that doesn't seem like a good idea to you. Here's a good way to do it (that applies to the other section, too): read the source article, then put it away and write your own summary without consulting the source while you write. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 19:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I can do that for the music video synopsis, but If I did that for the AMA performance, it would probably be longer and near-on identical to what I have written already. I think my AMA description is not like the MTV one, mine is longer and I use a different vocabulary, and have expanded upon what Kaufman wrote. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Here's why I tagged the "Music video" section: It offers no insight. Has any reliable source seen fit to analyze the video rather than just describe it? Without knowing the reasons behind any of the choices made by the director/Rihanna/anyone else, the description of the video itself could be synopsized in one or two sentences and our understanding wouldn't suffer. (Why does the reader need to know what she was wearing in every scene?) Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 18:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
What she is wearing the in the video is apart of the whole images created. Otherwise there is nothing to talk about. Synopsis section's don't need sources. And I have completely re-written it now, there is none of that MTV source there, so the close paraphrasing thing can go. It was just a promo video. I don't get why you think all the answers to every question you pose to me exist, they don't. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Response to third opinion request:
Yes, the examples quoted above takes too much from the original article and presents it as if it is original Wikipedia material. It needs rewriting.—OpenFuture (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
The music video synopsis is nothing like the MTV one, because I just re-wrote it after watching the video, so that is redundant. And I put the AMA description into my own words. You can't get around the chronological order of what happened in the performance, no matter who writes it. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:30, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
The first synopsis above is very much like the second synopsis above, if that is what you meant. It takes way more than just the chronological order that is the same. If both sources in turn get the wordings from a third source doesn't change anything. If it is a quote from AMA, then it should be presented as such. Else, this is plagiarism and possibly a copyright breach. Sorry. --OpenFuture (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
For the music video synopsis, I deleted the MTV one and I wrote my own one, if you would have looked at the difference, you would know that, so I don't see why that is still a problem. And for the AMA description, it had put it as a quote, but was told not to do that. So, I put it into my own words and removed anything that the MTV reviewer specifically noted, again, if you would look between previous revisions, you would know that. So I don't see how I am plagiarising still, because both are in my own words. That is my point. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, of the conflict doesn't concern the quotes above any more, since you asked for a third opinion, maybe you can come to a consensus now? :-) --OpenFuture (talk) 21:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
If those banners don't apply now, then that's it, right? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 11:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't understand the question. --OpenFuture (talk) 13:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
You thought the disagreement was over the original version of the paragraph, then saw it had been modified and concluded that you weren't really needed, which Calvin999 somehow took to mean you sided with him. Now he wants you to say that the tags on the article page no longer apply. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 13:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
OK.
Calvin: I offered an non-involvd opinion on the disagreement as it was stated. Please understand that I have no time or intention to get dragged into this conflict. You seem to have come to a partial agreement along the way. I recommended that you asked for a NEW 3O on the new disagreement, as the old one which I answered was no longer relevant. As I understand it, this has been done. What you should do:
1. Discuss the issue in an effort to reach a consensus.
2. When you aren't getting any further, ask for a 3O, and state the current conflict clearly in a neutral manner here. Don't ask for a 3O if you are still in the process of discussing a compromise.
3. Wait for a third opinion. If you suddenly are able to work together towards a resolution before the 3O has been answered, remove the 3O request.
See WP:Dispute Resolution for more information on this process. --OpenFuture (talk) 14:08, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


Response to third opinion request:
I saw another 3O request, and am providing one. The article sections in question still contain close paraphrasing - superficial changes -and- poor source and quote citation. It needs rewriting. Still.--Elvey (talk) 16:22, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not asking to get involved with any conflict, I just wasn't sure what you was trying to say. I never asked for a 3O, and still maintain that at least the music video synopsis no longer needs a sectin banner, because I completely re-wrote it and it is completely different. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Because of your efforts...

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For your hard work and patience into making "Wait Your Turn" a certified good article, despite the odds. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:38, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Lol thanks. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Jennifer Lopez discography/archive1

Hi, can you please participate in [1]? Thanks. Btw I voted of course Oppose. The article it's great. Tomica1111 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I'm not really aquainted with the FL process, so I don't think I can really comment. And thanks :) Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay :) ! Tomica1111 (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Something wrong

Of course not! What makes you think you did something wrong? Often I choose not to archive comments left on my talk page, but I mean no offense. I tend to only archive things that I will need for future reference. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Ohh right. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion, but nothing is wrong. I will take a look at the discussion. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:09, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Lol okay thanks. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:19, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Loud

Calvin what are we doing with the article? If we do not manage to do the references, will fail until Friday. Hey, I'm not home tomorrow until maybe 17-18 o'clock. Can you work on the article a little bit, and I will continue when I come home? I really do not want to fail Tomica1111 (talk) 23:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I've already started going through the sections which needed much reference work. I will do it all tomorrow. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok, If you can't handle the work, let some sections, I will do them, when I'm home ;) ! Tomica1111 (talk) 23:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
No it's fine. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 23:54, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Double Voice

Thanks for your explanation. Calvin, last time at the GAR, you did not really understand what i meant for the composition section. I told you to use material from the critical reception and not just do a copy-paste. Do you want me to post you some guidelines which will help you know how to craft a composition section step by step so that you do not miss anything? Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you see how you saying "use material from the critical reception section" can be easily misunderstood if you don't specifically say that? I'm confused about what you are even talking about now Wait Your Turn? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 11:19, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
But Calvin, what i said was right. A composition section is normally crafted from information in reviews itself. No, i am not questioning the GA status of WYT. If it was so, i would have agreed with THR on the GAR. And i even defended you. Di you see the reply i left him? He could not even reply to that. Anyway, here it is (line by line):
  • Type of song (ballad), genres.
  • Influences or elements of other music genres. (There is a difference between drawing from a genre and containing elements of a genre.)
  • Type of beat
  • Instrumentation present (add some adjectives, like soaring, ambient, etc)
  • Mention if the song is similar to another one
  • Lyrical content>>> reference to what?
  • What is the first verse about?
  • The chorus?
  • The second verse?
  • Is there a bridge before the singer delivers the chorus for the last time or does he/she repeat it twice instead?
  • The vocals he/she adopts for each verse

Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

What? I'm so confused. I never said that that you questioned it's GA status and I know you posted on the GAR page, what are you getting at? I simply misread what you said. I thought you mean't that you just wanted me to put some reviews about the composition into the composition section. And with regard to your bullet points above Jivesh, you know I can only write about those things if there are reliable sources to back them up, and there aren't. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Well i thought that was what you meant from your last sentence. Anyway, let's not carry these useless talks. Trust me Calvin, there should be reliable sources to back all that. If there weren't, them how do you think me and Nathan do those composition sections. When you expand an article, you should try t o have a look at every single review an album got. The number of reviews can sometimes cross 40. I mean, from reliable sites. It is true Calvin. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I know. But I've never seen reviews talk about each verse/chorus/bridge and it's lyrical meaning in an album review. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 21:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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Compostion

If it's okay with you, if you have time, could you add all that music notes info on "Love the Way You Lie"? I'm talking about the chord progression and anything of that nature. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the chord progression of the song. You've already included BPM, Key and Vocal range though? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:32, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
That's right. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
So I don't really understand what you are asking of me. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:36, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, It's fine if you don't know the chords. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:42, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and everytime I send you a message, don't worry, I have you on my watchlist. 12:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay lol Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:45, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Fastily#Hello

Hey Calvin. Hope you're well. User:Two Hearted River has responded to your post at User_talk:Fastily#Hello; perhaps you might be interested in commenting. I'm going to hold my tongue for now, because, while I could verbally rip him/her to shreds, s/he appears to be, albeit misguided, a good-faith user. That aside, I still intend to review and potentially close the discussion within 2 days. Best, FASTILY (TALK) 02:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Note: I have brought this dispute to the dispute resolution noticeboard. Two Hearted River (paddle / fish) 14:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Cheers (Drink to That)

You can clearly see what happened through the article's history. What do you think ? You are my idol so I copy all the time?! Obviously no, that was also my idea. Btw It stays Tomica1111 (talk) 16:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

What article history? And that quote doesn't fit or make sense there. It completely disrupts. If I am your idol, then take my advice. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:56, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Definetelly U R noT! You know on Wikipedia, every article has it's history. Also there is an article called "Cheers (Drink to That)" which also has a history. You can clearly see that I put a quote first! Tomica1111 (talk) 16:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Whatttttt? I don't get what you are saying. I added a side quote in by Avril to the Background section, then you put the Billboard side quote after. But anyway. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
And I can't help that you was edit conflicted. You edit conflicted me several times too, but that can't be helped. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
However, I will not argue anymore, in honor of old good times, that are not the same anymore. Btw "Cheers" will be compiled nomination. I feel that I also contributed sorely on the article Tomica1111 (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
What do you mean "in honor of old good times, that are not the same anymore"? And Tomica, I created the article and wrote the foundations of it and created all sections apart from the Music video section, which you did not solely write and required much copy-editing. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, with those statements of you I am not sure anymore. So what if you created it? OK, it's obviously that my grammar is worse (English is my second language, for you first) than yours and you fixed my mistakes, however, I contributed in the lead, composition, critical reception and wrote the whole video section. Much c/e? Don't think so. I definetelly think that I deserve to be credited in it. You can see how many edits I made to the article. It's wouldn't be fair. Tomica1111 (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

What statements? I don't get what you are getting at. It has everything to do with it that I created the article, and I provided the foundations for it. Yes you have contributed in the Critical reception and Music video sub sections, but looking at the article's history, but for the Background and composition, this, this, this and this are hardly significant edits, they are minor. And as for the Lead, there is no record of you making edits to it in the article history there. And you really should write an edit summary. When did we ever agree to co-nominating? If you wanted to co-edit and co-nominate, you should have asked me, not spring on me and tell me what is happening. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

It's obvious that I made contributions to the article. I was really pissed off with your comments like, "some refs were not formatted correctly, wrong linking, and wrong information. Corrected all.". You could just corrected and write CORRECTIONS. However, I am asking now for co-nomination. I think it's kind of early for nominating, but when the nomination comes I would also like to participate in it. Tomica1111 (talk) 17:52, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
What's happening between you two? Please stay amicable. You two are good friends and should not argue over this. Calvin, Tomica, in my opinion really deserves credit here, because you have 76 contributions while he/she (sorry i do not know if you are a boy or a girl) has 72 contributions. Both numbers are considerable. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:25, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
An Calvin, you are welcome for that Neon Limelight issue. The article is good though i must say it can be miles better. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:26, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Calvin, make it a must not to include only positive reviews. Have at least 2 or 3 mixed ones and hmmmmm 1 or 2 negative ones. Or simply, post everything you have. But do not have a massive section just for reception. For instance, the one i have made for "Run the World" is massive and i need to trim it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, the edit count is irrelevant. Look here at Rude Boy, I have only ever made 14 edits to the article out over 2,000, but I c/e the article in one, yes one, edit, then I took it to GAN. And yeah I know, it's still a work in progress. I just don't like how I am being told that we are co-nominating, it's news to me. I've made it clear before that I didn't want to do any more co-nominations and that Rated R would be my last. This entire thread is the exact reason why I don't want to do co-nominations. I want to stand on my own two feet and do things myself with having to rely on someone else. I don't mean that rudely or offensively, but I think other's should follow my advice. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC) AND I think there are negative reviews of the song, no? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 18:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Talk back. I have a question for you before I take the screenshot. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 18:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I totally understand you Calvin but please if Tomica is telling, make "Cheers" your last co-nomination. I have to leave now. Goodnight and sweet dreams. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:47, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Jivesh, just to be clear I'm a boy :) (It's a Slavic form from Tom (name)) However, we are not here about my name. I don't really know what's the problem if you credit me in the nomination. You can write kind of synopsis that you created the article and give the main sections, while I helped you while expanding it. Than what's gonna happening in future? All the Rihanna new articles are gonna be nominated by you? We are not leaving in a "monarchy" here in Wikipedia. I mean that's my oppinion. Tomica1111 (talk) 19:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
What? What monarchy? I just don't want to be apart of co-nominations all the time, I want to do things by myself and get on with things, like everyone else does. It's like I would have liked to have been involved with some of Beyonce's 4 articles as I love a few of those songs, but I know Jivesh is doing them, so there is no point in me getting heavily involved with them and Jivesh is doing his thing. Just because you created the Music video sub-sections, doesn't mean you automatically receive the right to demand co-nomination when you've never asked me about doing it with you before and haven't really done anything in the rest of the article. Don't take this the wrong way, but you did the same with J Lo's Discography. I'll co-nominate with you only if you remove that quote from the Reception section. It's repetition and not needed and disrupts the flow. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 19:58, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
What I want to say with the term monarchy, is that you are not the only one that wants to edit Rihanna's articles. New articles (SONGS), are much easier for making GA. For example I work on "Disturbia", but I often get tired, because of the lack of sources. I also want to work on them. And about the J-Lo discography I didn't have an idea that User:Status was working on it. We are done with the issue and also have an agreement to make Shakira's discography together. Never mind I will remove the quote. Tomica1111 (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Me and you are the only two people out of the 11 that are active in edit her articles. And I'm hardly editing all of her articles. So you are fine with removing the quote for co-nomination? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 20:07, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
I already did ! Tomica1111 (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes I know but you didn't agree to it. "Never mind I will remove the quote" read like you was only removing the quote and that was the end of it. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 20:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

No, what I was going to say it's that the quote it's not so much important to me as the whole article. Tomica1111 (talk) 20:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
That's still not what I mean't. SO you are fine with a co-nomination? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon!
Yeah, I'm totally fine. Tomica1111 (talk) 20:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Good. I don't want to talk about it anymore. When do you want to continue on Rated R? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 20:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
We can continue tomorrow. I am free. Tomica1111 (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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Cheers

I will start a new section, cause the previous one is overloaded. Hey I also found this, It can be used in the Reception of the video. It contains a reference to the Hurricane Irene. Can we write that that is a joke or maybe a negative review? Cause I can really understand the text. Tomica1111 (talk) 12:50, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

The source is highly reliable. Yes, it is a reference. Wow what a coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!! The music video for Beyonce's "1+1" premiered the same day and a reviewer also said that Knowles looked like Hurricane Irene in her video. Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Take into consideration what i told Calvin above: "Calvin, make it a must not to include only positive reviews. Have at least 2 or 3 mixed ones and hmmmmm 1 or 2 negative ones. Or simply, post everything you have. But do not have a massive section just for reception." Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:10, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, actually I read your proposal, so I thought that this is perfect for it. It's the only mixed review for the music video. Tomica1111 (talk) 15:01, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
New section for what??? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:16, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Cheers reception

Regarding this, I don't know whether you are aware, but you can place those parameters in any random way within the template and they would still show in the same way. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:55, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Yesss I know, but, I think if you just do it in any order it looks very messy and unstructured. It's easier to correct them if you have a specific way of formatting. I like things to look good. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 17:58, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Rihanna songs

Yes, those tables were what I was thinking of. You should replicate that format for the rest of the list, then work on expanding the lead. Bradley0110 (talk) 11:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay thanks. I only did B in case it wasn't what you mean't. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 13:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Question

Yeah, I was thinking about the too, and I'll do that the next time. :) - Sauloviegas (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

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Hard

Hi Calvin. Did you mean that i should do a mini-review? Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to see that it is now of GA standard. I don't expect you to do a full on review. Just any outstanding mistakes. Also if you could say as to whether or not you agree that it should keep it's GA status, i've given the link to a revision of the article before I started editing it, and obviously the current article is the one I have edited. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
If there is no hurry, give me till Thursday. I mean it will be done by Thursday. I will have to read the whole article. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:53, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah that's fine :) Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 16:55, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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