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Archive 2: June 2011

S&M

Hello Calvin. Copy-edit is a fancy way of saying that someone needs to thoroughly read the article and proof-read it if you wll, and craft better prose and sentencing. At present the article reads at a lower level than the current standard for GA articles. And that, I'm afraid, was one of many issues.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:31, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

At a first glance it looks much better. Later today I will take a closer look :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 11:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Calvin. I wasn't sure (I didn't remember) if it did, but I'm glad you confirmed. Anyway, I hope you don't think it is anything personal, but its for the best of the article. As I said if you have any questions or need help I would be glad to help. Now, what exactly do you want me to tell you for S&M? It looks much better, but I thats from a quick glance. I can tell you though that the references need a lot of work. Look at other articles to see how to properly format them. The Emancipation of Mimi uses a lot of the same references, so look and copy the way they are done here.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:25, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Gotcha. Well, I tell you that you will be surprised at how many references you can find on the web, you just got to know how to look through the news archives etc. I didn't know how for my first 15 GAs and it was significantly harder. I'll tell you what, remember that I too am involved in the project. Since you have already done a significant job on the article, I'll step in to help you make it GA status once Legolas fails it. How does that sound?--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I understand that you don't really grasp referencing issues, I remember when I didn't know as well, and editors would tell me to format them properly and I had no idea how too. So let me break it down for you. So you got the basics down it seems, so let me take you through a few on S&M so you understand. For ref #1, I don't think its usable. We don't rely on audio or video refs, only text. Now for #2. Instead of having it as "rap-up.com" it should be Rap-Up. Similarly, #5 should be The Guardian, not "guardian.co.uk". Now also remember that it is only the work, the publisher is (it says it on its Wiki page) Guardian Media Group. That is also necessary. Note that the "work=" field will automatically italicize anything, so if its not something that you want in italics, you place "work=Rap-Up| (it won't come up in italics in the ref) so it doesn't come up as italicized. Only printed sources (newspapers etc.) should be in italics, thins like Rap-Up and all other online sources should be basic. Also, whenever an author is available, like on #57. That one needs a lot of work. The author (it says at the top) is Gary Trust. So you should place last=Trust|first=Gary in the ref somewhere. Also, a date is available as well (near his name) date=2011-04-11, like that. As for the rest, Billboard is a printed source (magazine subscriptions) so it should appear Billboard, not Billboard.com Also, it has a publisher Prometheus Global Media. Does this help you a bit? As I said Mimi helps a lot. let me know if you have any other specific questions, I know it takes time to get the hang of it.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:53, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Re

That's the spirit. Best of luck. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait. I am having a look at it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:46, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to add }} before the </ref>. I am happy to see you are improving a lot. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome my friend. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmmmmmmm this is a bit difficult to explain. You can read it Wikipedia:Peer review. But if you cannot understand the procedure, feel free to ping me. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I am so sad for Beyonce. The alum should not have leaked. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

OH YES, they all have viruses waiting o infect your computer. And i agree, i was expecting more form Beyonce. Well i do not know, what i myself mean by more. Maybe a song like "Sweet Dreams" or "Crazy in Love". Please keep posting me the leaks on YouTube for each song. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol i cannot understand what you really mean by those notes but one day i will for sure. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I love "I Miss You". Really love it a lot. A lot. A lot. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I know it is too simple but simplicity is sometimes what makes something extraordinary like "Single Ladies" for instance. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I Got You

Hello, Calvin999. You have new messages at Talk: I Got You (Leona Lewis song).
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

— Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 17:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

"especially as she goes on to talk about I Got You", she is not talking about IGY, she is talking about many things, her voice in the song, the song, "Happy", the album, the producers, how "it" may apply by default to the album? ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 01:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The template I added gives a better accessibility to the page. Where it says "Article milestones" at its right it says [show]. After you click it, its previous GANs appears, or here is the shortcut. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 02:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Because the double l does not work? I just restored this edit. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 02:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I am not understanding you really. If I understood correctly you are asking me why I am changing the "ll" to "l"? If it is correct, it should be very obvious: you changed it before, I didn't see this edit and I'm just re-adding your change. As you know the ll creates a dead link. ۞ Tbhotch^™ & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 02:14, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

4

This is definitely the best Beyonce album. I love "Party". To be frank it sounded dull at first but at the fourth listen, i fell in love with it. I love how Beyonce is taking risks with her music. I could not listen to all the tracks. From where did you listen? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

According to critics reviews, "Love on Top" is a standout. I have not heard it. Is it really so good? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Please send me the whole album please. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:58, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes please send me the rest. I already have "Party", "Run the World", "Best Thing I Never Had", "End of Time". Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes but they are huge. Normally the songs i have are only 2MB or a little more. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Send me "Love on Top". Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Keep sending me the links. I am going to bed. I will download all of them form your mails tomorrow. Thank you wholeheartedly. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I LOVE It but not my favorite. My favorite is "I Miss You". But "love on Top" will be a very nice choice as a single. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I bet it would have been a top 10 hit if Beyonce did not wait for the song to fall at #172 on iTunes before starting her promotion. Very bad timing. That's all i have to say. From which link? Is it free from viruses? Jivesh • Talk2Me 06:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Nathan has already posted them to me. Thanks anyway. You are a very good friend. Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. No. I hope they did not leak as well? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:02, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

You are right on that. Lol. Are you from the US? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Are people excited there for 4? And Beyonce will perform for a certain festival there? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:13, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

That is much needed. It's high time she promotes the album. Read this. I do not know if it is true. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Just read your message. I think you are right but still i hope Beyonce chooses some dance pop songs for the deluxe edition so as to please the haters. Lol. I really love Beyonce a lot. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

We cannot rely on titles. Who thought "Party" would be such a slow jam (I really like it though)?!!! How come you gave me four titles? I thought only three new songs and three remixes were going to be included? Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce should release remixes on a separate EP for "Run the World" and instead add new songs on the deluxe edition. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:35, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I noticed "run the World" has become stable on iTunes while BTINH keeps fluctuating. Strange. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Let me have a look. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

The structure is fine. Everything seems free from WP:OR. But the references are in bad shape. When you put something here: |work=, it is automatically italicized without the ''x'' thing where x can be any word. You should put those ''x'' only if you do not want them to be italicized. This applies only to formatting of references. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I have to go now. Goodnight. See you soon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:55, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait. I will try again. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

If you are writing something on Wikipedia and you want to italicize it, for instance Wikipedia. (Press edit and you will see i have put the '''' thing). However, when you format references using the field |work= , it is completely different. For instance, Billboard will be automatically italicized without the need of putting those '''' things. Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:00, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Read it well. I have to go NOW. I will explain again tomorrow if you do not understand. Jivesh • Talk2Me 19:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow. How did you know? Jivesh • Talk2Me 07:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, my parents are very severe. That's why i edit mostly at night when they are asleep. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:39, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow. To me that is a record. I always make sure to creep under my bedsheet before 11.30 pm. Lol. Hey, is Beyonce in England for real? some are saying she is in Bahamas. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, she is rehearsing for a festival starting by the letter "G". That's what i love about Beyonce, unlike Lady Gaga, she will not say: "Hi. I am coming to England. Rehearsing for my show. I am going to have fun. I love you my little monsters" and so on. Total BS. Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:05, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for yesterday. I went to bed to bed early. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I did not reply to your last message. I know there was nothing to reply but i do not like to leave people without an answer just so as not to sound impolite. I know this may seem silly to you but i am like this. I always try my best to be kind. Jivesh • Talk2Me 14:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay thank you. Jivesh • Talk2Me 14:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes, you can. Which article do you want to improve? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I am sure you will end up doing a fantastic revamp. Best of luck. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

No it will not take forever. Be positive. Remember that i was also like you when i just came here. And this also apply for all the senior editors. Well some are big-headed and tend to forget their own days. Lol. Yes, you can do that but you need to mention it in the edit summary. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

No, that of the article when you will merge your sandbox into it. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Bye for today. I Need To Go. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:58, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

An old question of yours

I saw you ask "Surely the song must have been categorised once it started charting, otherwise how would it know what chart to chart on?" in a discussion from last month, and no one really answered you. That really isn't how it works. Songs don't get categorized, outlets do. When Billboard makes a chart like "Hot Latin Songs", it looks at what a group of radio stations that they have identified as "Latin" is playing. If a Lady Gaga song becomes popular enough in the Latin community that Latin radio stations start to play it, then that Lady Gaga song will make the Latin chart. No one ever says "that song isn't Latin, so it doesn't on the chart, but this song is Latin, so it does". That's where the phrase "crossover hit" started: a song that became so popular that it started to show up on ("crossed over to") charts that it really doesn't seem to fit on.

I'm relatively certain that the OCC works the same way as Billboard. I don't know about other countries.—Kww(talk) 13:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Rihanna WikiProject

Yes, I made that proposal but the community does not seem very interested in creating a WikiProject for Rihanna. But as you rightly said, Lady Gaga has one with less pages than RiRi. VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 17:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

• No, I guess now we can only wait, cuz the proposal just have two supporters till now. VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 18:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Na na na Come-on

OK so I have finished toning, honing and pruning the article and it is GA ready now. The only thing you need to keep a look for is the date format consistency throughout the references. You are using the "yyyy-mm-dd" format and that is what should be used through all the references. Just give a look-through and correct if you come across any other format. Otherwise, its done. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:54, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Re

You must go here and paste the style you want. For example, if you like the way io sign, press edit to get the necessary settings to get a signature similar to mine and replace Jivesh by your name and paste it there. Did you understand? Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Like this

Calvin • Talk2Me

Press edit to see how it's done. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Whose style do you want? I can do it for you. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Wow, your design looks greeeaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttt. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. Listen Calvin, i need to go as i have to revise but before i go, do you think this is true? 4 has already sold a million copies in Brazil. Can it be true? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Ooooooooooooppppppsssssss my mistake. It says she has sold 1 million albums (all albums) in Brazil. Well, that is for sure as I Am... Sasha Fierce even received a diamond certification and was the top selling international album of 2008 and 2009 in Brazil. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Good. It's high time to start promotion. I have to go now. Bye. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

My sincere congratulations. My first GA was "If I Were a Boy". Not really my first, i collaborated with a friend on two others before this but IIWAB was the one i did alone. I like to work alone. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I am happy that he is nice to you. Excuse me Calvin, i do not want to give you the impression that i am avoiding you but i need to go. I have to revise. If i do not bring my five A(+), my mom might throw me out of the house. It's not a joke. Bye. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Excuse me?!

The "expletive" was in his review!!! Wikipedia is NOT censored. WP:NOTCENSORED --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 19:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

lol It is a bit ironic, but still, we need to emphasize just how he felt about it. It wouldn't seem like a big deal if we just said he had a negative review. Also, sorry for flipping out. I've been really defensive of my edits on that article because many are known to remove negative reviews from GaGa's articles... --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 19:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I just copied and pasted that review from something an IP DID add that was deleted after someone like I just mentioned deleted it for being negative. It does stand out against all the other content, but let me put it this way: Saying something tastes like shit gives someone a much clearer, more definitive view of something than if it were said that it was just bad. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 20:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

lol yeah --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 20:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and congratulations on your GA for S&M! I love that song!!! --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 14:53, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

XD I feel the EXACT same way!!!! She sounds so dang nasal on her newest works, though she sounds great on the live parts of the Femme Fatale tour. Some of Femme Fatale sounded higher than Kylie, but much more nasal than Kylie. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 15:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

I thought so too until I saw a video of it. --ĈÞЯİŒ 1ооо 19:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

your question

Hey there Calvin. I'm not sure if Franamax noticed the second question, and to be honest, I don't know enough to explain all the ins and outs of fair use to try to explain because I'm afraid of giving you the wrong answer. Probably one of the BEST folks to help understand that stuff would be User:Moonriddengirl. She's really nice, and really cool, but she is very busy so it might take a day or two. Some of the policies and guidelines are a bit tough to understand because of all the legal talk and all, but the ones Franamax linked to are good starters. Best of luck, — Ched :  ?  02:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

• I see that Franamax did notice your question, and left a well worded answer to your question there on Delta's page. — Ched :  ?  11:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. This thread here where you asked ... never mind ... I just noticed that you saw and responded to it. Cheers. :) — Ched :  ?  12:17, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Teen Scene

I've no idea, I've never even heard of this before. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:22, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I've left our friend a small note on his talk page. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 ^[talk] 14:38, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Protection

I have seen you asking people to request for protection of a particular page. I cna help you achieve that yourself only. Go to your preferences and there under tools you will see a gadget's name called Twinkle. Click on the box associated with it and then save your preferences. Now, when you come to an article that has been vandalized, you will see on the top right corner (where you click the edit, history, watch buttons) a small button called "rpp". When you click on it a small box will open. There you can give your reasons as to why you want the article to be protected and then click OK. After some time you will be directed to the WP:RFP page, where you can see your request. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:45, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Rihanna's LOUD Tour

Rihanna is only playing Sunday in the V Festivel. The event is two days long, but she's only playing Sunday!! So stop putting both days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.104.223 (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Loud

Hey Calvin ! How are you? I came here with one propose. Do you want me and you with join forces to make the Loud article a GA. I am about to do it, so a little help from you with be helpful :) ! Greetings Tomica1111 (talk)

I am fine thanks, one exam more and my summer can start. Well, first we should rework (format) all references, by cite web and cite news templates. I was thinking about making the article by the example of Beyonce's I Am... Sasha Fierce article. It's obvious we should expand it a little bit, and I can see your good at finding sources, maybe we should find sources for the background, music and the artwork. What do you think? Tomica1111 (talk)

Mmmm... you are right about the references. And about Mariah Carey's album article, wow it's great. I think that definetelly we should use it as an example for writing Loud. Ok look, the communication here will be hard so here's my mail tomica.mk@hotmail.com so we can share links/references easily ! GN ! Tomica1111 (talk)

If you are here come on MSN. I am free, we can do something with the article. Tomica1111 (talk)

Yup, and I sent the answer ;) !Tomica1111 (talk)

Fly Like a Bird

Hi Calvin. I actually had no idea, but it turns out I too am working on "Fly Like a Bird". Your work is good, but I have a lot of extra information and additions to make, so please remove it from peer review and don't nominate it for anything until I'm done. I should finish by tomorrow. If you'd like, as things turned out, we can share the GA nomination and both co-nom.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:58, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I see. I am finishing the article as we speak. Have patience.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Don't worry. Everyone gets answered and all gets done all in due time :) BTW, the current composition section of "FLAB" looks familiar :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:16, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I do :) I',m not Legolas :P--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I believe the TEOM page has a source for that performance. As it turns out, I believe in my bookmarks I do have sources for all the live performances, as well as reception towards them.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Lol. The X Factor cover is there :) Look lower down the page :P BTW, FLAB is nominated and done!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Not the Burke cover, but the finalists one. Hmmm, I don't think so. Feel free to add it :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:50, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, I mean I feel bad because you did do something. I guess you'll just tag along for the ride :)

And that is? Let me guess. The vocal range lol.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 21:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol. Do you play the piano? or some instrument? BTW, seeing as you like vocals, why are you a fan of Rihanna? I like some of her beats and songs, but her voice is just, atrocious :S--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Calvin! Congrats on your first GA! :) I can see that you've been to Whitney Houston's Nothin' but Love Tour. Did you take any photos?? Also, I don't know if you have heard it, but can you tell me about the key (?) shift towards the end of Houston's song "How Will I Know"?? I hardly know anything about music lol. I usually ask Legolas, Adabow or Candy for help :) Novice7 (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know it was boring :( I know your youtube account Calvin and have watched your vids :P The Beyonce one is very cool! You're really great. Well, by key shift I meant the thing that occurs at 3:20 in this video. Can you help me?? What do you call that thing lol? Novice7 (talk) 14:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew :D Thanks for the info, yes, I'm talking about her voice. As for "OG(ITW)", no problem :) Novice7 (talk) 04:35, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation :) Thanks heaps! Novice7 (talk) 10:48, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

By tomorrow. I have to read the whole article today lol. Btw, you can start a Background and release section for the article, I think. I found a few sources as you can see :D Keep up the good work here and on youtube ;) Novice7 (talk) 15:15, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Google lol :D I searched "Rihanna Only Girl Stargate" and the Vibe.com link came up. Similarly, "Rihanna Only Girl release" and the nydailynews.com link came up :) Novice7 (talk) 04:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	I see you everyday trying to improve Rihanna's articles here, some way or another,. Even faced with harsh criticism, you have not lost hope and still continue to learn, and grow as an editor. Hence I present this barnstar for your tireless efforts here in Wikipedia — Legolas (talk2me) 16:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah thanks! I've wanted one of these for ages! lol. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 20:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem with the barnstar. Along with it I just wanted to tell you about the different articles you have put up for PR. The peer review page is backlogged too much, and when you add too many articles per the same nominator, it just increases the load. Result is that most of the time you get a half-assed review as the general reviewers are too busy to go through all the articles. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:37, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, you just have to wait for them to become GA. I would have loved to give you opinions like I helped with "S&M", but I have somehow become a tad bit busy these days. You can take a look at WP:FA into the song articles, most recent promotion being "4 Minutes", that was my work. As for PR, I think even you can help by reviewing some of the articles. I generally choose articles about subjects which I'm not aware of at all. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol, no need to panic. Well, you would want to start at some stage I believe? PS, Peer reviews and GA reviews are a great way to increase your wiki-knowledge. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course I'm not against the idea. Please go ahead. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the review Calvin. I'm having my physiotherapy now so will address the comments after an hour. I don't know whether you are aware, I have my left hand and left leg fractured in an accident, and need physiotherapy everyday. Sucks big time man! — Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:35, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing Y&I also, I'm starting with MTN reviews. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:14, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

NP, and MTN is done. :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Calvin the talk page template needs to be changed to {{GA}} — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol, dont worry I will take care of the rest. Dont forget to add it to your user page :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Ya I saw it. Goody. PS, do you stay in London? Where in London? I will probably visit there in September for work. I'm joining work from August and expecting significant decrease in wiki activity. I generally stay near Charring cross there. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

(outdent) No dear, only for a month, my work takes me to many places. I did not expect that they would send me to London so fast, but well, lucks there. Where exactly? I travel forth between London and Edinburgh. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I know Stansted, I went there to pick up a client once. I travel through Heathrow always though. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:57, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahh thats cool. If I go there I'll holler atcha! :P — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm a programmer analyst, dealing with coding and setting up back-end systems for banks and providing them with a secure way for on-line and batch transactions. I had previously worked for Billboard magazine, compiling their charts with Nielsen. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:07, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce's Best Thing I Never Had

Hi, you deleted my info that Best Thing is the lead single in Germany. I think this should be included as Run The World never charted in Germany and never got an official release in contrast to the rest of the world. Or how do you guess about it because as Germany is the 3rd biggest music market worldwide and so it's something special if it doesn't reach a release although it's done worldwide... --79.199.26.49 (talk) 17:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you tell me again what it was you wrote that I reverted. I can't remember what it was specifically. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I wrote this: "After Run The World (Girls) didn't chart and never received a physical release in Germany, Best Thing I Never Had is released as 4's lead single." --79.199.26.49 (talk) 17:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

It did get released in Germany. The Run the World (Girls) article lists it as "Worldwide" here and so does German iTunes here on June 25th, 2011. Ask my friend Jivesh about it, because he has created the '4' related articles and has a lot of info about them. BUT the reason I reverted your edit "After Run The World (Girls) didn't chart and never received a physical release in Germany, Best Thing I Never Had is released as 4's lead single" because:

1. It didn't make sense to read, was a bit awkward where you wrote it.
2. Shouldn't be included in the Lead info section.
3. Just because it says on the Charts table on the article that it didn't chart, doesn't mean that it wasn't released or didn't chart, as those two links I just provided show that the song was in fact released. (To be honest, what you wrote isn't really that relevant, it doesn't matter how big the German music industry is.) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

But it was only released digitally... And to be a complete single release in Germany, it's still necessary to be released physically. As long as labels don't allow a digital-only release to chart, it can't, so to chart, a physical release must be done and as this never happened I can't see that Run The World is the lead single in Germany...I guess it's more of a buzz single to promote the new album "4"... --79.199.26.49 (talk) 20:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

But either way, it was still released, and peaked at #40 on iTunes, meaning it must have charted in Germany's Top 100? Just no one has added it. It's like BTINH in the UK, it hasn't been released as a single yet, digitally or physically, but has charted at #3. Have you thought that it's perhaps not a buzz single, (which it isn't) but that it just didn't do well in Germany, hence the lack of decent charting? It hasn't exactly done well even in other places around the world, especially the US. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 21:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

But it did NOT chart... You can check it, it never happened so far! And I've seen that BTINH reached No. 3 in the UK, so this can't be compared! --79.199.26.49 (talk) 21:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

It didn't chart at all despite charting on iTunes in the top 40? There still isn't any need to write that on the BTIMH article that BTINH is the lead single. Because it shows that Run the World was released, but no one bought it, or bought enough to warrant charting. That's very different to saying that it wasn't released at all. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 21:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess the reason why it didn't chart was because it didn't reach a physical release. In this case, wouldn't it be a promo single? Because I guess there is a difference between an official single release and a buzz/promo single... --79.199.26.49 (talk) 21:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not a promo single. You can't release a song as a fully fledged single all over the world and as a promo single in just one country. Just because it didn't do well, doesn't mean it's disregarded as a single. It was released as the lead single from the album, but it just didn't perform in Germany. There's not much else to say. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 21:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Digital releases, especially singles do not chart in Germany. An appropriate release there is a physical one. Jivesh • Talk2Me 23:29, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

RTW was indeed a buzz single. Its physical release date was removed from Amazon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 23:31, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahh I didn't know that. So it was released as a single, but then they stopped it? Due to bad charting? (btw, I'm shocked you are still up!) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:16, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm no it was not released, i mean not released to chart (no physical release). It was just a buzz single apparently. Actually i woke up at 2 AM (here) to revise. I Physic Paper 2 and 54 and French today. You thought i stayed awake. LOL. Jivesh • Talk2Me 01:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

You woke up at 2am to revise? Wow, you are dedicated! It's 3am now and I'm just going to bed haa Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 01:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

At 3 AM, don't you ever get scolded? Well, bye for now. I am leaving for school. Jivesh • Talk2Me 02:24, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol no. I can do pretty much what I want, within reason of course haa. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 10:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I love that song more and more every time I hear it. Best song off the album IMO. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 12:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for those words Calvin. This will get over me after sometime hopefully. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

That's very sweet Calvin. I also consider you as a very good friend. Not best. My best friend here is Novice7. LOL. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I like your sense of humor. Bye for now. Gotta revise AGAIN. I have 2 papers tomorrow. Physic P1 and French P3. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

So what happens now? Can this information be added? --79.199.15.116 (talk) 22:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Are you on another computer? Your IP address is different. I still don't think it is that relevant tbh. I don't know where in the article you would write that, it kinda seems a bit unnecessary. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I guess if you're not logged in, you have a different IP address every day, but I don't wanna join the site for some reasons...Perhaps this would fit in the area "Release". This info should be included as it's also done in other threads, something like "it's the 3rd single there but it's the 4th single in France for this and that reason". I guess it happened e.g. in the Rihanna - Hard thread! --79.199.15.116 (talk) 23:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to mention it, put it in the release section of BTINH. I'll be checking what you write, but you must add a valid source. Otherwise I'll revert what you write. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:05, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Could I take the source I used at first? Because it's not that easy to show it: The fact that it never received a physical release could be proved with the Amazon-page and the fact that it never charted... Well, than I need to show a the musicline.de-page of Beyonce, which in this case, won't show Run The World. In contrast, Amazon announces Best Thing I Never Had's release date which makes it eliable to chart and so it can be seen as an official single in Germany... Right?--79.199.15.116 (talk) 23:12, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think Amazon is an acceptable source on Wikipedia. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, than please tell me what should be done instead :) ! --79.199.15.116 (talk) 23:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you can't find a source from a news site or from a website like Rap-Up, Digital Spy, MTV etc., there's nothing that can really be done. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:23, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Some good articles use Amazon. Even iTunes is not permitted but everyone uses it. And websites like MTV and Rap-Up will never post the release date for each and every country. You can go ahead with Amazon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

PR

For "Only Girl" is up. Sorry if the review seems nitpicked. I tried my best to find the issues out :) Novice7 (talk) 13:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome.

1. Nope. What I meant was you should move the sentence and place it somewhere on the paragraph above. As you know, Composition means the song's music structure, lyrical themes etc.
2. The AOL Radio Blog review includes description of the lyrics. Search for reviews, they should have the meaning of the lyrics. Novice7 (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Calvin, "You and I" is done. As for the Grammy nominee mention of OGITW, well you don't have to mention them at all, the song won after all, right? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:35, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do in a minute. I added who she was competing against because the last GA review said so haa. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 14:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes Calv, Lego is right. That's what I meant. And, rotting means destruction (lol) of weblinks. Websites update their pages often and this may result in links becoming unavailable. To avoid that, we archive the page using Webcite or archive.org. As for the MTV VMA Japan, did you search mtv.co.jp? Novice7 (talk) 14:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, gosh there are three dead links. Plus, the ogg (audio sample) needs to be reduced to 64kbps and jpg (single cover art) should have a definite source. Last, the image in live performances section needs to be aligned left seeing that Rihanna is looking towards her left. Novice7 (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I did look on their website but it hasn't been updated. You put me into an edit conflict! I had to type everything again! haha Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 14:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. By the way, nowadays you don't have to update the article talk page, GimmeBot does it if you just place the proper {{GA}} template. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes it does, check the history of Talk:Born This Way (song), there you can see how the bot works. It does everything. He he, :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Check this link of what I did for "You and I". There you can see how I added an archivelink and archivedate parameter in the cite web template. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll fix those two issues for you :) Novice7 (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Great! Did you format the few refs in the year-end charts table? Also, you might want to ask for a copy-edit (ce)... I'll close it now. Novice7 (talk) 11:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, it works just fine for me. Maybe a temporary problem in your area. I'm going to modify the article (format refs etc.). Just wanted to let you know 'cause we don't wanna get into an edit conflict. Novice7 (talk) 11:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Actually, I used a script to make the dates consistent. You can use April 1, 2011 or 2011-04-01 or 1 April 2011, it's okay. But, once you use a particular format, we should use the same in the rest of the article :) Novice7 (talk) 11:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course, you can close it. Btw, as I said earlier, double check the refs. You can also ask for a copy-edit. Novice7 (talk) 12:00, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Lol, I'll do it :D Novice7 (talk) 12:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Novice7 (talk) 12:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Awarded to Calvin for being a great Wikipedian and a cool guy (lol). Thank you Calv for explaining the musical terms to me, and keep up the good work here! Novice7 (talk) 16:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Aww, thanks for the glass of beer! Cheers! I'll start fixing the issues on "TGIFY" soon :) Novice7 (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks dude :) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 16:20, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure :) Novice7 (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Issues fixed + replied :) Novice7 (talk) 16:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for passing TGIFY :) Novice7 (talk) 13:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

GA reviews

You realize that there is nothing wrong with using a source that requires purchase or a book? You based a failure (AYNAF) which is all sourced. I don't know how you, especially a Carey fan, when something is sourced, can claim "Carey's performance of the song at an intimate concert at Proctor's Theatre on July 15, 1993 was filmed and released as the VHS Here Is Mariah Carey." You obviously don't have an understanding on what is OR at all. Again, "Consecutively, during the song's bridge, Carey watches as the small child's mother carries her to a nearby playground where her friends are frolicking and playing. Similarly, the elderly man is met with some other elderly citizens, who accompany him to another building nearby. During the song's climax, Carey joins the choir, flailing her hands wildly towards the sky, and smiling and gazing into the cloudy morning." is NOT OR, it a summary of a music video. You don't believe it? Watch the video... Its that way in every song article. Please be more versed before failing articles that have waited for reviews for months. I wrote the article in 3 days, so there is no excuse that 7 days is not enough time to make the required fixes.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

If you notice, I did say that I don't doubt that what you have used in sources is true, and that I can't say it is completely OR as you do provide, but I can't view any of it to check it, though I wish I could because I'd quite like to read it just for myself because I do like Mariah. It has since been bought to my attention that books are acceptable. You make it sound like I am failing articles for the sake of it, when I haven't. I have placed two of your articles on hold and complimented the detail in which you write. You know that I am not as experienced as say you, Legolas, Novice or Jivesh, and someone told me that a way of improving my knowledge on here is to start reviewing GA's, which I am, so please don't take the fail as anything personal, I'm sure you made mistakes when you started editing on here. Besides, if I hadn't of reviewed AYNAF, who's to say that you would have got a review anytime soon after waiting so long? You might still have waited a few more months. When you have amended all issues APART from the points I made about the books as I now know they are perfectly valid, re-nominate and I will gladly review and pass it straight away. I don't know what else I can say or offer. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:54, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

That is fine. I will make the fixes. "Underneath the Stars" was definitely rushed on my part, and you are right in that it has a lot of prose issues. As for ANYAF, I cannot say the same. Calvin, understand this. Book sources are allowed to be used. Go look at every single one of Madonna's articles. Your going to demote all of those as well? Please look and understand that books are allowed. I will let you know when AYNAF is ready.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:59, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I believe "UTS" is done.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I know that now, I just said that I recognise that. I don't really pay attention to Madonna articles lol, or Madonna, for that matter! But only because it has never been pointed out to me and that I have never noticed books in the ref section, that's why I was in a dilemma as to what to do with them with regard to what I wrote. I was going to say something else with regard to what you wrote, but for arguments sake, I won't! lol (went into edit conflict with your last comment lol) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, just one thing, in the Composition section of UTS, I don't get what you mean by "Carey wanted to include the latter songs on the album". What does "latter songs" represent? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The two songs I mentioned the sentence before lol. Also, I think I'm going to re-nominate AYNAF now. I believe I made those fixes as well. Please check it out once the bot has updated the page.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh right. I think latter should only be used if you had of written about songs she didn't want to include before those that she did. Just change "latter" to "these two" to avoid confusion, then I'll pass it. And yes I am looking out for AYNAF. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Done!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Calvin :) We all learn through trial and error!--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I try using this: {{GA|~~~~~|topic=|page=}} but it doesn't work! lol. Do i have to fill something in? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Under "Topic" write Music. That is all I do. Also, AYNAF is done, however except the inclusion of the dance chart. Usually we only mention prominent and official charts in the sections, unless the song only charted on minor ones. Take a look now :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I only said about it because it was one of three charts that it actually managed to chart at #1 on. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Passed. Will a bot add all the GA related things? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Re

Love it. And you? Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Simple video for a simple song. No need to make it seem more complex than it really is, an over the top storyline would have overpowered the song.Beyonce is just insanely gorgeous without trying. Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Which one? Is it huge? Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:40, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes i know. Why did you tell me that? Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Silly me. Oh yes. Thank you Calvin. I almost forgot to add that. Thanks for reminding me but i will do it later. I am going to bed. I have been sleeping for two hours only since one week. Today i will sleep for 9 hours. LOL. Take care and i applaud you for doing all those GA reviews. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to make some sacrifices to have good results. I really cannot type anymore. I need to sleep. We will talk soon. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:43, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Calvin, be careful when you mark an edit as "minor". According to this, "Adding comments to a talk page", "Adding or removing content in an article" and "Adding or removing references or external links in an article" should not be marked as minor. Just letting you know :) Novice7 (talk) 10:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

What? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 13:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

What I mean is, edits like this (modifying talk pages) are not minor edits while edits like this are minor edits. As I said, just letting you know. Hope you don't take it personally. Novice7 (talk) 04:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Right okay. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

hey (on B'Day GA review)

Wikipedia is for everybody, and wouldn't you guys need help? Just helping out. --Efe (talk) 14:06, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the B'Day review. I think it's a bit unfair to ask "I would like just you to carry out the changes", because Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Also, Efe has probably worked on the article more than I have; he brought it up to GA status years ago. Anyway, I have responded to your points at the review. Apart from the unreferenced awards (getting to that now), everything is either replied to or done. Can you please strike points that you feel have been addressed, for the sake of clarity? Thanks. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:24, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, I guess when I've worked hard on an article to improve it and have nominated it, I feel like it's my responsibility to carry it through to the end and do it myself, instead of letting someone else do it. The reason I asked just you was because some comments were made and I didn't get the relativity of them, and it's harder answering to two people all the time. Yes I will have a look at it now. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 10:38, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Have gone through and put a strike through all points which have been addressed. Any points which have either been half addressed or not addressed are in bold. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 11:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I think I have addressed everything now, including the awards table. And by the way, the "on hold" period for a GA review does not need to be 7 days, but a reasonable length of time for changes to be carried out, so long as involved editors are actively working on it. (In one extreme case, I kept a GA review on hold for over 50 days! :O). Thanks for the review, I know it's a long article and I appreciate it. I am especially thankful for the thoroughness of your review, considering I am hoping to one day take the article to FAC. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Only just saw this one, that's okay :). I hadn't reviewed an article that long before and felt bad that you had waited so long, I thought 3 weeks for one of mine was a long time. I like to give a detailed review because it is what I would expect of a reviewer reviewing my nominations, plus I kinda guessed you would want to make it FA. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, I have addressed all the points in the "Flaws and All" GA review. I can't find the video with Ellen discussing the song; can you gimme a link? Anyway, not containing this one source does not jeopardise the GA status per the criteria. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Yeah I know, but it would have been good if it could have been expanded a bit more as to why she sang a song which she had never performed live on TV before from B'Day during the IASF era. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 10:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem with the template was that you coded it so that the code was visible. Instead just copy and paste the template it. Also you forgot to list the article at WP:GA/A (I did it for you). Thanks again for the review; it was most helpful. Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I did copy and paste the template, that's why I don't get why it didn't work? And I thought a Bot would add the song to the GA/A page. Can you write the template here so I know for the future? I added the GA symbol to the article page as well. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

{{GA|~~~~~|page=|oldid=}}. A bot adds {{Good article}} (the icon), but you must manually list the article at WP:GA because the bot doesn't know which section to put it under. —Adabow (talk · contribs) 01:32, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, it seems there a bit of discussion above. But anyway, thanks for the the thorough review and for passing it to GA. --Efe (talk) 02:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I just tried putting that code on the Flaws and All talk page, previewed it, and the code still showed! I don't get what I am doing wrong? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 11:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't include the nowiki tags. —Adabow (talk · contribs) 23:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Love the Way You Lie (Part II)

After reviewing this article, I have decided to place this article on hold for good article status. I will give you the general seven days to fix the mistakes and/or debate the ones you believe do not affect GA status. For comments see: Talk:Love the Way You Lie (Part II)/GA1. - Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 05:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay thank you. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 11:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought that all editors could participate on GA corrections. No one takes away your merit. Best regards, VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 22:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

They can, but not to be rude, I don't appreciate it. I don't feel like it I have made it a GA now. The way I see it is that I made all the edits to make it GA nomination worthy, then I solely nominated it, so I think it's my responsibility to make the changes, do you know what I mean? Some people may like that others do all the work for them, but I don't. I would never make the changes per someone else GA review, I just don't think it's my place to. And by the way, why have you put "Love the Way You Lie (Part II)" on your 'In process' section on your user page? What do you mean by that?? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:17, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

God... Have you ever read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles? The article was developed by you and the credit is all yours, I did not even change the text I just did some formatting corrections. And the Portuguese article is also named for GA status, that's what you saw on my user page. VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 22:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Don't take it personally, I just like to see things through from start to end so I know exactly what is going on with the article. What do you mean the Portuguese article? You claim credit for the Portuguese one? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

No. The article was also developed in Portuguese, and the parts that are translated are indicated by a template on the article talk page. And you can thank me for having an image to put on "your" article in the "Live performances" section. VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 22:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Look, I just said this, don't take what I've said personally. I am just a very thorough person and on here, I like to know everything that goes on with article I have considerably enhanced. I was just surprised to see that the changes had been done. And it wasn't you that added the pic from the Loud Tour, I know who added that. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 22:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry? File:Rihanna, LOUD Tour, Oakland 15.jpg was uploaded by me (like all the category about the LOUD Tour on Commons), and I did contact the owner to grant the rights to Wikimedia Commmons to get GA status in the Portuguese version. All our editions are free, this is what you should understand. VítoR™ ^{get LOUD!} 22:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Well you didn't say that you uploaded it! You add you added it to the Live performance section! It was already on the article before you made any edits. That's what I mean't by you didn't add it. Anywayyy, thanks for making the changes. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

After seeing that all of the issues have been addressed on Talk:Love the Way You Lie (Part II)/GA1, I have decided to pass the article at this time. Good job and keep up the good work. I am also working on uploading an audio sample to the article to add its quality that fits within the rules of WP:SAMPLE. - Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 23:30, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks :) Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 11:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Help

Hi Calvin. I need a favor or help (whatever you may call it). Are you free? Jivesh • Talk2Me 12:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

hey yeah what is it? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 21:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you add the missing live performances to RTW, 1+1, and BTINH? Please. Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:38, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

From? Or just add any performances that aren't there? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 11:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

That Glastonbury thing, her concert in France, BET Awards, NBC's Special on July 4th 2011, etc. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

okay yeah. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 16:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Are you happy? Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:02, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Is this about End of Time? Yeah I love the song but it's not a single. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 16:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It will be the third single in September 2011. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

How do you know? The video has the opportunity to be spectacular. It needs to be a hit as well because even though RTW and BTINH are great songs, people in the US just aren't getting it? She got the promo for RTW a bit wrong, and BTINH has been under promoted in the US. I think she has some promo appearances coming up though? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 18:00, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

S&M

Yes I have. It's a long and detailed article, so please be patient so I can give you the sort of review that will help you move forward to FA. Bradley0110 (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

For you...

		The Reviewer's Barnstar
		For your time spent on reviewing several articles that were desperately seeking reviews in the GAN backlog. Thanks very much for you contributions :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 17:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanksssss :D Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 17:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

kindly refrain from abusing my own talk page

It would also be considered wise, not to insist on posting newbie vandalism boilerplates on the talk page of an administrator. I consider that quite uncivil. Also: it is considered bad form to revert a good faith change if it can be fixed -- this is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. See policy on WP:REVERT. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 23:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

So you think you are above being warned?? Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I was not implying that at all; I consider it good form not to use a vandalism template for good faith edits, especially for a content dispute, i.e. use common sense. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 23:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

So you don't think you are above being warned, but you don't want a warning on you talk page. That's quite hypocritical. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 23:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

This is getting silly. I get notices all the time from people I have disagreements with. I am aware of policy, though Wikipedia is a work in progress and there will be disagreements sometimes over interpretations. Happy editing. Cheers, Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 23:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I kept your contribution, but I have completely copy-edited it. I removed the Skylar Grey info box, isn't needed. Removed two case of WP:OR, one had no source at all and the other didn't match to what was written given in the source. I formatted some incorrect references, switch the paragraphs around, corrected grammatical errors and MoS, and re-worded a lot of it to make more sense to read. It's fine as it is now. If you have any questions about what I have changed, even though I haven't really changed it, discuss it here first before making edits to the article, which I worked hard on to make a GA. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

How is your requirement supported by policy? That is certainly against WP:OWN. I do get your concern about stability, but WP:BOLD edits are encouraged even on featured articles. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 00:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Because I worked hard on it and I care about the article and what is changed on it. What I just did makes a lot more sense to read and flows a lot better. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 00:14, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It's time for deep breaths, Calvin. On the issue of templates, you need to understand that placing a stock template on an admin's page is acceptable, but it does send an extra message, basically "you're such a clueless admin that the best way to communicate with you is the same way I would deal with a brand-new editor". If you want to send that message, that's fine, but you should be aware that you are sending it.

As for the "it's a GA and I worked hard on it" argument, it's good that you are proud of your work. It's not good that you think other people need your permission to change it. They don't. They never will. They aren't obligated to ask your approval. Sucks, but that's what you signed up for when you edited a wiki.—Kww(talk) 00:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't know he was an admin. And I'm not saying no one is allowed to make edits to the article, but when you make such frequents edits and large editions to a GA article, it would be useful to use the talk page, that is what it is for after all, right? Especially when I had to completely cop edit what he wrote because it wasn't cohesive Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 01:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't edit pop culture articles often, although this intersects my interest. Anyhow, don't think I don't appreciate your work, Calvin (thanks for the copyedit); I posted the talk as a matter of courtesy since I was not even aware there was going to be a dispute. It does strike me as rather odd that such major pieces of information escaped notice at GA review. Anyhow, while you are obviously a skilled and hardworking editor, try not to own articles. Thanks. After all, my friends and I like the song too. Elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 04:22, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

You said yourself you was in a rush, and that reflected in the prose. Nearly everything you said, apart from two cases of WP:OR, is still there, it's just been re-worded so it makes more sense to read and is in more of a logical order. I don't get what the problem is now? And I never said I "own" the article, but wouldn't you agree that if you wanted to add just a large amount of info to a GA article, that you should discuss it on the article talk page first? That is what the talk page is for, to talk. That would have avoided all of this. Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 12:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no problem -- I am just reminding you of policy. :) The edits were not perfect; the talk page was there to help people fix them and integrate them more smoothly; my prose wasn't that horribly bad, and besides good articles do not degenerate that quickly. Generally my experience is that if you post on a talk page without any editing, change will be slow in coming. This is why Wikipedia adopted the WP:BOLD model, instead of the Nupedia model. elle _{vécut heureuse} ^{à jamais} (be free) 15:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

It wouldn't of though, as you clearly found out for yourself that I am patrolling the article! Calvin • ⁹⁹⁹ 15:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)