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WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers July 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, no. 4 — July 2007
"It was the most horrible show ever. Every single note, every single word, hurt, knowing that we were no longer a band. I kept looking over at John and seeing this dead statue of disdain...that night, John disappeared from the topsy-turvy world of the Red Hot Chili Peppers." — Anthony Kiedis
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Since our last newsletter was sent in late May, several new contributors have joined the project: Grim-Gym, Smithcool, Geelcat, Pianoman7692, Skeeker, and Saget53.

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WikiProjects

Hey; in truth, I've only set up a single WikiProject (Coheed and Cambria), although I'm involved in several others. If you want to set one up, all you really need to do is read this, and then probably this, depending how large you want the project, and follow the instructions. You would think that it would be a bit complex, but it's relatively straight forward - especially the second page. However, you seem to want to create WikiProjects because the bands are popular, and not so much because they really need to be created. Sure, the WikiProject can help improve the quality of all articles by the said band, but the main reason I created the Coheed one was because I believe that a coherent organization of the band articles, not to mention The Amory Wars story (a series of books the lead singer of the band is writing, that the band's concept is based on) needed significant organization. So, unless you believe that all the articles need a WikiProject for said organization, perhaps it'd be better to just start one at the moment; as Guns N' Roses is probably the biggest band out of the list you provided (if not, Metallica, I suggest the WikiProject on just the one band. ≈ The Haunted Angel 13:32, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you comment on this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Damn_Me

Can you comment on this article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Damn_Me

Archiving

You can either set up a bot to do it for you (see this page for instructions), or you can do it manually yourself. To do it manually, see Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. Archiving is simply removing the comments that you want to archive, and then adding them to a user talk subpage, for example, your archive may be User talk:Skeeker/Archive 1, and all comments you wish to archive, you will put in that subpage. If you require more help, you know where to find it. –sebi 05:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep, and it's probably best to have a link on this page back to the archive page, for example, you may consider using an archive box, like {{archivebox}} or similar. –sebi 05:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Nice archive! :) Btw, when responding to a message, make sure you indent your reply (by placing a ":" at the very start of the line, and continue your message on the same line), makes for easier reading. –sebi 05:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw it. Just a note, the image you included was a fair use image, and those cannot be used anywhere on Wikipedia, apart from the article namespace. Also, could you try to find some better colours (preferably not all dark colours), as this makes the userbox terribly difficult to read. –sebi 06:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Re. userpage

Sure will, dear Skeeker! :) I can offer you two choices: I can make an adaptation of my own, with a color scheme of your choice; or an entirely original one, which will take wayyy longer, I'm afraid, as I'm a little swamped with requests right now... but if you're patient, you'll be rewarded, I swear ;) Please, let me know your preference, k? Have a beautiful day! Love, Phaedriel - 04:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I could help out, I am currently feeling a creative buzz! ;) –sebi 23:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

IP you told me about

Hi Skeeker. The edits the IP is making don't look like vandalism to me; you and the IP appear to be involved in an conflict over the inclusion of a full leaked version of the album on YouTube. Apart from this edit where you say that the IP vandalised Corrupt toolbox's userpage, and he did, but Corrupt toolbox took it as a joke and did nothing about it. I'd recommend talking to the IP about his edits, rather than continuing to revert his edits, because if you do continue, you'll both end up violating WP:3RR and receive a 24-hour block. –sebi 23:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, I should have watched the video, however, I try to avoid watching YouTube videos without knowing the contents of the video first. If the video contains what you say it does, then his edits are most likely vandalism. Have you reported this IP user to the administrator's noticeboard? Almost all active admins watch that page, so you will most definitely get a quicker response and solution as opposed to approaching an admin individually. –sebi 04:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Note, report normal vandalism to WP:AIV, as opposed to the noticeboard, but because he is persisting in keeping this video in the article, then it's probably a more serious issue, which should be taken to the noticeboard (WP:ANI). –sebi 04:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
No, tell the administrators what's going on at WP:ANI, the noticeboard. AIV is for less-serious vandalism. ANI, is for more serious incidents. –sebi 04:49, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

24.117.147.70

I'm not able to block the user, but I did leave them a final warning and put the article on my watchlist. If they add the link again, I'll see what I can do about getting them blocked. Although there was no reason for him to bring religion into it, I'm guessing that the admins wouldn't see it as enough of a personal attack to warrant an immediate block. --Onorem♠Dil 03:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it was a personal attack. I just don't think that the admins would block him for a single personal attack. It's also pretty rare for blocks to be given out without final warnings. --Onorem♠Dil 04:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I left an additional message linking WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA and let him know that his edit summary was completely unacceptable. --Onorem♠Dil 04:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Luckily for us, he decided to continue vandalizing the article after receiving the final warning. He's been reported to WP:AIV and should be blocked...although probably only for 24 hours. The protected template doesn't actually do anything except provide a notice that a page is protected. The protection itself has to be made by an administrator. --Onorem♠Dil 04:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

He has now been blocked 24 hours. I'll keep the page on my watchlist and see about getting the block length extended if he comes back and adds the nonsense again. --Onorem♠Dil 04:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

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Got Something Against Me?

I've noticed that you've edited my contributions to many different bands. You've completely changed or removed citable information, such as genres and song descriptions, and sometimes even band info on the main page. We had a little feud a while back when I was still known as URFG. I was just wondering, why do you insist on deleting noteworthy information, such as Sepultura's genres? They all need to be included in the article. Popmatters may not be the most "metal" of sources, but it's a source nonetheless. So leave it be, please.

I was also wondering: you're a Megadeth and Sepultura fan, but you don't like Slayer. Are you one of those obnoxious Megadeth fans who think that Megadeth is such a "better band than Slayer," or is it because you find their lyrics offensive, since you're a Christian? But then again, if the Christianity was such an issue, you wouldn't like Sepultura either, since their early material was very anti-Christian.

Back to my main point. We can discuss your endless changes/reverts to my contributions on my mainpage. If you're at all concerned about a source or factual info, you can do several things:

  • Listen to the song/album I'm talking about. My edits about band's genres come directly from this. For example, on Sepultura's Dante XXI, you can hear the metalcore in songs like "Dark Wood of Error" and "Convicted in Life."
  • Go to the band's website. Sometimes you have to look, because not all of the info is on a band's official site. Visit extra links such as fansites.
  • Heard it directly from the band member's mouth themselves. Keep an eye on Fuse, MTV, or the radio, sometimes even a concert. For example, when Rob Zombie came to Atlanta last year, he stated that he would be making a new movie and album in 2008. Now we've got the new Halloween coming out.

Please discuss what I've been typing about on my talk page. I really would like to settle this, and possibly become friends, since you listen to plenty of stuff that I like, such as Nirvana, Korn, Megadeth and Sepultura. Dark Executioner 15:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Sepultura metalcore source

Hi Skeeker,
I read the review you used as source for the metalcore genre in the Sepultura infobox. The only reference to metalcore is: "Green’s vocals, while definitely more evocative than most young metalcore screamers out there".

Do you think the writer is saying Sepultura has become a metalcore band? I don't feel that was his intention. I think the writer illustrates that Green’s vocals are good compared to metalcore vocals heard nowadays. I don't feel this source is that good. What's your opinion? Emmaneul (Talk) 20:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Unattributed quotations

Hello, Skeeker. I have removed a series of unattributed quotations from Omnidimensional Creator and all of the other articles for the songs of Ziltoid the Omniscient. If you wrote that text yourself, feel free to restore it, but I would suggest rephrasing it, writing in continuous prose without ellipses, and integrating it directly into the article text without block quotations. If those are not your own words, but are taken from another source such as the CD booklet, please do not restore them. Such an extensive position of material from the album is not covered by fair use, and isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia.

Also, just a friendly warning: I think it is nearly inevitable that someone will come along and merge (or just redirect) all of these song articles back into Ziltoid the Omniscient, citing Wikipedia:Notability (music). There is some disagreement about which songs should have their own articles. I haven't really follow those discussions, but I do get the sense that most people would think that these songs are not even in the neighborhood of the required notability threshold. All the best ×Meegs 09:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Dark Executioner

I didn't think you still had anything against me, but I was just checking. When I was new to Wikipedia and known as URFG, you said that I didn't know how to edit. I just went to an administrator and they showed me how to do it right. From your tone, I just thought you were angry at me or something, but then I found out that A LOT of Wikieditors are like that. As far as Sepultura's genres go, how about we do this: like Pantera or Children of Bodom, we just put "heavy metal" or disputed. If you haven't heard anything of Sepultura beyond Roots, you really haven't missed anything remarkable. They were briefly a hardcore punk/groove metal outfit right after new vocalist, African-American Derrick Green, joined the band. Their next few albums were more thrash, and their most recent, Dante XXI, sounds a lot like Shadows Fall-material. It's really metalcore stuff.

I really prefer Slayer over Megadeth (Slayer never "went soft" or anything like that), but I also think that some of the stuff that Kerry King says really makes him look conceited. I think he's a good guitarist though because he invented a completely new way to solo by using the whammy bar extensively. Besides, if it wasn't for Slayer, we wouldn't have such great death-metal bands like Cannibal Corpse or Dying Fetus!

I was really, REALLY discouraged from Megadeth at first because of Dave's tremendous ego, but it seems like he's calmed down a little bit here lately. A good friend of mine helped me get into Megadeth more and look past Dave's ego. Dave, I know that must've sucked being kicked out of Metallica, but it's been over 20 years, dude. Just LET IT GO and move on, or else you'll look like some kind of polititian! Besides, Metallica's last good album was The Black Album. Everything from that on, to me, was complete sell-out, "kiss the ass of the record company and adhere to their standards in order to stay famous"-type band. That's why whenever I see somebody in a Metallica t-shirt who claims to be a huge fan, I ask them "which" Metallica?

I'm glad no hard feelings. I'll probably bring lots of topics to discuss with you before editing. Just a few last questions:

  • In interviews, Jonathan Davis has stated that Korn will record another album after the Family Values Tour concludes. It was on Wikipedia for a while, but then it was deleted. Why?
  • Is HELLYEAH going to make a new album next year? That would conflict with the scheduled new Mudvayne album. (PS Hellyeah = New Audioslave. Star of Audioslave: Chris Cornell, star of HELLYEAH: Vinnie Paul).
  • There were rumors about Corey Taylor joining Anthrax for a new album. But, he's also going to make a new album with Slipknot later this year. Is Taylor going to sing on the album, and then leave, like Terry Bozzio did with Korn? According to various sources, he plans on recording with both. If that's the case, the only problem for Anthrax is going to be finding someone who won't mess up Taylor's lyrics.

I've got all kinds of things we could discuss. I'll catch you later. Dark Executioner 16:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

No new Korn album in 2008, no new Hellyeah album in 2008, and Corey isn't singing w/ Anthrax? Wow, everybody else I talked to on Wikipedia, and all my real-life friends, have all told me otherwise. I could've sworn that at least Corey was going to sing a few songs w/ Anthrax. What the hell is he doing with them then, it says on his page that he's "collaborating" with them.

I wanted to ask you something about my use rpage. There seems to be an invisible edit in my heavy-metal music catagory on Led Zeppelin. For some reason, it's in small letters and I can't get it to go away. If you know what's wrong with it, could you fix it for me? Dark Executioner 18:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

I was looking at Rob Zombie's page (got a new Zom t-shirt yesterday!) and I saw that there's finally a page for his live album. Do you know when it's going to be released?

All he needs to do now is make an MTV Unplugged album!

Dark Executioner 21:15, 26 August 2007 (UTC)Dark Executioner

Robin Finck

Hi Skeeker, can you please comment on a 'debate' on Robin Finck. Someone is removing correct, sourced material (in good faith) but I've already broken the 3RR and don't want to edit it further, thanks. Bucketheader 19:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, they seem to have stopped editing now. Bucketheader 19:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Can you leave your opinion on Talk:Robin Finck, thanks. Bucketheader 20:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment. Bucketheader 02:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Guitar Hero 3

Stop deleting the links. Look at reference number 30. Good enough of a source for you? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ktulu496 (talk • contribs) 22:13, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers August 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, no. 5 — August 2007
"Well, I don't even know how to drive in this life, so I'm pretty far from ever having the life of being a stuntdouble. I had an Evil Knievel doll when I was a kid, that's about it!" — John Frusciante
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AfD nomination of ZTO (song)

An article that you have been involved in editing, ZTO (song), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ZTO (song). Thank you. Along with the other songs from that album --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 03:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Machine Head infobox genres

There is no rule in the Template:Infobox musical artist guidelines regarding genre lay-out. There is, however, a guideline for label lay-out (see Template:Infobox_musical_artist#Label):

  • The record label or labels to which the act has been signed, as a comma-separated list . . . Drop the word "Records" from the end of any label's name'

For genres, it's OK to have them comma separated, but I think it's rather unpleasant and unnecessary to have genre names cut in two, spanning 2 lines. The genres in the Metallica article where <br /> separated for months (maybe years) before some guy changed it resulting in an edit war regarding capitalization. There is no well-founded reason to change the genre lay-out as no consensus has ever been reached. Therefore, I believe it's best to keep the genre lay-out the way it was, certainly when genre names are cut in two. Kameejl (Talk) 11:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Seeking The Way: The Greatest Hits

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RE: Machine Head infobox genres

There is a rule on genre capitalization, see WP:MUSTARD#Capitalization. So, is it OK to change the infobox back to its original state (using line breaks)? Thanks for the mentioning the "talk" issue, I've fixed it. Kameejl (Talk) 15:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Opeth

Please read the paragraph at WP:ALBUM more carefully. Genre's are still no proper nouns, even if the article isn't about an album, thus the argument applies everywhere. This is also mentioned in the guidelines for music in general, see here. Please use common sense, your edits have been reverted. ~ | twsx | talkcont | 16:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Red Hot Chili Peppers September 2007 Newsletter

The Red Hot Chili Peppers WikiProject Newsletter
Volume 1, no. 6 — September 2007
"John was just up there like he didn't give a fuck about anything. You can't be in a band and not care. It's gunna show. And it did. A lot of the shows were terrible." — Chad Smith
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rooster ???

what was the insperation behind this song ? or how was the inperation? If anyone has A answer e-mail me at kvn mccahill@yahoo.com..........thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.45.17 (talk) 18:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


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