User talk:Blacksun/Archive 1

India

Hi blacksun, nice work defending the FA status of India against users who were out for revenge like Naus and obviously biased and ignorant users like Bob. I feel that if users like them are allowed to triumph, Wikipedia will never achieve its full potential. Wikipedia is not the place for political statements and if users want to discuss, they should do so somewhere else.

Kolkata

Hi! Nice works on Kolkata. Thanks a lot. Please see if any further shrtening of the article is possible. I am hunting for good images! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 08:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I differ with you in one poine, the restriction of number of images. Somebody said (I cannot, as usual, remember who :)) an image speaks more than a hundred words ! Please see Kerala, where the number of images used is less, but some sections have more than 2 images. However, if we get better images, we can easily delete the earlier poorer images. I will be hunting for a tram. The article has more glitzy images of Kolkata]], rather than some images presenting daily life. I am looking foe some such kind of photos. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 08:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Please also see Gangtok for the peculiar way they have placed the images, sometimes irrespective of sections. Mumbai has a nice collection of umages that quite captures the mood of the city! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 08:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh ! When I am seeing in my browser, the 4 photos on transport section appears in the same section i.e. transport. This may be a browser/ settings problem, I have faced similar problems earlier.I use Mozilla firefox. Anyway, I do not mind removing that old horse carriage photo, but a traffic jam photo should be there. If necessary, you can put your arguments in the talk page of Kolkata , so that other wikipedia users also can see the problem and decide ehat to do, rather than just 2 of us. I am copying this message to Kolkata talk page, please answae there. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

See! I do not have any problrm with the Armenian Jew image in my computer !!! This is peculiar. I think we can do one thing. The images I am adding, (you can remove those that are unnecessary like the old hore carriages one), let those be there. And talk regarding this isuue in the Kolkata talk page. Other users will know the proble. Let's see how they are seeing it.Especially some administrators / veteran users can be of great help. I will inform some veteran users I know of. Lets decide in a democratic way !!! Bye, (P.S. you can sign your message by clicking the third button from the right on the panel above the edit box). Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 09:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi ! Yes I know about the gallery system.Shimla also have a similar style. I once used that style in Hindu festivals, though not much beautifully! In fact, I was thinking to make such a section in Kolkata where some good images can be put, irrespective of sections. In the gallery, we can put dissimilar kind of images. I am giving this proposal to Kolkata talk page. Let's see how others respond.

BTW, to make it a FA, we have to put our energy in other parts apart from images. For example, FAs usually have great references, Kolkata lacks that. Just yesterday I put some references, before that no proper citing was there! Then, the red links. A featured article should have as less red links as possible. Hope we will be able to improve Kolkata. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

good work

Hi Blacksun - good work on Kolkata. I'll be glad to be of help. Rama's Arrow 18:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Kolkata section modification

Hi ! The sections "Colonial architecture" and "Modern Kolkata" seem extra in Kolkata, as Rama's Arrow and AreJay have pointed out in the talk page of Kolkata. Though it is not necessary to build the article just like other city articles, yet we should try to conform the article to a general rule which has been followed in Wikipedia. We should try to absorb these two sections elsewhere, may be in "Geography", "Administration" etc. Regarding images, we should create a central repository in Kolkata image gallery and use images from there as appropriate , as Ganeshk nicely adviced. However, we should concentrate now on the text, so that the text is good, informative, grammtically correct, and properly resourced. Thanks for all the work you are doing. Please see the template I've added in "See also" section. You can add more Kolkata-related articles to the template, I could not incorporate all articles. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 08:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Some requests

Hi! Please try to sign your comments by clicking the third button from the right on the switch panel above the edit box. Usually new talks are added to the end of an on-going talk page, both user talk pages and article talk pages. Hey, please look at the Kolkata image gallery, you can use image from the gallery. You can remove images from the main article as appropriate, but just check in every case if the image exists in the Kolkata image gallery. Please add more images to the gallery when you come across them. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 13:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi ! Please see Canberra. There the geography section consists of geography proper, "climate" and the "urban structure", while a separate section of "Infrastructure" contains health, transport and utilities! Sydney also does the same. We can solve the problem of "modern Kolkata" and "architecture" etc by following this pattern, and absorbing the contents of these would-be-deleted sections within "urban structure". Kolkata is still a moderate article, just about 35 KB. Many F.A.s are 45 KB. So no problem regarding size. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 14:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi! You know, this "city growth" - does not look good. It sounds a bit peculiar. "Urban structure" , as I said to you, could sound better.In that section, we can discuss CBD as well as new growth patterns, and also a bit of colonial architectures. Above all, we shall be able to produce precedence examples in case someone questions the relevance of such a section!--Dwaipayanc 14:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I think "media" could be kept seperately.--Dwaipayanc 15:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Your plan sounds nice and looks cool. But still, I think the "Media" part should be seperated because, that is the usual norm for Indian city article. Now the norm is not hard and fast, but shoul;d be followed as far as possible. Your plans to break up the city culture inti People and customs, Film, Sports, Festivals are good. I've just this objection over media. You can keep it for the moment here, and discuss in the Talk page of Kolkata. Lets see what the other contributors have to say.--Dwaipayanc 16:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC) P.S. Please put a colon (:) before you start typing, if you want to start your new comment under the same topic but in a new shifted para, as my above paragraphs, and please use the "Show preview" button to see if your talks are placed correctly. Thanks.

The way "city culture" is shaping up (with all those sub-sections of people and customs, films and theatre, oerforming arts, media , sports etc.) I think soon there would be advice to shrink the sulture section in one heading, and shift the seperated contents to the article Kolkata culture. Think of some rationale to defend your creation in the article when facing questions/ advices !! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 16:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Kolkata further

No, I do not think it is ready for review yet. I am doubtfull about the culture section. Let some time pass. Let other users see it. Let us inform users like Rama's Arrow, Bhadani, Gurubrahma, Ragib, Deeptrivia etc. and also, if possible, by beurocrat like Nichalp. Plus, it seems the "Trivia" section has to be removed, we can create a fork article Kolkata trivia. And try ro compare with Indian FA cities like Mumbai, Gangtok, Kalimpong. I have some points regarding images. It would be fantastic to have an image of a water-logges street, or, still better, a photo of football in the maidan in a rainy day. The cloud-covered skyline and/or the eastern wetlands can be removed. The article is not grammatically full-proof. So I don't thijnk the article is ready for a peer-review. At least, let this week (while Kolkata is the Indian collaboration of the Week) pass, then we can consider! Bye! --Dwaipayanc 04:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, the "urban structure" is not well written. "Transport" may be worked upon. "Economy" needs further addition/modification. The article , especially in these parts, sounds less informative, and too much advertisement like , especially the urban structure.--Dwaipayanc 04:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi 1 So ypu are now busy with Hinduism. Please come to Kolkata for a while! I think the part where colonial architecture has been described under "urban structure" has to be removed. The gist of this part can be absorbed in the "history" where we have a reference to "city of palaces". The image of victoria memorial, in that case, can be placed in the tourism section, as a Kolkata article without an image of the victoria is injcomplete. In fact, the image can be incorporated in the "history" itself, as the section "history" would be quite large if we absorb the colonial section there. Please see the urban structure of modern Kolkata that I rewrote. Bye! --Dwaipayanc 16:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

No, no, I am not abandoning Kolkata. I just thought that it would be useful to wait few days and get input from some more people. In the meantime, I decided to work on Hinduism as it is in danger of losing FA status. Sometimes when you work on one thing too much you can't see what needs to be improved as you are too close to it. So I am stepping back for few days! Also, I do not think that we should add much more to History as it is already quite long. Maybe a separate architecture section or sub-section. Moving the architecture part to tourism might hold promise too. Nor sure. (Blacksun 16:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC))

Hi ! I removed the Trivia section, and enlarged history. Please go on with your suggested "name" section. Lets do whatever we can in this week. Later on , if we be able to put the article for peer review, further modifications can be done, as needed. However, before that, the article should be made free of typos and grammatical mistakes as far as possible. And we should search for statistical database of Kolkata, if any. The article seems weak in referencing statistics. Even now, the article as a whole reads like a article written out of love to the city ( so many "oldest", "first" etc.) rather than objective view-point. We need more references.--Dwaipayanc 06:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism Edits

Hi Blacksun, good work so far on the Hinduism article. I'm glad you took to working on the article — I myself would have liked to continue to contribute, but work has caught up with me. With regards to the reasoning behind one of your recent edits "Support: Their was no such section in original FA", keep in mind that FA candidacy is considerably harder now than it used to be when Hinduism got featured in 2004. Negative aspects and alternate viewpoints on any subject are required and those reviewing FACs come down pretty hard on such articles. While I feel that the current lenght of the Hindu nationalism is appropriate, this may be something to keep in mind as you continue to make edits to the article. Cheers, and one again, good job! AreJay 22:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal

You can ask User:Arejay he's heavily involved with the portal. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks back

thanks for looking after the Hinduism article; I didn't realize it was featured at all, it seemed obvious that it wasn't quite there, but I never watched it very closely. Thanks to your effort, I do think it will live up to its FA status shortly if you keep at it. dab (ᛏ) 09:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Great Job!

Hinduism is very much improved, have a barnstar for your tireless efforts getting it up to code. I'll change my vote about it's removal, if there's anything else I can do, let me know :) Judgesurreal777 22:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with you. Please stop getting anoyed at me and please listen. You may have a difference of opinion. Most Hindus, whether they know it or not, have been subconsciously influenced by Advaita philisophy, which views differents forms of God as aspects of Brahman, which has a Saguna Brahman component. There is a difference. Vaishnavites believe only that Vishnu is the supreme God whon incarnates. (i.e., avatars. I agree with you partly. The Christianity analogy may be striken out. I am a Hindu myself as well. Just living in India makes no difference as many Hindus outside India have a far superior knowledge of their bretheren in India. I have been complimented by many users for my contributions such as Bhadani;http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Raj2004&oldid=31831915 Please ask him. I have created many articles on Hinduism, such as Karma in Hinduism and significantly expanded on others such as Vishnu sahasranama, Linga avatar and many others. Who did most of those Hinduism articles? Me. So please don't preach to me that being an Indian born Hindu has superior knowledge, which from your statement I assume. The masses of Hindus you may know in India may be grossly ignorant of their religion. How many have read the Upanishads, Brahma Sutras, Bhagavad Gita and numerous 20th century Hindu scholars such as Swami Sivananda? Please read his excellents books, such as All about Hinduism, available at http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm Please correct me if I misinterpreted what you meant.

Thanks.

Raj2004 01:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:India/Quiz

Hi, I've seen you've been pretty active on Wikipedia, particularly related to topics on India and Hinduism. So if you have so much knowledge, why not put it to the test? Join Portal:India/Quiz and you may be dubbed India Quizmaster. At the moment we're in the middle of a round but it's not too late to give the leading users a run for their money. Nobleeagle (Talk) 08:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Kolkota

Thought this might interest you. You should be able to incorporate good portions of Pages 1-4 (and perhaps even beyond) from this link into the Kolkota article as you push towards a possible PR in the future. Thanks AreJay 04:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

PR

Hey Blacksun! Lets go for Kolkata peer review. The article needs improvement and inputs from several wikipedians. However, a grammer check is necessary prior to PR. --Dwaipayanc 05:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I have made the peer review request here. --Dwaipayanc 10:47, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, That's a sad news. I hope nothing disastrous occured. As a matter of fact, I am also quite busy with an accident in the family of a close friend. BTW, may I know where you live? Thanks. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 07:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

So, regarding Peer review, the condition of the article is not bad. The culture section , as it seems now, has to get rid of the sub-headings. And the tourism section, as I also feared, has to go (according to the rules laid out in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities). We can incorporate some of the tourism points in other sections, but, obviously, not all! --Dwaipayanc 17:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah! It's a great releif rhat you have come. I am a bit busy with my work, and was finding it difficult to change Kolkata as per the peer review. Please go through the peer review. And see that quite a lot of changes have been made. "History" has been nearly re-written, especially the early days.

You are in USA in work purpose?--Dwaipayanc 06:27, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

India related links

	Links for Wikipedians interested in India content
Newcomers: Welcome kit | Register: Indian Wikipedians | Network: Noticeboard (WP:INWNB) Browse: India | Open tasks | Deletions Contribute content: Wikiportal India - Indian current events (WP:INCE) India collaboration of the week (WP:INCOTW) - Category adoptions

I see that you have been doing some great work, I hope the above links would be helpful in that regard. --Gurubrahma 16:48, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Kolkata relegion stats

Hi! Did you by chance add the religion stats in Demography of Kolkata? If yes, what was the source? Basically I could not find out any source for the religion-wise division of Kolkata population - though the stats given in the article sounds quite realistic.--Dwaipayanc 17:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Another point I must request you. To copyedut Kolkata. I am a lousy copy-editor, whereas your copyedits are really very nice, and often , concise. So, if you get time, just do some copy-edits. Others are also helping a lot. Thanks!--Dwaipayanc 18:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

FAC

Some minor things are still to be addressed. Like the Vehicle code in the city info box! Nichalp has also said about some errors. Let him see the article again. Also I will be requesting Bhadaniji and others for seeing the article. Copyedit is a never-ending thing! I guess it will take a few more days for FAC. Plus, we should ensure that the article is as solid and without loopholes as possible, so as to avaoid long debates in the FAC. Thanks a lot for your works. You are a very careful copyeditor!

However, we need the religion data! Please tell me where did you find the 2001 data, that may be included if more or less a respectable site. --Dwaipayanc 05:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

2001 census data on Religion has not been published yet! I added 1991 data to the article, with reference from a conference article submission . The conference was as recent as in October 2005. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 06:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

The Regional Tranposrt Office(s) can answer the vehicle code. Probably the data is not online! That's really a pain. I would ask a few person who may know where these regional transport offices are. I fear they may not cooperate ( I mean the offices). This minor data is causing real trouble! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 06:20, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Other stuffs on Kolkata

File:Calcutta Map.jpg

Map of present-day Kolkata

Interestingly, the year of shifting of capital from Kolkata to Delhi is 1912, according to Britannica, whereas other sources say 1911. In fact, the article used to say both in two different sections. I cannot find out the 1911 anymore in the article.

The elevation is another debatable point. While in the infobox, it's 9 metres, NASA states 1.5 to 9 metres (see the reference in cited in the geography section). A table of hierarchy of the Municipal Corporation instead of that Writer's Building pic would have been much better in the "Civic Administration". Also, the article lacks a nice map. Articles like Chennai, Mumbai have a kind of map that are probably created by users based on available maps.

The products of the industries in "Economy" are too much, also too much intra-wiki links. Otherwise, the article is starting to look compact! Bye. (please continue your excellent copyediting - that's the best way now to curb the size).--Dwaipayanc 06:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

We already have a colonial map of Kolkata. And this UTexas map does not look good. I don't think either of the maps fit in the article. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 07:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

How do you like this map I added ? And where do you think the map can be placed in teh article, if at all...?--Dwaipayanc 12:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Maps

Hi! See Image:KolkatainIndia.png and Image:Calcutta Map.jpg. Can you mis these 2 a la Bangalore infobox? I do not know hoe to handle this photo-editors. At least, use the Image:KolkatainIndia.png and highlight a la Mumbai and Chennai. I tried, with pathetic result! Thanks. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 17:02, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Nope! Not now. Nichalp has told me he will be copy-editing the article soon, within 2-3 days. After his copy-editing is finished, we shall archive the peer review then. Ok? --Dwaipayanc 07:12, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

not before this sunday. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 03:54, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Tagore

Those are good suggestions. However, I need to take a brief wiki-breather until the weekend; I'll make your suggested changes then. Feel free to continue editing Tagore. Also, it's never goodd etiquette to advertize FACs (it's considered rude/abusive of consensus). Saravask 02:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:Kolkota metro locomotive.PNG

Hi, I have tagged your uploaded image. Please access Image:Kolkota metro locomotive.PNG if you want to change the tag. Nivus^(talk) 08:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Subhash Chandra Bose

Hi! I thought you might get intersted in Subhash Chandra Bose. The article is ina peculiar fluid state, especially the "Political views" section. If you read ir 15 days back, it would have seemed that Bose was a great pragmatic politician with great understanding of real-politik. If you read it now, it might seem that Bose was more of a fascist.It needs work. And the page is often vandalised. It needs LOTS of reference. Please see if you can help! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 09:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Khalistan

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		awarded user Blacksun for his hard work on the article Khalistan. Anmol.2k4 11:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

IMO you have done exemplary work on that article, few weeks back i was active there but got too busy. I like the work you did, once i get some more time i would like to make that article better, co-operate with you. p(^o^)q

Eden photo

File:EdenGardensCalcuttaCricket.jpg

File:KolkataEdenOngoingCricket.jpg

What do you think about this photo? Will it be better than the present one in sports?--Dwaipayanc 18:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

And also that one?--Dwaipayanc 18:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! It's looking nice in the article. Have a look. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 20:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I think the Medical College photo is not good-quality (Education). The light is bad. A good-quality pic of University of Calcutta would look better. What do you think?--Dwaipayanc 20:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

See the photo of Medical College main building. I just changed it. Does it look better than the previous one? University would look something like this (the color of the buildings are similar).--Dwaipayanc 20:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply:lalala!!

Hi! Well, there was some activity on Sunday, when Nichalp made a review of history and geography. In history, he made some changes and some embedded comments. Only on yesterday, I could address all the points. Now I am waiting for further reviw by him. I am emphasizing so much on Nichalp's reviews because he had been instrumental in almost all the Indian FAs and other FAs as well. I think it is wise to fix the problems pointed out by his reviw and then go for FAC. Also, Bangladesh has just gone for FAC, Rabindranath Tagore is there for some days. I think we should wait till Bangladesh becomes a bit old in the FAC.

I have doubts regarding culture, and also certain points in Demographics and Economy. Perhaps too sceptic! Srill, we shall wait till Nichalp dies a reveiw for those. I shall be knocking at his door soon!! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 04:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

There you are! Some activities in Kolkata!!!--Dwaipayanc 04:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Saw the reviews by Nichalp? And you were telling that we were ready for FAC!! civic administration was full of flaws. I had to spare 2 hours to address all the points raised by the review! Even then one or two points remain. And all these, even before Nichalp has reviewed culture, economy etc. This is why I am not hurrying! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 20:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

PS. please do the copyedit of civic administration and utility service. I might have left grammatical errors. Also, those could be shortened, I feel. Thanks.--Dwaipayanc 20:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi! The new review had many embedded comments. I have removed those as I went on adressing the comments. Some red links were created that have been converted to blue. You have to see from history of the article if you want to see what were the points Nichalp raised. See This and that. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 20:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Inotes

Hi, I've replied on the Talk:India page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Utility answers

• The KMC supplies potable water to the city, most of which come from the Hooghly river after being treated at Palta water pumping station (under KMDA), in North 24 Parganas.

LoL. It really sounds confusing. "Palta" is in North 24 Parganas, a separate district. However, Palta water treatment plant is within KMDA area. Ganga water is treated in Palta ( I am not really sure who really does this, KMDA or KMC as the websites of both KMDA and KMC claims what they recently did in Palta!!). Then water is sent to KMC area, initially at Tala (a really HUGE tank) [1], and also to some other smaller tanks. Then distributed to other local water tanks, then to house holds. Whew! That's tough!!! Hope you can simplify matters. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 20:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:Sardar Patel

Hi - I plan to push the FA drive from Monday onwards. I'll re-start the PR and incorporate all the previously obtained advice. Thanks for maintaining interest - I'll need your help. Rama's Arrow 14:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Help!

Hi! Help needed. Kolkata is gonna have a score of red links soon. Most of the red links can be made blue by web references. Those needing almost absolute knowledge of the city (and perhaps not having enough web references) will be handled by me. Some, like Royal Calcutta Golf Club, Calcutta Rowing Club etc have enough web content to make a stub. Please try to build some articles when you get time. Thanks!--Dwaipayanc 07:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks a lot. Yeah I am seeing them and enhancing as needed! Lake club perhaps has to go. A peculiar problem is I am not finding out any reference saying Sallake is the only planned section of the city! I am getting stuffs saying salt lake is planned, but the word "only" is absent! That's weirs! Amother red link that I am gonna add is China Town, however, I will start that article. Lets wait if more red links come up! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikilinks

Hi! Please do not unwikify red links. If the club is not notable, then it should be removed from the Kolkata page, else it prompts users to create a new article and enrichen wikipedia. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:23, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Civility

If you can not be civil in your replies, then refrain from posting. --Bob 15:03, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sardar Patel

Hi Blacksun - could you please give me a critical evaluation of this article on the talkpage? I don't think another PR is needed, and with your help I can make all the remaining necessary corrections before FAC. Thanks, Rama's Arrow 17:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your input. Your points are quite valid and I will address them all and add some more material by tomorrow (I will have to go offline shortly). I hope you can check this article again tomorrow, and lemme know if/when I should go for the FAC. Thanks again for your valuable help. Cheers, Rama's Arrow 20:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S. - if you have time, please have a look at Muhammad Ali Jinnah. I'm prepping this article for FAC too, and would very much welcome your critical analysis. Rama's Arrow 20:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Image dilemma

File:VegHawkerKolkataCropped.jpg

We have 2 images for the "Economy". See the 2 images.

The vegetable hawker image seems more relevant. However, I have cropped it, and it may give rise to dispute (as it is under a no derivatives" licanse). On the other hand, the flower market pic is much better quality-wise, have perfect licensinsing, but seems to me a little less relevant...Please comment.--Dwaipayanc 12:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Once it had a swanky IT company pic. But it was removed. Unlike Mumbai, Kolkata lacks any telltale economic icon.(Mumbai has Dalal Street BSE). Port activities would have been better. But getting a pic of the activities in the port is not easy. Plus, the port is not that much imp in Kolkata now.

It's really a problem. For the time being, let's keep the flower market.I have a mental pic though which may be most apprpriate. A pic of the River Hooghly with an array of chimneys billowing smoke, preferably shot from the opposite bank, or, for clarity, from a boat in the river! I wish we had a good photographer cooperating with us! Bye.--Dwaipayanc 13:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Blacksun, Thanks for your contributions here. Just a suggestion. Please add an edit summary with your edits. It really helps to see it on the watch list. - Ganeshk (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Force edit summary might help. Works out great for me. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 05:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

In your monobook. Copy and paste the functions and press Ctrl+F5. Test the function by editing with a blank edit summary. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:38, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Re:kolkata

Hi! Basically I am not sure if I'll put it on FAC now. I am going through some busy times (personal works). I fear I won't be able to dedicate time if some critical issue is raised in FAC. And I will not be able to totally free of works before mid-June. Now, that dos not mean I am taking a total wiki-break, but, still. If you have time, you are welcome to go for an FAC of the article. I shall, of course, be there to help. See Nichalp's comment in my talk page (dated 20 April), see if you can help. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 18:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

A peculiar ptoblem, the coordinates! Several sources differing. More or less 22, 32 amd 88, 20 seem to be okish. Whilr the coordinates in the right above corner is different. This is probably due to measurement at several points. which should be taken as standard? Any idea? Any online standard atlas?--Dwaipayanc 07:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me. It's there, finally!--Dwaipayanc 17:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

So, you must be happy with the FAC! --Dwaipayanc 17:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Kargil War Dispute on Credibility

Hey Blacksun, hope you don't carry any hard feelings over the Kargil War dispute as I won't. I just want you to know that detailing info on why people are wrong (minus the insults) is generally more persuasive than simply calling people shameful and silly. A 100-word essay full of relevant strong arguments does not incite anger, and anger is not what we want on Wikipedia. Nobleeagle (Talk) 07:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Images

Hi! See these images: Image:KolkataTraffic1945.jpg, Image:ChowringhrrKolkata1945.jpg, Image:HooglyKolkata1945.jpg, Image:AerialKolkata1945.jpg and tell me which one will be appropriate if we want to replace the old map in "History" Section. Both the aerial images (ones of the river, the other the skyline) are breathtaking! My choice would be either of the two, can't decide. Slight inclination to the river image. We'll move the Government House image up, and place this new image lower in the "History" section.Help.--Dwaipayanc 07:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Image tagged

The image of Kolkata metro you uploaded has been tagged for deletion unless you can provide source and copyright information within 7 days. Loom91 06:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Blacksu, I do not know if that image is really free. As a work of an agency of the Indiam government , it should be free (a la US govt.). I think we shoild tag the image as fair use, with this rationale. Bye.--Dwaipayanc 07:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi! You can strike off the second short term goal in your user page now.--Dwaipayanc 20:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Kolkata FA

Congrats on the FA!!! I know you played in a big part in it. - Ganeshk (talk) 03:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yo Blacksun! I was wondering where were you! good that you have come. Yeah I am too looking forward for further collaborations. You were almost a gift from heaven in time of need. (in the initial days, remember!) I think those were your first days in Wikipedia as well. Meanwhile, your efforts especially in Hinduism, India FARC, IIT, Patel (and I do not know where else) were great. Thanks a lot. And also I think you were pretty much bored with the delay. But Nichalp was doing wonderful stuffs with the article. the result was a nearly cleen sweep in FAC. In fact, Nichalp told me he was disappointed with that one oppose! A real perfectionist. Bye. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at Darjeeling when you get some free time.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you did much good work on both Kolkata and Tagore. Hope you don't stop there! Saravask 18:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Tagore

Thanks for taking the time to nominate it for TFA and help edit/critique it — now we just need to deal with all that vandalism! And May 7 was a perfect choice by you. Saravask 18:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Patel

Hi Blacksun - I greatly appreciate your taking time to give advice on Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. I need to take a one-day Wikibreak, but I'll begin my final assault on the article on May 2nd, and send it to FAC on May 3rd. Please lemme know if you find any further issues in the article. Rama's Arrow 00:08, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Darjeeling

Good that you are visiting Darjeeling. The place is good with old world charm. But thanks to the typical Bengali family tourists, the "Queen of the Hills" has become a sort of extended Sealdah bazar. Hope we will be able to get some photos of colonial architecture of the city. The schools are beautiful. Help is particularly sought for turning so many red links to blue ones. Have to depend on the web for that, as , unlike Kolkata, I do not have much first hand knowledge of the place. Bye the way, I shall leave a whole lot of grammatical mistake and bad sounding sentences.(As you already have noticed). All dependes on you!! Bye. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Could you please have a quick look of Darjeeling? Please give your suggestions in the article's talk page. This is for an internal review before moving to peer review. Thanks. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Portal:India/Selected article removal candidates

Hi! The template for Portal:India/Selected article removal candidates was not made, and I tried to make it. However, the result Template:Pisarc is not ok. It is not functioning perfectly as can be seen in the talk pages where this has been put, for example, Talk:Raja Ravi Varma and Talk:Cheese. See that the template shows the name of the article once again at the end! I have already contacted Nichalp (talk · contribs) in this regard. You can also help to resolve this technical matter.

Many articles in Portal:India/Selected articles deserve to be delisted as they are either not india related or do not meet the criteria. It seems from the list as if many articles were NOT chosen by going through the prescribed procedure, rather chosen somewhat indiscriminately. Please see. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:01, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Need help with Inter-Services Intelligence page

I have been working on the ISI page for a while now. I added a lot of citations from various different sources and even from very anti-pakistan sources. I expanded the missions while also expanding the controversies surrounding the ISI and their role in Pakistan's internal affairs, Kashmir, war on terrorism, etc...

I have it up for peer review, but I haven't received much feed back. I was wondering if you could take a look at the article and point some flaws that exist in the article which I can correct before I post it for FAC status.

Thanks

--Mercenary2k 5:46 AM May 8, 2006

Khalistan ICOTW

Hi,

Just wondering if you could vote for Khalistan on WP:INCOTW. Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 17:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Ahmedabad PR

Thanks for the comments on Ahmedabad PR. I have replied there. - Aksi_great (talk) 10:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Check the lead now. What do you think? - Aksi_great (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know you were from Ahmedabad (or are you in Ahmedabad?). Anyways just pitch in whenever you want to (you can help by populating the innumerable red-links). I am trying to read as much as I can about Ahmedabad so that I can add value to the article. The problem with researching on communal riots is that I cannot find any source that is not biased. It is really a bad state of affairs - all this communalism :(. So I am trying to compile a list of riots/agaitations that have happened and came up with:

1. 1974 - Nav Nirman agitation
2. 1981 - First anti-reservation agitation
3. 1985 - Second anti-reservation agaitation
4. 1992 - Communal riots due to Babri Masjid demolition

Am not aware about other major riots in the city. Could only find these. - Aksi_great (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

You should tell the recentmost riot after Godra episode, see 2002 Gujarat violence.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I am restoring the original text on Ahmedabad for now. There is no controversy over the fact that the riots happened after the Godhra incident. Also you have added that over a thousand people died without any source. I am changing that text to "claiming the lives of many people" - Aksi_great (talk) 07:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the cause of the train deaths was a controversy as a government report claimed that it was an accident. Also, stating many people died sounds like a bad cover up to me. --Blacksun 03:57, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I get your point now. I thought you were saying that the fact that the riots followed the Godhra incident was controversial. My bad. I will try and convey that the cause of fire is controversial soon. Also, I am not trying to cover up the death toll. Am in the process of finding out from some good source the exact toll so that no one can challenge it. Thanks for your concern. BTW, did you notice all the new pics? Makes the article look great. - Aksi_great (talk) 05:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

can you check out the history section now and tell me if it needs any more tweaking. - Aksi_great (talk) 05:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I think that you should avoid citing the controversy by making a general statement that does not go into the details of how/why/where it started. Keep all that stuff to the main article. In my opinion it should be just a single sentence on the topic. And ya those new pictures are great, especially the food stalls one. I think their was a good picture of teen darwaza (posted by nichalp in discussion) that you can use instead of the delhi darwaza (which is dark and poor quality). --Blacksun 07:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

comment

"Tagore was born in Jorasanko, Kolkata (then Calcutta) in present day India" . I understood what you meant, but this sentence structure looks a bit odd and ambiguous, doesn't it? If I say "x is born in Y in present day Z", doesn't it sound like implying X is born in some time close to the present? I suggest "in what is now India" or something less ambiguous. Thanks. --Ragib 03:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

that works. --Blacksun 04:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Sukh's RFA - Thanks!

Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:48, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:map

Hi Blacksun - Sorry for the delay in replying. I had informed the creator of this map about GFDL and given him a link to the doc. I did this after Nichalp warned me about the same point you raised. Rama's Arrow 18:51, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Kolkata trivia on AfD

H! Kolkata trivia is a candidate for AfD, and quite rightky so. The editor who proposed the deletion has done so excellently, and IMO, it should be deleted. Now, what can be done regarding the information retained in the article? It will be difficult to integrate all the info in several articles, at least that would be time-consuming. Waiting for response.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think any of the information is that valuable nor can I think of any where they can be placed. I will check the article on malaria to see if it has the pertaining information. --Blacksun 19:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

IIT FAC

The deletion was unintended. I was testing my new popups javascript. Apologies. --Sunfazer |Talk 19:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for the way you are giving inputs in IIT FAC. Its great. Mr Anwar has appeared once again! He is a very interesting creature. And his objections are gradually taking a relatively rational shape lately, rather than the earlier gibberish.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

A new section ("Name") was added to Kolkata, following a discussion in the talk page. Please see it is ok. As a result, the lead was made short.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks fine to me! --Blacksun 18:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

What happened

Hi! What happened? This sudden FARC? You were the strongest outspoken person against the previos FARC! I have never ever read the article so cannot comment. Hope it is not the ourfall of something bitter. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

ofcourse it is not about personal reasons. Article does not meet FA standards and I have not been able to get help to get it to that. I strongly beleive that the community will work on it in a more efficient manner if it lost its FA status or even if it was FARC'd. --Blacksun 15:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

You can put a notice above the talk page declaring the policy that you will reply in your talk page.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Is their a template for such a notice? --Blacksun 06:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

reply

Ah, so calling me "mean-spirited and obnoxious" is OK, is it? Tony 01:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No activity

Hi,

Just dropped in to say hello. I haven't seen much activity from you for a long time. Are you on a Wiki-break. Please tell when will you return. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! Great to see that you here! I saw your message in Ambuj's talkpage. So what are you upto these days? Have you seen the Adi Shankara FAC?--Dwaipayan (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello - Dwaipayanc! Nice to hear from you too. Hope things are going well for you. Ya I looked at the FAC today. --Blacksun 03:46, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Ambuj's RFA

Will you please consider softening the language of your latest comments. It will not do Ambuj's cause any good. Tintin (talk) 15:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tintin (talk) 15:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Blacksun, you've kept me amused ;) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 17:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bluntness can be amusing if you are not at the wrong side of it :> --Blacksun 18:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Only the edge is blunt. The handle of the knife is not. Whatever the hell that means.... Rama's arrow 19:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Darjeeling FAC

Hi - ::Your points have been addressed. Please take another look at the article. Rama's arrow 19:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ray FAC

Hi, I saw your comments on the Satyajit Ray talk page and thought you might be interested to know that the article is up as a FAC. Thanks,--ppm 00:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

West Bengal FAC

Yo! West Bengal is in FAC. However, I was not the nominator, nor was any other Bengali/Indian editor. I was improving the article when W123 (talk · contribs) nominated it. Have a look, please. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

West Bengal is in FAC again. Please have a look.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Kolkata metro map.PNG

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Kolkata metro map.PNG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page for more information if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Lokal_Profil 02:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi! How are you? It's been a long time since we talked. I saw your comments in History of Tamil Nadu FAC, and thought you might be active. How are you doing, friend? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala

Thanks for the copy edits. I will provide all the citations requested. Also regarding the innotes you have added, the info you are seeking got lost after repeat copy edits. This is one of the problems with continuos copy edits. I shall answer your innotes either by more clarity on the main article page or in your talk page depending on the note.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Innotes on Hoysala page

1. The legend may have gained popularity after King Vishnuvardhana's victory over the Cholas at Talakad as the Hoysala emblem depicts the fight between Sala and a tiger, the emblem of the Cholas.

Reply-->Historians are not sure who Sala was though they have tried to associate the early kings Nripa Kama I or II, but this has not gained popular support. The legend of Sala bacame more popular from around 1117 CE after Vishnuvardhanas victroy over the Cholas after which sculptural and inscriptional depictions started to appear. The emblem rather than focussing on Sala focusses on Salas (Hoysalas) victory over the Cholas, the tiger being the Chola emblem.Dineshkannambadi 16:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

2.Reply-->added dates for inscriptions implying Yadava lineage.

3.QuestionBy the 13th century, they governed most of present-day Karnataka, Tamil Nadu and western Andhra Pradesh in Deccan India.

Reply-->The map shows the core Hoysala areas and excludes loyal feudatories from coastal Karnataka. The Pandyas who payed tribute for some time from Southern Tamil Nadu. I have a map here that is more precise and will request user Nichalp to correct it. The map shows the entire northern Tamil Nadu under Hoysala occupation (the Cholas had been reduced to their feudatories at this time, though their control over Pandyas was periodic 1220-1250, 1290-1313 when the muslim invasion started)Dineshkannambadi 16:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

4.The kingdom was divided into four provinces named Nadu, Vishaya, Kampana and Desha, possibly in decending order of geographical size.

Reply-->The kingdom was divided into these four categories and there may have been several Nadus (and Vishayas) under which were several Kampans and under that, several Deshas etc. Just like we have a state under which there are several districts and under them Taluks.Dineshkannambadi 16:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

5.Question Under them were the local officials called Heggaddes and Gavundas who dealt with local farmers and labourers hired to till the land.

Reply I will clean this up. They took care of hiring farmers and labourers.Dineshkannambadi 16:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

6.Question There were other coins called Bele and Kani as well.

Reply No more info on these units are available. However from the way it is just mentioned by the author suggests very low denominations.Dineshkannambadi 16:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry!

Hope I didn't step on you in Hoysala Empire article. I should have looked at the history first. Sincerely, Mattisse 14:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala

Thanks for your effort. I will take care of your concerns tonight.Dineshkannambadi 14:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

hoysala

Hi. I have answered your question in the discussion page about the "legend". I have also addressed the "vimana" issue in the main article. Please see if that is good enough.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 01:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala

Actually, the see also section was put in place as per user:Nichalp. Not sure about his opinion. I am ok either way.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 12:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued support. It keeps the morale of us history buffs going. I will remove the city name where the cited books were published and also unclub citations where they are clubbed.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 13:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It was easy working on that article because the quality of the content was of the highest standard. Congrats on getting it to FA.--Blacksun 13:10, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

Thank you for your support in the RfA on my behalf. It is an honor to have received your expression of confidence. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. It is my wish that I will continue to deserve your confidence. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 22:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire

Hi. Please take a look at the newly proposed format for Vijayanagara Empire.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 02:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Occupied

Hi, I only just read your posting of earlier today (Jan 5) on the Talk:India page, and I took the liberty of putting it in its proper time order (it was getting to be confusing). I agree, I don't see much substantive difference between "occupation" and "colonization," however, I am also aware that in history texts these words have specific meanings and I leave it to experts like John Kenney to tell me what is proper usage these days. Notice that the sentence that appears in the current version of the lead uses neither word (and it has been that way for over a month). My understanding of my interlocutors' view is that because they think the British were "occupiers," they are justified in not mentioning the British at all on the India page; instead they would like to use general words like "foreign occupation" and "non-native expulsion." They see any mention of the British an implicit acknowledgment of "colonization," a word they seem to hate. And apparently words like "overthrew," "expulsion," or "ejected" are also important to them. Their version of the sentence in the lead reads:

“ India emerged as a modern democratic nation-state in 1947, after it overthrew foreign occupation by widespread use of nonviolent resistance as a means of social protest. ”

As for my examples of human migrations out of Africa, I was being a little provocative to be sure, but I was making a general point that when an invader occupies a land, it doesn't matter to the occupied people whether the invader is planning to settle or not, their land is gone regardless. I think the reason that the British are seen as occupiers or colonialists in their stint in India has more to do with what stage of history (travel, communication) we are in than with whether their headquarters were in London or not. The Afrikaners after all chose to settle in South Africa, arriving 350 years ago during the time of Shah Jahan (and their name even means "African") however, they are still seen as "occupiers" by many black South Africans. The same with the Israelis—they definitely want to settle (and aren't going back to any place), but the Palestinians think of them as occupiers. The reason why the Moghuls, the Indo-Aryans, the Dravidians (who came from the Middle-East and not Africa), and all the previous human groups who invaded India (going back to the first human migrants out of Africa, 55,000 years ago) are not seen as occupiers, is that the accounts and memories of the occupied—of the trauma they endured—have been lost.

My basic point is that whether you regard the British to be villains or saints, they were in India and they influenced modern-day India in myriad ways down to the language we all use in Wikipedia; they deserve a mention on the India page. As for "occupation" or "colonization," I'm using neither word. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course, it would be silly to not mention British rule in India article. I doubt you have to worry about that and it should not even be open for discussion. However, it seems like at least one other poster seems to think that their is a significant difference between "British colonization" and "British occupation" - that latter is somehow righteous and a more natural thing to do than the former - which I cannot agree with. --Blacksun 09:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Well, the two posters are Chanakyathegreat and Himalayanashoka; the latter has been banned for the next two months for using sockpuppets to evade his earlier week-long ban. 13:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Rewording

Hi again, we have a new rewording in the section: Talk:India#Occupation. When you have time, feel free to add your feedback. Thanks! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Quite frankly, I am not able to follow the conversation anymore. I read some of the proposed rewordings and I think they all seem bit awkward. The original sentence is just fine. --Blacksun 09:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comment on Delhi FAC

Hey there, now take a look at the page and tell if there is anything which can be more improved. Sushant gupta 07:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It is a significant progress. It still feel that it is missing some important aspects of daily lives of people in Delhi but it is defnitely a lot better. --Blacksun 08:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:Fowler

Hi - no need to assure my of your "friendly" advice - you are a friend and worthy colleague. Well, I must try to do the best job I can. My comments were aggressive in tone as a result of Fowler's accusations against me at ANI, which I found to be baseless and outrageous. But I will take your advice, Cheers, Rama's arrow (3:16) 16:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire

Thanks for your FA support. I had left a message for user:Venu62 (Parthi) for his comments on the article, perhaps he is busy with other things.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Vijayanagara Empire

Thanks for your FA support. I had left a message for user:Venu62 (Parthi) for his comments on the article, perhaps he is busy with other things.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Delhi FAC

Could you please see my long comment (!) in the Delhi FAC regarding the lack of soul etc? Basically IMO the city IS lacking a soul at present. May be we need very well-crafted skilled writing. Please see. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 12:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that the problems in the article were due to the fact that it was rushed to FA. The review it went through was not as thorough and their was a sense of "FA will iron out the kinks" to the candidacy. Regarding the culture, I have to disagree with your comment to some extent. I recall reading many interesting articles about various sub-cultures that exist in present-day Delhi. It can be anything from the increasing night life to the effect of being so close to the power center of India. Their has to be a lot to be said about Delhi that cannot be said about other cities.--Blacksun 22:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Taj Mahal RFC

I've filed an RFC relating to the Taj Mahal at Talk:Taj Mahal#Request for Comment: Inclusion of minority points of view. Your comments would be welcome. Joopercoopers 17:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

For your efforts in promoting India History related topics

I am presenting this barnstar to recognize your interest in India History related topics and your interest in improving its quality in an unbiased manner.Dineshkannambadi 14:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC) The Original Barnstar

The barnstar is not meant to recognize your support of my FA articles and pending FA article, but rather a general appreciation of your interest. I wish there were more like you. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

LoL, this is a surprise. Really, I should be giving you a barnstar and not the other way around. However, I appreciate it. --Blacksun 21:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Paul Raj RfC

Hi Blacksun. I will write an RfC for Paul Raj. I have never written an RfC, and it may take me a few days. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 16:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, it would be helpful if you could supply me with diffs where you (you personally) attempted to resolve a dispute with Paul and failed. Thanks. sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 19:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi issue

Hi. I've been following this for a long time and perhaps was one of the first to note the blatant misuse of the project by User:Paul Raj. An earlier incarnation of this user User:Vaikunda Raja spammed hundreds of pages with links to this minor sect. It is next to impossible to reason with this user. When one tries to have a dialog, he will simply launch one of his oft-repeated long replies which really make no sense. I have come to believe that the poor language and grammar in the replies are part of the act to make it difficult to hold a sane conversation. I find it hard to agf with this user. Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 01:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You may also be interested in these :

• German Wikipedia - [2], [3]
• French Wikipedia - [4], [5]
• Dutch Wikipedia - [6], [7]
• Polish Wikipedia - [8]
• Japanese Wikipedia - [9], [10]
• Spanish Wikipedia - [11], [12]
• Italian Wikipedia - [13], [14]
• Afrikaans - [15]
• Arabic - [16]
• Greek - [17]
• Latin - [18]

And more...

No other 'religion' has such wide coverage in the Wikipedia universe. Most of these interwiki pages were created by this user. Parthi ^{talk/contribs} 02:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Friend, I want to know What the so called 'blatant misuse' means? All the suggestions made by me and every article by me is based on valid sources. So better if you view this issue in a NPOV, strictly. Then the working of wiki users rests upon the intrest he/she had with a topic to write on. It doesn't mean that spammmm! and etc - _Д=|Θ|=_{Д Paul}| 23:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

We have no reason to have a POV on this matter. Maybe you are the one who might have a POV and need to understand that the religion is not significant or defined enough to be so widespread in wikipedia? --Blacksun 08:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt that still you people are not beleiving that no such Ayyavazhi(seperately) exists, even after all this much of citations! I can't tolerate such usages as 'balant misuse' and all.

I ask, for a festival in Meenakshi temple Madurai, the news papers generally, don't call it as "thousands of Saivites participated", but instead as "thousands of Hindus". Similarly in the case of other Vaishnavite temples. But during an Ayyavazhi festival, the news papers, while reporting the news they call as thousands of "Ayyavazhi followers" participapted in. How many such reports I want to cite? from Daily Thanthi,(News Paper, Supposed to be the largest readership in India) Dina Malar Dina Karan etc.

Also during reporting a thanks giving message for the offcial holiday by Bala Prajapathi Adikalar, the news paper call Ayyavazhi as a seperate religion and Bala Prajapathi Adikalar as the religuos head of Ayyavazhi.

After all still you all are doubting, I am openly challenging; 175th Ayya Vaikunda Avatharam is one month ahead. There are many users here from Tamil Nadu. I suggest any one to give a visit to it. From the celebrative programs there, you may definitely form a picture in your mind regarding the autonomous functioning of Ayyavazhi.

And for the notability, already valid sources are cited. - _Д=|Θ|=_{Д Paul}| 18:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Dharmic religion

Since you asked, just wanted to let you know that what happened was that User:Silence didn't do the merge properly, and apparently accidentally failed to undelete the old history after doing the move. I have restored the old history of over 300 edits, so it should be all there now. —Lowellian (reply) 01:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Hi, I've started an RfC Talk:India#Request_for_Comment:_Adding_new_material_to_the_India_page_history_section. Any comments and feedback, at your convenience, will be welcome! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Paul Raj RfC

I have started one. However, what is very important, that I am missing, is evidence of individuals other than my self attempting to resolve the problem with Paul Raj and failing. I strongly suggest that you attempt to discuss the issues with Paul. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 13:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I will try. --Blacksun 13:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to offer my help in this regard, since he was referring about lot of local newspapers. Since I know Tamil, I thought I can be helpful to evaluate this issue impartially. I found few local newspapers which mentions separately about Ayyavazhi sect. But I am not able to conclude whether these reports are sufficient evidence to say Ayyavazhi sect is separate religion. I will ask for some more evidence and then try to translate few pages in English. Let wiki community decide... Are you comfortable with this arrangement? --Indianstar 04:52, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

That is fine and thank you for your help. --Blacksun 02:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of the citatons given by Paul definitely proves the existence of Ayyavazhi sect. I will translate it once I am back from holidays. Whether it is recognized as separate religion by majority of its followers is disputable. But citaions proves that some section of their population considers it as separate religion. I am not able to assign % on either side. It seems recently Ayyavazhi is removed from many pages. I feel some of those pages deserves mention about Ayyavazhi. It would be better if we avoid mass removal of Ayyavazhi contents from all articles. Of course Ayyavazhi should not have disproportionate amount of contents in each article....(Like it had in Dharmic religin page). Can we desist from removing Ayyavazhi totally from all articles till we come to some understanding based on Tamil newspaper reports. --Indianstar 04:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems like their is no actual evidence then? We already knew that "some" people in Ayyavazhi believe that it is a separate religion because Paul believes so. However, how significant is that some? Their are people in many other Hindu sects that believe their sects are separate religions and I can find far more significant citations for them. Does it mean that we call them separate religions and list them under articles such as Dharmic religions? What about the fact that the current version of Ayyavazhi article leans very heavily towards theory of it being a separate religion? I also wonder how many people of AV sect believe that Hindu gods are insignificant to them now compared to the newest incarnation of God as per AV mythology (at least how it is presented in the AV article)? You have asked MANY good questions to Paul in the discussions you have had with him and I have not seen a single good response to any of those questions put forward by you. Wikipedia is not meant to perform original research but representation of current knowledge. I dare say we are doing lots of original research here in a very nonacademic manner. Their is only so much one can infer from random newspaper clippings of a local newspaper. I personally would never use even New York Times as a primary source. No offense to you and I appreciate your continued assistance. --Blacksun 12:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that credible evidences are not available to show that majority of Ayyavazhi followers consider themselves as separate religion. I meant "some" not based on Paul or few individuals views. Tamil regional newspapers do mention Ayyavazhi separately.(These reports available mostly in regional editions of regional newspapers meant for specific districts). --Indianstar 06:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Delhi

What do you think about culture section now? Some changes have been made. This FAC is my last try :) Unless interested Delhiites come forward, it will be tough :( Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:30, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Swastika comments

Despite the efforts of some Hinduism project people, the Swastika has been removed by the assertion made by some users that the Aum is more important that the Swastika as a visual motif and that the Hindu WikiProject are just trying to do this insensitive act for the sake of it. Thus the Swastika discussion effectively has no meaning anymore where you made comments has no meaning anymore. — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 06:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

oh well.--Blacksun 07:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Time limit between FACs

I do not know if there is any minimum time limit between FACs. Probably not.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Hoysala architecture

Thanks for the support and the kind words.Dineshkannambadi 02:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

Happy Holi !!--Dwaipayan (talk)

Thank you :> Happy holi to you too.--Blacksun 13:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Changes to Ayyavazhi lead

I have made changes to Ayyavazhi lead to bring article out of POV tag. Pl review and give your opinions on Talk page.--Indianstar 06:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Rashtrakuta Dynasty

Thank you for you support. It keeps me going with a positive attitude.Dineshkannambadi 12:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Hi! Saw you commenting in the Lage Raho Munna Bhai FAC (and also in India talk page). How are you? Have you seen the movie (Lage Raho...)?--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Dwai! I am doing fairly good. How are you? No I have seen only the first five minutes of it. I will have to try and see the entire movie sometime in near future.--Blacksun 08:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Reply:Hello

Yes, at some point I will branch out and start writing about other broader topics. The articles I have worked on (and have many more in mind, to complete the Karnataka-Kannada Picture) have been fully in my comfort zone as you put it. I can relate to these places, monuments as I have travelled to many of them. Among future topics Badami Chalukya architecture brings southern and northern styles together, Rashtrakuta architecture takes southern style to central India, Vijayanagara architecture brings all the southern styles together into one idiom. I will write in detail about Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri at some point to document the progress of Marathi literature along with Kannada and Sanskrit in northern Maharashtra. This has been a much disputed and vandalised page and needs its due. My progress to broader topics will perhaps be gradual. The last FA, Rashtrakuta Dynasty clearly discusses the impact of a southern empire on northern India. So I am in a way moving out of my locality into other zones. You are right, eventually we need to tie it up to India as a whole. The topics you mentioned are interesting and will be on my rader at some point.Thanks.Dineshkannambadi 11:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

History of India is a candidate for WP:ACID

Hi,

Did you know that the article History of India is a candidate for Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive (shortened to WP:ACID)? If you want it to be the article for the week (and perhaps get it to Featured Article status), perhaps you would want to go the page and vote. Thank you. Universe=atom^{•Talk•Contributions•} 14:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Karnataka FAC

Hello Blacksun,
The infobox image seems to be working fine now. Can you please check it again and see if you still have any issue? Thanks. Also, the Infosys image has been removed, per your suggestion. Only one or two sections like History where the amount of prose content covered is more, the number of images are 3, and in most of the sections it is either one or two, and a section or two without images. Overall, now there are 18 images from 18 sections. Please take a look. Thanks for your review and comments in FAC. If you have any other concerns or issues, please comment. Thank you! - KNM ^Talk 04:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

hello there!

Your views on the issues relating to the language prob are in resonance with mine, (I suppose). Even I fail to understand the need of official languages of each state on India page. KnowledgeHegemony 14:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

As far as I see it, it is nonsensical. Viva la France--Blacksun 01:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Seeking opinion from regular editors on reference pattern

References: Notes and citations section; change in reference and notes temporarily ceased; WP:FOOT says I am not doing wrong; Separate Notes and Citation sections

Opinion is sought from regular editors of the article Hinduism regarding the splitting of Notes and references section. This is a short gist of the discussions going on in the above mentioned talk links: Having a separate "Notes" (for explanatory remarks) and "Citations" (for direct citations), although permitted, is relatively rare in Wikipedia, and also in academic journals. The main rationale behind doing this is to distinguish a series of explanatory remarks from the series of citations (please see Rabindranath Tagore, Demosthenes for examples).

This sandbox gives a glimpse of how the article would look if we split the sections (the sandbox is under work, so may not be perfect). This link shows how the article looks with combined section. This may give an idea how it looked when I started working on references. I converted many references to Harvard format, apart from splitting the sections.

Opinion for regular editors are sought regarding the application of splitting of two section for this article. Please do so in Talk:Hinduism in the section Talk:Hinduism#Seeking_opinion_from_regular_editors_on_reference_pattern. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

featured topics

Hi Blacksun. Sorry for the late reply. Was in India for a few weeks on holiday. Your idea is good. I will look into it.Dineshkannambadi 13:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Please don't edit sub-page

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Please don't edit my sub-page, as I have repeatedly stated on the Talk:India page. It is still in the works and changes from day to day. If you have concerns, please leave a message on the talk page of that sub-page, as user:Ragib has done, for example. Be aware too, that if I am using certain words, it is because they are used in the literature. Not just one source, but many. Don't worry, given the potential for controversy in such a general article, I plan to source every sentence in the article. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 09:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I didn't realize that a section heading like: "Partition of Bengal, Swadeshi, and Terrorism," would be seen as connecting Swadeshi with terrorism. The text says distinctly, "two types of protest." Anyway, let me think about your point, because it will apply to most section titles. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 09:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fowler&fowler (talk • contribs)

Bounty on Hinduism

Hi Blacksun! I just saw the Talk:Hinduism page today and noticed your bounty will expire tomorrow! It is a shame that Hinduism hasn't returned to the FA status it deserves. In case you don't know, the next Hinduism article most likely to become FA is Ganesha, which is quite a wonderful article. Apart from a few minor issues, it is very close to being submitted at WP:FAC. Best wishes Gizza^{Discuss ©} 12:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Weigh in?

It would be great if you could weigh in here. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:How are you

Hi! I am going through some critical time. Where are you doing PhD? I am in USA now, and applying for residency. In New York at present. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 13:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

North Block

The North Block image has been taken from that site. it was cut in half and mirrored to get rid of the people. I dont think it should matter since the building is symetrical anyway. I also made it brighterandthen adjusted the contrast till it looked good. I can make it "unbright" if you'd like. Nikkul 16:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

But since the image is under the creative commons license, i am allowed to do whatever i like to it as long as i have it under the same license and as long as i mention the author. If you want, i can upload my image to my flickr account and then have a link from wiki to there and attribute it on my flickr page. Nikkul 23:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

If an image is under the license cc by sa, anything can be done to it legally as long as it is shared alike and attributed legally. I welcome you to edit it yourself if you think my efforts are bad but dont blame other people for trying while u do nothing yourself. It is his image. It is not like i've added another image to it at all. And are you telling me I lied to him? He DOES need to put that license for wiki to accept it. Nikkul 09:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

And by the way, he saw the image and said "thanks alot" so do not tell me that i did anything wrong. Nikkul 09:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I have changed the image so that it doesnt look "bad". I dont think there is any problem with this image and I think that it is much better than the south block image which is covered in pollution and shows the side of a building. Do tell me what specifically you find wrong after you have compared it with the original picture. Nikkul 19:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Why not use the original image? because the new one doesn't have people in it and its more professional and it looks the same. Nikkul 03:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:Bannver for Sabotage

I am afraid I don't understand what you mean. If you're trying to say that I am encouraging deconstructive edicts and vandalism in te India page, I would urge you to review WP:VANDAL, WP:BOLD and WP:BOLD and ask you to refrain you from making comments bordering on personal attacks. I would prefer to respond to constructive criticisms on my work, and if you have any, would be much appreciated.Rueben lys 23:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've said just now, I am saying this again, if you have any constructive criticism on my work, they would be much appreciated. I couldn't care less about your personal opinion on wether things need to be discussed on a talk page before being added to a wiki, as long as you do not clutter my talk page.Rueben lys 23:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there

Hi Blacksun, Don't let the Turkeys get you down. Remember they are drive-bys. Eventually they'll all disappear and go back to their other little obsessions. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

PS Don't know why Nichalp hasn't stepped in and done something yet.

Here is that original RfC from a long time ago (it seems now): RfC Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

And here is the Analysis and Summary of the February RfC Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Blacksun, What do you think about the idea of the Talk India text peer review that I set up earlier? I think, if nothing else, it might create something positive and if people see the improved sandbox-initiated edits, they might be more likely to use them. It would be great if you could weigh in on the talk page Talk India Text Peer Review. I feel that if we get enough volunteers and they begin to use it, it might just work. Please also see the peer review site that I've set up on WP:TITPR. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Replied on my talk page. Thanks for dropping by. Sarvagnya 09:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Happy Diwali

File:Diwalipuja.jpg

May this Diwali bring to you lots of Joy and Happy Moments. People in India celebrate Diwali and spread their wealth of Happiess among everyone in the world. Diwali starts with Dhanatrayodashi or Dhan teras and ends in India in all the states with Deva Diwali. Kindly feel free to use this template and Wish Diwali to Everyone. Kindly customize the template with your own creativity. To Re-use this template paste: {{User:BalanceRestored/diwali-template}}

BalanceΩrestored ^Talk 11:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Greetings

In doing some research, I came across the India article. You may be interested in this.[19] Maybe not. Peace. deeceevoice (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)