User talk:Bender235/2017 archive

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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/12/https-deployment-growing-leaps-and-bounds-2016-review Bgwhite (talk) 00:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Excellent. --bender235 (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: and I know who's next. --bender235 (talk) 17:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

World dominance is within reach!! I thought this link from the NY Times article was a good one. Bgwhite (talk) 18:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, very nice find. Even more entries for my bot's to-do list. --bender235 (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirection of list of state leaders in 2016 and list of state leaders in 2017 to list of state leaders in the 21st century

On 4 January Tahc redirected List of state leaders in 2016 and List of state leaders in 2017 to List of state leaders in the 21st century without any reason. Neither I, nor you, nor other contributors of these articles expressed the accord to these action which I consider abusive. Please sustain me in the action for annulment of this action,express your protest to TAHC and ask the reversion of redirections. Thank you Bogdan Uleia (talk)

What's the big deal? --bender235 (talk) 14:44, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Something wrong with the bot here

Your bot labeled both links as dead ([1]); however, I checked both links manually, and they still work. [2], [3] Fraenir (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

InternetArchiveBot is not my bot. --bender235 (talk) 13:12, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Anonymous request

Hey i want to ask you a question — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.126.254.241 (talk • contribs)

Go ahead. --bender235 (talk) 16:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC) -

I found your article about Donald Trump to be very good and I enjoyed reading it however I noticed on the section where you talk about President Trump's cabinet you forgot to update it to say that Sonny Perdue is his designee to Secretary of Agriculture. Thanks for taking the time to read this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.255.196.192 (talk • contribs)

I don't remember writing anything about Trump's cabinet. --bender235 (talk) 13:56, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:ESPNRISE 2000s All-Decade boys basketball team

Template:ESPNRISE 2000s All-Decade boys basketball team has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. –HTD 07:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Your BRFA

Hello Bender235, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Bender the Bot 6 has been approved. Happy editing, — xaosflux ^Talk 03:35, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Won't take long to finish. --bender235 (talk) 18:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC Notice

There is a Request for Comment posted at Talk:New York Daily News#Request for Comment. You are being notified as one of every registered editor who has edited that article in that past year. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Strange bot behavior

I notice that Bender the Bot is adding external links to small village articles with no pre-existing "External link" section. I've checked a few of these links, all to Flickr, and they all return an error message saying that no such place as the village exists. Please see Nelson, Oregon, for example. This seems counterproductive to me, but I thought I'd check with you to ask whether you want the bot to be doing this. Finetooth (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

You mean this? The bot didn't add any link, it merely converted HTTP→HTTPS. Links that were dead before the conversion obviously are afterwards, too. It's beyond the purpose (and functionality) of this bot to check whether the links are still live. --bender235 (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I see that the Nelson problem originated with an edit in 2014. Definitely not the bot's fault. Finetooth (talk) 23:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Relevant content reverted St. Vincent (musician)

I think your call to revert === Guitar Builder: Anti-Sexist Innovator === its wrong. Can't see why you found the tone promotional as the edit is well referenced with relevant sources. All editors should engage in fighting the gender gap and preventing systemic bias in wikipedia and reverting relevant women-centred content is not precisely helping in my opinion. Please reflect on those issues before reverting relevant content and please undo the reversion. (((Liquen))) (talk) 22:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

[4]

I didn't revert anything. My bot's name was mentioned in the edit summary, that's all. --bender235 (talk) 23:31, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

February 2017 at Women in Red

February 2017
	Black Women & Women Anthropologists online editathons Faciliated by Women in Red

(To subscribe, Women in Red/Invite list. Unsubscribe, Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Ipigott (talk) 14:34, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Not exactly a topic I'm familiar with. --bender235 (talk) 16:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Your BRFA

Your BRFA, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Bender the Bot 7 has been approved for an 1000 edit extended trial. — xaosflux ^Talk 20:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Alright, I'll report the results tomorrow. --bender235 (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

http vs https

• https://www.httpvshttps.com

Bgwhite (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. So the "but HTTPS is slower" argument is finally out of the window. --bender235 (talk) 04:43, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Your BRFA

Your BRFA, Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Bender the Bot 7 has been approved - with an initial ramp up schedule - please see the BRFA for start up restrictions. Happy editing, — xaosflux ^Talk 16:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Why?

Hi, Bender235. Can you please explain to me why you are changing URLs in the HTTP space to HTTPS? I can see a bunch of articles on your user page but nothing to explain your reasoning in your own words. Also I apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding. This edit struck me as unnecessary because The New York Times is accessible by HTTP. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:24, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure. In general, HTTPS is more secure but I guess the bot page already explains that. As for the New York Times in particular: last month they announced they will migrate their whole website to HTTPS. As of today some pages still bounce back to HTTP, but (a) this is temporary and (b) the HTTPS link still gives them some benefit even today, because HTTP Referer information is only passed from HTTPS to HTTPS, not HTTPS to HTTP (Wikipedia is HTTPS-only, as you probably know). So converting these links also gives them the additional information of where they are being link from (we had a request by Newspapers.com not too long ago asking to convert their links for the same reason). --bender235 (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

That announcement is good enough for me. I restored your bot's edit. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Night of The Living Dead

I have deleted your edit from the Night of The Living Dead edit as it appears to be non-constructive. Neither the character Barbra, nor her brother Johnny are ever referred to by a surname and there is no listing for one in the credits, nor in the shooting script. (Sellpink (talk) 20:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC))

Fine with me. Just for the record: I didn't edit anything on that article. --bender235 (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Paul Thomas Anderson

Why did you remove my edit?? I quoted the source correctly and it's an interesting information! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.20.186.9 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

I did not remove your edit, User:TheOldJacobite did. --bender235 (talk) 17:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

What are we talking about? What edit did I remove? ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 17:20, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

You reverted 87.20.186.9's edit on Paul Thomas Anderson. --bender235 (talk) 19:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The Heart Beats

Any chance you could put the girls photo on the page? Jerry Burleson (talk) 01:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

What? --bender235 (talk) 02:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Josiah Vavasseur

Hi Bender235. Your bot has changed the link to New York Times in the Josiah Vavasseur article. The link worked before (on my screen), but it does not work now. Care to look into the matter and maybe revert your bot's action? Cheers --Rsteen (talk) 15:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I'll look into it. --bender235 (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Antique Woodworking Tools

The New York Times link on this page ought to be prefixed with http and not https: New York Times article. If you key in https it reverts to http. There does not seem to be a need to have altered it. Can you shed light on the matter? Thank you Sedicesimo (talk) 16:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

As NYT announced, HTTPS support for their website will be gradually expanded. As of today, pre-2014 articles are redirected to HTTP. Still we should convert those links, because HTTP Referrer information is only passed from HTTPS to HTTPS, not HTTPS to HTTP. --bender235 (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I see. Many thanks. Sedicesimo (talk) 17:49, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Bite my shiny metal HTTPS!

Hehe, great work with this. Love seeing Bender crop up on my watchlist. Taking your username from a cartoon. I'd never do that. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 09:20, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I picked the name ages ago, now I'm stuck with it. Could've been worse. ;) --bender235 (talk) 13:43, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

I think that replacing HTTP by HTTPS is an important work. Thanks for doing it.--200.223.199.146 (talk) 11:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Alabama State Troopers

Hey Bender, just wanted to give you a heads up. I was helping my stepson recently with a report on the Alabama State Troopers and found your article very helpful. However, the picture of the badge you have is no longer the badge the troopers wear. I've included a link to the new badge but if the link is no good, it's not hard to find. It basically says the same thing it's just in the shape of the state of Alabama. Thanks, T.M. http://www.alea.gov/Home/wfContent.aspx?ID=4&PLH1=plhAbout-Home — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.49.152.250 (talk) 05:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't remember writing anything on Alabama State Troopers. --bender235 (talk) 16:03, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Adam Stone

You need to tag the article on Adam Stone with the template from AfD, which I do not know a could way to transpose onto your talk page. I would do it but some people feel I have put too many of those on articles, so I will just try and make it so you know how. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion is a very helpful page, if at times intimadatingly long. I have been editing since 2006, but probably didn't nominate for deletion until 2010 at the earliest, maybe later than that. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my talk page. I will try to help as best I can.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:58, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• Sorry, I guess putting the template here to show you what to do created a mess. I think I fixed it now. Sorry for any confusion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't quite follow. --bender235 (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

He wants to let you know that, when proposing an article for deletion like you did here, you should follow WP:AFDHOW (which, btw, I as non-enwiki-native don’t understand sufficiently), especially asking you to add the notice template (which he first added here, because he forgot a nowiki tag) to the article.

@Johnpacklambert: Doesn’t seem to make a differene who adds this template (if there would be a difference, it’s just the username, which you can simply change), so you could add the template yourself, since you seem to know which one to place where :-) --nenntmichruhigip (Diskussion) 20:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I did add the AfD template. See version history. --bender235 (talk) 20:55, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Jabrill Peppers

Not sure why users keep reverting Jabrill Peppers' height. He's clearly not 6'1. Just because Michigan listed his height incorrectly, it does not make it a fact. Seems Wikipedia should be looking more to report the truth, than what's listed incorrectly on a college site. History shows they always fudge players' sizes. Peppers wasn't 6'1 at Michigan, and he's not 6'1 now... unless he miraculously shrank at the combine.Cdman882 (talk) 23:21, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not include what is true, but what is verified. If Michigan lists him as 6-1, we list him as 6-1 in his college football player infobox. The NFL will list him as 5-11, so we list him as 5-11 in his NFL player infobox. It's as simple as that. --bender235 (talk) 23:24, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Regardless, he is 5'11. Cdman882 (talk) 23:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

And that HAS been written about by reliable sources (aka verified). In other words, Michigan's bio is not a reliable source, as they are known to stretch the truth, as are most college sports programs. Cdman882 (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Again, no. We use college bio as sources for infobox height and weight. Simply to avoid this kind of nonsense. Just wait until the draft, then the NFL infobox will reflect the combine measurements. --bender235 (talk) 03:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

What nonsense? The truth? Or, in the case of Michigan's obvious failure to report it, the lack of truth. We're essentially quoting a piece of information for which we know is false. I played sports my whole life, college basketball, as a matter of fact, and I faced many players who were clearly misrepresented by their school bio. It's well known that they fudge the numbers. You see it at the NFL combine every year. I could understand not wanting to report personal research from every Tom, Dick, or Harry, but a piece of information from the NFL combine is well sourced. By putting up false information, you are stating that you believed that when he was in college at Michigan he was 6'1 and he has now shrunk to 5'11. They clearly didn't care to report the truth. The article should strive to have the truth. When a piece of information comes along that disproves what is on the article, it should be fixed, not adhere to some arbitrary "infobox." Cdman882 (talk) 05:03, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

90% of the players at the NFL Combine are measured different heights and/or weights than is reported on their college website. Still, we leave the college football player infobox untouched, because the data in there reflects the college website. We have always done so. Similarly, we have always used NFL.com data to fill the NFL player infoboxes, even if they conflict with Combine measurements or any other "reliable" data. It's just a matter of convenience. --bender235 (talk) 14:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I guess it gives you something to look at. Even if it's not accurate. You've clearly spent more time looking at this than I have. Cdman882 (talk) 03:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I have to hand it to you Bender235, you're very diligent in your reversion of those height/weight edits. I'm glad we have a crack guy like you on the case. Cdman882 (talk) 16:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm just going by the rules. --bender235 (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I understand. Am I completely on board with the line of thinking? Not really. Though, I see where you're coming from. Cdman882 (talk) 18:15, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Request for Creating Page

Hi, Pertaining to the list of video games that you have created, I wish to create an article on a "1916: der Unbekannte Krieg", as listed therein. I don't really know whether or not I needed your permission (forgive me if I look stupid), so I had to ask. Thank you -- BulbAtop (talk) 13:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't remember creating a list of video games, so I'm not sure which article you are referring to. In either case, you can always create a new article yourself. Anyone can. --bender235 (talk) 13:59, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

my advisors pge

Dude, why do you keep undoing my changes? These are legitimate changes that I am making to professor lists page. These exact same words are on many economists pages. Why re you targeting him? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.9.110.7 (talk) 06:29, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:PEACOCK. We do not need this puffery about Nobel Prize speculations etc. As for your own part in this charade, have a look at WP:AUTOBIO. What institution you work at right now, or where you about to place, has nothing to do with the John List article. --bender235 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I am back to write about my advisor. I have now researched many prominent economists pages and they are identical to my Professors in what they say. Check out Acemoglu, Laibson, Mankiw, etc. You are being rude and distasteful by deleting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.68.128.162 (talk) 04:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Again, you still not understand how Wikipedia works. Your advisor's WP article is not an extension of your personal CV. We do not include unnecessary fluff like that Nobel Prize rumor just so you can feel better about yourself. --bender235 (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

BRFA8

Hey there, thanks for this task. One request: when the current run (Bloomberg, WSJ, etc) is over, can you do all the remaining outlets on the Secure The News list at once? Obviously the bot's successive https conversions are often to the same articles, and it's been a large presence in my watchlist for awhile now, it'd be great to minimize the disruption. Thanks again!— TAnthony^Talk 16:01, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to combine the tasks from now on. But you have to remember the "Secure The News" list is a moving target. --bender235 (talk) 16:11, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

issue with urls

i had to undo your edit on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Criticism_of_Dish_Network&oldid=770074348 as it removed the online part witch is required for the url to work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.52.13.15 (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, actually the link is dead both ways. --bender235 (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Access Industries -- the bot seems to have killed the link by replacing 'online' with 'www'

See this bot edit of March 13 at Access Industries. The updated version of the page is here, and please note that the Ethan Smith reference (#1) is now a dead link. Unclear why changing 'online.wsj.com' to 'www.wsj.com' would always be a safe operation. The 'online' to 'www' change isn't mentioned in BRFA 8. I repaired the link manually in the latest version. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, true. I fixed that. --bender235 (talk) 16:32, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

YouTube failing WP:V

Hi Bender235, your bot reverted the ref I added about words said by Michael Greger during a talk. Wikipedia:YTCOPYRIGHT actually talks about YouTube and making sure that the cited material doesn't violate copyright. The RedBurn (ϕ) 18:17, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

My bot didn't revert anything. User:Alexbrn did. --bender235 (talk) 18:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, I read wrong. The RedBurn (ϕ) 08:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

WSJ links broken by your bot

WSJ links were broken by your bot's edit, see Talk:Samsung/Archive 2#Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2017. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Werner Maihofer

Hello Bender235. I see that you added some short info back in 2009 about this former deutsche minister as a speed skater but I can't seem to find any speed skating results for him. Do you know of any such thing ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 15:31, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello again. If my sources are correct (see page 246) it looks like he was part of the figure skating squad for the same olympics mentioned, but did not participate with results in the 1936 Winter Olympics in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, or do you have other sources ? Best regards Migrant (talk) 16:42, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, the source the information came from I added. --bender235 (talk) 16:46, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Ali-Illahism

An article that you have been involved in editing—Ali-Illahism—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. MiguelMadeira (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

--MiguelMadeira (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

"Nader El-Bizri" article for your attention!

Dear Bender235, based on your technical knowledge and your role as a Grand Master editor with knowledge in philosophy, I wanted to bring an urgent matter to your attention: It seems that I caused some confusions around the Wikipedia entry "Nader El-Bizri" when I first un-did an edit with tags and then contacted the Wikipedia NoticeBoard & Miscellaneous Queries about it without knowing that a casual editor like me should not do so! Tags were placed on the entry and even some suggested that it should be deleted altogether, or that it was copied from the website of a school in Lebanon even though this Wikipedia entry dates back to 2008, and it is clear that it was Mirrored by the school and not the other way round. Some editors might have acted in haste but with the good intention of protecting the entry from vandalism. This Wikipedia article received over 359 edits since 2008, and it has numerous links across Wikipedia and to many reputable external websites as well. I am just bringing this to your attention since maybe my unintentional confusions with my casual edits caused all of these editorial issues, and I do not want that my casual edits result in harm to the reputation of the actual living person who is covered by the article, and who based on the various Google searches has a broad public persona of notability. I have been dismissed by the editors who hold usernames since I am not registered via Wikipedia and I only casually edit here and there when I can. I hope you do not mind me bringing this matter to your attention... I have understood now that as a casual editor I am not allowed to make edits or contribute as such to talk pages unless I am fully registered with Wikipedia (or at least this is what has been conveyed to me through the talk pages by some users). Thank you for your consideration of this matter since I feel partly responsible for some of this editorial confusion and I feel I should not longer make edits... Thank you 2A02:C7D:36C6:8300:DCDF:6069:402F:B06 (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Request for help

Bender, I see that in the past you have helped with the Ellis Paul article. I am trying to resolve a dispute regarding the article and am hoping you will lend support on the Talk:Ellis Paul page by offering a Third Party Opinion. In a nutshell, another editor removed a sound sample box that has been part of the article for 10 years. I would like to have a consensus to be able to add the sound sample back. I would appreciate your support. Thank you for your time and consideration. Kmzundel (talk) 11:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Todd Heap

I would change the information you added on Todd Heap to,say he has five children and then explain that one is deceased. Just because the child tragically died yesterday doesn't mean they now only have four children. They will always have five children. Please change this. Gkuche (talk) 18:50, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

The only thing I changed was adding his high school to the player infobox. I did not changed any family information. --bender235 (talk) 19:19, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

if you changed the page to what you think it should be then why are you keeping the coi? makes no sense

if you changed the page to what you think it should be then why are you keeping the coi? makes no sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.44.7.9 (talk) 04:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

There's still too much puffery and peacockery in that article. --bender235 (talk) 16:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposal for a page

Dear Bender235,

As previously you have contributed to Wikipedia in regards to financial articles, would you, please, consider writing an article on Creamfinance? It is a global financial services company that provides personal finance products in emerging markets. The company was ranked as the second fastest-growing company in Europe in 2016. Creamfinance is employing over 220 people and operating in 7 countries both within and outside of Europe – Latvia, Poland, Czech Republic, Georgia, Denmark and Mexico with an IT office in Austria.

I believe it corresponds to the Wikipedia notability rules as it has been talked about in legitimate third party sources:

If you wish I have put together a first draft for the page and can send it you.

According to Wikipedia guidelines I want to underline that I am a Project Manager at Golin Riga and I have been approached by Creamfinance to help with their representation on Wikipedia. Aozolins-golin-riga (talk) 09:01, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this to me sounds too much like WP:SOAPBOX. --bender235 (talk) 12:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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Pyramids

I have no idea if this will leave you a message or not. I saw you edited the page on how the pyramids were built. I would like my favorite theory added to the wiki page. Android Beetles built the pyramids. Like a ant hill. A tunnel to surface humans and animals from the terroforming of earth.there is infinite amounts of other planets, there are uncountable planets with humans and all of them have pyramids built by our fore-mothers and technology. The Pyramids were built by beetles creating tunnels to the surfaces providing humans with the caverns to populate and cultivate earth_<3. Every year the Nile floods and ergo tradition to sail the world within a ark full of animals, humans discover the planet. Egyptian Gods are depicted as humanoid animal android robots origin Asimov's Laws. Our ancestors shared humanity through out the Galaxy to every solar system sustainable to life. The extinction of dinosaurs a Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event. Breath a vision of your own future. Www.etsy.com/shop/szmy

108.161.121.189 (talk) 01:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)STACEY8SZMY

I'm not quite sure why you are writing this to me. Also, please have a look at WP:FRINGE. --bender235 (talk) 15:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Benderbot changing http to https breaks link

I noticed that [5] and [6] broke working links. The https link goes to a WSJ login page, at least for me. I think you should be aware of this. Sjö (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware. This particular change is no longer done. --bender235 (talk) 06:04, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Precious four years!

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

my article draft

Hi! You seem like a helpful sort. Could you please take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sad_Lil_Artsy_Guy/drafts/Shawne_Major and tell me if you think it's reasonable to move it into mainspace at this time? Thank you! Call me SLAG. 17:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

The article itself is in good shape, but I'm not so sure it meets WP:ATHLETE. --bender235 (talk) 07:41, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I found WP:ARTIST. Call me SLAG. 07:15, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Bender-the-Bot switches equal sign to greater-than ">"

25 June 2017: Several pages have "url >http" rather than "url= http" after User:Bender_the_Bot has edited a page. See: dif624 from 15:14, 24 June 2017 in "Cannabis in Saudi Arabia" or dif072 from 06:35, 25 June 2017. Please stop it. -Wikid77 (talk) 00:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh crap. Thanks for telling me. My mistake. --bender235 (talk) 04:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Fixed it all manually. --bender235 (talk) 06:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

BON notification

Hello Bender235, there is currently a discussion open regarding one of your bot tasks at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#HTTP.E2.86.92HTTPS. Please see and comment on the discussion. Thank you, — xaosflux ^Talk 21:01, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

ITN candidates - NK ICBM test

Hi Bender235. Did you actually make this removal while logged out? I think it might be helpful if you clarified in some way at that page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

No, that wasn't me. I'm still logged in. And I'm not in Columbus, Indiana. [7] --bender235 (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. So looks like a mistake or not so subtle vandalism, then? You might like to restore your Support comment? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Done. --bender235 (talk) 14:39, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

https→http

Thank you for https→http on query.nytimes.com subdomain. Vzeebjtf (talk) 05:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't understand. --bender235 (talk) 05:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

I thought you reversed the earlier change http→https on the subdomain because of the problem opening those urls. Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

I could do it. But I wasn't sure if that was the consensus. --bender235 (talk) 07:30, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

My mistake. All the references at that subdomain on the page Wallack's Theatre are sans s, although the history shows you made a change for The New York Times at 08:29, 20 February 2017‎. But evidently you never made the change for the subdomain. So my difficulties must have been on some other pages, but I don't remember where. Vzeebjtf (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Converting dfb.de to HTTPS

Do you think you could have your bot to convert links from "http://www.dfb.de" to "https://www.dfb.de"? The site seems to have converted to HTTPS, leaving some of the URLs broken. Would be much appreciated, thanks! S.A. Julio (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Will convert. --bender235 (talk) 07:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Formations(Group Theory) that you worked on, disambig

Hi, I was only able to redlink the article on the disambig page for Formation. Do you know how to make it a real link? thanks, 2601:190:4200:5F8:5EB:7097:E604:2B1 (talk) 19:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Bender the Bot

Just wanted to thank you for your Bender the Bot. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Appreciated. --bender235 (talk) 07:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Why did you shorten the information?

So the last time I checked the list of the tallest skyscrapers some skyscrapers were removed from the list,the list before include buildings 300+ metres but now it is only 350+ metres? Why did this robot remove useful bytes? Ruskiguy (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

This BOT does not remove information. --bender235 (talk) 07:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Wall Street Journal links broken after bot edits

Hey! First off, as a security-minded person, I really appreciate that there are bots on Wikipedia that can change HTTP -> HTTPS. However, when Bender the Bot did so for links from The Wall Street Journal, it actually broke links. I took part in a lengthy discussion here, concerning incorrect information here. Long story made short: The bot changes the links in an incorrect manner, breaking them. I have examples. The bot made this edit. A user made an edit request here, with the info that "They're now dead links that redirect to nothing but login pages instead of the articles". I am a subscriber of the Journal, and this is true. After logging in, the links lead to error pages. The original links work perfectly. I'm assuming this has happened to all WSJ links that previously used the HTTP format. I don't know anything about how bots work on wiki, but I want to ask (no dumb questions, right? ;)) if it is possible to revert the changes? LocalNet (talk) 11:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. It's somewhat tricky to revert all these changes automatically, and also it's weird that this link

https://www.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575267603576594936.html

doesn't work, but the old link

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704026204575267603576594936.html

simply redirects to

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704026204575267603576594936

I think a better way than reverting the original edits would be to have a bot replacing /article/ with /articles/, and removing .html from the end of the new URL. --bender235 (talk) 11:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Tom.Reding, Unready, SiBr4, and Solar Dragon: could someone with more RegEx knowledge than I have please help me out with this replacement rule? --bender235 (talk) 11:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm unavailable atm but will check back in on his in about a week!   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

(https:\/\/www\.wsg\.com\/article)(\/[A-Z0-9,]*)\.html → \1s\2 in javascript. or (https:\/\/www\.wsg\.com\/article)(\/[A-Z0-9,]*)\.html → $1s$2 in perl. by the way this search and this search may be helpful in finding all of them. Frietjes (talk) 15:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I have the bot running in no time. --bender235 (talk) 05:25, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you please take care of the https://online.wsj.com links you added, which are also broken, as well? 111.83.79.239 (talk) 03:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

I'll have a look. --bender235 (talk) 04:14, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Should be finished. --bender235 (talk) 06:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

You forgot to remove the ".HTML" after every URL. 2001:16A2:89B8:8400:A52C:BD6E:D8FF:DB4D (talk) 23:08, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

No, I did exactly that. That's what Frietjes's RegEx above was for. Did you find an instance where it didn't work? --bender235 (talk) 05:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

This. I fixed it. 1.186.171.114 (talk) 22:20, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I did that manually. Thanks for fixing. --bender235 (talk) 06:01, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Can you also fix all the links in this search and the rest of them at this search please? 70.80.61.53 (talk) 04:59, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Already did that. Those links that are left are not in article namespace. --bender235 (talk) 05:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the "online.wsj.com/article" links, I'm just talking about the "online.wsj.com/news/articles" ones and the rest of the "online.wsj.com" ones that you touched and damaged. I just linked to the searches of them. 70.80.61.53 (talk) 05:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I'll take a lot. --bender235 (talk) 06:16, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Did you look at both searches yet? 200.84.150.69 (talk) 15:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I had a look. I will take care of this in a bit. --bender235 (talk) 17:01, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Bayesian information criterion

This is by far the most common name used in the professional statistical literature. I have reverted your change, for that reason. Wikipedia must follow the statistical literature. BetterMath (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

The name "BIC" is more common when model criteria are just being used rather than explicitly discussed. Statisticians are aware of the fact that calling this criterion "information criterion" is misleading because it has nothing to do with information theory (notice that the original paper does not call it "information criterion" for that very reason). Rather than going with a commonly used but wrong name, we should go with the correct one. --bender235 (talk) 17:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

You say that "Rather than going with a commonly used but wrong name, we should go with the correct one". That is false and misleading. Wikipedia must abide by the statistical literature. No Wikipedia editor can override a consensus of professional statisticians on the name. BetterMath (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Don't confuse finding consensus with a headcount of which term is mentioned most. Statistical textbook literature is very clear on not to call Schwarz's criterion "information criterion." They call it SC or SBC (Schwarz-Bayesian criterion). --bender235 (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I have many statistics books that use Bayesian Information Criterion and I do not think I have any that use Schwarz Criterion as the primary name. In the peer-reviewed literature, it is common to have tables that display "AIC" and "BIC"; I do not recall seeing any that used "SC" or similar. Additionally, R has BIC built in. BIC is far more commonly used that Schwarz Criterion. Whether that is appropriate is not for a Wikipedia editor to judge. BetterMath (talk) 18:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the peer-reviewed literature that merely applies model selection criteria adopted the misleading name "BIC". Articles and textbooks that actually discuss model selection criteria always mention that BIC is a misleading name. --bender235 (talk) 05:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You acknowledge that BIC is the name used in statistical literature. That closes the case, as far as Wikipedia is concerned. If you want Wikipedia to not use BIC, then you should persuade statisticians to stop using it. There is lots of lousy terminology in statistics and mathematics (e.g. an orthogonal matrix should be called an "orthonormal matrix"). A Wikipedia editor does not have authority to change this. BetterMath (talk) 08:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Since we won't agree, I took it to the article's talk page. --bender235 (talk) 07:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Separately, and a minor technical point, BIC is Bayesian. Also, I think it would be good to include a paragraph, in the article, explaining why BIC has been argued to be not truly based on information theory. BetterMath (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I didn't doubt that Schwarz derived his criterion from Bayesian principles. But it has nothing to do with information theory. Schwarz didn't claim it did, and neither should we. --bender235 (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

The way to address this is to include an explanation, in the article, of how/why it is not derived via information theory. BetterMath (talk) 18:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

In an edit to the article that you made today, the edit summary claims that BIC is "not Bayesian". BetterMath (talk) 21:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Oh, that was about the category Category:Bayesian inference. BIC or whatever you want to call it does not use the entire posterior (compared to WAIC for instance), so it is inherently not part of Bayesian inference. --bender235 (talk) 05:43, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

BIC is based on a first-order approximation to Bayes factor: see Kass & Raftery [JASA, 1995]. Ergo, it is part of Bayesian inference. BetterMath (talk) 08:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Point taken. Interestingly enough though, this paper (although using the "BIC" abbreviation) calls it "Schwarz criterion". --bender235 (talk) 06:26, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Name added

Hello Bender235! How can I get my name added to the section of notable people added? I'm a former tennis professional and coach to Pete Peterson and with Hall of Famer Dennis Ralston, a media entrepreneur and on air personality for radio and TV. Interviews include: Venus Williams, Mike Ditka, Bill Davis, Governor Hickenlooper, Senator Michael Bennett, Troy Calhoun-Air Force Head Coach, 40+ US Olympians, Chris Harris Jr - Denver Broncos, LaTroy Hawkins-Colorado Rockies and many more. I was raised and completed high school at Barron Collier High School in Naples from1982-86 then on to pro tennis after Ole Miss, and NCAA collegiate Coach at the University of Colorado Colorado Springs. Loved in Naples at 13 Cocohatchee BV and in Naples from 1978-1990. Can you assist me with this? Many thanks. COMedia (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2017 (UTC)COMedia (talk) 16:56, 5 August 2017 (UTC)COMedia (talk) 16:54, 5 August 2017 (UTC)COMedia (talk) 16:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by COMedia (talk • contribs) 16:38, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, anyone can edit. --bender235 (talk) 06:29, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Roman vs italic for differentials

Hi, regarding my undoing of your edits to Logarithm, please see MOS:MATH#Roman versus italic and MOS:RETAIN. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm aware of this. What trumps MOS:RETAIN though is consistency throughout the article. Either use $dx$ or $\mathrm {d} x$, but not both in the same article. So if you revert my changes, please change the remaining ones to make the article consistent. Thanks. --bender235 (talk) 12:53, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

 Ok, done. - DVdm (talk) 12:55, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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Vernon Jarrett

I left a (lengthy) message about my findings for both the name and birth year on the Talk: Vernon Jarrett page. →Lwalt ^♦ talk 10:05, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

United States Code

Can you help me edit United States Code? I tried to fix the table of titles to adjust for changes made on Sept. 1, 2017 concerning title 34 but title 35 looks kind of weird now. 21:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)700jn (talk

I'll have a look. --bender235 (talk) 13:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

List of Atlantic hurricane records

@Bender235: Hello, I was just wondering why you reverted this edit, claiming that it is wrong, without further explanation? The subunit for hours actually can be listed as a decimal, and is by the NHC: [8] --Undescribed (talk) 17:49, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I can be done, but it is uncommon and not easy to understand for the average person. I mean, we could also write "2017.6849" (day 250 of 365) instead of "Sep 7, 2017". It would be mathematically correct, but hard to understand. The natural subunits of "year" are "month" and "day", just like the subunits of "day" are "hour" and "minute", not "0.1 day" and "0.01 day". --bender235 (talk) 22:42, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Your edit

Notice, that you should wait until the RFC has commenced, and judgment in regards to the outcome should be done by someone uninvolved. Consensus is not just done per counting votes. prokaryotes (talk) 17:58, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I did not count votes, I looked at the arguments. Unfortunately you created a frenzy by painting this as a "climate change denialism" debate (see the comments on the "Keep" votes), when it is in fact merely about what is within the scope of a particular article topic. --bender235 (talk) 18:18, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

I've asked you September 7, why you argued that there is a bogus claim? Can you cite the content which in your opinion is a bogus claim? prokaryotes (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Wait, I have to find a WP:RS that proves how you misunderstand scientific literature? How about you find me a peer-reviewed article first that attributes Hurricane Irma (or any particular hurricane, for that matter) to global warming? I'm beginning to doubt you even understand the statistical concept of expectation.

Climate change affects long-run patterns, not individual storms. Hence the topic should be elaborated on in Atlantic hurricane season, but not in every friggin' single hurricane article. Why is that so hard to understand? --bender235 (talk) 20:03, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Dave Donaldson (2017 John Bates Clark Medal winner)

I was recently surprised to see that Dave Donaldson, 2017's John Bates Clark Medal winner, did not have a Wiki page. I drafted a simple one Draft:Dave_Donaldson_(economist) based largely on my knowledge of his work, using the Yuliy Sannikov (the 2016 recipient) entry as a template, and citing the Clark Medal announcements in the NYT and The Economist.

As a novice at this I submitted a draft to see if it was adequate for posting. But the draft was declined, not for technical content, but because the references do not show the subject's notability. It leaves me to question whether this reviewer is aware of the Clark Medal's significance.

It appears that you contributed to (and maybe submitted) the Sannikov entry soon after he won his Clark Medal, so I suspect you are aware of its significance. I do not know the Wikipedia culture well enough to know if this is appropriate, so I ask you to judge if it is worth posting, and whether you are comfortable posting it.

Jack molyneaux (talk) 22:54, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Easily notable, moved to main space. --bender235 (talk) 23:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

HTTPS links: comprehensive source of domains to convert?

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Paul Ackerman

I didn’t put the citation there. If it is incorrect, that is not my fault. I removed the tag because it was obviously not necessary on face value because a reference was right next to it. But since you deleted the reference then yes, your tag is valid. Perhaps you should take this discussion to the person that put the referthere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postcard Cathy (talk • contribs) 15:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I will consider. --bender235 (talk) 22:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Multiple colleges in NFL player infoboxes

Hello, you have once (no edit summary) and again ("we only list what NFL.com lists.") removed long-standing content from the Corey Dillon article.

As noted in my edit summary, multiple college are explicitly supported. The Template:Infobox NFL biography documentation states:

• college - used to display the university or college institution that the player attended prior to joining the NFL. If a player attended multiple colleges, usually only the last college team is displayed (usually the one listed on NFL.com); however, if important to understanding a player's college career history, an additional college team may be included. College teams should be wikilinked.

which was updated via this edit: [Revision as of 18:15, 27 August 2015 - Dirtlawyer1]

That update arose from the discussion at Including "all" colleges attended in Infobox? dating to 13 August 2015. The topic has been revisited at NFL biography infobox and similar.

As the documentation and our consensus do not align with your stated view, the article has again been reverted to its long-standing format. Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Actually the infobox guidelines are pretty clear on that. So please establish (i) why we should divert from what is listed on Dillon's NFL.com profile, and (ii) why including Dillon's freshman year at Garden City CC is "important" but his sophomore year at Dixie State is not. If you are able to do that, we can make an exception to the NFL infobox general rule of displaying "only the last college team" as it clearly says. Thank you. --bender235 (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:47, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow, thank you. Likewise. --bender235 (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

addition of John Matthew Cannella as a notable in the article for William L. Dickinson High School

This edit added John Matthew Cannella as a notable in the article for William L. Dickinson High School. Cannella may very well have attended the school, but there was no source added here and no source in his article, nor did the one source in his article mention the high school he had attended. If you have a source, why not add it? If you don't have a source to connect him to the school, why add the entry? Alansohn (talk) 22:01, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

My apologies. I somehow reverted the edit you made that had added the source, which as an archive would not have come up in a Google search. My thanks for your adding the source and my sincere apologies for the deletion. Alansohn (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

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Ray Hanken

Where did you find Ray Hanken's deathplace? Thanks. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 05:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

PFR has it listed (with a typo, unfortunately), and Find a Grave has his burial site correctly in Virginia. --bender235 (talk) 19:22, 31 December 2017 (UTC)