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January 2013 - December 2013


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Acta Geotechnica Slovenica

Hello. Thanks for taking care of the DAB problem - changing Ei to Engineering Index. With the other two recently created academic journal articles I also created Acta Geotechnica Slovenica. This is because I noticed it on a Google page with Acta Geotechnica.

Interestingly, I am noticing that Acta Geotechnica Slovenica appears to be notable, on par with Acta Geotechnica. I am wondering if Acta Geotechnica Slovenica should also be included in the list of List of engineering journals and magazines (under the section "Mining engineering"). ---- Steve Quinn (talk) 06:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thirty-four months ago you commented on a poorly sourced article on Jami Floyd at AFD. While I am in full agreement that the deleted version contained only one deadlink as a source and her awards were not explained, expanded, nor themselves sourced... I felt back then that issues were addressable under WP:ANYBIO and WP:ENT. Sorry to say, and still feeling the issues were addressable, it took me until now to actually get to improving it (with help). I'd much appreciate your looking at User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Jami Floyd to see if your concerns from 3 years ago have finally been addressed to the point where we might finally have something to serve the project and its readers. Thanks, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Guaviare department

Sorry for not using citation, have been so stressed at the moment that I forgot to put the source, but got all the information both population and area of all Colombian Departments. The source I used is: [1]. In the source it states that the Guaviare department and Vaupés department area's are 42,327km2 and 65,268km2 respectively.

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Geology of Europe

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Joshua tree

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Photos as references

Hi Bejnar, I'm curious how photos can be used as references except under extraordinary circumstances. Even a photo from a reliable source requires interpretation of some kind, which is almost invariably WP:Original research. We need to rely on an expert's interpretation of the photo, which should be provided in the text accompanying the photo. In the case of sandfalls in Antelope Canyon, we might have a photo from a reliable source of sand falling in the canyon, but that doesn't support the claim that the phenomenon is called "sandfall", nor does it provide any evidence about the frequency or rarity of the phenomenon. Pburka (talk) 16:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

The key is with proper provenance. That means that we know that the image is not altered, that it in fact shows what it purports to show, all the stuff that is often included in the caption. The caption alone may not be adequate, but, coupled with the photo, may be a reliable source for things like double and triple rainbows, litmus behaviour, anything involving color, the size of villages, all sorts of things. --Bejnar (talk) 16:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I'm willing to agree to that, as long as we're treating the caption as the authoritative interpretation of the photo. Pburka (talk)
The caption may not contain any interpretation of the contents of the photo, it may be just descriptive of the time and place of occurrence, and other such labels, and be from a reliable source. The caption and the photo go together. --Bejnar (talk) 16:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Without an interpretation in the caption, how can you draw conclusions from the image without conducting original research? Pburka (talk) 16:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
In that sense, How can you read a sentence without conducting original research? Read the prohibition on WP:OR, it is about putting the editor's OR in the article, not about a reader's thought processes. --Bejnar (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Fair point, but I think interpretation of images must be done with great caution. They're of very limited utility as they represent a single instance in time and space. Drawing generalizations from a photo would be risky. Pburka (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Again, it depends upon what the photo is showing. Science depends upon repeatability. However a photo that shows a town on the left bank of a river, and the riverflow direction is shown by rapids, doesn't need much repeatability. Some people don't believe in double and triple rainbows. An authenticated photo can be quite enlightening. --Bejnar (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't strongly disagree with those examples, but I worry that, from the town on the river example, it's but a small step to editors describing features on Mars based on (indisputably reliable) rover or orbiter photos, which surely must be OR. Also, a photo of a double rainbow could be an artifact of the lens. I wouldn't be comfortable using a photo of one as a reference unless the caption supported the double rainbow claim. Pburka (talk) 19:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
That's why we have sources that are generally considered reliable, so that each individual factoid does not have to be authenticated, with a chain of evidence, etc., as opposed to the high number of Wikipedia references that are, upon inspection, to more questionable sources. On Mars photos, descriptions like See the dendritic pattern would be just fine, no conclusion is being drawn, there is no original research. Connecting that pattern to water erosion would be synthesis, and inappropriate without citation to a reliable source. --Bejnar (talk) 19:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Indic scripts

Please stop adding indic scripts. See WP:INDICSCRIPT for more. — Abhishek  Talk 07:06, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Indic script is appropriate in settlement infoboxes where I have been adding them. WP:INDICSCRIPT says There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. That is not a blanket prohibition on native names. I have initiated a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Indic scripts in lead to resolve this, I hope. --Bejnar (talk) 07:39, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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Lohara dynasty

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Satellite map images with missing or unclear data

Bejnar - I see you changed the Ultricht item to say "Starting in 2010, only one building on Google, larger area apparent mistake." I don't know what this sentence is saying. The citation you provide is not very useful - it is in Dutch. Citations are not necessary in this article. Things are either obscured or they aren't. GroveGuy (talk) 03:26, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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Perhaps you could offer your insight

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What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

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DRN needs your help!

Hi there. I've noticed it's been a while since you've been active at DRN, and we could really use your help! DRN is going to undergo some changes soon, so it'd really be great if our backlog is cleared before the start of August and we have as many people on board to help with the changes (they include a move to subpages and the creation of a rotating "co-ordinator" role to help manage things day-to-day. Hope to see you soon! Steven Zhang Help resolve disputes! 11:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

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Mediation - Needle Exchange Programme conflict

Bejnar, you might advise as to whether the issues listed on the Mediation page re the conflict over the Needle Exchange reviews are beyond your time availabilities to mediate. I understand that there is recourse to a more formal mediation process if the issues are too conflicted or difficult. Could you please advise whether we should be moving this issue toward more formal mediation or even arbitration, or whether you still see yourself as being able to assist at this more informal level. Minphie (talk) 11:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Your involvement with DRN

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Diveagar

This is supposedly a part of doctoral thesis. This should have more credibility. It mentions about Golden Ganesh temple and Roop Narayan, Sundar Narayan temple. This Indian Express news article has covered more details. Can you include those in Diveagar article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redr (talk • contribs) 15:25, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Bribery

Thanks, it took a while to get the citation. Good work, nonetheless! John Smith's (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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Shwebomin

Re: article Shwebomin Thank you for reminder and sorry for not keeping a cool head. I became hot-headed when Shwebomin himself was using that Wikipedia entry as evidence. I will try to keep myself away from that topic. Thanks. SWH® talk 00:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for your edit. I now have split opinion. I think if we keep and maintain properly, readers could make better judgement of him. SWH® talk 00:30, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Before this current kerfluffle, the article was viewed only about four or five times a month. WP traffic Aug 2012. --Bejnar (talk) 20:39, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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