User talk:Apostolos Margaritis

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NyLon

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November 2007

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NyLon

Good to hear from you. I liked the article, and I thought the reason for nomination ("it's a neologism") was pretty flimsy. Maybe they don't know what "The Economist" is. Anyway, I get pretty mad myself when someone moves to throw out something I've worked on for a long time, sometimes for no apparent reason other than a psychological need to feel big by destroying something. It's even worse when a bunch of lemmings start following suit. However, if you let them get to you, they start winning. Assuming that this one gets deleted, I think the NYLON magazine article is the place to incorporate most of your information until it can be brought back. I can't tell from google exactly how prevalent the term is, but I saw enough to believe that it's worth its own article. Mandsford 22:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Campaigning?

Please note that canvassing for support ([2] and [3]) against an AfD nomination is typically frowned upon. —Travis ^talk 20:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassadors

No, just a long fur-lined or trimmed robe, which is just what you would expect for a cleric, or indeed many middle-to-upper class persons. Anyway, is a caftan Jewish? Johnbod (talk) 18:35, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A caftan has to have buttons I think, which Holbein's one doesn't. No doubt the Hasidic robes may descend from the caftan, but the Holbein costume is standard European clothes, as is the hat. Johnbod (talk) 18:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would! Johnbod (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

fez

I have reverted your additions to Fez (hat). The info may be sound, but the method of inserting it before an existing reference creates a lie. I assume that was not your intention, but it is the result; it makes it appear as if (for example) the Encyclopedia Brittanica said something that it didn't. Please feel free to re-add the info elsewhere, with other citations. Also, please use edit summaries, so we can all see what's going on, step by step. Thanks. BrainyBabe (talk) 20:13, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Autonomist movement

Hi Apostole. I think we can mention it, but for the time being not in a separate section because it is not established that it is noteworthy or accepted enough. Also your introductory comments about the Greek government etc. cannot stay if they are not cited. Doing so would be original research (see WP:OR). Take care and thanks for the courtesy. Tasos (Dr.K. (talk) 16:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Ευχαριστώ πολύ. Κι' εσείς παρομοίως. Τάσος. (Dr.K. (talk) 17:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]

To be

Hello Apostolos. Do you know the different ways the verb "to be" is declined in Aromanian? I'd like to add some info to the article. Balkan Fever 10:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! It even makes sense to me. Maybe this will save me learning Greek if I ever decide to travel to Epirus (or even Thessaly). Again, thanks :) Balkan Fever 12:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, because everyone in Epirus and Thessaly speaks Aromanian, making Greek entirely redundant. How did you know? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· 12:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You might find this interesting.

If you haven't seen it allready. Which I doubt.

A joint Vlach-Albanian state was mooted, but not very seriously7. The Vlachs were clearly too far from distant Romania to aspire to unity with that state, although the Romanian state did start Romanian schools. These were never very well-attended and they taught Romanian, not Vlach. The nationalist Apostol Margarit tried to establish a Vlach church, but this was hardly a success, and its failure was a handicap in education. It was something of an achievement for the Vlachs to be recognized as a separate millet by the Porte in 1905, although this recognition was probably intended mainly as a divisive tactic to sow dissension between Vlach and Greek. For there can be little doubt that the principal reason why any move for Vlach independence never really got off the ground was that most Vlachs had already cast their lot in with the Greeks.

--Xenovatis (talk) 15:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link ;)

That's was ... woawe ! Great !

Extended content

Hello,

Have you some links (friends) involve in the current Greek unrest / riots ? And may you share their email if they speak english.

I personally was one of the ten leaders of the Bordeaux city student movement , a part of the 2006 youth protests in France. Writing some articles talking about our [French youths, French student] difficulties, claims, and political critics.

I'm interested to learn more about Greek students claims and political requests.

If you have some friends involve, especially within the local 'think tanks', thanks to share their email. My own email is on my user page (one small image).

The economy going down, we can guess that such unrest will happen again, and that your friends' email may be helpful to me in some years (?).

Regards, (feel free to delete this section after reading)

Yug (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rude statement

Claiming that a film is "hatred-inciting", both when the statement is a lie, and when it was not the intention (i.e. unsourceable) could be considered insulting to the character in question. Attempt not to let your ignorant views get in the way of editing. Happy editing. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 12:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm somewhat confused. You insult the informative film about facts concerning the Koran (a film which features no assumptions or commentary), but then you tell me to read an article (which i read within an hour of it being avalable at google news) which supports my pro-neutral view of Wilders? He may be controversial, but that doesn't make his film inciteful. The film, as you will know if you've seen it or read any neutral sources concerning it, does not make any incitement at all, and the only suggestion is one far more peaceful than any picture painted by any critic of Wilders. My comment wasn't pro-Wilders, or his views though, only the fact we should stay netural, and whether you support him or not, and you'd be suprised on my stance no doubt, we should support his right to make the comment. I also agree with you final statement... as I originally stated, the reason he is banned is to prevent discussion and conflict, because of the film. So, which part of your point does not agree with my assertion that his ban is purely related to the film , and it's showing in the Upper House?

Mhmm fair enough. Our personal opinions dont matter, which was my original point, don't call his movie hatred inciting, it isn't, it's not a matter of subjectivity, it's dilution of the meaning of incitement to suit the silencing of criticism (whether valid or not). However, I think you should think twice before saying he makes a comfortable living. His freedoms are gone, he is under constant guard and has to be away from his family for their protection. He is soon to be prosecuted for a non-crime and will only suffer for it, making life good for others if he wins, but never for himself. Don't be so quick to take on other peoples views and reactions to make assumptions about a man who, whether twisted by time or not, is in it for the cause. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beijing Television Cultural Center fire

Hello, you just posted some report by the architects about the probable reconstruction after the fire, attributing it to an OMA spokesman. I have not been able to find anything on-line. It would be great if you were able to source this to a news item or press release. Cheers, Ohconfucius (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Alans' eating habits

Gramineus means "grassy", from the same root as gramen 'grass'. Passage means "When they come to a grassy place, they circle their wagons and eat like wild animals." Not sure where you're going with this... and don't forget that Ammianus is an ancient primary source and has to be treated with care. (cf. WP:PRIMARY). As for the book quoting him, it has a wonderful collection of absurd etymologies! --Macrakis (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Etymologies

Re: "you never know if the author struck genius with some of the more daring" -- inventing fanciful etymologies is easy. Demonstrating convincingly that they are correct (or even plausible) is another matter.

Re: "the kinship between the Ancient Greek and the Celtic languages" Well, they're both Indo-European, so of course there will be cognates like καρδιά 'heart' // Irish cride; μεθύων 'drunk' // Irish mesc. Sometimes of course the meanings of the cognates will be quite different e.g. καρπός 'harvest' // Irish corrān 'sickle'. There are also many indirect borrowings (not cognates) from Greek into Celtic, especially for Christian vocabulary, e.g. καθέδρα > Latin cathedra > Breton cador. Borrowings in the other direction are rarer (βουλγίδιον is one), though there must be some dating to the Gallic invasion of the Balkans.

As for 'crib' and κρεβάτι, according to the OED, 'crib' is a Germanic word. Where did you get the κρεβάτι > crib etymology?

Re: "Since the Celtic languages are quite obscure and very few of us have a fluent command of them at present, I think that we should give the author at least the benefit of the doubt." I'm not sure I follow you here. The Celtic languages are not 'obscure' -- there is a vast literature on them, though I certainly don't claim to know this literature. "Give the author the benefit of the doubt"?! Surely not! This is a prime example of pre-scientific and unsystematic speculation from the 18th century, long before modern historical linguistics (including the Indo-European theory) developed. --Macrakis (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Again, a 1783 publication on etymology is surely out of date! I would trust the etymologists of the modern OED to have considered and rejected this etymology. Note that the original meaning in English was not "a bed for an infant", but "a barred receptacle for fodder". --Macrakis (talk) 00:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, creche and crib are from the same Germanic source meaning "manger" (a feeding-trough for animals), and used to translate the New Testament φάτνη (the manger in which Jesus was placed). The word κράββατος also appears in the NT, and is translated as 'bed', never as 'crib'. Not surprising that no reliable source claims that 'crib' and 'κράββατος' are related. --Macrakis (talk) 14:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quiz

Well, I failed on Cullen Skink, Bomba rice, and Frenk Maydanozu.... Hronia polla! --Macrakis (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Irir Samaale

This may be a cold case but I saw here:[4], in the irir Samaale article that you added ',respectively from the patronim Ishmael'. Do you mean with this that Somalis are directly related with Ishmael?. Or is this a minor case of vandalism? I hope I'm mistaken. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 17:24, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Goulash and Aloo goosht

Seems unlikely. OED says goulash is < Hungarian gulyás(hús), < gulyás herdsman + hús meat. Gosht is a Persian word for 'meat'. --Macrakis (talk) 18:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Moving this follow-up discussion here from User talk:Macrakis. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in the source you cited to support your claim. Apostolos, I notice you have repeatedly played fast and loose with unsourced and poorly sourced claims of etymological connections like this. You really need to stop. It's disruptive. Hands off from all topics related to etymology; you clearly lack the qualification to read and recognize reliable sources about such matters and distinguish them from unreliable ones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alright then, Fut.Perf. If you say so... (BTW Long time no see :)) Yet (unlike you) I am quite fluent in Hungarian language so let me make good use out of this expertise. It is important that you too stay away from topics that do not entirely overlap with your fields of interest and competence. "Gulya" translates in Hungarian by "beast". The Hungarians (and their language) consist of multiple tribal and ethnic layers, the Persian speaking Jassic_people being just one of them. Perhaps "gulya" (herd of cattle, multitude of beasts) and the Iranian "gosht" come from the same source given the fact that these Iranophones live since the early Middle Ages in the midst of the Hungarians and having become by now one and the same people. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 13:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC) This reliable source says that "Gulya szavunk elsődleges jelentése ' szarvasmarha' lehetett, s felmerült kaukázusi származásának ötlete." (The original meaning of the word Gulya must have been that of "cattle of beef") Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 13:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC) P.S. I apologize to Macrackis for having to answer Fut.Perf. as he interfered quite unexpectedly in what was a dialogue between me and you.[reply]

Apostolos, you've been around this place for many years. Surely you don't need me to explain the WP:NOR policy to you, do you? You must know that it is not legitimate to make things up based on your own speculation. So, "perhaps" the words come from the same source? You can't be serious.

Now, let's be more concrete. You claimed in the article that "[a]ccording to Georg Lang and to other sources" the one dish "drew its original inspiration" from the other. You did not provide any reference to "Georg Lang" (whoever that is) that I could see. The one reference you did give (was that supposed the "Georg Lang" source or the "other sources"?) apparently did not contain anything relevant – at least in the place the google search linked to, the only reference to "goulash" and "Aloo gosht" was saying that the one was an approximate translation equivalent of the other. Nothing about common origins, nor about etymologies. The source you cited now [5] does not contain anything about "gosht" either.

Can you give me any reason why I should not simply block you for a blatant – and repeated – case of deliberate source falsification? Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

George Lang was a well-known Hungarian restaurant owner and cookbook author (I have his Cuisine of Hungary), but as FP says, I see nothing in the article you point to that support what you're saying. Also, as FP says, you don't seem to understand how to treat sources in etymology. See the discussion about 'crib' and 'κράββατος' above. Better to stay away from speculation a.k.a. WP:OR. --Macrakis (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Add to that the "börek"/"navel" shenanigans earlier [6], as well as several other similar edits I've found [7][8] and it clearly shows it's a long-term disruptive pattern. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Again

I cannot verify that the source you cited here [9] says anything about bulbuls (rather than nightingales) ([10]). Please quote here the exact sentence in the source that you base this claim on.

If you don't have a good explanation for this edit, which appears to be yet another case of deliberate source falsification, I will block you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, do as you please as I won't be devastated in case you decide to block me (for a mystery reason). Yet all you have to do is check the book "Oriental rugs: a complete guide" by Charles W. Jacobsen published by C. E. Tuttle Co., 1962 pp. 293 and 294 . Actually, the text that I quoted can be found on google.books. I actually have the book itself and and my edit is relied upon Jacobsen's findings. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC) The truth is that the nightingales of Shiraz were in fact often mistaken for bulbuls. See this definition as well:[reply]

The bulbul, of which they wrote and sang, was the European nightingale, which visits Persia in spring to sing and love and nest. They pass as far South as Shiraz , where they meet the plump little Indian bulbul, which is often mistaken for the Shiraz's poets singing bird. (Persia Revisited by Thomas Edward Gordon, The Echo Library 2007, page 46) But anyway, I removed the "perhaps bulbuls" words just for your peace of mind although as we saw, the Shiraz nightingale depicted on certain rugs could actually have been in reality a bulbul. I mentioned the bulbul for the sake of accuracy and not for some other irrational reason. Apostolos Margaritis (talk) 16:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is incredible. You seem to be still completely resistant to grasping the idea of WP:NOR. Your edit was claiming that Jacobsen wrote the birds on those rugs might be bulbuls. That was untrue. Jacobsen doesn't mention Bulbuls at all. I don't care whether it might in fact be more "accurate" to call them bulbuls or whether some other authors connects nightingales to bulbuls. I only care about the fact that Jacobsen didn't say this, when you claimed he did. You need to stop lying to our readers.

Since you persist in wilfully refusing to get it, and have given me no reason to expect you will not continue your longterm pattern of disruptive source falsification, I am blocking you, indefinitely. You can be unblocked if and when you give any administrator a credible assurance that you understand the WP:V and WP:NOR rules and that you are prepared to abide by them in future. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the problem here is that the Arabic and Persian word 'bulbul' does in fact mean 'nightingale', though in English, bulbuls and nightingales belong to quite distinct families of passerine birds. But I see no reason to extend this confusion to the Oriental rugs article, unless reliable sources speak of say the "bulbul motif", which as far as I can tell, they don't. --Macrakis (talk) 21:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Çoban

Dear Apostolos Margaritis,

I found Çoban in Aromanian language .It is the same as in Turkish .Could you look it up .--25px 3210 ^(T) 10:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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