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The page Buildkite is my first, and I've edited and found more sources from another folk's feedback. I've pulled a lot of what are my definition of notable sources where the company or the service is the focus of the article (edited for clarity), supported by the company documentation where relevant. When you have the time, can you share or direct me the right place to go to purge and replace the ones that aren't considered notable? I've yet to find a directory or filtered list or something that says hey this is a source we don't trust, etc. And Australian media is a bit of a different landscape than the US, sometimes. Appreciate the help, when you have the chance.-- Tehinterwebz (talk) 01:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Tehinterwebz, thanks for reaching out. The usual guideline we use to assess "notability" of an article topic is primarily based on what we call "significant coverage". Reliable sources are required of course, but notability is a bit different, and it requires meeting the other criteria as well. For organisations and companies, the relevant guidance is found at WP:ORGCRIT, and the part specifically about depth of coverage is WP:ORGDEPTH, but to sum it up a bit: "significant coverage" means the source should address the subject of the article directly and in depth (more on that later); "independent" means any content directly from the company (most often interviews or press kits) are excluded; "reliable" is usually not a issue if you're sticking to ordinary, reputable news organisations, though some caveats apply (you can find a list that has been previously discussed at WP:RSP for some examples, but it's hardly exhaustive); "secondary" is about the distinction between fact and analysis, a secondary source has analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources (see also WP:PSTS and WP:USEPRIMARY).
For organisations and companies, there is a list of coverage types (at WP:ORGTRIV) that we would not normally consider "significant coverage", for example, funding announcements or product launches. These is, otherwise, no bright line rule on what is clearly "significant coverage" and what is not, but in general looking for a paragraph or two of detailed analysis clearly not from the company from 3 separate publications and authors is a good target to aim for. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
@Alpha3031 yup, okay, that's everything I had in mind when reviewing sources for Buildkite, though I obvs couldn't find this documentation, so I'll review that. I'll do a second sweep though as given the tag it seems like I missed some, or misinterpreted some of the guidelines. While not looking at my reference list directly, I feel like there were at least 3 non-funding or PR pieces from separate publications — were there any sources in particular that stood out to you as particularly questionable? (I'm not sure if you're using a bot or if you remember any specifics with Buildkite). I did pull a few press releases, though only for secondary support and did occasionally pull directly from their documentation for how the platform worked. ((Also newbie sidebar question — should I remove the secondary sourcing with press releases full stop? I included them to have another source of validation, but are they doing more harm than good being there at all?)) TIA! ~~~ Tehinterwebz (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Regarding your sidebar question, there isn't too much harm in the occasional citation to press releases or the company website, but it can delay reviews if there are too many of them. I wouldn't consider 10 out of 36 refs being to the company website to be too much, for example, but it does make it harder when a lot of the other sources are to interviews or otherwise also non-independent. There is also a minor readability concern when there are an excessive number of footnotes in the same place, which seems fine for much of the article, but the paragraph ending in Pipelines has a web application to handle user authentication, build orchestration, store logs and metrics. has 9 refs, which is definitely too much. You can spread the refs around a bit, move some of them closer to the statements they verify, but I would definitely look at cutting a few of the refs here as well. Rule of thumb I would recommend, 2 footnotes in the same place is fine, 3 if you have to, but try not to go above that.
As for a specific review of the sources against the criteria, looking at the revision I added the tag to:
1 to 6 are funding announcements (skipping over one ref to the company website);
7 is an interview;
9 is not really what we would normally consider an RS, and it's hard to extract significant amounts of content from a "how we do this" blog post in any case;
12 (dev.to) is a blogging platform; 13 is "added a new feature", which typically falls under the product or a product line launch, sale, change, or discontinuance of ORGTRIV (I probably should have just said "product announcement" instead of "product launch");
14 is an interview;
15 is a single sentence mentioning the acquisition;
17, funding announcement and does not appear to be clearly independent;
18, interview;
19, funding announcement, with most of the content evidently from an interview;
20, blogs aren't typically considered RS, and I'm not seeing an editorial policy or much WP:USEBYOTHERS to distinguish it from other ones;
21, we may consider the Pinterest core platform team SMEs for the purpose of verifying uncontroversial facts, but the usual exception requires work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publication and rules are typically stricter when applied to establishing notability;
22, I can't tell what it's being used for, did you mean to link to the profile page instead? In any case, an investor in the company is not considered independent;
23, 24, group blog;
25, Uber, same comments as Pinterest;
26 to 30, another issue with citing these blogs, as I mentioned in 9, is that it's hard to extract significant content — "We're using BuildKite for this now" is not really considered "significant coverage" — in any case, they're useful sources to verify some ancillary facts, and you shouldn't remove them if used, but they don't contribute to notability;
33 does not seem to fit the usual definition of RS, but I would be willing to chuck it at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard if there were two other clearly qualifying sources.
That's pretty much it. Let me know if you have any further questions.
oh wow! that was a *lot* more detail than I expected — massively appreciated. Seems I have work to do. Thanking you, I'll be tackling this over the next while. Tehinterwebz (talk) 23:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Books & Bytes – Issue 62
The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 62, March – April 2024
RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins
Hi there! Phase I of the Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review has concluded, with several impactful changes gaining community consensus and proceeding to various stages of implementation. Some proposals will be implemented in full outright; others will be discussed at phase II before being implemented; and still others will proceed on a trial basis before being brought to phase II. The following proposals have gained consensus:
All the new copies were created by a new user, MeltPees. I already asked the user in question about whether they are being paid for their contributions, but meanwhile I wanted to ask your input on how to deal with these new pages. Broc (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Broc, thanks for reaching out. I am aware of those disputed/reversed draftifications and intend to nominate (or not) most of them at AFD after completing a BEFORE (except NextDNS if Todette's G4 on that goes through). Hopefully they will at least stop doing copy and paste moves... If I choose not to nominate, I will tag with {{sources exist}}. Obviously that would be a far more time consuming process, so I would not necessarily prioritise it over other work. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I'm more concerned that BoyTheKingCanDance marked two of those as reviewed. I will be prioritising nominating those ones as they will be indexed. Not a huge deal, but still. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
I think I replied to this somewhere, but can't find it, thus Im replying again,
I built the Adam Ethan Crow (Film Director) page literally by copying the format of other Filom directors pages, but being careful to make sure everything was cited correctly.
my original plan was to pop the directors page up, then add three pages for his commercailly released movies, linking them to his directorial page.
would it be better to just put up the movie pages, then add him as a director, but only list the movies on the site?
It took me quite a while to build the page up (it still lives in my sandbox), so seems a shame to lose the work I put into it..
Oh... I don't actually have a question.
I just right now saw that I have a mentor, and thought that was pretty cool, so I figured I'd say hi... Hi! --Peter Schroeder (talk) 04:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Peter, welcome to Wikipedia! And feel free to pop in at any time, even if it's just for a chat, I'll be happy to have you. Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Speedy Deletion Of Davinder Pal Singh
Hi Alpha3031,
I noticed that you tagged the article on Davinder Pal Singh for deletion, stating that it seems to be promotional rather than an encyclopedia article. I appreciate your feedback and understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's standards.
I am committed to improving the article and ensuring it meets the necessary guidelines for neutrality and notability. Could you please provide me with specific suggestions on how to make the article more neutral and less promotional? Your guidance would be incredibly valuable in helping me to make the necessary adjustments.
Hi Alpha3031.
I just wanted to discuss a redirection of Piwik PRO Analytics Suite into Matomo. Those organizations indeed has a common past but it ended in 2016. Now those organizations are completely separate, both in terms of legal and business, but also in terms of software. Piwik PRO Analytics Suite is a more advanced platform with increasing visibility - it is used among others by governments, public services or banks. The history part is only a small one and it is not correct to just simply redirect users to another vendor's page.
Thanks for understanding.
Szymon
Please leave the notability tag alone on Data-driven astronomy. Due to the Wikipedia anonymity I do not know what your experience is in academia. That article is currently identical to one (or more) of:
A Part III or MS proposal by a student in Oxford.
A writeup for a position -- add "Students/Postdocs are sought to work on..." in front.
A summary of a funded proposal, also recruiting.
The summary for a PhD prelim, although it would be weak for that.
None of the above are material that should be on Wikipedia. The notability tag is a soft first step rather than AfD which many would do. Ldm1954 (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Demtel clarifications and paywalls
Thankyou for tidying up the references on Demtel International. As a rule, I try not to include any articles that are behind hard pay walls (especially not 30 year old articles!) I have found the Australian Financial Review seems to grant access without a subscription to three older (10 years+) articles per month - I've tested this on Chrome, Edge and the Samsung mobile browsers. In any case, your eventual decision to tag as limited access is accurate, all things considered. Unfortunately, there does seem to be a gap in free archiving services like Trove from the 1990s as most Australian newspapers began publishing online around then. Most archived stories on their websites from this time onwards are paywalled. I believe there is some licencing issue that prevents Trove making content published after then freely available, even if the printed versions are in the NLA collections! Dfadden (talk) 21:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Just swinging by to say, thanks very much for such a well-written, measured, logical and procedurally-sound statement requesting DRV for Connecteam. Being a lurker there for just a little while now, it's a breath of fresh air when someone nails it the way you did! Daniel (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Sid28.28! Copy editing refers to the process of making minor edits, usually to correct spelling and grammar, or otherwise improving the quality or readability of the text (known as "copy"). Usually, if you're aiming to make a copy edit, you would not be making more substantial changes such as adding new content or substantially revising the existing content, though it's certainly permissible to do both in the same edit. You can find a guide at Wikipedia:Basic copyediting if you'd like to learn how to do this on Wikipedia. Alpha3031 (t • c) 08:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi Alpha3031! If possible, would you mind also closing the ATD for Kerry Xuefeng Chen? Like ATRenew, the page has already been deleted per G5. Since I have commented, and I take that as involving myself in the discussion, it may be better for someone else to do the closure. Thanks for your help!! — Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul）04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
This award is given in recognition to Alpha3031 for accumulating at least 200 points during the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions helped play a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Streak award
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This award is given in recognition to Alpha3031 for accumulating at least 50 points during each week of the May 2024 NPP backlog drive. Your contributions played a part in the 14,452 reviews completed during the drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to help reduce the backlog! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello Jim, I missed you n the product we made together - so much. I am ready for another battle in this business. It was hard to find you though. Just ping me on +919900141276. I am there for you. And I have designer who is willing to work under you --Vinay Bhat 1976 (talk) 12:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
I posted a few to my user page now that thought to look( over a year ago) . I'm just not capable of supporting restatements as cited. This bars them from being used in normal articles. Roderick MacPhee (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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WestNet Wireless Undeete request
Hi ! I am writing as a dedicated subscriber and supporter of WestNet Wireless to request the restoration of the company's Wikipedia page. The recent deletion of this page came at a crucial time when WestNet is engaging in significant negotiations with larger corporations and government entities. The timing of this deletion is quite suspicious, given the company's substantial contributions to the telecommunications industry. WestNet Wireless is of immense significance, particularly known for its collaboration with WiLAN, the inventors of Wi-Fi. This partnership was essential in deploying the first Wi-Fi networks, an achievement that is well-documented and rooted in the innovations of Hedy Lamarr. WestNet's contributions span various sectors, including telecommunications, healthcare, aerospace, and logistics, making it a vital entity in the technological landscape. As a cooperative community, we highly value WestNet's efforts, especially in areas like Bridgeland, where their impact has been profound. WestNet has been instrumental in deploying Wi-Fi networks and supporting community initiatives, showcasing their commitment to technological advancement and community development. Deleting the WestNet Wireless page undermines the recognition of these significant achievements and contributions. Therefore, we kindly request that the page be restored to reflect the true historical and technological importance of WestNet Wireless. Thank you for considering this request. We are eager to contribute further to the Wikipedia community and ensure that notable entities like WestNet Wireless are rightfully represented. Sincerely, Matt 66.150.164.95 (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! Yesterday I was seeing raw markup language in the editor and thought: “Seems like this is just the way to edit Wikipedia.” But today, I see rich text in the editor. What’s that about? --Kotassium (talk) 15:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello. I am requesting assistance for the Deletion of Martha Mbugua's Wikipedia Page! Martha Mbugua She has personally requested for the page to be taken down but we are having quite the challenge on how to do that! Kindly assist! --Moengadanie (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 25
Hey there, welcome to the 25th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 1 March 2024. We've got a ton of wonderful editors taking back their pitchforks today. Don't worry, for they come in peace, to forcibly fix and extend existing scripts you use with sheer passion. There's so many, them forks have got what's basically their own column now! gift us with some rows before it's too late Aaron Liu (talk) 04:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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To a lesser extent, the same goes for PrimeHunter/Search sort. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
An easily configurable script to add a link to the #p-vector-user-menu-overflow portlet with a name, target, and icon. This one should be a relatively easier one. I would do it myself, but I'm too busy rotting away on Celeste (video game).
After the ＲＩＩＪ update, Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin has a dismiss button that allows you to mark an item as read in one click and cycle to the next Watchlist item.
Lordseriouspig/StatusChangerImproved is just like Enterprisey's script, except you select your status from a dropdown instead of cycling through them with a button. The WMF operates out of car-centric infrastructure anyway. Shame!
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Hi Alpha3031. You have redirected the page I created for [Wikidata Q90405608] to University of Erfurt, where the information is basically lost. The important thing is not that FactGrid is hosted in Erfurt (it will move anyway). The important thing is that it is part of Germany's National Research Data Initiative NFDI, and I assume it fulfils the notability criteria in this range.
Hi Serenityclinic. You can make changes to almost any page on Wikipedia, so if you see anything that looks like it could be improved, just click the edit button there. There's a helpful tutorial on how to make edits though. Alpha3031 (t • c) 02:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks so much for rescuing AFDs that were never closed and relisting them. To be honest, sometimes I don't work on closing all of the discussions on a daily log page because we have a few admins who do a great job assessing older AFDs, ones that have aged out of our 7 day lists. These discussions are typically more complex and divided than AFDs that are easily closed. I'm not sure how you found these old ones that were never closed but I appreciate you giving them more visibility so that they can be handled appropriately. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!04:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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