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Thanks a lot

Thanks a lot of undoing the removal of the joining section, i personally created this section for the years 2006-2016 and i develop it, to see it being remove so easily breaks my heart and i put a lot of hard work in there, thx for ur actions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Similardi (talk • contribs) 17:35, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome! Your work is appreciated, especially by myself as this was where I first saw that members from some groups had joined/departed. I think it's a useful section to have. It relates to the article and personally I see no real reason for it to have been removed in the first place, especially without explanation. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:47, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Announcement

Ah well .. i fought a lot about all of this and i'm done .. i can say my opinion and all but the admins won't here me and they will still do whatever they want, i surrender. Just do whatever you guys want, i'm not affiliated anymore with wikipedia, i fought for about 5 days now, i'm rly upset but well what can i do? We literally erased all my work on several kpop pages and they keep saying they will ban me . So yeah, do it if you feel so, just keep in mind it will destroy thousand of hours of hard work. Similardi (talk) 15:44, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I started a discussion on this over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture#XXXX in South Korean Music if you'd like to add your input there. I know you've worked hard with the information, but we do have to remember that it's an encyclopedia and we can't fill pages with information that isn't necessarily notable, or referenced. I did originally think it was a good idea, but those sections are starting to take up a large space on the article and barely any of it, if any, is referenced. There was also a note on at least one of the pages saying that artists must have their own article (be notable) to be in the list, which you deleted. I'm sorry that you're upset about this, but you can still add your input and maybe a compromise or a better solution can be reached? Alexanderlee (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I know you started a convrsation there x) But i prefer talk here :p Well maybe we can put a link in see also on a page where's all the disband groups? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Similardi (talk • contribs) 16:45, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

For what you're wanting I don't think it would be accepted. A list like that would most likely only accept notable artists, and if an artist doesn't have their own article they're not deemed notable. It's a nice idea, I just don't think it would work out. I know you may feel like admins/other wikipedians are being overly-fussy with what is in the articles and what isn't, but there are guidelines and rules which have to be followed. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Death in Music

Death sections are VERY necassary, considering these all involve musicians from the same genre and year of the same country and category.-K-popguardian (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Honestly I'm not sure what you're referring to here. If you're referring to the list of dead South korean musicians (as I see you've recently edited that page) I don't recall saying it wasn't necessary, only that majority of the sources at the time I looked at the page were unreliable - such as Soompi and Allkpop. If you're referring to sections on pages such as 2017 in South Korean music and the other years, many of the deaths listed weren't even of people related to music (actors, not singers - one was even of a Japanese singer who had nothing to do with South Korean music).

It's also worth noting that not all entries actually have their own article, therefore aren't considered notable and shouldn't be listed in these lists. Alexanderlee (talk) 01:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

So you're saying I should just keep the entries who have their own article?-K-popguardian (talk) 20:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm referring to the fact that you removed the death section on all years of south korean music-K-popguardian (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

if I removed it, it was most likely because it was either a person who wasn't related to music (such as an actor) or it was unreferenced/poorly referenced - my apologies if I made a mistake
By my understanding, entries without their own article should be removed, but I'm still not 100% sure of the rules regarding this. You could try asking abdotorg, Drmies or snowflake91, I think they'll be more helpful with that. Alexanderlee (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Why change the Kpop 2017 page?

Sorry but i really don't like how it has been edited... it doesn't show as much any more. Is there anyway you can put it to it's original state... It just looks so empty :-( — Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address

The page has been changed because how it was previously was a mess. It was full of non-notable information that didn't belong in an encyclopedic article. The way the articles are currently is much cleaner, and only listing what is actually notable. Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea/Popular_culture#XXXX_in_South_Korean_Music for more information on this. Alexanderlee (talk) 22:43, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

'Consensus' means a group of 10 people on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address

The conversation regarding this had been there over a month, more people were, and still are, welcome to join and add their opinions at any time.

The articles NEEDED cleaning up. The pages were filled with information that, by Wikipedia’s notability criteria, shouldn’t have been on the pages in the first place. We have to remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and it isn’t here to document and list every debut, disbandment, every member that joins of leaves and group, every release or everything else that happens within the K-pop world. Alexanderlee (talk) 11:05, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
It's so sad that these changes were made! This was the most comprehensive list of k-pop releases on the internet and I visit it on a weekly basis. I'm actually happy about the removal of the OST releases, but all the releases by newer smaller groups that I might not have heard of otherwise was what made this page such a valuable resource. I understand that as a wikipedia editor you're just trying to keep things neat and clean, but it's a shame that it went from such a great list to something so fractured and incomplete. Not to mention how discouraging it must feel for all the people who put so much time and energy into it. I hope it will somehow return to its former glory one day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address

The fact that you might not have heard of them if not on Wikipedia doesn’t change the fact that Wikipedia is not a directory and not here to list every single non-notable release. Wikipedia prioritises notability. If it isn’t a notable release, it does not belong in an encyclopaedia. If a group becomes more notable in the future and become notable enough for their own article, then their releases can be added to the list. Alexanderlee (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Wanted

I created another article. What do you think?:Wanted-K-popguardian (talk) 17:27, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

The YouTube videos you used for references shouldn't be used, and the billboard reference just goes to a search page but shows nothing about wanted. I think you have a good start, but I'd suggest moving the article to a draft until there's better references and a little more information. For references regarding member deaths especially, I think you'd have to use a news article; maybe try looking through WP:KO/RS for a few websites to search. Just a minor thing - if you switch to 'visual edit' and click on the references, you can then click 'convert' and it will format it as a reference rather than just an external link. It'll also make it easier for if you want to use the same reference somewhere else in the article, you'll just be able to use the refname. Good luck with it! :)Alexanderlee (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Just thought I'd mention that I personally don't know anything about this particular group other than what I've just read of the article, so I have no clue about their notability. I can't remember the guidelines and requirements of a group or what the page link for it is, so I think you should discuss this with User:Snowflake91 or perhapse User:Abdotorg - I think they're both a lot more familiar with this than I am. :) Alexanderlee (talk) 17:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I am using news. The YouTube links are to a news report about Jaehyo's death.-K-popguardian (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Sung Hoon

Hi! I'd like to understand why my edit to Sung Hoon wasn't construtive. Thank you! miskinhas 20:30, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@Miskinhas: Certainly! You can take a read through this discussion for a lengthier explanation on this exactly, but I'll explain a shorter version here. Guest appearances on variety shows don't really add anything to the persons' career, so this isn't considered notable enough to be in the filmography section of the article, especially given that a vast majority of filmography sections previously contained countless non-notable guest appearances which took up a large section of the article. Filmography sections for variety shows should only contain permanent cast member, or MC/hosting roles which are more relevant to their career. If you also take a moment to look at the article's history you'll notice that these appearances had previously been removed from the article four times for the same reasoning. I hope this helps you! Have a good day. :) Alexanderlee (talk) 20:48, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Grammatical corrections

@Alexanderlee: To address your comments, 1) "No, it isn’t. For this sentence, “involve” is the correct form." - It's either the sentence reads as "The foundation...involveS" or "The foundationS...involvE". I literally used TWO different editors to double check that I wasn't mistaken before undoing your edit. It's like saying 'the foundation of his house involve concrete, cement...'- the grammatically correct usage would be 'involveS', and it's the same with the sentence in question. "foundation" is a collective singular noun and takes a singular verb so 'involves' is correct. 2) "(Also: I had changed the punctuation because commas/periods should go before the closing quotation or bracket, not after.)" - didn't question your punctuation correction as it's not what I had an issue with. I realised my mistake after but you'd corrected it already so thanks. Carlobunnie (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: I never said you questioned it, however rather than just changing what you did have an issue with, you just undid the whole edit; that’s why I said it.

It still should be “involve”, when you read the sentence as a whole, because “lyrics” is a noun, therefore the subject of the verb is plural. You’re not entirely wrong with what you’re saying, you’ve just gone by the wrong verb it seems. The example you gave with the foundation of the house is correct, because house is also a singular noun, however if it were “houses” it would be involve, as “houses” is a plural noun so it doesn’t correlate with the sentence in Suga’s article. It seems like you only went by “foundations” ...? but hey-ho, oh well. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:34, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Lee Eun-ju=Musician?

Would Lee Eun-ju (1980-2005) count as a musician that can be added to the "Death" section in 2005 in South Korean music? She was mainly an actress but sang songs in OST's for several shows.-K-popguardian (talk) 02:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@K-popguardian: if her main occupation wasn’t singing and all she officially released were songs for OSTs rather than any albums of her own then I’d say no because there are many actors who release a song for a drama Alexanderlee (talk) 02:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you! Happy New Year! :)-K-popguardian (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@K-popguardian: No problem, and happy New Year to you too! Alexanderlee (talk) 03:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Have you seen my proposal?

I was wondering if you saw the proposal I made for the dead south koreans?-K-popguardian (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

About 5 minutes ago, yes. In all honesty at this point I don't think you're going to succeed. Especially not if you're going to ignore what people are saying to you and continue regardless - it will just end up deleted. Creating a draft for the same list that had already been deleted three times was never going to succeed. I'm not sure whether your new article will stay or not but I doubt it will.
While we're on this subject, could you go back to the list of years in SK music and add reliable sources for the deaths that you added? (This is just so they won't be deleted by anyone else for being unsourced) Alexanderlee (talk) 02:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

K, good idea. Also, I am listening. Everyone's point is that all musicians NOW, (Lee Hi, G-Dragon, RM, etc.) will eventually die. And the fact I'm doing deaths, in general, doesn't help. What MY proposal is, is to re-create the article, BUT rather than deaths in general, just musicians who died while they were still active in their careers.

Ex: Kwon Ri-se: RiSe was still in Ladies' Code. The day before she died, she even posted a video saying that the group was working on a comeback. So she DOES makes the list.

Choi Jin-young-Jinyoung was indeed a musician, BUT in 2004, he decided to quit his music career and he pursued an active career. He DOES NOT make the list because he wasn't active in music for almost 5 years.

As for the draft, the whole point of a draft is that you can revise it and make any edits that need to be made. I was trying to re-improve it so it would make it. But no one ever cares about that.-K-popguardian (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@K-popguardian:

  • In regards to the draft, that went straight for deletion discussion because it had already been deleted three times already - and very recently at that. It's not that "no one ever cares about that" it's how you went about recreating the list that had already been deleted multiple times, even after I saw you request that it be deleted because you "didn't mean to do it"
  • I personally still don't think your proposed list will work, but hey, others may disagree with me on that and it could succeed - good luck with it. Alexanderlee (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

How to cite a video?

Hi, regarding my edit on Eun Ji-won and Kang Sung-hoon's english name, how do i put the source? The source is from their special DVD which is can only be watch if you buy the DVD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunflowerharu (talk • contribs) 02:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Sunflowerharu: if the video can only be watched by purchasing it then it cannot be used as a source. You may find these articles helpful;

Hope this helps you! Alexanderlee (talk) 02:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


@Alexanderlee: Thank you for your information! And i would like to inform that Son Ho Young's wiki page is kind of messed up, i don't know why but it's like that when i checked this morning. I didn't edit anything since i'm afraid to mess it more than this. Once again thank you!
@Sunflowetharu: ah that mess up was my fault I removed a little too much in my last edit, someone else has fixed it now though. If you have any questions for anything else feel free to message and I’ll help as much as I can :) Alexanderlee (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


Hello

I've noticed you removing fanmeets from some wikipedia pages. Is there a reason why some like Park Bo-gum and Kim Yoojung's pages are kept? Do they need to be properly sourced to be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.142.249.93 (talk) 06:55, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I haven’t removed any fan meetings?... but they will have been removed because fan meetings are not notable for Wikipedia, and at some point they’ll probably removed from Park and Kim’s articles too. Alexanderlee (talk) 13:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


Hello.

Not to sound condescending, but I realized your way of "sourcing" an article is very peculiar and in a way... lazy. You simply pasting the drama's links from hancinema, such as this [1], which does not state specifically the role the actor plays and is more suited to serve as a link to the drama itself rather than for the actor's page. I don't think this type of edit is very helpful. No other editor around has done the same way as you. You might want to find more specific links if you are sincere about "sourcing" an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.240.233.174 (talk) 08:23, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

If you could tell me which article you're referring to, that would be helpful. However, HanCinema is considered a reliable source per WP:KO/RS, and it is also not the only source I use, if I can find others I usually cite those too. The links I use also DO specify the roles the actor/actress has played. If you scroll down the link you used here, you will see that every actor listed has the role they played written underneath their name.

All of the sources I use support the information stated in the article and are from a reliable source - which is what sources are for. I see no problem with the sources used. You are literally the only person I've come across who seems to have an issue with this. Alexanderlee (talk) 08:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey! It's not your business. Stay in Peace.

Hey! It's not your business. Stay in Peace. Khunnkyawhtet (talk) 20:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Khunnykyawhtet: if you’re adding unsourced information to articles, it’s anyone’s business. If you add information to articles, then it must be reliably sourced. Alexanderlee (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Why is guesting not notable?

Hi,

Just wanted to ask why guesting is not notable. When I search for a celebrity is because I want to see what show they have been on, so I can watch it. Does not matter if they guested or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnnaaBui (talk • contribs) 10:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@AnnaaBui: hello, for a lengthier explanation please read this discussion. In short, guesting is not notable because it adds little to nothing to the person’s career and Wikipedia is not a resume here to list everything they have ever done. Alexanderlee (talk) 11:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

XENO-T

Did you finally read about Xeno-T? Now you are going to say that Soompi is not a reliable source, even when its sources are put it? Lil' Kaizer (talk) 03:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I read about the name change before your edit, but you didn’t source it - that’s why it was removed. Soompi is considered an unreliable source per discussion at WP:KO/RS, that is why I removed the source and why I said to “please see WP:KO/RS.” You cant just add information and not source it, or rush and change an article name without sourced information and a discussion. Alexanderlee (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Topp Dogg

Hi Alexanderlee. I saw your last edits to the article. Can you please make a formal move request at WP:RM, if you believe that's the new name of the group? Thanks. Dr. K. 03:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Dr.K.: Hello Dr.K. About to make a formal move request as you asked; however I'm not sure where exactly I should be making this request. Should it be under technical moves, or elsewhere? Thanks! Alexanderlee (talk) 14:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Update: The article has since been moved again. I've added reliable sources and a little more information regarding this to the article - what do you suggest from here? Alexanderlee (talk) 14:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much Alexanderlee for looking into this. Now, I'm not sure if this a controversial move, since Topp Dogg is the WP:COMMONNAME of the band as opposed to the new name which is not common yet. I suggest click on this link and follow the instructions to open a discussion about the move. I'll keep an eye to help out if needed. Take care. Dr. K. 16:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Exo iTunes ref

Yes, but your reason for putting it there was "promotional source". We're not linking to iTunes so fans can go buy Exo releases—and, arguably, an iTunes link directly to the release doesn't serve a promotional purpose at all. It's not an ad for or an encouragement to buy the album—that would be promotional. Also, yes, there are better sources out there for a lot of things. It doesn't mean we have to tag them all, especially if e-commerce sites suffice (which they do). I have never seen an iTunes source tagged as "better source needed" for the simple reason of sourcing a release date. If it were there to source another, bigger claim I might understand. But for this reason that just seems like a waste of time. Also, work parameters in Template:Cite web are not for quotes. They are to define the outlet being cited. Ss112 16:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ss112: Ah, my apologies for the misunderstanding on my part, and thank you for your clarification. As for the reference I cited, I used the automatic part within the visual editor - I presumed this would do the entire reference as it should be and so saved the edit. My apologies again. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:21, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Take a look at my INU draft please?

Hey @Alexanderlee, if you have the time could you take a look at my BTS INU article draft? I'm about 97% done. Just looking for some info about the japanese mv and then I should be finished. Wanted to get someone's thoughts before I eventually submit. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: Hey there, I've just looked, and although I've never really looked into album or song articles in much detail, it looks pretty good to me. Once you submit the article, I believe someone will leave a message on your talk page for any suggestions of improvements, or things you need to work on before the article is published. I'm sorry I can't offer you more but as I said I'm not really familiar with album and song articles. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: That's completely alright. Thank you for taking the time though, I really do appreciate it. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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Hyphen

Hi. A hyphen is not required in Revised Romanization of Korean. For this, see Revised Romanization of Korean#Features. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: it is not forbidden, however, and majority of articles include a hyphen for RR. “It is permitted to hyphenate syllables in the given name, following common practice.” Alexanderlee (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
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why my edit reverted??

exid is already release their comeback on 2 april....with their album lady...and my resources from chosun and publisher by naver...and my source same for the other article...which is chosun...and about girlkind already debut on 2018 january 17 and i also put my reference...why you delete it??? i think all the references from chosun too...can you explain... Road boyz24 (talk) 12:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Road boyz24: Lady is a single, Fanci is a single. The sources say they are singles, and when you dearch for them - they are singles. Singles are not listed, and this was stated multiple times in the edit summaries. Alexanderlee (talk) 12:07, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: hmmmm..okay then...actually can you help me on how to make an article for artist such as girlkind they already debut but no wikipedia about them i already create and publish but they said that need to put information that talk about them....not what people talk about them..mean i need to create my own description and put references that related to my description..??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs)
@Road boyz24: if they don’t have an article it’s likely because they don’t pass notability requirements, articles aren’t created for every group that debuts. Alexanderlee (talk) 12:36, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Rhythm Power.

Here it is. Rhythm Power's Interview with ARENA HOMME magazine. link -> http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=11496609&memberNo=37982188&vType=VERTICAL — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaeIgLee (talk • contribs) 12:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@JaeIgLee: if you have a source for the information, add it; but in future source the information when you first add it. Information should always be sourced and if you are adding the information then it is your responsibility to source it. Alexanderlee (talk) 12:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

South Club

At first i named that table "Solo projects". which is why we put both "boys and girls" and "take me out". but someone else changed a bunch of things on that article. and now it has become "Soundtrack appearances". if your point about not putting the ost "take me out" because they release it under taehyun's name not south club. even when he released it he was a part of south club. then why you put "boys and girls" and delete only "Take me out"? what's the difference? Is "solo projects" a wrong name to use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indo AMPs (talk • contribs) 15:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

@Indo AMPs: South Club’s article is about South Club, not each individual member. Nam has his own article, his solo activities should be on his article, not South Club’s. If the other OST was released by Nam also, then that needs to be removed too. I didn’t remove that one because I didn’t know that was him and not SC, but I did know that Black’s OST was him alone. The article was edited because it needed sorting out; there’s still more that could be done, such as replacing the unreliable sources. Solo projects is an irrelevant section because the article isn’t about each individual member. A song being released since Nam has been a member of SC doesn’t mean it should be on SC’s article. There are plenty of idols (or former idols, whatever you want to call him) who release solo projects outside their groups. Alexanderlee (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: I see — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indo AMPs (talk • contribs)
@Alexanderlee: I would really appreciate it if you don't delete anything yet while i'm fixing the reference. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indo AMPs (talk • contribs)
@Indo AMPs: the information I just removed was completely unsourced and had never been sourced, it was essentially original research (which is not to be used within Wikipedia); unsourced information should be removed from articles per Wikipedia guidelines. Alexanderlee (talk) 16:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Friendly warning

I appreciate your enthusiasm but please limit your editing activities to areas you actually know something about. You have changed birth data on Jung Woo-sung page to the incorrect one. A couple of your other edits also seem questionable. Please note that repetitive, disruptive edits together with your self-righteous, arrogant attitude will make you a candidate for a sockpuppet or vandalism investigation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolens Ariadne (talk • contribs) 22:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Benevolens Ariadne: well first of all I’d love to know how I could possibly be reported for sock puppetry when none of my editing suggests I use another account. I’d also love to know how I could be questioned for vandalism, considering the only edit you have pointed out is one where I can provide a reliable source for the information that I changed. I changed Jung’s birth date to March 20, which according to his official website IS his birthday. (See here) Hancinema (which is considered a reliable source per WP:KO/RS) also states his birthday to be March 20. (See here) Also, if you look a few edits prior to my edit, you will notice that a different editor changed the birthdate in the opening paragraph. My edited was simply changing the age in the infobox to correlate after I had checked the website they cited for the change. So it looks like I actually do know something about what I’ve been editing. I’d appreciate it if you would make sure you have enough information on the edits you’re coming to me about next time. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:07, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@Benevolens Ariadne: I have since looked into this some more, and although I still cannot find a reliable source to support this, the Korean Wikipedia states his birthday to be April 22, while his lunar birthday is March 20. Of course the Korean Wiki cannot be used as a source, and as I said I currently cannot find a reliable source which states the April birth date. So still, my edit is cannot be considered vandalism, and certainly not sockpuppetry. However, if a reliable source cannot be found for his birthday then it should be removed and only the year should be in the article, in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines (I can’t remember the exact link right now).
@Alexanderlee: I am happy you've discovered the existence of the lunar calendar. Now you understand that it is important to know the culture and the language of the country before you start editing related pages. The March birthday date is indeed Jung woo-sung's original lunar birthday. It corresponds to the 22 of April in the solar or Gregorian calendar. Many Koreans follow lunar calendar, hence is it is often used on Korean sites (like his fan-club page). This date is than thoughtlessly copied on the English language sites creating confusion among people who are not familiar with the concept and do not know it has to be recalculated. This problem is not confined to JWS only but it concerns many other Asian celebs following lunar calendar as well. Since lunar birthday falls on different Gregorian calendar day each year, it is inconvenient to use it on Wikipedia. I am sorry but your ignorance will not dictate what can or cannot be listed on Wikipedia. Actually JWS confirmed the April date twice himself. Let us see if you can find it. It will be a good exercise in information research. Since you like to cite rules and guidelines let me remind you that Wikipedia editing should not consist of copying the information from other sites or translating other language version. As for the sources you mentioned. The first site is not per se his official site but, as mentioned above, the official site of his fan-club, apart from the section heads, totally in Korean. Created for Korean fans it uses lunar birthday - they will know what to do with this info. I don't have a problem with that but referencing such page as the only outside source can be problematic for the majority of the English Wikipedia readers. You removed yourself links to his de facto official page on Instagram and to his entry on the basic, not always perfect but still, English language film industry information site imdb which should be put back. You have removed these links quoting the guidelines, which in fact stipulate that if the subject has more that one relevant official site more than one link is appropriate. This was pure vandalism. The hancinema, which you incidentally also deleted from his page, is from my experience not always reliable, although sometimes useful. I have other issues with your edits but being short on time will address these later.

My advice stays valid. Stop the arbitrary removal of valid content, useful information and categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benevolens Ariadne (talk • contribs)

@Benevolens Ariadne: Please do not assume to know anything of my knowledge, I am very familiar with the Lunar and Solar calendars and very familiar with Korean cultures. I never claimed Wikipedia as a source, I merely stated that I had looked at it and noticed that it states both birth dates. I also didn’t “copy” or “translate from other websites. As stated, a previous editor had changed his birth date in accordance with his website and after looking at the birthdate myself, (and yes, looking at the website again now I did miss where it said Lunar, at the time however I wasn’t looking for this I was simply looking to see whether it did in fact have the date that the other editor changed it to; which, again, is not vandalism) and changed the infobox age to correspond with the leading parachraph of the article. As far as external links: they are to be minimised. If one link contains the information that is on the rest of the links, such as the filmography that was on pretty much every link, then they are not all needed. If you believe I have misunderstood any guidelines, then come to my talk page respectfully to discuss this, explain your case, without being as patronising as you are have been since your initial message, and go from there. Coming to accuse me of sockpuppetry and vandalism when I have done no such thing will get you nowhere. (I have also never removed a category, so I’m not sure why you said that?) Alexanderlee (talk) 20:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree with the previous commentor on your talk page. You need to learn how to read and research on your info before editing content, instead of acting like a self-righteous fool. Hyun Bin does not play the prosecutor in the film like what the previous editor implied, so me changing the content is not "removing content". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.251.144.167 (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@197.251.144.167: Except, you didn’t “change” the content, you removed part of it without explaining why. If you remove things without explaining your reasons in the edit summary, it will be undone. This particular edit has absolutely nothing to do with research but your lack of edit summaries. Alexanderlee (talk) 19:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

About RM's learning English through 'Friends'

Hey, I noticed that edits made specifying this is how he learnt English keep being undone, with the given reason being it's "unsourced", but RM himself has stated in multiple interviews/articles published online that this was the case eg. the chicago tribune, billboard, (rolling stone iirc) etc. What kind of source would be satisfactory enough to allow this information to be included? Not that I'm fighting to have it as part of the article or anything, but it's a fact about him that's as synonymous as his IQ of 148. - Carlobunnie (talk) 17:20, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

@Carlobunnie: any reliable source that specifically states he learned through watching Friends would be enough - although it could still be considered Fancruft. Not sure how that has the same meaning as his IQ being 148 though? Alexanderlee (talk) 17:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: That's why I mentioned I wasn't pushing to have it incl, because of that very reason. Synonymous also means 'closely associated with' and that's how I used it in the context of that sentence. Also I saw you did the edit yourself. I got that notif before the one of your reply otherwise I would have done it. - Carlobunnie (talk) 18:03, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Carlobunnie: ah, I thought it meant like “means the same thing” that’s why I was confused haha. If other editors feel it’s fancruft they can remove or start a discussion, but it’s no worries I was already on the Billboard website anyway :) Alexanderlee (talk) 18:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Single albums

Hello! I am confused right now. According to the talk page, it states that single albums are not listed unless they have charted on the Gaon album chart. If single albums are listed regardless they have charted on Gaon chart or not, then the regulation list is very misleading. Hence, single albums in the "please do not list" section should be deleted.

We kept deleting EXID's Lady despite being a single album too. How is Victon's new single album any different from the former? Cheers, Heolkpop (talk) 01:51, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

@Heolkpop: Lady is just a single, it only contains a song and an instrumental. For the charting part with Victom, that’s my mistake. The “unless it charts” wasn’t stated before (I didn’t read the talk page when it was added because it had already been discussed elsewhere and didn’t remember that being mentioned). I don’t doubt the album will chart though, so it could just be hidden for now, or removed, either works. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:04, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: Hello, thank you for the prompt reply. EXID does release a physical version of the album. As for the Victon, I think it is better to hide it till it has charted, as what you said. Cheers, Heolkpop (talk) 02:12, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
Opps, I just realise that it has been deleted not long after you added it back. I apologise if I sounded mean. Cheers, Heolkpop (talk) 02:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Heolkpop: ah, I didn’t know that either :’) thanks for the info! Looks like I need to keep up a little more haha. You didn’t sound mean, don’t worry :) Alexanderlee (talk) 02:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: I'm writing a draft for an upcoming film by JAD Studios called Killing Columbine. (As you can tell, it's based on the Columbine High School massacre.) And I've worked with the studio on several occasions. Still, I think beacuse not alot of info is out there, I'm at a loss. What do I do? (Due to the nature of the film, I'm remaining anonymous, but you'll know who I am once you see it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Killing_Columbine )
The notification tells me who you are anyway, and it’s easily seen im the history. If you’re related to the subject it’s probably better to leave it to others because you likely have a biased opinion. I still don’t know all of the guidelines with creating an article though because it’s not something I’ve really looked into. First though, the main thing to take note of is whether the subject (the film itself, not what it’s about) is notable; none of the sources you’ve cited mention the film at all, and a quick google search didn’t come up with anything either. One notability requirement I do know of is that the subject (in this case, the film) busy be the subject of multiple, non-trivial reliable sources that are indipendent of the subject. In this case, that isn’t shown at all. WP:NFF states that “Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date.“ - and as I said neither of your sources mention the film and a google search came up with nothing. Another thing I did notice though, the director, screenwriter and editor are all the same name; a name that was previously on your talk page saying it was you, which would make it a conflict of interest as you’ll have a biased view. I think you may be better asking an admin about this, all I can base my opinion on is the information you’ve given and my (very) little knowledge of film notability tequirements. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
@K-popguardian:, sorry for replying here. Can you submit your draft per [[2]] and we will be able to advice you further. AFC reviewers will know notability criteria in general. I will just add that you may visit WP:MOVIE. Sorry for hijacking this talkpage --Quek157 (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

May 2018

Hello, I am the person who modified Yoon Jin - seo. Thank you for pointing out the mistake. But I fixed the sentence you fixed again. I'm terribly sorry. Please understand because it is a university project.--Dhksml1 (talk) 06:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

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why did you remove minyoung’s instagram? Leedaindain (talk) 10:13, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@Leedaindain: links should be minimal. Alexanderlee (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

What do you ean Leedaindain (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean Leedaindain (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

But I saw other celebrity has many links? Leedaindain (talk) 10:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

H2

I wonder if the link on Nam Jihyun’s page is minimal? Can you check her page?(actress) Leedaindain (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

About Blackpink Comeback

hye i'm the one who added about blackpink comeback...thanks for deleting it..i thought yg already announce the date...my fault when reading the article..btw thanks..i already spread the wrong rumor..Road boyz24 (talk) 21:07, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

About discography

hey i'm really confused about the code use in the source for an example--- <br> (you may look in the source) what is it for..???and what it difference between colspan and rowspan...help me...and one more what is the function of scope.. Road boyz24 (talk) 08:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC) thank you

@Road boyz24: <br> Puts text onto a new line.
Like this
I have no clue which source you’re referring to. The rest, I don’t know what you’re talking about Alexanderlee (talk) 08:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
you may look at the discography from the kpop artist article..if you did not understand..and look at the source..editing..Road boyz24 (talk) 09:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
@Road boyz24: I don’t know which article you’re referring to. If you could be more specific and mention exactly which article and which source you’re talking about then I don’t have to guess... (also you don’t need to use the {{reply to|user}} here, I get notified anyway as it’s my talk page) Alexanderlee (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Champion

rewrite Champion (2018 film) by --Sunuraju (talk) 07:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sunuraju: why? You wrote it; if you don’t think you can write it to standard then work on it as a draft rather than rushing to publish it. Alexanderlee (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

About Citation

if i write my article..and end with citation need...does my article that i write will be delete??Road boyz24 (talk) 18:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Road boyz24: if you can’t find a lot of sources I’d suggest working on the article as a draft and asking others for help finding more sources and then eventually submitting for review Alexanderlee (talk) 18:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: how to make it become draft?? sorry for asking a lot..cause i'm really interested to create an article in wikipedia..Road boyz24 (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
@Road boyz24: if you’ve already created the article but want to make it a draft to work on it, you can move the page, if you haven’t made it yet, you can use your sandbox Alexanderlee (talk) 19:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
@Road boyz24: guys there is always the AFC for help, backlog is long, but do be patient, we will be with you soon. If the subject passes WP:N, yes, it will be kept if it passes WP:NOT, or else it will be better WP:TNT --Quek157 (talk) 20:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Nine Percent

Hello! At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girlkind, you suggested that K-Pop groups shouldn't have an article if they do not pass the NMG. How would you assess the notability of Nine Percent? Basing on your vote, I wanted to nominate it for deletion. There is significant coverage but I think they are mostly press releases and marketing stuff so I'm not too sure. The editor whose username is Z0 09:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

@Z0: hello, I’m not too familiar with Chinese group related articles, but a quick glance through the reference list shows that majority of those are from iQiyi. I could be wrong in thinking this, but would those be considered as primary sources considering that the show was produced by iQiyi? If so they should be replaced, primary sources should be avoided and secondary sources should be used. I also noticed a source from wattpad, which I highly doubt is reliable at all. Other sources unsliced Weibo, I’m not sure if that would be considered reliable. The problem with groups like these is that there will be many sources about them because of basic press release, but I wouldn’t call any of those significant enough to warrant an article, a lot of it for many groups is just ”group X to debut” or “group X performing on this show”, “group X releasing album” woth nothing else other than that, and fans who rush to create an article.

Another thing to consider is that they haven’t even debuted yet, the article is literally just “they won this show, they’ll debut later”, all of which is likely on the Idol Producer article already. Alexanderlee (talk) 09:15, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Agreed! Thanks for the response. Sounds like a good deletion candidate. The editor whose username is Z0 15:56, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hey could you maybe check out my message here? I think we need a solution for this before it starts to look messy. Thank you.--2A02:8108:1440:2870:9DC:ED29:923:E067 (talk) 18:11, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Lead-in Section

Hello!

I hope you are well!

Just a question: Would it be advisable to mention Krystal McCann in the lead-in for Canada's Worst Driver 12? I think that season is notable mostly because of Krystal's behavior (Worst Driver fans see Season 12 as the Krystal season). It's about as bad as the lead-in for Chou Tzu-yu's flag incident. Just need your opinion on this. :)

Sincerely,

Tibbydibby (talk) 18:41, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tibbydibby: this isn’t a subject I know anything about. If you can reliably source the statement you made about viewers referring to it as the Krystal season then possibly, however it could also be seen as fancruft. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! :) Tibbydibby (talk) 18:55, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Kim Jong-hyun good article help needed

Kim Jong-hyun was submitted to be reviewed as good article, the reviewer has pointed out some problems. If you can please help fix some problems or at least give your feedback about the changes required by the reviewer to achieve good article statues? ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 10:45, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey Alexanderlee, I noticed something you mentioned in an edit description on the Jonghyun article that I wanted to clarify (I'm reviewing it for GA). "Changed back; he was known as Jino at the time and wasn’t part of Pentagon so this is misleading". My question is - is it not more misleading to write "Jino", only because that stage name no longer exists for readers to know who that is? And if I've made a mistake in this, is it worth mentioning something along the lines of "now known as..." or just to leave the old name on its own? NicklausAU (talk) 12:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC) I failed to notice this had already been addressed in subsequent edits. My mistake. NicklausAU (talk) 12:30, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Crazy Person Award

I noticed that you have re-added the "Crazy Person Award" to Kim Hee-chul's page and add this as the reference. I looked at the link previously and also searched on Naver, nothing was write about Crazy Person Award, that is why I removed it. Where did you find the info about Crazy Person Award? The only mention I have found is a twitter picture which is hardly reliable. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 15:17, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

@CherryPie94: I had seen something about it by JTBC themselves that I was going to re-find once I got home from work but I can’t actually find it anymore. It was an article that also showed the picture in the tweet I think you’re referring to. (Well aware the tweet isn’t reliable which is why I didn’t cite it.) I still can’t find it again though so feel free to remove it again; it’s also on the Knowing Bros article if you want to remove it from there too. Alexanderlee (talk) 10:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Alex, I just wanted to say thanks for letting me know a little about Wikipedia etiquette earlier. I don't really use Wikipedia much and am still relatively new to editing, so please pardon my ignorance. Bladebuster700 (talk) 04:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Ladies' Code solos

You undid the part in the Ladies' Code page where I added Sojung and Ashley's solo albums Stay Here and Here We Are. Yet, the article still says "On May 4, 2017, Sojung released a solo song named "Better than Me"", which was there before I added my part. "Unsourced and irrelevant" how is it irrelevant? The section is literally called "2015–present: Return as trio, Myst3ry, Strang3r and solo activities". Yatogamii (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yatogamii: irrelevant because, one - you did not source anything that you added, and two - the article is about the group and the group activities. If a member makes a solo debut then all that is needed is the initial debut information. Anything else is not relevant to the group, whether the individual member has an article or not. You were also reverted, which means you should take it to the talk page if you disagree with the revert, not just undo he revert, per BRD. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Opinion on the inclusion of Mamamoo's scandal

Hi Alexanderlee. I apologise for bothering you but would you like to give a comment pertaining to the inclusion of Mamamoo's blackface incident on the article's talk page? This seems like a complicated issue, therefore I thought of asking experienced editors like you, who is more familiarised with Wikipedia, to give their opinion. Thanks, Heolkpop (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Referencing KOMCA

This is in response to your removal of my addition of JB's compositions on his page due to lack of sources. I will need your help in this matter - I have retrieved all the information from KOMCA (his name is searchable as 'DEFSOUL(JB)' on the website) but there is literally no way to retrieve a URL that will lead directly to all his copyrighted songs due to the way the search function works on the website. How should I go about providing the source or is there just no way this can be done? Appreciate your help! Wagapaga (talk) 13:13, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Unb charting

I have updated the source for charting. Why u delete it? What kind of source do u want it? Dora1894 (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

@Dora1894: I didn’t remove any sources, I undid your unsourced updates. You added the sources after I undid your unsourced edit. It’s helpful if you update the sources while you’re updating information. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@Dora1894: Ah I apologise, I looked again and I did undo the sources. (I was looking at the wrong version when I saw the unsourced edits, and undid the recent one which had sources. Sorry again) Alexanderlee (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

thank you so much

thank you so much for removing some my unconstructive edits. I was wrong, I am sorry. I did not know if soompi and allkpop are not reliable source. I just read your page and found this discussion. its help me a lot. thanks Crssmnd950 (talk) 04:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

For Restoring the Wikipedia Page of Kim Seok-jin

Hello, I found out that the Page Kim Seok-jin was deleted earlier today, I humbly ask you to please restore it. Thanks! Crssmnd950 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritikalahiri (talk • contribs) 13:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@Crssmnd950: it wasn’t deleted, it was redirected to the BTS article because it doesn’t meet notability guidelines. Any editor can restore it by undoing the edit. Personally I don’t see why it can’t stay published; it was submitted and accepted, its reliably sourced and has a fair amount of information and does actually pass number six of the guideline, but if another editor feels it’s not notable then eh, okay. If you disagree you could take it to BTS’ talk page and discuss it further there. Alexanderlee (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


Alexanderlee Thanks for your reply. I appreciate it !! As you can See Kim Seok-jin is part of the Group BTS and has made a good contribution in song writing and Solo songs. So just like V / Namjoon / J-hope / Suga, he should also have a Wikipedia page. And as you have already stated that it can stay published as it was already Submitted and approved, so we can have a page of Seokjin with his all his notable contribution. Thanks again for your reply !!

Sourcing

I don't understand why you're removing cites and saying it's stated later in the article. That shouldn't matter. If that's the case then it should still be put as a reference there. No matter what a reference needs to be placed, whether that's finding a new cite or using one that should have been copied down at the place with a blank doesn't make a difference. As people read the article they should be able to click to the source, not try and figure out if it's somewhere else on the page or if it's even there at all. No one reading the page is going to study it like that except fans, and if it's just a fan article it might as well be deleted and put on their fan websites.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 00:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: I have already explained the reason why in edit summaries and on your talk page. Tagging a statement as unsourced is fine, but you need to check that what you’re tagging is t already sourced elsewhere. If it is, it doesn’t need sourcing again because it is already sourced. tag bombing articles is not helpful. If you see a source is already there and you want tow tables to be sourced to, as I said on your talk page, you can use ref name to put the cite there. Alexanderlee (talk) 10:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
"As people read the article they should be able to click to the source, not try and figure out if it's somewhere else on the page or if it's even there at all. No one reading the page is going to study it like that except fans, and if it's just a fan article it might as well be deleted and put on their fan websites." Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: As I said, use ref name to put the cite there, but tagging it as unsourced when it is already sourced is not helpful. Repeating yourself to me will not help you if you cannot understand what I’m saying. Alexanderlee (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Deleting where there are no sources and stating it's somewhere floating in the article and not connecting it doesn't help either. If you know that then connect it instead of deleting where I notice a problem and acting like it's okay. It seems like you don't want to improve the kpop articles in general. I tagged problem spots. Simple as that. It's not "hard to comprehend", just as you tried to insult my intelligence when it's you who still don't get it. Or perhaps you don't want to because a lot of kpop editors are biased and don't care about proper cites, just having an article. I'm not going to do it anymore anyways since me wanting to improve articles is such a problem. I'll just leave them bad and eventually they'll get deleted when people outside the kpop communities that have no bias realize it. The only reason a lot of them haven't been deleted already is because when they were approved the approver didn't realize cites were bad, and all it will take is one admin looking at it and realizing the mistake. Not my problem anymore though. I'll just stick to editing the articles I normally edit.Ukiss2ne14lyfe (talk) 14:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Ukiss2ne14lyfe: I didn’t say don’t tag things, if you read what I have said MULTIPLE TIMES in my edit summaries, I said please CHECK before you tag, and if you see that it is already cited then copy the cite. You’ll see in many articles, even completely unrelated to kpop, not all tables have sources. It’s the same as when you look at the discography section and it’s just an unsourced list - because the source is in the article. You’re also misquoting me, I said “repeating yourself will not help you if you cannot understand what I’m saying”. So at that, good day and continue doing you.

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Logical/aesthetic quotation on EXO page

EXO's page has long had both logical and aesthetic quotation included in it; my edits on this point were merely to make the page consistent (and consistent with other major K-pop entries). Some Wikipedia style guide entries state Wikipedia prefers logical, yes, but others state that it's open to interpretation and should simply be made consistent within a given article. Silpe2003 (talk) 14:04, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Silpe2004: the article used logical quotation until you changed it in your edits. Alexanderlee (talk) 14:06, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

No, only partially – check the logs. Silpe2003 (talk) 14:22, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

NATION'S PICK EXO

EXO was called as nation's pick by medias and netizens when they will perform in pyeongchang winter olympics. Coledrei (talk) 13:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Coledrei: okay? Why are you telling me this? Alexanderlee (talk) 16:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

i thought youre responsible for putting achievements on their wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coledrei (talk • contribs)

@Coledrei: Why am I responsible? Wikipedia is for anyone to edit, if you feel the information is notable and you have a reliable source to back it up then you can add it yourself. Alexanderlee (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

But it's lock in public editing. It's not for everyone to edit exo wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coledrei (talk • contribs) 14:30, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Oh My Girl Banhana

Hello, you deleted this group for the debut page due to them having no article. They are in fact a sub unit and they could be found open reading the link that was available. I am confused as to why is was deleted so I would be grateful if you could inform me of any wrong. Bibian48 (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Bibian48: because the subgroup themselves do not have their own article, the same reason as to why NUEST W are not listed in any debuting or disbanding sections Alexanderlee (talk) 19:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Wanna One

Hello, may I ask you why you deleting the part that I change in Wanna One page? I think it is already 2019 in South Korea and the facts in the page need to be change.NHstrawberry(talk) 15:39, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

@NHsttawberry: I explained exactly why in the edit summary. Their contracts have expired, but the article clearly states that their final concert is in January 2019, which means they will be active in 2019. Once all activities have ended, that is when the active period ends. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Kai

Hello, I noticed you added that a source I provided for Kai's activity with Under Nineteen is unreliable. I understand that but what I'm not sure how to amend this issue as there aren't any article's from MBC on his appearance. There is, however, the trailer at the end of the recent episode of the survival show giving a sneak peak at his appearance for next weeks episode.

I guess my question would be, should I leave the source as is or remove it until the new episode has aired and there is an article from MBC or greater significance? Ohmyfifthharmony (talk) 22:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Ohmyfifthharmony: a source from MBC would be a primary source, and those are to be avoided unless a secondary source cannot be found. For now I’d suggest leaving it there until a reliable source is found, an unreliable source is better than no source at all in my opinion. WP:KO/RS has both a list of reliable and unreliable sources relating to Korea, you could try searching some of those for sources. If none are found though, then a source from MBC would be fine. Alexanderlee (talk) 23:28, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Park Shin-hye

Hi, I see you edit the article often. Can you share your opinion on how the article should be structured at the talk page? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.160.3.157 (talk) 16:19, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Cherry Bullet

To whom it may concern, I have noticed that you have been deleting the English Wikipedia article for the FNC Entertainment girl group Cherry Bullet over and over again, on the grounds that their "notability" still isn’t shown. I have a good faith belief that their notability has indeed already been showing, their debut single is already charting on the Billboard World Digital Song Sales Chart, for example. Moreover, I can’t really see why there are seven other already existing Wikipedia articles in other languages for this particular girl group, whilst the most crucial one, the one in English, keeps getting deleted, due to your own judgment? Saying that there is no notability present with this girl group is just plain absurd, FNC Entertainment is a well-known entertainment company and the music video of their debut single has already reached several million views on YouTube. I strongly suggest that their article is being kept. Thank you. Nimaderkrasse (talk) 17:59, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Nimaderkrasse first, whatever exists on Wikipedia in other languages is completely irrelevant here. This is the English Wikipedia. Other language Wikis may have completely different guidelines to those which are here. Yes, I have been redirecting their article. Notability is NOT shown in any version that I have redirected, see WP:NBAND. The one you created contained two sources only; not enough to support an article anyway. If their music has charted, why was that not in the article? That would suggest notability, however, it was not even mentioned. Views on YouTube doesn’t really mean anything unless it’s record breaking. Two sources was not “significant coverage” to warrant an article. Also, coming from a well known company doesn’t mean every group or artist that they debut is notable. I suggest you work on the article as a draft until it has more reliable sources, more information (specifically on charting) rather than rushing to publish an article. Alexanderlee (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Alexanderlee I feel like everything is taken quite a bit too seriously on here. I am absolutely certain that the media coverage for this group has already been very high, but unfortunately not everyone who wants to contribute to K-Pop related content on the English Wiki can also concurrently speak or understand Korean, so users like me tend to use sources of the foreign press. I’ll admit that my article may have been too short (that’s why I created it saying it’s a stub) but stating that this group has experienced no considerable notability thus far, is like T-ara's 7th Mini album: A mirage. On this note - Nimaderkrasse (talk) 19:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Nimaderkrasse I’m not saying they haven’t done anything notable, I’m saying notability was not shown in any versions published. Editing should be taken seriously, this is an encyclopedia after all and not some fan website. If you’re aware that the article may have been too short, working on a draft would have been a better option. Alexanderlee (talk) 19:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) A draft to work on is already available at Draft:Cherry Bullet, and as a reminder this page can be checked for reliable/unreliable Korean sources. Thanks, Redalert2fan (talk) 20:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

We Must Love (EP)

Hi...what you mean with no notable...resources..but it from naver which is korean official website...you can also click the group link...all the sources are true..and the background of the article is chornological ..before this...other group that also didnt release the album..already have article...but no people delete it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Road boyz24 the article doesn’t meet notability guidelines. Yes, there are reliable sources, but these are just the typical press release which you would expect with a new release. There’s no significant media coverage. Also, another article for another group’s album existing isn’t a reason to create this one. It doesn’t meat notability requirements. Alexanderlee (talk) 03:05, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Alexanderlee can i publish the article after the album release??? Road boyz24 (talk)
Road boyz24 if it meets notability guidelines, WP:NALBUM, then yes. Don’t just publish it because it’s been released. Alexanderlee (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Alexanderlee what you mean with "there are reliable sources, but these are just the typical press release "...thank you...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs)
Road boyz24 it’s not significant coverage. It’s “they’re releasing an album” “this is a teaser, they released the track list” it’s typical release information that you can find for probably every album that gets released. Alexanderlee (talk) 04:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Alexanderlee if the group has made their showcase about the album and appear in any music show with the album,i can publish the article right??? But it must have their reliable sources...just to confirm..???— Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs)
Road boyz24 No. Promoting their album through TV shows is done with literally every album/single. There’s absolutely nothing notable about that. The album itself needs significant media coverage, or breaking records, high charting, something notable. Not just typical press coverage that happens with every music release. It must meet the general notability guidelines. See WP:NALBUM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexanderlee (talk • contribs)
Alexanderlee Before this,i have see a lot of people make the article about the kpop idol album after the album released...why no one complaint about that...after a week,the album appear on the album chart then they just added the information..explain this pliss... so i need the album appear on the music chart like gaon album chart...then i can release the article..you need to see clc no.1 album article...not appear in any chart..but the article had been released after the album was released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs)
Road boyz24 youve asked me and I’ve answered you. ALL articles need to meet notability crieteria. Other articles existing ″is NOT a reason for you to create an article that does not meet notability criteria. Once it meets notability criteria, then, and only then, can an article be published. If no one complained about other articles then they either haven’t seen it or don’t care, but that’s the problem with the K-pop article community. Too many articles are made when they aren’t notable, too many existing articles are riddled with fancruft, unreliable sources, complete trivia etc. Alexanderlee (talk) 09:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
i will restore back after their chart in gaon chart..and pliss do not delete..cause meet the notability..i read this..thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Road boyz24 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Gugudan

I was trying to seek consensus but I don't think they are trying. First edition I think I might forget to cite, so I then add up. I add up the info which Chinese wikipedia has already added up. I had considered if it should be add on, but then I see this: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gugudan#2019年：《NOT_THAT_TYPE》9人版本_、MANDY短暫加入. Then I re-consider and then I think it should be added up as it has a show performance as most Korean show performance too. That's why I updated, but they reverted without any reason at first, I then cited back to avoid edit warring. And they just briefly watch the video, probably less than 1 second, and started the war.

The dancing plays a very important role in Korean Song as I know, so even a slice change may cause a great difference, and it should be considered as a special version and it's also a part of Gugudan's life.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I’m going to ignore the wiki link you sent for another language wiki, this is the Wnglish Wikipedia, other languages may have completely different rules and guidelines and are irrelevant here. Each language wiki runs independent of eachother. Whether you sourced the information or not isn’t the point here. The point is that multiple editors reverted you, and yet you continued to re-add the information. If editors disagree, then take the matter to the talk page of the article to discuss and reach consensus, not repeatedly add and remove information. You can’t commwnt on what they did or didn’t watch, you don’t know what they did or didn’t do. Please also remember to sign your comment in future with four tildes (~). Alexanderlee (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
In the talk page he/she said he/she would do it again to avoid the 3RR, so I think he/she might be just 1 person but 2 accounts. 1 for major, another a puppet. My this account is registered in another language, but can used it here in recent years. And I know Chinese Wikipedia is different from English Wikipedia, and that's why I have that kind of speech, to explain the then and now for you to know. Devil-lightening(talk) 0:24, 14 Feburary 2019 (UTC+08:00)
@Devil-lightening: that’s not what they said at all. They said they they would NOT revert, to avoid breaking the rule. They aren’t the same editor, either. I’m familiar with both editors and it’s quite obvious they’re different people. The discussion should be held on the talk page of the article so that many other editors can easily see and join the discussion, not on your (or the other editors) talk page. Alexanderlee (talk) 16:31, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: and I am not familiar, that's why before you told me so, I could have had the right to question or doubt since I don't know them at all. And it does got the situation in Wikipedia, if I misunderstand them, please say sorry to them for me. And I have taken to the talk page there. I couldn't see the talk page of page and not getting there is a talk page of the page before your current reply. But the sign I just easily forgot.Devil-lightening(talk) 0:59 14 Feburary 2019 (UTC+08:00)

Help watch B.A.P?

Could you please help me with the B.A.P page? The company released a statement saying the group was leaving the label, so now there's a ton of editors marking the group as disbanded. It's hard for me to keep undoing these and my battery is near dead.-K-popguardian (talk) 05:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@K-popguardian: I’ll try to keep an eye on it, if it continues then it may be worth requesting temporary protection. Careful not to revert too many times though, don’t want to end up with an edit war. (Something I also need to be aware of more haha.) Alexanderlee (talk)<

JSBY

Hi Alexanderlee, This is regarding about Ji Sung and Lee Bo Young. Ji Sung posted photo of his second child birth on his Instagram. Also mention from Soompi, but I’m not sure if Soompi count as a source since it only translates articles from Korean media for international fans.

https://www.soompi.com/article/1301576wpp/ji-sung-and-lee-bo-young-welcome-birth-of-second-child Retaelu (talk) 15:50, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@Retaelu: if they’ve announced the birth of another child, you need to add the source when you make your edit. Soompi is unreliable, although at the bottom of their articles they sometimes link to their source. If they have, you can use that link as a source. Their Instagram accounts are primary sources and are less preferred. Alexanderlee (talk) 16:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: Got it. Thanks --Retaelu (talk) 23:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Itzy edit

Hi, I don't understand why the source is considered unreliable since it is from the official Tumblr of the company? Seokgjin (talk) 20:00, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Social media isn’t a reliable source, and a source from the company would make it a primary source, which are to be avoided. Alexanderlee (talk) 20:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation! Seokgjin (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Jungkooks artistry section

Hi! Why isn't there an "artistry" section for Jungkook since it is there for every member? He has been talked about by many music critics and vocal coaches, his music style is also very broad.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.107.190.37 (talk • contribs)

I don’t know, probably because nobody has gotten round to writing one yet. If you feel like you can write one, and reliably source it with relevant information then feel free to go ahead and do so. Just to note though, just because one article includes something doesn’t mean that all articles should include it. I agree the section could be added, just making a note since you said “since it is there for every member”. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh okay I understand what you mean, thank you! Unfortunately I don’t think I’m skilled or qualified enough to do that. But I hope someone comes around to do it soon. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.107.190.37 (talk) 14:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Big Bang (South Korean band) GA Reassessment

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April 2019

Information icon Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made to Twice (group): you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. You may also find twinkle or huggle useful when dealing with vandalism. If the content may be libellous and qualify for oversight or revision deletion. If you haven't already some editors may find WP:CVUA helpful. RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 21:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello!

May I know why did you edit my contribution on Jimin's page? Shm JM (talk) 21:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Shm JM: promotional content does not belong on Wikipedia, and there is absolutely no reason to include screenshots of media articles. Alexanderlee (talk) 21:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok! Thank you for explain. So next time can I add numbers (amount of views, sells or dates/hour) with sources? Shm JM (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Jungkooks position

Hello! I'd like to ask why "main" vocalist keeps being removed from Jungkooks page? And why does it need to be sourced? He has been the main vocalist since debut, the members and he himself say he is the main vocalist, what other source is needed when the members themself have said it. Plus, if you look at other bands their positions aren't sourced, like Brendon Urie has lead vocalist on his page and it's not sourced, and Luke Hemmings also has lead vocalist on the bands page... neither are sourced. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by an unspecified IP address

Reasons were given numerous times in numerous edit summaries that were ignored, feel free to read through the article history for other reasons given. Brendon Urie being the lead singer of PATD is in fact sourced, it is in the career section. For the casual reader, just being a vocalist is enough information. Take note that each article is different, and just because one article may list things a certain way, does not mean that all articles should include this; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Multiple editors removing “main” from Jungkook’s article seems to be a pretty clear consensus not to include it. Please remember to also sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes (~). Alexanderlee (talk) 00:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I understand that, thank you. However, I'd still like to ask that isn't the members and he himself saying that he is the main vocalist a source enough? 5.107.196.3 (talk) 00:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
@5.107.196.3: and can you provide a source to support this? A source has to be something such as a news article, not just “they said it”, there needs to be proof provided within the article from a reliable secondary source. Alexanderlee (talk) 02:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee Here’s a source http://m.insight.co.kr/news/150954 and here’s the translation if you need it https://twitter.com/jjktalents/status/995283894130827264?s=21
Another source https://www.scmp.com/culture/music/article/2149865/meet-jungkook-bts-youngest-member-golden-vocals-proves-he-can-offer
And another http://share.ew.com/YT6gsmD 5.107.196.3 (talk) 04:53, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
@5.107.196.3: that’s fine, but it still isn’t necessary. Simply being a vocalist is enough information. Just because something can be sourced doesn’t automatically mean it should be included. Alexanderlee (talk) 07:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Are you iKONIC?

Are you kidding me? I'm an iKONIC, we iKONIC r dying wanna change iKon into iKON in all page. Even we want the main page of iKON, but it's protect And u change ma editing easily..?? What's wrong with you? Korean Detective (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Korean Detective: please see MOS:TM, styling is not used throughout articles other than the initial mention in the lead paragraph. It should not be changed to iKON. You were already answered on the talk page. Alexanderlee (talk) 07:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee: then change the lead paragraph and main page of iKon south korean band into iKON. Bcs it's iKON not iKon, the company made the letters, logo, etc iKON fans want to change the letters according to the real brand. iKON not iKon. We can't change the main page of iKon south Korean boyband since it's protected. We want iKON not iKon.

Thanks for read the massage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Korean Detective (talk • contribs) 07:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Korean Detective: it doesn’t matter what fans what, styling is not used, per Wikipedia policies, as stated. It won’t be changed. Alexanderlee (talk) 08:35, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Question

Hello, you keep fixing my edit to the Choi Minho page. I had a question regarding if there is a rule where there needs to be the most recent photo of the person put on their Wikipedia page even if they are within the same general age range? Bobandjillhill (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Bobandjillhill: there’s no reason to change it to an older image when the current one is fine and has a clear view of his face. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:15, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@Alexanderlee Technically I'm not violating any policy though and the picture I chose has a clear view of his face. So I can actually use the other picture, correct? Bobandjillhill (talk) 01:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Interference

There was already a talkpage discussion in progress before you edit warred at the Somi article and pleasecdo not leave messages in the edit space. I've changed the description to Korean-Canadian as she has described herself as that. If you disagree please join the talk page, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:08, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@Atlantic306: one edit is hardly an edit war. I didn’t leave a message in the summary, I left a reason for my edit. If you want to label an editor making an edit as “interference”, then please remember that anyone can edit an article and there is no ownership. Alexanderlee (talk) 17:28, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
    • I meant you left a no-wiki message in the edit field which was unnecessary, and your edit was effectively a super-vote over an ongoing discussion on the talk page which you are welcolme to join in, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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Jungkook award and nomination

Please add a row of jungkook nomination as a bestship in kca2019 as liskook Zihan sabah (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Gong Myung

There are several websites that say that Gong Myung is black belt in Taekwondo. May I ask why you have put forward that information I have given you are not reliable? What's wrong with the references I put in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

The sources you used are not reliable. See WP:KO/RS. The information is also completely trivial and isn’t needed. Alexanderlee (talk) 06:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Help with Regional at Best (Twenty One Pilots album)

You helped me alot with the creation of Rumble Fish and I was hoping you could help me with this article for Regional at Best (Twenty One Pilots album). This previous versions of this article has been deleted twice already, and a permanent lock on Regional at Best has been placed, so I was hoping that maybe I could give writing and establishing its notability a shot. I was wondering if you could give me advice on any other improvements to its current version before its deleted again.-K-popguardian (talk) 21:16, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@K-popguardian: I’m sorry, but no. The article has been deleted twice and an article creation block has been placed for a reason. The album didn’t meet notability guidelines when created before, and I doubt that has changed. A discussion took place as recent as January 2019 here with a very clear consensus to delete in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Any article you continue to try and make is avoiding that, and is likely to be redirected, deleted or possibly even salted. Alex (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, did you even read it?-K-popguardian (talk) 21:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
@K-popguardian: I did read it, and don’t believe it passed WP:NALBUMS. Alex (talk) 21:43, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Yoon Jeonghan

I have created a wikipedia page, but it keeps having notifications for deletion. The artist has a page on Spanish, Korean, Indonesian, Mongol(?), Tagalog, and Chinese. What makes these pages stay up, and what make this English page to be taken down?

If this page needs to be improved, please feel free to make improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpopfansince09 (talk • contribs) 05:03, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@Kpopfansimce09: I have already answered this on User talk:Evaders99. Alex (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

About Seungri's Scandal and retirement section

hello alexander leee

as you know you undid my Revision to my edit on the page, and your reason for that is i didn't give a valid reason for editing. i stated clearly that my edit is a full updated summary with valid sources not from allkpop and other english misinformed websites. check my sources and compared them to the paste ones the edit was done to show a detailed summary of the case progress point by point. Majority of the sources are from translated Korean articles (or in English from Korean news portals).

The original content does not give a better picture of the case and has been causing false narrative and false general notion of the various issues to be thrown all across SNS portals.

If you have questions, you can email my translation account on gmail (casualkorean321@gmail.com)

!, next time i will not talk with you politely i will report you, until you have a better summary to the page, my edit will stay there, have a nice day

  1. MRAU 16:15, 19 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MRAU-vip (talk • contribs)
@MRAU-vip: I did not at all say you did not have a valid reason for editing, so if you’re going to claim I have said something then please at least be correct in what you’re claiming. I said you didn’t give a valid reason for removal, because you removed a fair bit whilst only saying “full updated summary with valid sources”, which in my opinion did not summarise what you actually did accurately, and the edit was full of inconsistencies, such as date format. Threatening to report an editor because your edit was undone is a pretty childish response. I’ll not respond further. Alex (talk) 16:42, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Alexanderlee: Thanks for your response i apologise for being angry, you could tell me in my talk page or on

seungri's talk page about the edit but you did not, its not a good move to undo somebody's edit just because it did not fit your narrative, after all we all here to provide good/better contributions, as you mentioned the edit was full of inconsistencies tell me about those in details please, also i already provided a better summary. so i think other than the inconsistencies part we are good. #MRAU 16:59, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@MRAU-vip: undoing an edit you didn’t feel was beneficial to the article is absolutely okay to do. If you wanted discussion you could have opened one after I reverted your edit instead of reverting to threats. Alex (talk) 17:08, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Alexanderlee: undoing and edit is leading to Edit Warring and we don't need that, also you could open a discussion because you are the one who reverted the edit first. we are humans after all we are not perfect, i believe we are here to help each other, I want to sincerely apologize about reporting you because it was not a good thing to say. #MRAU 17:24, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@MRAU-vip: undoing one edit is not edit warring at all so don’t try that one. And actually, considering you pretty much rewrote an entire section of an article, it would have been better for YOU to open a discussion on the articles talk page about changes you wished to make, before making such a large edit to an article. You also don’t need to use the reply template to tag me, I’ll be notified anyway because it’s my talk page. Alex (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Why are you removing my edit?

Please explain as Ailee is definitely featured on the soundtrack for You Are My Destiny! Assilemzemog (talk) 11:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

@Assilemzemog: because you’re not adding a reliable source which supports the information you’re adding. Alex (talk) 11:22, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
A reliable source which would be from the wiki page of the tv series which also includes Ailee in the discography? As you would’ve clearly seen it if you clicked the link of the tv series. Assilemzemog (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
@Assilemzemog: Other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a source, regardless of what information other articles include. I’m aware she sang a song for the soundtrack, I’ve listened to it many times, but you still did not cite a reliable source, and so it was removed. See REFBEGIN, CITE and RS for more info. Alex (talk) 20:13, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Again, you removed my edit even though I added two sources, one from alkpop which is also referenced plenty from others on her page! Assilemzemog (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Assilemzemog: and in my edit summary I explained why. Allkpop is not reliable. It can be used 1000 times in an article, doesn’t make it any more reliable. Those other sources will end up replaced with reliable ones, but that doesn’t mean that the article should continue to be updated with unreliable sources. Also, not everything she has ever done needs mentioning in the article. Alex (talk) 19:21, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Then why not remove the other edits that reference alkpop? I think if she won two awards for an amazing song, it should be known that she did and where the song is featured. Why does it matter to you if factual information gets put in that you feel it necessary to just remove it because you don’t agree with the source - even though it’s been used for many references not just in Ailee’s page but other KPOP stars/groups as well. I didn’t know two sentences added would effect you so greatly that it had to be removed. Assilemzemog (talk) 21:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Assilemzemog: it doesn’t matter how many articles use Allkpop, it is not considered a reliable source and, like I said, they will be replaced. Using countless reliable sources doesn’t suddenly make it a reliable source. If you want to add information, go ahead, but if you do so without providing a RELIABLE secondary source, then it will end up being removed. An article already containing unreliable sources is not an excuse for you to continue using them. Alex (talk) 22:22, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Seems like you’re the only one considering it an unreliable source but ok. Assilemzemog (talk) 03:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
@Assilemzemoh: no, I’m not actually. It’s on the list of unreliable sources here. Alex (talk) 08:10, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Year for agencies

You removed the year for agencies in the infobox on Park Min Young's page. Isn't it confusing to have four agencies and not include the years after them?Steph0304 (talk) 21:24, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steph0304:. No, this parameter is literally just for the agencies, with the first agency listed first and the latest one listed last. Anything more that that needs to be written into the body of the article with reliable sources. Alex (talk) 21:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Candy in My Ears 2

It’s obvious that Park Min Young appeared on the show. I already cited it with news references. I don’t understand why you insist in removing it. What else I need to do? Steph0304 (talk) 07:35, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@Steph0304: I literally said why in my edit summary. Sourced or not, guesting is not notable and not listed. Wikipedia isn’t a CV or resumé to list every show she’s appeared on. Alex (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
How is it not notable when she was on the show 4 out of 10 episodes? It’s not a one time appearance. Guesting is just a way to describe it. I can call her a cast too. Steph0304 (talk) 17:19, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
She was not credited as a cast member, they are guest appearances. Guest appearances are not listed. Guesting more than once doesn’t make it notable. Alex (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
where did u see that she was not credited as a cast member? And who set the rules to determine what a notable work is to this actress?Steph0304 (talk) 08:07, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Even on the Korean Wikipedia, Park is credited as a guest of the show. Four out of ten episodes isn’t even half, an actual cast member would be in more. If she were a cast member, someone would have corrected it instead of guest by now, too. There’s a consensus among editors not to include guest appearances in variety shows because they’re not notable and add little to nothing to the persons career, and, as I said before, Wikipedia is not here to list everything she does. Alex (talk) 10:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Credits

Why you delete my edit, i edit real credits and adapted from genius.com Acafix2 (talk) 08:32, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Acafix2: because you did not provide a reliable source to support your edit. An external link is not providing a source. Alex (talk) 08:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Genius is also a user-generated website, which makes its content unreliable. Alex (talk) 08:39, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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