Template talk:Infobox rugby league biography/Archive 1

Archive 1

hCard "role" property

Two users (or possibly one, not logged in the second time) have recently removed class="role" form this template. Neither bothered to say why, in an edit summary. The class forms part of the hCard microformat, and should not be removed, unless it can be shown that there is good reason to do so. Andy Mabbett 10:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Links on infobox

Should this infobox template be updated to include links for clubs and positions in the same way that the rugby union, soccer, cricket, etc templates link these items. As the infobox is often the first stop-off point for a new user, someone not familiar with the player or the sport this is meant to be linked. Noticed alot of these are being removed. Just want to test the water to put into the template to link these things as currently this template doesn't link anything, which is obviously wrong. Not a vote or anything but is there any reason not to actually put this down in writing, where previously it was the unwritten rule.Alexsanderson83 (talk) 06:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't know that it was ever an 'unwritten rule'. But I know that the written style guide on the Template:Infobox rugby league biography page states:

Linking of other entries is to be discouraged as most of these links will present themselves in the article's introduction; linking them in the infobox adds clutter and inhibits the speedy retrieval of facts.

For a three line article I don't see any problem leaving the infobox unlinked where all the same information is wikilinked in the three lines of text. It's all on the page in front of the reader. Wikilink the infobox as well and you are well and truly over the 10% of blue as per WP:MOSLINK. For a lengthy article where, for whatever reason, not all information is contained in the lede, then yes I'd wikilink some of the info in the infobox (not necessarily all). •Florrie•leave a note• 09:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Originally I basically just copied and used the football player infobox as a base for the new rugby league infobox (replacing the light blue boxes you might still see around, Marcus Bai). When first introduced I stuck to this Manual of Style of not linking in infoboxes and would even revert users who accidentally put links in the box. But after having had a think about it all, this seems a bit ludicrous given it is the first point of reference for any reader. I say we change the rules and not only allow, but encourage links to teams in the infobox. Whatever way we go on this, we should keep a standard one way or another, that is, have everything linked or everything unlinked. I am leaning towards the former. mdmanser (talk) 10:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

And not link in the text for short articles? •Florrie•leave a note• 10:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I would probably not link the normal text for short articles if we end up wikilinking in infoboxes, as per your point above. I don't mind. mdmanser (talk) 10:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Which would keep in mind the 10% blue, but it's more than likely that other editors would come along and wikilink the article, in good faith, and we are back to a page of blue. But the same thing could happen the other way with good faith wikilinking of the infobox, though less likely I'd expect. Either we adhere to the style guide already set or we discuss and change - whichever. •Florrie•leave a note• 10:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I would back having the infobox information linked. I would present Stephen Darby, a young Liverpool footballer who has a fairly short article but as per the football (soccer) infobox has the info linked, even linking the club three times. I would back the idea, but also use the 10% as a guideline. It is best to link the information and then add to the article rather than de-link certain areas.Londo06 10:25, 02 February 2008 (UTC)

Good example I think. Why don't we base our MOS on that article? mdmanser (talk)

Linking the same article three times in an infobox is a tad enthusiastic, and I can't see how that is a positive thing. And, off topic, but why are the pcupdate dates wikilinked in that infobox? •Florrie•leave a note• 10:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Dates must always be linked in Wikipedia so users can take advantage of how dates are shown in their browser window. If they are unlinked the Wikimedia software can't change it. mdmanser (talk) 10:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

In text, yes, but that doesn't make sense when you are talking about tildes. If we sign with the five tildes, wiki outputs the required date format, right? See the Template:Infobox Football biography page style guide - pcupdate signed with five tildes as the date stamp the same as the rugby league template. (Btw, Infobox Football also says not to wikilink in infoboxes so the Stephen Darby infobox doesn't actually follow the Football style guide.) Not that we can't change our template but it's good to have the right information. •Florrie•leave a note• 11:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Tries

This really must be addressed. I've lost count of how many times I've brought it up, but tries and goals simply must be differentiated between on rugby league (and union for that matter, I suppose) players' articles. I don't know or care enough about templates to fix it, but now alot of players' pages that I created with tables in the body text detailing total tries and goals and for which club are being deleted in favour of a mere "points" total in the infobox. So information is being lost. But either way, it's quite obvious to me that this template which was lifted from soccer or basketball or something just isn't good enough for rugby (either code) players and should either be modified or replaced in favour of a more rugby-specific version. This is not soccer or basketball. Points totals are almost meaningless. Having the two separated enriches the information about the player in such a simple, no-fuss way. We can see instantly whether he was a goal kicker, e.g. Corey Parker, or a try-scoring machine, e.g. Steve Renouf, two players who both have high points totals but extremely different playing careers. Does no one else think that matters? I certainly do. The reason rugby league is the best game in the world is because it is try-oriented. Another fact that seems glaringly obvious to me. This is not rugby union. Goal totals take a back seat to try totals, not the other way around.--Jeff79 (talk) 02:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I know I have removed some points tables but I only did so after bringing it up on the project discussion pages [1]. As there was no objection expressed, I didn't realise it would be a problem. Sorry about that, Jeff. But I do agree that it would be more meaningful to have 'caps', 'tries', 'goals' listed next to each club entry in the infobox and possibly an overall points tally under these (rather than trying to squeeze points next to the club entry). A breakdown could be added to the article text but it would seem logical to have it in the infobox. •Florrie•leave a note• 03:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a worthwhile task, ie to see what the break up of goals and tries are for fairly regular try scorers who also can kick at goal like Mat Rogers, Darren Lockyer, etc.Londo06 9:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries Florrie. I'm just glad you guys see it the same way I do. If there's no way to put the separate totals in the infobox, the body text would have to do. But I think the infoboox would be best, just might make it too wide I suppose. D you guys know how to tinker with that? I might investigate some other sports' player infoboxes for ideas.--Jeff79 (talk) 10:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Missed this, sorry. No, I don't know much about these templates, Jeff. I think it's more SpecialWindler or Mdmansers's field? •Florrie•leave a note• 12:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

New-style Infobox

I've spent a couple of hours this afternoon and late tonight assembling a new infobox which includes a few modifications on the current one. At the moment I've uploaded a near-complete version at Brad Fittler:

• Old - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brad_Fittler&oldid=189694897
• New - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brad_Fittler&oldid=190170387

I took most of it from the newer cricket biography infobox, but with some very heavy modifications. The box isn't complete just yet - I am yet to add a few more parameters in, including representative team information and First Grade debut information. But I hope this addresses a few concerns regarding the breakdown of points, as well as one of my own involving a consistent width of the box across all player pages. It will also make it easier to modify the infobox style in the future as well. For the moment, DO NOT use the new style just yet on any other pages until we have consensus that this is what we want to use in the future. Cheers all, mdmanser (talk) 13:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I've now finished both the debut and team breakdown settings for both representative and domestic (club) sections. The coaching section still needs to be done, but this is pretty much the vision I had for the new infobox for a player. One thing that I could suggest we change is the ordering of the debut and the team areas under each section, so that debuts are listed first. The topic of linking is also something that must be discussed further. mdmanser (talk) 14:08, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. I had my eye on that cricket one but never got around to modifying it myself. One thing might be the guys concerned with rugby union. Once they see this they'll probably wanna jump on too. I understand there was a bit of collaboration going on before to incorporate the two rugbys into the one player infobox and I wonder if it'll be a big hassle to do so with this one too.--Jeff79 (talk) 15:46, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I think I like it. Just trying to absorb it all. Got a few questions but I'll wait for the completed draft. One that you can probably answer now though - will all the existing templates have to be replaced manually? •Florrie•leave a note• 16:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Just a small thing, but I might go for "Position" rather than "Role". Sometimes it is referred to as the "team's coaching position", so I don't think it neglects coaches to use 'position'.--Jeff79 (talk) 16:30, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeff - I took note of that and fixed it straight away. Position is certainly more of a rugby league term than "role".

Florrie - all of the existing templates will probably need to be changed, especially in terms of the points fields. I don't think this is avoidable unfortunately.

Et alii - just take note of the current positioning of the debut and last match fields across the two different sections. Would these better be positioned under one separate heading, or perhaps chronologically interconnected with team information? Perhaps they'd look better before the team information rather than after it. Any ideas? mdmanser (talk) 17:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Hate to be a party pooper, but my immediate impression is that I would prefer not to have the first/last detail within the infobox. With some (many) players there isn't a heap of verifiable (detailed) information to actually write about and their SOO/Test debut etc is about as good as it gets with article text. Just concerned that some articles will be all infobox and not a lot else. But it's 2.30 and I should probably take a fresh look at it tomorrow. Cheers, •Florrie•leave a note• 17:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

(ec):While you are digging around in there - this applies to the current infobox, as well as the proposed one, but is there a chance the as of (for the points update etc) can be changed to either current at or simply updated? As of has a slightly different meaning - this bank will close as of 10 March - from this date forward. Just something that bugs me everytime I see the infobox. •Florrie•leave a note• 17:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to type something about the first and last match dates too. Basically I'm all for that info appearing. It's good and interesting to see. Just not sure if the infobox is the place. But I'm not really fussed. Just happy to see tries now being treated way they should in pretty much all RL-related content on wikipedia. I think it makes a big difference and communicates something very important about this game.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE - I've just removed all the remnants of the old cricket biography box and have changed the infobox to accommodate for 90% of suggestions put forward here. I've removed all of the debut information, even though I think it should be included anyway in some shape or form (it is unlikely that it will appear in the text of most articles, yet it is historically important) and I've also removed the coaching and referee sections too for the time being. Again, check Brad Fittler for what is pretty much a complete example now.

The only thing that needs to be discussed before this template is released into the project is whether or not all of you believe the template fields are worthy and suitable, i.e. playername, countryofbirth, teamA, and if not, what can be renamed, added or removed.

Once this template is released I intend for it to be run under the same link alongside the current one. A template switch will be incorporated into the coding in order for this to work.

Please leave your thoughts, comments and further suggestions. mdmanser (talk) 13:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't believe the new version should automatically replace the existing template that is essentially from the same stable as cricket, rugby union, football, etc. ones. Linked to that is my concern over the colour. I think it is a worthy addition when cleaning up goal kickers. Will wait for the completed version, great work so far. School and University is a worthy addition plus the whole coaching element.Londo06 14:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Added a section on other clubs, obviously does not automatically appear. Seemed there was a demand for it. Alexsanderson83 (talk) 20:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

There is major changes being discussed at the WikiProject rugby league talk page and some of the archives, currently as of 9/9/2008.  The Windler talk  10:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Please replace this image.svg

This seems to have become the constant, replacing existing pictures. I don't know enough about the template to fix it. Could someone with more expertise please fix it for me. Many thanks in advance.Fronsdorf (talk) 11:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the guideline for these should be: if the article is so small that the 'replace this' image pushes the infobox down past where the body text ends, it should be left out. If the article is long enough that including the 'replace this' image doesn't lengthen the entire page, it can stay.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Height & Weight

As mentioned before in the above section there was the issue with the question on height and weight on the infobox vote being mis-leading. I shan't be making an ammendment to the infobox, but I shall be bringing it to a vote at the wiki-project.Londo06 12:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Misleading in what way?  The Windler talk  22:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I was going to ask the same question, but on a re-read I think Londo means the question at the consensus build was misleading. Personally, I don't care anymore. If h/w in the "playing information" is so offensive, take it out of the infobox altogether as I don't see it looking any better moved up a few lines. In fact, I'd be happy to see h/w anywhere anyone wishes as long as the bloody Australian Schoolboys, Junior Kiwis, PMXIII, Australia B, Fiji C et al disappears from the infobox, as was supposed to have happened. The way we are going we will be back to the old infobox, only with the addition of a few goal/point stats! •Florrie•leave a note• 01:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

As Florrie clarifies for me, it was the question at the consensus build; with the example given with retirees, and discussion previous to that with issues on retired players height and weight.Londo06 08:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh OK, I can se your point. I agree with Florrie. If we can remove the youth rep teams etc, I'll support the move. I beleive it was Florrie and our insistence that the height and weight got moved below that header.  The Windler talk  09:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Discussion moved to WP:RL.

Height & weight doesn't appear to be moving to playing information for dual-code retirees such as Richie Blackmore (rugby league). I dunno how to fix it.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

But it does for Craig Innes. I'm stumped. Maybe because it's union → league rather than league → union?.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

If you change Richie Blackmore (rugby league) to have first=RU, it still doesn't put the height/weight below Playing information. I will have a look later.  The Windler talk  08:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If the infobox has the player as retired, height & weight appear twice.Jeff79 (talk) 11:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Representing pre-1895 and pre-1907/8 records

Has there been any thought on how to represent pre-1895 and pre-1907/8 records? I see that Dally Messenger's stats in his infobox start in 1908; it should probably show that he had played earlier, I don't know if the rugby union playing record section would be most appropriate though.

For a player was in Britain in 1895 it might be simpler: everyone was playing "rugby football" before the split and the majority of players who ended up in the Northern Union will have remained with the same clubs. If the records are available, should the records be split between the rugby league section and a pre-schism section or should they remain together?

By the time 1907/8 comes around for NZ/Australia should those records since 1895 be treated as union records (because proto-rugby league now exists somewhere in the world) or still as "rugby football" and considered pre-NZ/Aus schism? LunarLander // talk // 12:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Certainly in New Zealand it is simpler, before 1907 they were all playing for Rugby Unions and I think it should be recorded in the infobox's that way as none of the clubs switched over. I understand in Australia many of the clubs didn't switch but basically the players moved over and the old club shut down and a new one was established? If that is the case then pre 1908 statistics should probably be in the rugby union section. For Messenger Eastern Suburbs RUFC statistics can't really go any where else I don't think because it is a different club from the Sydney Roosters? And all the sources talk about him being poached or converted from the old code to rugby league by the NSWRL so it should be made obvious that he played (at least) two codes. Mattlore (talk) 23:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, good points on NZ/Australia there, I'd go along with that. So that leaves the players who went to the Northern Union in 1895 in England... Reasons to split the records are pretty strong: despite NU not being a new sport initially and despite them being at the same clubs, as far as the RFL are concerned rugby league records begin in 1895 with its administration and records. Up to the split records would be under the RFU/WRU/SFU/IRFU.

Assuming they should be split, should the pre-schism records be put in the existing "Rugby union" section or should the heading be "Rugby football" or "Rugby football (pre-schism)" etc. Pre-1895 events are just as much RL's heritage as they are RU's, I think it's important to reflect that.

Should a title other than "Rugby union" be agreeable to others here: this could be achieved with changes to Template:Infobox rugby league biography/RU by adding an #if rule to rename the section but using the rest of it the same. I don't know if there are any players that did this but, this solution would cause problems if a player played before the split, went to the NU and then later back to a RU club. The alternative is to create an entirely new section: Template:Infobox rugby league biography/RF in the same way an AFL one has been proposed. LunarLander // talk // 00:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm happy for the existing two only. No need to complicate the issue. They were RFU clubs before and after the splits, so it is essentially correct to put them under rugby union. By having something like "pre-schism" or a 3rd "rugby football" title it looks like we're trying to communicate something more than what the infobox is intended for: a mere list of stats.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright, fair enough. Worth bringing up though. LunarLander // talk // 14:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Current rugby union players

I've just been looking into sorting out a few players who have moved to the 15 a-side game. The main issue is that their current club will be listed towards the bottom of the infobox. I propose a return of the club information bar for dual-code players so that the reader will see up front what club they play for, rather than scrolling down to see that they play for this particular club.Londo06 18:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Issue regarding moving current rugby union club up front still needs to be resolved.Londo06 18:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Pushed through the problems with SL players and 5 fields appearing in the area where we previously had 3. Also fixed the issue raised Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_league/Archive_11#Results here about the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_league/Archive_10#Moving_height_and_weight_to_the_.22playing_area.22 vote here.Londo06 19:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you outlined what problems you fixed exactly. I don't know what you were refering to with the Archive 11 bit and the "SL players" bit. I don't really like the current club moving up from where it is. Understand that unless the player has a significant RL career then it wll be visible to start with. And I have moved the height and weight back to where it was because that was the consensus. Not the other way round.  The Windler talk  21:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I know from the above link that alot of editors thought they were voting for retirees only; the question even says it.Londo06 07:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if this is really directly related to this discussion, but I just finished Craig Innes and with the way the infobox is formatted currently, rugby league must appear above rugby union even if the player started in union and switched to league. I think it's most logical for the first football played that's listed in the infobox to be at the top. For someone like Brad Thorn, the status quo is fine, but you can see with Craig Innes, the first football he played is down at the bottom of the infobox. Not sure about the nuts and bolts of solving this. Perhaps an infobox for league → union and another for union → league? Or some other kind of coding option that allows for putting union first. It's not a major concern of mine really, but collaboration with the union project is something that's needed. Some players like Andrew Walker are using the old union infobox. I do think this one is better.--Jeff79 (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a very good idea indeed, and something we could take to the union wiki-project.Londo06 07:49, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Windler, I think you figured out a way to sort this out so we had flexibility in which came first. Could you tell me how to change Noa Nadruku's around?--Jeff79 (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. Figured it out: the "|first = RU" field.--Jeff79 (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, awesome - I was looking for this the other day Mattlore (talk) 00:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Weight

I have found a strange thing. Some RL players have the weight specified using the undocumented fields |weight(st)= and |weight(lb)=, say:

|weight(st) = 14
|weight(lb) = 9

This should give

14 st 9 lb (93 kg; 205 lb)

However, for some players, such as Ian Dowling, red error messages are shown instead. The really strange thing is that these only appear if the infobox template is transcluded in the normal manner. If you subst: the infobox template, the error does not occur; but I don't recommend this because it makes future amendment of details much more difficult. To try this out, get yourself a sandbox and paste this in:

{{Infobox rugby league biography
| playername = Ian Dowling
|weight(st)         = 14
|weight(lb)         = 9
}}

Save it, and view the result. Not good, is it? Amend the first line to be:

{{subst:Infobox rugby league biography

save it. The weight looks correct. Now, why does that happen? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure having not having had involvement in the development of the template but I've changed Ian Dowling's article infobox to use height = and weight = along with {{convert}} as other RL bios do. If I have time I'll have a play around, or probably one of the people more familiar with it will when the season starts. Thanks for bringing this up. LunarLander // talk // 05:31, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

{{convert}} is very complicated and can bring its own problems. I have found that if you circumvent the inbuilt code within template {{Infobox rugby league biography}} and provide your own call to {{convinfobox}}, it throws the same error; but if you also specify the precision, it does the required job:

|weight = {{convinfobox||kg|14|st|9|lb|1}}

14 st 9 lb (93.0 kg; 205.0 lb)

So, it might be that all that is required to do to {{Infobox rugby league biography}} is to add a |1 to the {{convinfobox}} calls. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Clubs past 10

Ugh. Having found Category:Rugby league infobox which have excedding parameters I tried and failed to increase the infobox so it could handle more. Any one with more luck able to give it a go? Mattlore (talk) 07:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Someone's played for more than 10 clubs? Who?--Jeff79 (talk) 11:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Opps, butchered the link to Category:Rugby league infobox which have excedding parameters. Now fixed. Mattlore (talk) 23:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I think I have one. John Elias (rugby league). He is to club football what Adrian Shelford is to rep.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Since I posted that, it now handles 15 :) Mattlore (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Also needs to handle more rep coaching because of Wayne Bennett.--Jeff79 (talk) 06:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Done. Mattlore (talk) 09:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ginger Warrior, 10 July 2011

{{edit protected}} As discussed here and exemplified here, I'm proposing changes to this infobox to make the template more flexible with non-Australian terminology and to clarify any terms written in short hand. I am also resolving a problem that sometimes forces the first column into two lines in the "Full name" field. I need the following to be done in order to complete this request:

1. The main template needs a new 'region' parameter;
2. The PERSONAL subsection to contain a {{Nowrap}} template;
3. The RL subsection needs a new 'region' parameter, {{tooltip}} for column headings, and #ifeq to allow use of the new 'region' parameter;
4. The RU subsection needs a new 'region' parameter, {{tooltip}} for column headings, and #ifeq to allow use of the new 'region' parameter;
5. The AFL subsection needs {{tooltip}} for its column headings;
6. The RL COACH subsection needs {{tooltip}} for its column headings;
7. The RU COACH subsection needs {{tooltip}} for its column headings
8. The REFEREE subsection needs {{tooltip}} for its column headings.

Here is the code that needs replacing, as per the above list:

Main template

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{Infobox rugby league biography/RU
| club1 = {{{club1|}}}
| clubA = {{{clubA|}}}
| ru_position = {{{ru_position|}}}

With:

{{Infobox rugby league biography/RU
| club1 = {{{club1|}}}
| clubA = {{{clubA|}}}
| region = {{{region|}}}
| ru_position = {{{ru_position|}}}

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{Infobox rugby league biography/RL
| ru_club1 = {{{ru_club1|}}}
| ru_teamA = {{{ru_teamA|}}}
| position = {{{position|}}}

With:

{{Infobox rugby league biography/RL
| ru_club1 = {{{ru_club1|}}}
| ru_teamA = {{{ru_teamA|}}}
| region = {{{region|}}}
| position = {{{position|}}}

PERSONAL subsection

Replace:

{{!}}'''Full name'''

With:

{{!}}{{nowrap|'''Full name'''}}

RL subsection

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''Pld'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''T'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''G'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''FG'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''P'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''Pld'''|Played}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''T'''|Tries}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''G'''|Goals}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{region|}}}|British|{{tooltip|'''DG'''|Drop goals}}|{{tooltip|'''FG'''|Field goals}}}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''P'''|Points}}

RU subsection

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''Pld'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''T'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''G'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''FG'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''P'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''Pld'''|Played}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''T'''|Tries}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''G'''|Goals}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{#ifeq:{{{region|}}}|British|{{tooltip|'''DG'''|Drop goals}}|{{tooltip|'''FG'''|Field goals}}}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''P'''|Points}}

AFL subsection

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''Pld'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''G'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} '''B'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''Pld'''|Played}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''G'''|Goals}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align: center" {{!}} {{tooltip|'''B'''|Behinds}}

RL COACH subsection

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''Gms'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''W'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''D'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''L'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''W%'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''Gms'''|Games}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''W'''|Wins}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''D'''|Draws}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''L'''|Losses}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''W%'''|Win percentage}}

RU COACH subsection

Replace: (two cases of this)

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''Gms'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''W'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''D'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''L'''
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''W%'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''Gms'''|Games}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''W'''|Wins}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''D'''|Draws}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''L'''|Losses}}
{{!}} style="width: 1.5em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''W%'''|Win percentage}}

REFEREE subsection

Replace: (one case of this)

{{!}} style="width: 2em; text-align:center;"{{!}} '''Apps'''

With:

{{!}} style="width: 2em; text-align:center;"{{!}} {{tooltip|'''Apps'''|Appearances}}

GW(talk) 22:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

All done, except Template:Infobox rugby league biography/AFL which is unprotected. A sandbox to copy and paste from would be appreciated in future, copying the individual changes and searching for where to paste them is tedious and prone to errors. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Increase the number of rugby union teams played for?

Would it be possible to increase the number of rugby union teams played for, beyond its current limit of 10, to say 20 for Lenny Woodard? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Names of clubs

At Talk:Francis Meli we've stumbled across a disparity in our understanding of convention on how to present the names of clubs in Template:Infobox rugby league biography (i.e. what the name was at the year the subject started at the club, or what it was when they finished). If wider opinion is available, it'd be best to hear it.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Nicknames

The nickname category was edited out without discussion. As this is a protected template could the move please be justified? Mattlore (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It was my edit and it actually didn't achieve the desired effect. The nickname parameter is frequently used for pranks and is usually unsourced; if a nickname is essential, it can be mentioned in the article. This parameter was already removed from some sports per brief (usually two-person discussions), but this is up to local projects to decide. Thus let us discuss; perhaps inviting the rugby project. Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'll notify WP:RL and see if anyone actually wants to keep it...personally I'm not too fussed, just wanted to discuss before it was removed! Mattlore (talk) 01:11, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes nicknames are worthwhile. At the moment I daresay there are several hundred articles out there which use this parameter. Would be quite a mission to go around shifting them all. In the past when the parameter has been abused I've policed it and as a result, most instances of its use are now referenced.--Jeff79 (talk) 07:34, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, I revert and stumble upon at least several unsourced rugby nicknames per day. Existing or newly added unsourced nicknames require no action - they'll just become invisible, but your sourced ones might be a problem. (Which is why this thread :). Materialscientist (talk) 07:48, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

If nicknames are that notable, I see no reason why they can't be included in the main body of the article, as is the case with The Joker as well as A-Rod and Big Ben. They're a frequent target for vandalism when placed in an infobox. Outside of snooker and darts (I noticed all three of The Rocket's names are sourced) I don't understand why there's a need for a nicknames field, and I especially don't understand why there's one for rugby league spare for a very few players such as Billy Whizz or Chariots Offiah. GW(talk) 12:19, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised by how many sports don't have the field in their bio infoboxes. I'm inclined to agree with GW. They are very much a target for vandalism. As we seem to have more rugby league bios than we have editors watching them, I think it is dangerous to have such a target. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:32, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll be better to stop using the field. Notable names, like the ones mentioned above, will still be mentioned and referenced in a body text. For the rest, I don't really need to know that "Gary's" nickname is "Gaz". LunarLander // talk // 19:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm in no way attached to the nickname being in the infobox. My concern is for worthwhile, referenced content being lost (or invisible). It's just that the removal of the parameter is going to mean a lot of work for someone (probably me) to move mention of the nickname to the lead.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

It would still mean work would be needed at some point, but perhaps we could come to a consensus that included waiting e.g. 1 year before the field was removed from the template (if that is the outcome). That way, at least, if there is a referenced nickname it will still be visible and can be moved. If there isn't one shown, we won't need to view the wiki markup to check. LunarLander // talk // 20:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes if we're going to make this change there's no need to rush into it. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The status quo doesn't severely damage the quality of our articles. We currently have two FA/GA class biographies which use this infobox, both of whom have entries in the nickname field, neither of which have had their development held back because of that. This change can wait for as long as it takes until we get it right. GW(talk) 21:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of this?

WikiProject Albums is phasing out reviews on the Infobox album.

They have a notice appear where reviews are still being displayed in the infobox (see What's Wrong with This Picture? (Van Morrison album)). It says "The reviews parameter has been deprecated. Please move reviews into the “Reception” section of the article. See Moving reviews into article space." That link goes to Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Moving infobox reviews into article space which contains stats on progress made e.g 'n% complete'.

We could perhaps do this and delete the nicknames parameter when we reach 100%. LunarLander // talk // 15:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I like it. I'll put my hand up to help out.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I'll leave this open a bit longer before looking at implementing it. LunarLander // talk // 00:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 August 2014

The "height_ft" and "height_in" parameters (which no longer appear on the template documentation, but do appear occasionally in articles) produces metric output in metres. Could this please be changed to centimetres? [2][3][4][5][6][7] Gibson Flying V (talk) 12:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

If you don't know how to do this and cannot edit the sandbox so as to do this, then please give some examples of Wikipedia articles that produce the effect that you want to change. That would be a big help. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 02:35, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Jack Wilkinson (rugby league). It uses "height (ft)" and "height (in)" parameters rather than just "height". I don't know how many more like this are out there.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not donePlease reactivate the request after including the complete and specific edit you would like performed, if you want to simply discuss what to do, this talk section is fine. — xaosflux ^Talk 13:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Built into this infobox is {{convinfobox}}. It takes in feet and inch figures and spits out metres (instead of centimetres). I suspect somewhere in there an m denoting output unit should be changed to a cm. I'm not good enough with templates to figure out anything more than that, sorry.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 15:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, well figuring that out is a perfect use for this talk page! However, the protected edit request should only be used when a specific edit is ready to go live and an administrator or template editor on patrol can accomplish it. I've changed it to the generic helpme template to attract attention until this is ready to go live. — xaosflux ^Talk 02:32, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I've looked into this, and am not sure how feasable it is. It would be much easier to change all the hight inputs into cm, and change just a few lines, while this would need a lot more (we would have to go through every piece of logic, and add a new peice so it could handle cm and m for every eventuallity.). --Mdann52talk to me! 07:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

I tried at the sandbox: would this do the trick?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:06, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Apparently not, Gibson Flying V. I tested your edits on the testcases page, and there was no difference between the live version and the sandbox. Let me massage it a little and see what I come up with. – Paine  22:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

 Done – Paine  22:41, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Paine Ellsworth. Although just one small thing: If we look at an example like Jack Wilkinson (rugby league) we can see that it has two superfluous decimal places. I think they're leftover from the two decimal places for the metres. Some '2' parameter in there somewhere might just need to change to a '0' (or removed altogether)? The weight output also should be rounded to the nearest whole number I'd say.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:44, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It's a pleasure! Can you tell me precisely where you see a superfluous decimal point? I'm getting old and can't see one anywhere. I'm sure it's just me, but even with my reading specs on, I can't see but one decimal point in the figures. I looked at both the testcases page and at the Ibox in the article itself, but could not make out another decimal point. – Paine  22:52, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

No worries. I've cut & pasted what the article displays for me below:

Height 5 ft 11 in (180.34 cm)

Weight 15 st 7 lb (98.4 kg; 217.0 lb)

I think it should display as:

Height 5 ft 11 in (180 cm)

Weight 15 st 7 lb (98 kg; 217 lb)

I wonder if it displays differently for different people.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 23:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Possibly, but I probably misunderstood you; when I think of a "superfluous" decimal point, I go looking for something like "180..34 cm" – that is, an extra "superfluous" dot. I don't agree nor disagree with what you want, but there may be those who would not want that change, at least in the weight division. If you feel strongly about it, then you might want to see what others have to say, first. – Paine  08:55, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Oops, your'e absolutely right. Sorry about the miscommunication! Just looking around elsewhere on Wikipedia I can't find another infobox that doesn't round to the nearest unit for height/weight.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 09:37, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've figured out how to do this for the height parameter and have made the changes. You will note, though, at Jack Wilkinson (rugby league) the weight parameter contains a meta-template, {{Convinfobox}}. Someone at some point entered a "rounding value" of "1" at the end of that template. If you feel like changing that to a "0" (zero), then that will get rid of the decimal point. So you would have to modify:

|weight              = {{convinfobox||kg|15|st|7|lb|1}}

to this:

|weight              = {{convinfobox||kg|15|st|7|lb|0}}

You can also go to the testcases page to see this at work. – Paine  09:58, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Additional field

Request the additional field in rep coaching as currently it only allows for five rep jobs.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:54, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 3 February 2016

Can I please have the changes detailed in the sandbox made to allow a 10th club and a 7th representative team for coaches to display in the template. Summary of edit changes here [8] and the sandbox with new code is here. These changes are based on a discussion on the project page and I have tested them here. They rely on similar changes being made to Template:Infobox rugby league biography/RL COACH which I have already requested. Mattlore (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Done Please update the documentation. Bazj (talk) 09:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Mattlore, Waited most of the day for Category:Rugby league infoboxes with too many parameters to update, still not empty. Bazj (talk) 16:39, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Bazj. Lenny Woodard is in that category for a different reason (one that I haven't yet had a chance to turn my attention to), but the fact that Wayne Bennett (rugby league) is no longer there means it has worked. I will update the documentation. Thanks Mattlore (talk) 19:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Width

I was worried something like this would happen as our beloved infobox seems to be the widest in all of wikipedia. I figured it would attract attention soon enough but I don't agree with the drastic change that's just been made (the guideline states a "standard suggested width of 300px"). I do think it should be narrowed slightly though. A way I've been thinking to do this would be to present years as "1985-86" rather than "1985-1986". This is done by typing "86" into 'yearend' fields instead of "1986". The gap between the years and the club name could be shortened slightly too I think. This might make it a more acceptible width.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Although I don't see the problem with a slightly wider infobox, especially if the standard width is only suggested, not mandatory. Did you bring it up with the other editor?  florrie  23:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Not yet. But ours wasn't slightly wider. It's much wider. I've been this close to bringing this up lately, but they beat me to it. I'm happy for it to be narrower, but not this narrow. We need more space for club names. Another thing that's keeping it wide are the long words: "Fullname" and "Nickname". I was thinking the full name could go on the first line of "Born", i.e.

Born Jeffrey Robert Smith

24 March 1979

Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

And maybe the nickname field could go altogether? It could be put in the lead? Or maybe elsewhere in the infobox like up near the name in the title? Not sure. Getting rid of these two words from the infobox will make a bit more space for the desparately squeezed team names.--Jeff79 (talk) 08:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with a small reduction in the width; but other than that I will strongly oppose. The colours and fonts for ours was fine before, and now it looks far too much like the Rugby one and I liked the uniqueness of this template and infobox. I wasn't too worried about the width and Wikipedia's policy of Ignore all rules is a benefit. I hope the editor changing this will accept this as WP:RL made consensus to change the infobox and it has been going well for nearly 12 months. If he thinks that this template has to be like {{Infobox Rugby Biography}}, then he is mistaken. I don't see a need for change.  The Windler talk  08:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:RL made consensus. Please note that WP:CONEXCEPT says:

Consensus decisions in specific cases do not automatically override consensus on a wider scale – for instance, a local debate on a WikiProject does not override the larger consensus behind a policy or guideline. The WikiProject cannot decide that for the articles within its scope, some policy does not apply, unless they can convince the broader community that doing so is right.

Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd be fine with the removal of fullname and nickname from the infobox altogether. If you look at an infobox like the baseball one [9] the name only appears at the top. The footballers full name usually (or can) go at the very beginning of the article.  florrie  11:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the baseball one, its wider than the RL bio currently is...I'd say about the width that it used to be in fact? Mattlore (talk) 12:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually comfortable with the width it is at the moment. I wasn't comfortable with it being the number one widest in all of wikipedia as it was before. With removal of 'Nickname' and 'Fullname', and the use of 2-digit 'until' years, only a pretty small number of clubs won't be able to fit their full names in.--Jeff79 (talk) 13:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

IAR is not carte blanche to do as one pleases. It is a specific rule which says that rules can be ignored if they prevent one from improving the encyclopedia. Right now my primary concern is taking the present code (which is barely-maintained and Byzantine) and turning it into something which casual editors have a reasonable chance of being able to maintain in future. The planned code changes have the additional benefit that, should the Rugby League project decide that it wants to abritrarily override the template styling, that this can be accommodated by two lines of CSS rather than by kilobytes and kilobytes of spaghetti code. For now I'll refrain from making any more style changes until they're actively hindering the cleanup work in question. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi there this appears to be an issue on some infoboxes.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:06, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Appears to vary from browser to browser. Any infobox fixes that can be put in place?Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Still appears to be an issue in IE, firefox and others.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Someone has given it a go, but still not fixed.Theanonymousentry (talk) 13:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Bump.Theanonymousentry (talk) 09:12, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 4 July 2016

Seeking to edit this infobox template to allow for longer team names as currently the infobox pushes relatively short club or rep team names onto a second row, which is obviously undesirable.Theanonymousentry (talk) 09:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Can you provide an example? I checked a few and didn't see any problem. It will probably depend on what kind of monitor you are using to view the page. It is generally not a good idea to try and "fix" widths like this. There is a reason to restrict the width because you don't want the infobox stretching too far over the screen. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:51, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

JT, GI to name a few of the prominent ones. Names have been shortened to fit in the small gap, ie Manly rather than Manly Sea Eagles, Canterbury rather than Canterbury Bulldogs, London rather than London Broncos, Prime Ministers 13 rather than Prime Minister's XIII, New Sth Wales rather than New South Wales, Nth Qld Cowboys rather than North Queensland Cowboys etc. Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Infobox modules

Does this infobox support module embedding? For example:

1. |module= for when another career infobox should be embedded in the rugby biography
2. |embed=yes for when it would be embedded in another infobox such as {{infobox person}},{{infobox officeholder}} or another sport biography

There are a number of sportsperson infoboxes in Category:Biographical templates usable as a module but not this one. I was wondering if there is a reason it should not be embedded? --Scott Davis ^Talk 07:53, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Glenn Lazarus
Lazarus in 2007
Senator for Queensland
In office 1 July 2014 – 2 July 2016
Personal details
Born	Glenn Patrick Lazarus (1965-12-11) 11 December 1965 Queanbeyan, New South Wales, Australia
Political party	Palmer United Party (2014–2015) Independent (2015) Glenn Lazarus Team (2015–present)
Occupation	Rugby league footballer
Nickname	The brick with eyes
Rugby league career
Playing information
Height	188 cm (6 ft 2 in)
Weight	115 kg (18 st 2 lb)
Position	Prop
Club Years Team Pld T G FG P 1987–91 Canberra Raiders 92 10 0 0 40 1992–97 Brisbane Broncos 118 9 0 0 36 1998–99 Melbourne Storm 44 2 1 0 10 Total 254 21 1 0 86 Representative Years Team Pld T G FG P 1989–99 New South Wales 19 2 0 0 8 1997 New South Wales (SL) 3 0 0 0 0 1990–99 Australia 21 1 0 0 4 1997 Australia (SL) 1 0 0 0 0
Source: NRL Stats

Glenn Lazarus
Lazarus in 2007
Senator for Queensland
In office 1 July 2014 – 2 July 2016
Personal details
Born	Glenn Patrick Lazarus (1965-12-11) 11 December 1965 Queanbeyan, New South Wales, Australia
Political party	Palmer United Party (2014–2015) Independent (2015) Glenn Lazarus Team (2015–present)
Occupation	Rugby league footballer
Nickname	The brick with eyes
Rugby league career
Playing information
Height	188 cm (6 ft 2 in)
Weight	115 kg (18 st 2 lb)
Position	Prop
Club Years Team Pld T G FG P 1987–91 Canberra Raiders 92 10 0 0 40 1992–97 Brisbane Broncos 118 9 0 0 36 1998–99 Melbourne Storm 44 2 1 0 10 Total 254 21 1 0 86 Representative Years Team Pld T G FG P 1989–99 New South Wales 19 2 0 0 8 1997 New South Wales (SL) 3 0 0 0 0 1990–99 Australia 21 1 0 0 4 1997 Australia (SL) 1 0 0 0 0
Source: NRL Stats

Could someone familiar with this template and/or Rugby to review the changes I have made to the sandbox please? The effect is to add an |embed= parameter to the infobox so that it looks better embedded in another infobox. The "personal information" section is only shown if there is something to show (which there might not be if it is in the parent infobox instead). The two copies of the infobox at right embed the current and sandbox versions for comparison. The testcases subpage appears identical to me as embedding is not tested. Thank you. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

References

Refactoring to use infobox

Scott Davis, I didn't notice your comments here until after I started working on a version based on {{infobox}}. I believe I got the basic embedding functionality, see the testcases, but I probably missed something that you had in your version. Frietjes (talk) 22:42, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

@Frietjes: it looks fine to me thank you. The title "Rugby League Career"/"Rugby league career" is rendered differently in your version than in the sandbox (I have no idea if there is a "right way" it should appear, nor if either style is "right"), and using the |embed=yes gets a warning about an unknown parameter, however the parameter appears to work properly despite the warning. Thank you. --Scott Davis ^Talk 00:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

great. the warning should be fixed now, and I have completed the update to use {{infobox}} which allows for more predictable embedding / module functionality. Frietjes (talk) 14:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Hey guys, great work on the refactoring - I once had a look at this but decided I didn't have the skills to feasibly do it! Just one question, it seems that clubnumber & currentclub are now displaying in infoboxes when I think they were previously a depreciated, hidden field. @Frietjes:, did something change in the switch, or have I just mis-remembered the previous status quo? Mattlore (talk) 03:32, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Mattlore, I just add a new test case, and you are correct. that section was probably commented out before, and I accidentally enabled it. I will hide them again. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 13:39, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Awesome, loving the work - keep it up! Mattlore (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Issues in chrome

Edits to this template over the last year or so have caused an issue in chrome, with the years going to two lines, even on a sub twenty letter team. Could someone with the necessary skills or one of the editors who made the change please look into this as this appears to a chrome only issue, with no other browser affected.Fleets (talk) 08:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Fleets, I added some 'white-space:nowrap' to the years cells. if this causes unintended problems we can always explore alternatives. Frietjes (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks and always happy to filter back results, as I'm afraid I can't offer too much in the way of coding. Again much appreciated.Fleets (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Method 1

Personal information
Weight	115 kg (254 lb; 18 st 2 lb)

Method 2

Personal information
Weight	115 kg (18 st 2 lb)

Method 3

Personal information
Weight	115 kg (254 lb; 18 st 2 lb)

User:Theanonymousentry is reporting that the convert functionality isn't working for him using Chrome. Mattlore (talk) 22:52, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Only in this infobox, or in general? Because the conversion happens outside of this template. Primefac (talk) 12:31, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

I imagine the wrong conversion is being applied to this infobox as stlb and kg are the weight conversions of interest here, certainly not lb as a primary outcome.Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:39, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mattlore, Theanonymousentry, and Primefac: does this edit fix the problem? Frietjes (talk) 15:36, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Could do. We haven't been linked to an instance where it doesn't work, and I honestly haven't bothered looking for one. Primefac (talk) 15:39, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to as it shows the kg (lb, stlb) which would be quite odd for this infobox.Theanonymousentry (talk) 15:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Primefac, I believe the issue is that the three input methods now shown above/right are inconsistent, and in particular, there is desire for all three to produce the output seen in Method 2. I, personally, see no problem with having two outputs per the example in MOS:CONVERSIONS (since stones is not a common unit in the US). Frietjes (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Theanonymousentry, I've tested this diff in Chrome and I see "Weight 86 kg (190 lb; 13 st 8 lb)" so the convert function seems to be working. If your complaint was how it is displayed, then rather than add the convert function to each infobox you should get it changed here. Mattlore (talk) 19:42, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Method 2 would appear to be the standard conversion out of kilograms for human weight and the rugby league infobox. Obviously more than happy for an Australian or New Zealand based player to display that as standard, and avoid the necessity to input the convert function.Theanonymousentry (talk) 20:37, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Not displaying 13th club year properly

The to present feature is not working correctly for the infobox. The present displays the word and not the desired output. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.Fleets (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Fleets, have an article this is error is showing on? Primefac (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Oliver Wilkes is an example. I believe I fixed the typo in Template:Infobox rugby league biography/RL. Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Yup, that would do it. Primefac (talk) 14:45, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for the change.Fleets (talk) 15:20, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Not displaying 18th club properly

Hi there. Was just wondering if someone could look at the functionality players who have played for say 20 clubs. Just an issue with real journeymen and last few clubs not displaying beyond 15 clubs in the infobox.Fleets (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Fleets, at the moment the template doesn't handle more than 15 clubs. Are you saying it should handle up to 20? Are there any players who have done this? Primefac (talk) 20:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi there, Jamie Thackray and his 20 year plus career means that his last few years playing in London and returning back to Doncaster are not visible.Fleets (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough. I think I can tweak the infobox to make it less unsightly, and include the extra params, using {{for loop}}. Primefac (talk) 20:28, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

In the meantime...  Done with the easy way. Primefac (talk) 20:36, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Thankyou very much indeed.Fleets (talk) 21:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

medal templates

Please add the "medal_templates". It already exist in Template:Infobox basketball biography. CherryPie94 (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

| belowstyle = {{Infobox rugby league biography/style|{{{team}}}}}
| below = {{#if:{{{medal_templates|{{{medaltemplates|}}}}}}|{{Infobox medal templates
   | title      = Medals
   | titlestyle = background-color: #DCDCDC; color: #000000;
   | medals     = {{{medal_templates|{{{medaltemplates|}}}}}}
   | expand     = {{#if:{{{medal_templates-expand|{{{medaltemplates-expand|}}}}}}|{{{medal_templates-expand|{{{medaltemplates-expand|}}}}}}|{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{show-medals}}}}}|no||yes}}}}
   }}
 }}

CherryPie94, added, but using different code. let me know if there is a problem. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Frietjes, it works well as seen in Kato Ottio page. Thanks! Can "death_cause" be added too? Template:Infobox person has it.

CherryPie94, that will require discussion. Frietjes (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

As of.... |updated = for retired players not displaying

I'm not sure if this is intentional or undesired, but it appears that the updated as of date does not appear for retired players.Fleets (talk) 12:17, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

It is intentional, presumably because a retired individual's statistics are not going to be changing on a regular basis. Primefac (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I thought it might be intentional. Was just thinking of coaches stats and recently retired players, and players stats being months out of date and left that way. More for the coaches though tbh.Fleets (talk) 18:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have it for coaches? I've not floated it as an idea, as I could not implement it, but just wondered if it was a possibility?Fleets (talk) 10:45, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

|updated= doesn't show only if the |retired= parameter is being used. One would expect an active coach would not be listed as "retired" and thus the parameter should show up. Primefac (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 March 2018

Please update with this sandbox version. which removes sizedefault=240px from the call to module:InfoboxImage. Per WP:IMAGESIZE (MOS:IMGSIZE/WP:INFOBOXIMAGE both links to that page) 220px is default, but users can change the size in preferences. When the size is hard coded it will be e.g. 240px for all. See Template:Infobox_rugby_league_biography/testcases#Test_case_5:_large_#_clubs for a test. My preferences is 300px and the images is significant larger. Christian75 (talk) 13:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

done, and added |image_upright= to allow for image scaling (without setting a hard-coded px width). Frietjes (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 March 2018

Change "bodystyle = width: 25em" to 22em as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Infoboxes#Consistency_between_infoboxes. Gibson Flying V (talk) 03:08, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Cabayi (talk) 08:36, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Could this please be rolled back. This has pushed alot of players to have even small club names such as the Brisbane Broncos to display on two lines. Many thanks in advance for returning to the status quo.Fleets (talk) 19:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Fleets, Gibson Flying V, and Cabayi: now undone for discussion. can we have an example in the testcases? could be fixed with a nowrap in the stats table. Frietjes (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Undone why? You just took Fleets' word for it? Brisbane Broncos looked absolutely fine in my browser. I'd have thought the solution would be, as you say, using nowrap for the few names that push the infobox outside the suggested width, not defaulting back to being 100% outside the suggested width.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 22:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Should stats be updated after every appearance?

I just wanted to get to clarification / consensus on when the stats in the infobox should be updated. I have quite a few articles on my watchlist, and I have noticed that some people, mainly IP users, are updating the statistics in the infobox when that player / coach has a game. It was my understanding that because the Infobox has a field for the last update date, that it should only be updated periodically, and the last update date changed when it is. I have no reason to suspect that the data is incorrect (so doesn't need reverting for that reason), but because the last update date is not being changed in these edits someone could mistake them having higher statistics. Should the last update date be changed every time an IP makes an update, or should the stats be reverted to the last version which was source-checked? --Reader781 (talk) 23:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

The "as of" updated field should be filled to show when the statistics are correct to. Both statistics and the updated field should only be filled at the conclusion of the match, as we are all aware that tries, goals and one pointers can happen at any time during the fixture, and that a player named as an interchange might not make an appearance off the bench.Fleets (talk) 14:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

"New" parameter and "Australian Schoolboys" category

I'm proposing that we remove the |new= parameter from this template. There is no documentation about what it should be used for, either in the template or in the two related cats; in addition, I found most of the articles in the "updated" category had |new=yes from the very first time the IB was placed. It's clearly not serving whatever purpose it was originally intended for (which appears to be indicating that the template "isn't complete"?).

I also believe that it's time to remove the Australian Schoolboys tracking cat, since from what I gather in previous discussions this was used to remove AS usage (which it seems to have done). Primefac (talk) 16:22, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

NRL games

A user keeps "updating stats" on many NRL players that are a few games different from their actual NRL tallies, without explanation of where the extra numbers come from. IMO, this parameter should be for NRL games only.. Cameron Smith plays his 400th, but when someone checks his Wikipedia page, it says 403. Confusing, as evidenced by it being fixed over and over, only for the slightly off numbers to be reinstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.71.154 (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

The infobox is for Challenge Cup, World Cup, Regal Trophy, SOO, Tri-Nations, Super League, Challenge Cup, WCC, etc. There is more to the infobox than the NRL.Fleets (talk)

Where is this change documented? Surely you didn't just decide this for yourself? And why only some players e.g. Darren Lockyer's has the expected 355 games, whilst Hazem El Masri who should be 317, had his changed to 324. And Terry Lamb is 350, but would have played a number of pre-season and mid-week games.. are these counted? And how do you tell?. Again, IMO, should go back to NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL games only, as this is what a reader would expect.

Origin games are often played during midweek, and wouldn't know what Challenge Cup, World Cup, Regal Trophy, SOO, Tri-Nations, Super League, Challenge Cup, WCC, etc games Terry Lamb had played, but a reader would expect to have their top level career detailed in the infobox, not just home games, non-representative fixtures only or Saturday afternoons only.Fleets (talk) 07:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

With Cameron Smith there are, as of writing, 402 NRL matches plus 3 World Club Challenges: [10]. Nothing in the infobox says that it's only counting NRL matches for Melbourne. It seems logical to count all competitive fixtures for a club, which would include World Club Challenges and Challenge Cups. That's what the soccer wikiproject does: appearances include FA Cups and the like but not pre-season friendlies. Pre-season matches should not count; competitive mid-week cup matches from back in the day probably should. Does anyone have the Collis & Whitaker almanac and know how they approach it? --Mkativerata (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

RLP is the only place that lumps together different Australian competitions (but excludes others e.g. the mid-week and pre-season comps) in that way. So it won't be found elsewhere, won't be expected, and of course what should be the definitive source has Smith on 403 games [11], not 406. If miscellaneous other games are to be noted, why not create another parameter? Also, as pointed out before, this is recent change, the bulk of infoboxes will still be just be first grade NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL games.

I wouldn't object to that. I don't really mind either way, as long as we're consistent, including as between NRL and Super League (ie we should count the Challenge Cup). --Mkativerata (talk) 00:42, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Thursday evening NRL games and midweek SOO games definitely belong in the infobox. The infobox is for the English speaking world; Australia is part of the world, it is the not the rugby league world. We can't have one rule for the rest of the world, and then one for two states inside a country. Recognised games featuring top sides belong in the infobox; ie SOO, NRL, Challenge Cup, Regal Trophy, European Super League, WCC, NSWRL, old NZRL comp, etc. A new parameter as a delimiter for domestic games held only within NSW or Queensland would still sit within the body text, as they do currently for statistics to demarcate them from all of their top level career games.Fleets (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

There is no debate about midweek NRL matches - they definitely count - the question is what to do about the old Amco Cup.—Mkativerata (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The AMCO Cup was a recognised top tier trophy. In the UK there was the Challenge Cup and the midweek floodlit games. Both of those cup competitions are included in the UK history books, and they count for the players regardless of whether they are English, Australian, New Zealander or wherever. A pre-season game such as the Vince Karalius Cup, or the Charity Shield in Australia is not included in the statistics as they are pre-season friendlies and are not recognised as official first team statistics.Fleets (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

You won't find Amco/Tooth Cup and the various pre-season cups recognised within NSWRL/ARL/SL/NRL stats either, and if it weren't for RLP, no WCC as well. Anyway, I've said my piece, you can include whatever games you decide are first grade, but I'm telling you, that's not the convention in Australian rugby league.

Error tracking

|nickname= was removed in Jan 2018 but usage not in Category:Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters. Frietjes ? MB 15:52, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Update, there are hundreds with nickname in the tracking cat. But this was one I saw that wasn't. MB 16:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

not sure why it wasn't there. I just regenerated the list of parameters in the tracking and that one wasn't added or subtracted. Frietjes (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Frietjes, It still looks like something is not working. I removed |nickname= from David_Fifita_(rugby_league,_born_1989), so it shouldn't be in the category anymore. But if you go back before my edit, on the preview I see the message saying "nickname" is an unknown para but it isn't in the cat either. This was not the only one; I found them as I was fixing thumbnail images. MB 21:41, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

MB seems to be working for me. there are nearly 1000 entries in Pages using infobox rugby league biography with unknown parameters so it's easy to find one using nickname, like Aaron McCloskey, which is in the tracking category. Frietjes (talk) 12:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Extra fields needed

Would someone be able to add some extra fields to the coaching section of the template? It currently shows a maximum of ten different teams, but the late Maurice Bamford coached at more than that so there's a few clubs which don't show in the infobox. J Mo 101 (talk) 08:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not going to say no, since it's a reasonable request (though I won't do it right now), but I have a related question - he coached Leeds on two different occasions and Bramley on three, should we not just combine each one into a single |coachteamX= parameter? It might be needed if we can't break up stats (e.g. on RL Project they just give the stats per-team). Primefac (talk) 15:54, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't really like using RLP for pre-Super League stats because it's so incomplete, but it's not too difficult to work out the stats for each coaching spell by viewing the individual match log here. I'm not sure if other editors do it differently, but I think listing the coaching history in chronological order is preferable, if possible. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

I guess that was what I was wondering - if people would prefer to have things chronologically or by team. I suppose pure chronological would be the easiest to read. Primefac (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

This is  Done by the way. Primefac (talk) 14:33, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Could this also be done for international teams as unless I'm being thick Wayne Bennett will not have his GB stats on the infobox unless there is a change to allow it.Fleets (talk) 08:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

At the moment he only has 8 teams, is his IB missing 3 internationals? Primefac (talk) 10:43, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

GB would be the 9th team in his "Representative" section.Fleets (talk) 20:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay. There's support for 10 teams in the template, and I've expanded the /COACH template to handle 15, but I won't expand the template itself until it gets to be necessary. Primefac (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Could I please request additional club team fields be added as Jamie Thackray does not have his current club displayed, as being somewhat of a journeyman, now playing for his 21st club, this appears to be the limit of the current infobox. Many thanks in advance.Fleets (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take care of that. Primefac (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, much appreciated.Fleets (talk) 21:25, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Representative to present

In 1.2.2 RL representative players there is a Note: Don't use "present" for the year end, as a representative team by its nature is not continuous. Does anyone know why this is place, as it certainly can give the reader the wrong impression, ie retired from internationals, no longer representing state, no longer eligible for a minor representative side. It also does not help the reader to understand who the player plays for, when they have represented more than one nation at international level. We would also fall foul of every seemingly every other project who consider it crystal balling to remove the present. Just wondering how we ended up alone in this position so that it can be understood.Fleets (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

No idea why the note is there, though I would guess it has to do with the somewhat non-scheduled nature of being on an international squad. Let's assume a player gets picked up for Squad X for some 2020 matches. The might not be picked for the 2021 squad, so we cannot just say "2020-present" because that's not really true. Similarly, if a player was picked for 2019 and 2021 but not 2020, it would be technically incorrect to say |years=2019-2021 instead of |years=2019, 2021 (and note that the union template will often see uses for the Lions or Barbarians where the latter happens).

On a note regarding the last point, I don't think we're "falling afoul" of anyone (see my previous on the union players), and from what I've seen of our user base a lot of the international players will be regularly updated anyway. Primefac (talk) 11:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate that, and I had seen the Lions players who were linked by tours, with every four years linked to. I can see it both ways, just seems strange that we are calling no "to-present" for rep out so specifically. Soccer seems to be you only end it when you state international retirement or when you retire, and that has obvious flaws to. Failings on having it as a rule, and not, but nice to hear some context from other sports and also that it's a rule that we don't know where it came from.Fleets (talk) 18:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

I wasn't around when the MoS was implemented, but it makes sense. I've seen many, many cases of players who had been left out of international squads for a long time, but their infobox was still saying they were presently in the team. Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

To some it closes off their international career, to others it says that they were currently in the squad. I can understand and appreciate both sides, but tend to agree with the association football version Template:Infobox football biography and you remain to present until you state international retirement or retired as a professional. Their position is that it gives the reader the impression that a player has retired from international football when they see the years closed off. That position has faults as a 1 cap wonder could be to present for 15 years without making another squad, and similarly our RL position would give the impression that a regular player on the international stage had retired. Just interesting how things get set in stone, and no one knows why we ended up on one side of an argument/postition.Fleets (talk) 10:32, 20 April 2021 (UTC)