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Overlink & Reflist

You make a fair point about linking a team that is not in the infobox. I personally don't, as I see it fit to just link it once in the article. The reason being, the infobox is for the full notable first-grade teams, when it comes to the junior clubs I just see it fine to link once as they're not notable enough to have multiple links in my opinion. Josh the newcastle fan (talk) 06:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

That's cool and the article should take preference of over the infobox every day of the week. I guess if someone is confused they will take the time to read the article and find out that way. Cheers for your feedback.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:08, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

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James segyaro

Why have you removed my edit to James Segeyaro. 109.155.85.69 (talk) 16:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Because it was less accurate then the previous edit. This has since been further improved, but please feel free to add to the factual information about his desire to remove himself from his Leeds contract and the desire to move home to his adopted home, Australia.Theanonymousentry (talk) 10:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

You are less acurate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.85.69 (talk) 17:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

109.155.85.69 (talk) 18:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I have since further increased the accuracy of the page.Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:35, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Well IT is not accurate as he has left the club 109.155.85.69 (talk) 07:27, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

This edit has been checked by an administrator after difficulties with placing a source on the article, I am happy to stop the edit war if you leave the admistrators edits alone. Thanks 109.155.85.69 (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

For your reference the administrator was (user:JustBerry also helped after using help me template twice see my page for help me request) user:Huon.

There is no edit war, a contract is in place and until that is dissolved the status quo was the most correct version in place.Theanonymousentry (talk) 14:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

I agree that you're edit is slightly more accurate than User:Huon's edit so I've left it alone. Thanks 109.155.85.69 (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

That's cool. Thanks to you too.Theanonymousentry (talk) 15:33, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

'less-than-or-equals' sign, and/or the 'greater-than-or-equals' signs in the rugby league infobox

Hi Theanonymousentry, I believe its worth noting that when I've used the 'less-than-or-equals' sign, and/or the 'greater-than-or-equals' signs in the rugby league infobox, it's because there is information that indicates that a player was at a club at that point in time, but no information as to whether they were at that club before, or after that point in time. Consequently, just removing the '≤', and/or '≥' signs gives the impression that these area "hard" from-to dates, which unfortunately they aren't. I'm unsure as to what the best solution is… just removing the dates would devalue the article, perhaps adding a'?' to the date would be better, but this seems a little ambiguous, your thoughts? Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 21:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from with regards to removing it gives it the authoritative position of definition. I would say that perhaps that this could be covered in the body text, alluding to signing and leaving dates. My position would come from one of coding, and the infobox really isn't set up to handle the extra characters.Theanonymousentry (talk) 15:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Glenn Lazarus and infoboxes

Good evening. After you reverted my edit to Glenn Lazarus, I have modified the Template:Infobox rugby league biography/sandbox to satisfy your concerns. I requested on the template talk page for someone to review my changes, but it looks like you might be the right person to approach directly? Thank you. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:34, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi there. I will say that your work looks great to me. They have satisfied my concerns, that the rugby league element had shrunk. To me it looks like a good transclusion, although there may be some editors out there who who see the nickname in the wrong place and such small things, but to me it is a great step forward.Theanonymousentry (talk) 14:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

No bot

Per this (repeated) reversal I am not using a bot - my edit is a considered edit pointing to numerous policies and guidelines. We generally list only one official site, and for most subjects that is their official website. This subject seems not to have one, so we have to chose one of the social networking sites. This person is not specifically known for either facebook nor twitter, so one is enough, and the facebook is giving enough information. No need for a linkfarm, unless you have reasons why both the twitter and facebook of the subject are pertinent. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 13:43, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I've seen you do it to others with only the one social media link, so I assumed that is was a misfiring bot, rather than human error.Theanonymousentry (talk) 10:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

It is not human error - our policies, guideline and template instructions advice against the inclusion of these links, and I am therefore deliberately removing them. They do not add anything in by far most of the cases. These links do not belong as per repeated discussion in many places. I have therefore reverted your last reversion - the official website is linked (already making other official links not needed), moreover, both the twitter and facebook are rather prominently linked from the already listed page. All that the facebook and twitter are adding is hence already provided by the already listed external link. We are not writing a linkfarm.

If you think that they belong, then you obviously seem to disagree with our inclusion standards, and hence I would suggest that that consensus gets re-established. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:45, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I found a page where all two were removed. Again, the olive branch was that it was human error, and not a misfiring bot after all.Theanonymousentry (talk) 10:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, all social networks are removed .. can you point me to the error? The choice is not 'one official website, and one social networking site ..'. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Then that is not per the links you are using to mark your edits. I would advise you to re-read the linked pages in a rationale manner and see things in a purely dispassionate way because at the minute you are linking pages that do not support your edits, or more correctly do not wholly support them, only partially, or only up to a point.

I've been there, this has been thoroughly discussed with others, and my viewpoint, that these links do not belong here, is supported (on my talkpage, on the talkpage of the EL guideline, and on several noticeboards. If you think that inclusion of social networking links, especially next to already mentioned official site, is supported, then I would like you to explain that to me, to me, it does not say that at all. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I have again brought this to wider attention, as I do not think that our policies and guidelines support inclusion of twitters, facebooks, instagrams, google+s, etc. etc., especially not next to already listed official sites, and especially not next to already listed official sites that prominently link to said social networking sites. Please join the discussion here. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 11:31, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jack Bussey

The article Jack Bussey has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

fails WP:RLN as hasn't played in a Super League match, and not enough sources to meet GNG

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{{nowrap|Hull Kingston Rovers}}

Hi Theanonymousentry , could I please ask a favour of you? I'm using the Chrome browser, and the {{nowrap|Hull Kingston Rovers}} in the infobox appears to cause the years of the Mickey Paea to wrap onto 2-lines. However, on other similar articles, e.g. Sam Smith (rugby league), {{nowrap|Hull Kingston Rovers}} doesn't appear to wrap the years. Would it be possible for you to have a quick look, to see why this might be the case? Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Flags in European current templates

Hello there, I have been asked by another member of WPRL to widen the conversation on "Flags in European current templates", in the hope to gain a wider consensus. I imagine that this message may well never be read, dismissed, see me lose support, potentially gain some or take the discussion forwards. Please do take the time to read the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rugby_league#Flags_in_squad_templates if you can, but the crux of my position is that the flags are prevalent elsewhere, are consistent with usage by the MOS, and their implementation for their rugby league national squad/team or representative nationality, is in line with their intended purpose. The crux of the remove side would be an IP editor may interpret a flag as indication of birth, give too much credence to the nation, and the decision was made previously. To remove them from all rugby league templates when there is a limited conversation would seem more than a little unfair I would say, hence the attempt to reach out. I'm quite happy to voted down, but would appreciate a few more voices to the discussion, else it would seem quite wrong to move from the majority into the minority.Fleets (talk) 19:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Navbox

Hi, what is your rationale for including an out of date navbox that doesn't include the player. It will confuse readers as they will think the player is not in the current squad. Mattlore (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Probably not the way I would have phrased that, but surely they would be more confused by the current club not having a navbox at the bottom.Theanonymousentry (talk) 20:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I disagree because I think the average reader wouldn't expect a navbox (or even know what one is). Only the editors like us would expect one and be potentially confused until they see it is still there but hidden.

Either way its a relatively minor disagreement as we both agree on what the endgame is - an updated navbox that is included in all the relevant articles! Unfortunately some of the English ones are very out of date and I don't have the local knowledge to be able to fix them. Mattlore (talk) 20:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I would like to think that the average reader would see it and understand. At that point it would raise the question and yes some would be confused and others would see it as out of date. Regardless they should be updated and perhaps that is something that people can be encouraged to do. The only negative to that is that you may find that people don't want to do mass club updates now, and then again in two months time with fresh squad numbers. But agree that they should be updated.Theanonymousentry (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

"present" in infobox

As I understand it, "present" should never be used in the infox for a rep player.

Template:Infobox rugby league biography states: For RL players who have also played representative football Note: Don't use "present" for the year end, as a representative team by its nature is not continuous.

At very least, discuss before changing any more. Doctorhawkes (talk) 10:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Thought it would be logical with the World Cup starting this week, but if you want to wait a day or two I can live with that.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:02, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand. Present is never used, even in the midst of a World Cup. Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Why?Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I can't say for sure, as I believe the format was agreed upon before I started editing. To me, it seems silly to change them all to present and then back. It also seems strange to have players listed as current members of the team before they have even made their debut. But that's just me.

Look, there may be plenty of support for changing the MOS, but you need to get consensus first.Doctorhawkes (talk) 11:49, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I had stayed away from players who had only played in the recent warm up games. Can I please ask for a link to the MOS as I cannot see one for this.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:52, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

It's in my first message.Doctorhawkes (talk) 12:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Scanned it again, but cannot see it on that page.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Like the good Doctor said, it's a well established convention - since before even I started editing I think. So if you want to change it for the RLWC, then it will definitely require a discussion and consensus. Mattlore (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I would have said it would be logical for it to remain open for the pre-determined period and that it would counter-intuitive for it to close. Would confuse immensely more to close, rather than remain open. If the confused would be the initiated, then the hidden note would clearly cover that. I would expect thanks, not just following orders, but you can raise it if you want to go to the Eastern front angle.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:33, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

More than happy to go through the box ticking exercise though if it was the common courtesy angle you were pumping.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the way Wikipedia works is you need to establish consensus if you want to change a long standing consensus, so I do think it is something we need to discuss before it happens. Mattlore (talk) 19:55, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Couldn't see it as a consensus, merely something resembling an unwritten rule, but as before more than happy to box tick.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced nicknames

Hi, like everything you add to Wikipedia, you need to have a reference for the nicknames you are adding to infoboxes. In the past we have had problems with editors making up nicknames and adding them and that is why they need to be sourced. Mattlore (talk) 19:25, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Thought you were just being petty, but if there was a reason behind it, then I can understand.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:26, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

If we both AGF then we'll be more productive for the project :) But yes, nicknames can be a touchy subject and there was a push a while back to remove the field from the infobox, so I just want to make sure we don't "abuse and lose" it! Having them well referenced is the best way to show we are using it responsibly. Mattlore (talk) 20:15, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

True, and I was unaware of them being a touchy subject. Make sense.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:36, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Small text in infoboxes

Hi, it is not very helpful to make text in infoboxes too small to read. It is not a problem at all if the captions go into "four lines". FunkMonk (talk) 16:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Queensland Cup

Hi, why are you edit warring to include Queensland Cup statistics in some infoboxes but not others? You should discuss, explain your logic and seek consensus to achieve this change if you want it to happen rather than randomly trying to insert them in some biographies and not others. Mattlore (talk) 19:02, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Because of the wholly justifiable reason for their input. It was explained. There is no sense of randomness, but their certainly appears to be a fair bit of creep, after reading where the directive on Qld and NSW cup teams come from, and not creep that plays in your favour dear brother.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:41, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

What is that reason? Can you also link to the "directive" please. Mattlore (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Please do your research, then come back to me and at that point we can have an informed conversation. I do not feel the need to educate you, talk down to you or lecture you. I have taken the time to do my research, please feel free to do the same.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:56, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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No worries. I saw them as uncontroversial, and got sidetracked before I could come back to them, or anyone else had updated them, they had been removed again.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:56, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Rugby league player biography introductions…

Hi Theanonymousentry, I believe the addition of the word 'former', and change from, e.g. '…1960s, playing at club level…' → '…1960s. He played at club level…', could likely be achieved using AutoWikiBrowser (AWB) on the majority of the rugby league player biography introductions, as I initiated the articles in a boilerplate fashion. I had previously considered using the word 'former' in the introductions, but as the playing decades were generally in-the-past I decided 'former' was sort of inferred, so I decided against using it, but 'former' does confirm that the player is no longer a current player, and I feel 'former' is much better than the use of the word 'retired', as that to me indicates they're a Pensioner. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi there DynamoDegsy. I will certainly look into that, and had considered it, but didn't look in too much detail as there are so many different styles out there. I try and fit a word or phrase that works as a suitable sentence. Trying not to make it too long or short, and also try to consider that we write for the fans and those are just looking at a page for the first time. I totally agree, when I see retired I see pensioner, and that does not work for a 40 year-old former rugby league footballer. I'm not sure anyone can retire from this game straight after playing. Cheers I will look into the AWB angle over the coming weeks.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Theanonymousentry, I've run AutoWikiBrowser and it appears to have made (hopefully) constructive edits to 7500+ rugby league biographies. It'll have likely missed some that are in a non-boilerplate style. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 18:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Theanonymousentry, I've manually searched out and edited a few stragglers... please let me know if you spot any others. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Wow that is real great work. I looked into AWB over the last few weeks, and yeah it looks like alot of the wording has been improved on a vast number of rugby league players articles. That might have taken me a decent amount of time to do, so AWB has done the trick. Massive thanks for putting in the work to put that into action.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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I could remove the comma from, e.g. 1900s, and 1910s, etc. via AutoWikiBrowser…

Hi Theanonymousentry, I could save you a job, and remove the comma from, e.g. 1900s, and 1910s, etc. via AutoWikiBrowser the next time I do a "big run". Best regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

That would be cool. My thoughts were that it couldn't be targeted in that way, ie only in a list. If it can be targeted then that would be super.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:28, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I believe I should be able to target it accurately, so I'll add it as a minor change in my next AutoWikiBrowser run. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:04, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Sounds cool.Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

I think I've removed all the serial commas, e.g. 1900s, and 1910s from the rugby league articles. Best regards DynamoDegsy (talk) 19:11, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Serial commas

I notice that you have been removing serial commas from several articles without explaining why. In general there is nothing wrong with such commas. I have reverted your unexplained action for several articles. Removing such a comma seems especially strange for the Oxford spelling article, since such commas are also known as Oxford commas because – like Oxford spelling – they tend to be used in the Oxford writing style. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:22, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

It may well have been correctly placed in that article. In others, not so.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:27, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Sister project links

I noted that in Periodic table and Iron you moved the {{Sister project links}} and {{Commons}} templates to a different section. However, per their documentation they were in the right place. So I reverted. Did you find other placement rules somewhere? - DePiep (talk) 17:25, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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I'm not quite sure why you are adding, e.g. [[England]] into the 'Background' section of the rugby league player biography articles…

I'm not quite sure why you are adding, e.g. [[England]] into the 'Background' section of the rugby league player biography articles, as it already states 'England' in the 'Infobox', and 'English' in the introductory paragraph, and in any case, it's a well-known place name, and so it shouldn't even be linked. DynamoDegsy (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Being born in England, and English are not one and the same. That is before we even take international allegiances into account. We would also need to consider that whilst this is the English language site, it is for more than just people from England, and that they might not be too familiar with certain villages and towns in England. Hopefully that sheds some light on the matter.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

"Being born in England, and English are not one and the same."… the only exception to this would be if a players parents were foreign nationals, and even then the player would likely have been eligible for a British passport (there is no English passport), the articles already state 'England' in the 'Infobox'. In addition I have noticed that you have also been removing, e.g. "English born" from the articles of players who have played for, e.g. Ireland… to paraphrase; "playing for Ireland, and being Irish are not one and the same"', particularly in the context of playing international rugby league, if the player was not born in Ireland then these players will inevitably have been born in, e.g. England, or Australia, and they will be British, or Australian passport holders, but as we do not have access to their passport (and the passport would be a primary source, and so not admissible in Wikipedia), it is obviously preferable to give their country of birth, e.g. "English born", or "Australian born", rather than say they are Irish, when they may never have even been to Ireland. DynamoDegsy (talk) 14:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

And I would be correct in removing the uncited, potentially irrelevant to the lead, duplicated in multiple locations, etc. To state English-born in an intro would leave a garbled sentence that both confuses the reader, disrupts the flow of the sentence is not relevant to their career. It would be very relevant to their background, to their heritage, their schooling, their junior career, etc. Hopefully that has put your mind at ease.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

So you're planning to manually remove the nationality from the lede (not lead) of each and every rugby league (no scratch that EVERY) biography article on Wikipedia? Meanwhile… valuable articles remain uncreated, references rot, and categories decay… wow… just wow. DynamoDegsy (talk)

No. I used that as an example as to why it was inappropriate, and most MOS' do not include it in the intro, instead place them in the background section, early life or birth section. I like to improve the body text of current articles. Creating articles is too much hard work, and if I strictly followed the rules of referencing there would not be many words to each article. I don't have a great deal of interest in categories I'm afraid. As before I am not planning to remove nationalities from the first line across the board, no way.Theanonymousentry (talk) 15:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

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I see you're the tempting the wrath of user 'Gibson Flying V' again…

I see you're the tempting the wrath of user 'Gibson Flying V' again by changing, e.g. "rugby league footballer of the 2000s" to, e.g. "rugby league footballer who played in the 2000s". DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

It is better to avoid a reader thinking that they were born in a time period or that to many people the 2000s would cover a great many years, not just 2000 to 2009. Just looking to avoid confusion and have the opening sentence flow in a more organic manner.Theanonymousentry (talk) 08:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I doubt if anyone would assume that, e.g. Billy Slater, or Alan Tongue had played for 100-years, or 1000-years, and that doesn't transfer to Gary Jordan who was a 'rugby league footballer of the 1960s and 1970s'. Anyhow, expect fireworks upon the return of 'Gibson Flying V'. DynamoDegsy (talk) 16:20, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

It's why I didn't AWB them! I get where you are coming from, but I have put it to some people and they thought that they were voted the best players of that decade.Theanonymousentry (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

How anyone could think that "Gary Jordan was an English professional rugby league footballer of the 1960s and 1970s" could infer he was "voted the best player of that decade" is beyond me… and I suspect beyond any of us who don't live in the asylum. DynamoDegsy (talk) 11:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It wasn't an 8 out of 10 people think, but probably a few percent, which I can understand where they are coming from, but like you do not believe it to be the 8 out of 10 situation, more of a minor issue.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:55, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your strange change on Wahhabism

I find it hard to believe how you're not seeing the problem with this change of yours. You randomly changed a valid and neutral term to emotionally-laden and completely non-neutral one without any source backing the changes. Please have a rethink. Thanks. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:08, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Opponents would indicate their is a struggle between parties. Detractors would include any and all that might comment on elements of Wahhabism, but not consider themself to be an opponent, as that is the emotionally laden term. As a native English speaker the current version is a significant step forwards.Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:15, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

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Nicknames

Hi! I've opened a discussion here on the subject. Doctorhawkes (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Noticed, stopped and replied.Theanonymousentry (talk) 12:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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