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Can I suggest renaming this article to the company instead of the product (as has been done with Bass), in the hope that someone will show agreement by doing so? Motmit (talk) 12:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Rp0211 (talk · contribs) 04:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The Worthington Brewery (Worthington & Co.) was founded by William Worthington in the English Midlands town of Burton upon Trent in 1761. → Try and expand history with information in article Done

It's a small article, I don't want to overwhelm the intro, but I've added some more history to the first paragraph.Farrtj (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Put this section below the "History" section Done

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Fair use rationale needed for portrait of Worthington Done
Fix disambiguation issue with "cooper" according to this Done

Worthington White Shield

William Worthington's White Shield (5.6% ABV) is available bottle conditioned and in casks.[18] → "William Worthington's White Shield" should not be bolded Done

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~~Referencing is definitely my weak point. Could I ask you to be a little more specific about the issues regarding referencing? Farrtj (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2012 (UTC)~~[reply]

Referencing sorted out.Farrtj (talk) 02:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC) Done[reply]

After thoroughly reviewing this article, I have decided to put it on hold at this time. There are some prose issues among other things that are keeping this article from reaching good article status. I will give you the general seven days to fix these mistakes and/or address issues which you believe do not affect good article status. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 18:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All issues have now been addressed, so I feel confident passing this article. Congratulations and keep up the good work! Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 04:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

White Shield "unchanged"?

Apologies for the outrageous forum chat-mongering here, but despite the 2011 claim of Steve Wellington, reported in the article, that the beer is "pretty much unchanged since appearing first in 1829", I for one was very disappointed that the distinctive "nutty" flavour that was so recognisable in the old smaller bottles, was almost entirely absent in the new 500ml bottles recently purchased. The amount of bottle-conditioning yeast sediment also seems to be a fraction of the old residue. It was a real art to pour the old bottle without a trace of sediment. Maybe nostalgia has coloured my memory (and my palate). Or is there any more "official" confirmation of my suspicions? I think we should be told! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The beer's flavour profile changes as it ages, which may account for your lack of nuttiness on that particular occasion. The yeast was changed to a "stickier" version in the 1990s I believe. Farrtj (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well thanks, but... I had many a "dusty bottle" (from both bar and off-licence) throughout the 70s and 80s. The older the nuttier? (.. sounds a bit like me.) That still doesn't account for the sparse sediment in today's 500ml, which taste, to my mind, decidedly bland. The statement by Wellington (who really ought to know these things. I guess) has just added insult to my own personal and private epicurean injury. sob. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been reading the article, having discovered that Lidl are selling White Label here in Croatia (At the equivalent of £1.30 per 500ml !!), because I wanted to refresh my memory about the other Worthington 'Shield' bottled beers that I used to serve in the 1960s when barkeeping sustained me as a student. I cannot remember if there was also a Blue or Red Shield, but there was certainly at least one other. Only the White Shield, if I remember correctly, was bottle conditioned and needed very careful pouring. Indeed, some habitual drinkers of it preferred to pour it themselves, rather than risk the side effects of consuming the finings. The other sorts don't seem to be mentioned here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterDRG (talk • contribs) 14:12, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is an interesting discussion here (non-WP:RS and obviously very knowledgeable). I too remember the dating system on the labels. And another important distinction (I my mind) - some of the old-style smaller bottles were so lively that, when opened (at room temperature and with the minimum of disturbance), would immediately produce a small eruption of foam. Here's what the old bottle used to look like: [1] ... a copyrighted image, I think, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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