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On 12 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Voepass Linhas Aéreas to Voepass. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Passaredo Linhas Aéreas Embraer ERJ-145LU en route from Sao Paulo to Vitória da Conquista, Bahia, Brazil

Assuming someone is writing this crash up? Substantial damage in runway excursion landing at Vitória da Conquista, Bahia, Brazil. Registration # PR-PSJ. 35 aboard, no fatalities, plane is a total loss. Occurred 25 AUG 2010 Freelance-writer-editor (talk) 16:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change of name from Passaredo to VoePass

On 28OCT2019 the article title was changed from Passaredo Linhas Aéreas to VoePass Linhas Aéreas. However, on 7NOV2019 it was reversed back to Passaredo due to lack of discussion on the talk page, most probably because the name change was made by an editor who was known to a variety of transgressions and later has been suspended; however in this case it was correct. The change of name was extensively published on Brazilian Media: one example can be found here Passaredo anuncia nova marca e nome ao comprar a MAP Linhas Aéreas. If one checks the website of the airline, the new name is clearly stated Voepass. I believe, therefore, that the article should reflect the new name of the airline. (Brunoptsem (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC))[reply]

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Requested move 12 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 07:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Voepass Linhas Aéreas → Voepass – Per WP:COMMONNAME PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The proposed title is a redirect from a shorter name and is not appropriate as a commonly used name. FYI, this redirect was non-existent until the recent Flight 2283 accident after the requested move was conducted. A well-established precedence also exists, see List of airlines of Brazil and List of defunct airlines of Brazil. GalacticOrbits (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
>is not appropriate as a commonly used name

That is not what Wikipedia policy would support. The well-established precedence is WP:COMMONNAME and not the list of airlines of Brazil. That the redirect is relatively new does not matter. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CONSIST is a wikipedia policy. Since other Latin America Airlines, like Austral Líneas Aéreas use their full name instead of shortened, so we will follow this. And I should point out, that even if you are trying to use shortened name, at least it should be Voepass (airline). Awdqmb (talk) 15:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Austral Líneas Aéreas uses its full name because Austral is a disambiguation page. The lead of the article even notes that Austra is the common name.

> And I should point out, that even if you are trying to use shortened name, at least it should be Voepass (airline).

No? There is no other article with the name Voepass, so there is no need for disambiguation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 17:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the problem of disambiguation page. "Linhas Aéreas" is the Portuguese word of "airline", and "Líneas Aéreas" is Spainish one. If you don't add the word "airline", it will be like, calling UAL as simply United, and DAL simply as Delta. So it must be "Voepass (airline)" or similar name. Also, Austral Líneas Aéreas will be "Austral (airline)". Awdqmb (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree Austral should become Austral (airline), because there is a preference for natural disambiguation if possible.

UAL is not called United because United is already a disambiguation page, same for Delta. PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I should point out again, that it's not a disambiguation page problem. "Líneas Aéreas" is the Spanish word of "airline". If you call it full name, at least it should be "Austral Airlines" (translate it into English), or "Austral (airline)" (Common name plus nature of the company). Awdqmb (talk) 14:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is not needed. Examples include Pan Am and El Al. Both have either Airways or Airline in the name, which is not used in the title. And neither do they use disambiguation. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pan Am is both the trading and logo name of Pan American World Airways, and so as El Al. Awdqmb (talk) 07:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Voepass logo is also just Voepass. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And be advised: We wikipedia do have some of examples to call it in "(airline)" format, like Go!, Emirates, Lauda,and Iberia. They all because that's their full name. Awdqmb (talk) 15:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is because it is used for disambiguation. That is unnecessary here. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have told you it's not disambiguation problem. And I don't willing to repeat it again. Awdqmb (talk) 07:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example, Emirates is a dab page. It clearly is for disambiguation reasons. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I should correct you: Austral is the official brand name of AUT. Unlike its parent Aerolíneas Argentinas, they only use word "Austral" on their aircraft livery and official website. Just like Delta Air Lines only use Delta, United Airlines only use United. Awdqmb (talk) 18:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I should point out that, both airline offical and commons simply refered it as "Austral", also on their aircraft livery. Awdqmb (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We already have a discussion on the accident page. And the result is Not Move, due to WP:CONSIST. And in aviation sector, it's also following consist that, use same name as airline. So it's not probable to change it. And as I mentioned above, at least it should be like Voepass (airline) or similar thing. Awdqmb (talk) 18:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Previous discussions are irrelevant per WP:CCC. Consistency is only one part of the title policy of Wikipedia. Voepass (airline) really makes no sense. PhotographyEdits (talk) 09:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But it's also consist, to remain same name use on referred accident. Or at least we should launch another topic, that airline and its accident and incident can be different in naming. Awdqmb (talk) 15:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As pointed out in the discussion on the accident, WP:CONSISTENT is about the same category of articles. Accidents and airlines are different categories. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, they're both under aviation sector. And I should point out, that aviation occurrence is the only public transit occuerrence use completely different infobox and description standard. Awdqmb (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* Oppose I agree with GalacticOrbits. As I have done some searching around Wikipedia, I have found some Brazilian Airlines also ending in "Lineas Aéreas", WP:CONSIST. Voepass also isn't its full name when looking up the airline. This discussion should be fairly evident that Voepass Linhas Aéreas is already good as it is. Enter Your Username Please Choose Another Username (talk) 05:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC) strike sock-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:09, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:OFFICIALNAME is irrelevant here anyway. But looking up their media kit, it seems they exclusively use Voepass anyway: https://blog.voepass.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Mi%CC%81dia-Kit-2023.pdf

But that isn't the most important source, the most important are independent WP:RS. And those use 'Voepass' as well. So the WP:COMMONNAME is Voepass. PhotographyEdits (talk) 19:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is your vote now, though? Neutral, or support? PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment let's look at WP:NCCORP. It clearly states that for companies, the common name is preferred. It is simply possible to do that hehre. In this case, the common name used is Voepass. PhotographyEdits (talk) 12:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, this is a tough one: on one side is WP:COMMONNAME, made tempting by the fact that there is no other notable entity named Voepass, as well as international examples such as easyJet, El Al and Qantas. However, there is a long-standing WP:CONSIST convention of using "Linhas Aéreas" (or similar) for airlines in Latin America. If we are to keep "Linhas Aéreas" (that is, keep "Linhas Aéreas"), then I wish to ask where we could clarify the regional article title convention (perhaps one of the relevant subpages in WP:NC or WP:LAT?). --Minoa (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should follow WP:Aviation. Awdqmb (talk) 07:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a WikiProject, not a policy. PhotographyEdits (talk) 07:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LAT is also a WikiProject. But at least, aviation sector here we have a specific standard to write pages. Yes, it's an unwritten policy, but it's also tradition to consist. Awdqmb (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unwritten policy cannot override the written policy. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you really going to tackle every comment whom you don't agree with? Suggest reading WP:BLUDGEON. GalacticOrbits (talk) 12:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware of WP:BLUDGEON and I think my comments are reasonable within WP:CIVIL. PhotographyEdits (talk) 12:45, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have just found that, there's no mention in the page, that says airline Voepass use this "Common name", the whole page use "Voepass Linhas Aéreas". I think at least we should change discription first, before we further disguss the page title move.

Awdqmb (talk) 08:14, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not needed and can be done afterwards. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Per WP:NCCORP, the title of an article should be the one that reliable independent secondary sources most commonly use, which is the case: [1] [2] [3] and [4] to name a few. Per WP:EN, article titles should be in english if there is clearly an established naming usage by english sources, "no matter what name is used by non-English sources," which is the case. The name Voepass is clearly recognizable to an english language Wikipedia, would be the most natural title for those searching and linking the article and the proposed title would be precise and concise since there exists (to my knowledge) no other entity named Voepass. Whilst an english translation to Voepass Airlines could be possible, since there is a clearly established naming usage of the airline, we should follow what english sources most commonly use which is Voepass per WP:TRANSLITERATE. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Brazil/Transportation in Brazil task force, WikiProject Airlines, WikiProject Companies, and WikiProject Aviation have been notified of this discussion. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 19:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Final relist. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 06:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final relist? This is the first relisting. PhotographyEdits (talk) 08:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCCORP. Current title is WP:OVERPRECISION as no other topics named "Voepass" have been identified. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

We should change the description after the title change.

Not mention the previous move request is infact No Consensus (2 Support and 2 Oppose) and closed, done by non-admin user, at least we should change the description in the page.

Yes, there are many media sources suggest the shortened name, then we should find reliable source and add it into the page. Although I Strongly Oppose to just use media description in Wikipedia page. After all we are an professional-direction encyclopedia, not a public news website. Awdqmb (talk) 15:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This not mention I think we should reboot the discussion, or just revert everything before we get a proper consensus. Awdqmb (talk) 15:47, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, consensus is based on the strength of arguments, not by how many votes were cast by either side. Second of all, you seem to be implying that @BilledMammal: is not competent enough to close the discussion. I wouldn't be so sure considering they look to be a very experienced contributor. Lastly, the discussion ran for two entire weeks. The closing user determined that arguments in favour of a move were stronger. This is "proper consensus". If you want to contest the move, I suggest first discussing this with the closing user. If that's still not enough, I guess the proper venue would be to go to Wikipedia:Move review.

Now regarding the description, in my opinion, I think a simple note should be placed saying that Voepass is more commonly used. I don't think anything else should be changed. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:41, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]