Talk:Ville Sbertoli

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This page is part of an Educational Project by students of LIUC, Italy, with a course page at: https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(Autumn_2020)/home The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipeida requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student team User names are:.

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Limelightangel (talk) 08:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References, Sources and External Links

The content needs citations for all the content, so that it is clear where the information comes from. All editors need to add these at the same time as the relevant content. Use the Cite drop-down in the edit page, select the correct media format for your source, and complete as much of the template as possible. It was covered in the online training, and there is plenty of online help. Learn the differences between blue in text citations to other wiki pages, numbered references, and External Links. Use the Cite template for websites, and include the page title, website name, author, publisher, data and data accessed. Look at some existing pages, and read the help resources on external links (Google 'Wikipedia external links'): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links.

Some other essential starting points are:

Limelightangel (talk) 10:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Issues to address (02/11/20)

Use of Talk page: As part of an Educational Project, you all need to use the Talk page. None of you have. See Help:Talk_pages and Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines, and look at the Talk pages for existing articles, particularly on similar topics.
Infobox: you need to find and use a relevant Infobox template, and use this to replace the current table. See Wikipedia:List of infoboxes and look at similar pages. Understand how to use Infobox templates - see Help:Infobox.
Images: the page needs acceptable, copyright free images, aligned to the relevant text sections. Perhaps also a gallery, and at least one map. See Wikipedia:Images.
GPS: add a GPS location. These are best in the relevant Infobox. See Wikipedia:Coordinates_in_infoboxes.
References: the help resources in an earlier post have not been correctly observed.

- learn how to make multiple numbered text references to the same source, with the latter listed only once at the end. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Citing_multiple_pages_of_the_same_source and Help:Footnotes#WP:NAMEDREFS. This applies to 11 of the current 12 references. - try to balance the foreign language references with some acceptable English sources - always reference as you add content. The introductory and History sections have no references.

Linking out: understand the conventions on linking out. See Help:Link. Remove duplicate links out. You link out once, when you first use the linked text. Consider the relevance of links out to the topic,remove irrelevant ones (e.g. 'Europe'), and add more relevant ones.
Style & Grammar: avoid subjective content, such as 'very panoramic' (opinion). I have made over 15 basic spelling corrections, which highlight in red in the edit screen. Take team responsibility for fixing these. Avoid the use of opinion and subjectivity, and remove the personal tense e.g. "we find beautiful art painting".
Structure: Location needs to come before History?
Introduction: The introductory text needs to summarize the topic, with a clear reason for it's notability. Look at other pages. The text here on "Patients could enter the building from an avenue of cypresses starting from Via di Bigiano, via a big gate that faced the garden. The second, older and more sophisticated in style, is located in a very panoramic position on the lower part of the hill" needs to be moved from here. See other pages, and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style

Limelightangel (talk) 13:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Issues to address (09/11/20)

Use of Talk page: As part of an Educational Project, you all need to regularly and correctly evidence use the Talk page to develop the page. Only User:LiucES31 has. See Help:Talk_pages and Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines, and look at the Talk pages for existing articles, particularly on similar topics. Previous feedback has not been responded to effectively. The Talk section on 'image problems' is empty.
Contributions: As part of an Educational Project, you all need to regularly work on the pages. Two project members have made little or no contributions since 1/11/20: User:Galiucc7 and User:Userwikipedia. The latter's user name remains in red.
Images: the page needs acceptable, copyright free images, aligned to the relevant text sections. Perhaps also a gallery, and at least one map. See Wikipedia:Images. There are extensive potential images available, which need identifying, correctly licensing and formatting on the page.
References: the help resources and issues in two earlier posts have not been correctly observed.

- fix the two errors in red in the references. - learn how to make multiple numbered text references to the same source, with the latter listed only once at the end. See Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Citing_multiple_pages_of_the_same_source and Help:Footnotes#WP:NAMEDREFS. This applies to 11 of the current 12 references. - try to balance the foreign language references with some acceptable English sources - always reference as you add content. The History section has no references.

Linking in and out: The page needs far more links in and out. You should have a linking plan that identifies where this page can link to (and from).
Style & Grammar: avoid the use of words like 'however', 'there's', etc. Look at the conventions for describing space/areas of buildings, and be consistent and correct in the use of feet or meters.
Structure: Develop the use of better structure, including the use of sub-sections in Architecture. The page also needs a 'See also' and Categories.
Introduction: The introductory text needs to summarize the topic, with a clear reason for it's notability.

Limelightangel (talk) 10:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Content development

There is a wide range of potentially relevant factual content for this topic. Some indicative examples, which will all need acceptable references: early names for the site included 'Pistoia Sanotorium', and 'Nursing Sbertoli for Nervous Diseases'; the site was originally a residential mansion for a nobleman, containing ballrooms, tennis courts, a gymnasium, etc. This is evidenced by the Google Scholar article by Andrea Pacini, 2015 Inventing the Self: the case of NOF4 in Volterra Sanatorium; the asylum was one of the most famous in Italy (use in the opening summary, with a reference); the asylum was noted for it's use of a range of treatments, including the use of ECT, straitjackets, the use of malaria-infested mosquitoes, etc.; the buildings were occupied by the Nazis in WW2, and used as a prison for political prisoners; Silvano Fedi attacked the prison and released 54 prisoners; prior to the national legislation closing asylums, the institute was inspected and widely criticized for the standards of care evidenced. There are 22 articles on Scholar mentioning Ville Sbertoli, including references to it's origins, history, treatments and artwork. The book by Andrea Ottarelli has not been mentioned. These examples also provide opportunities to create relevant links out to many other pages. Limelightangel (talk) 11:02, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conversations

References, introduction and infobox problems

@Userwikipediia, LiucEs31, Lu7Liuc, and Galiucc7:; Team , we need to add references in the history section and check references in the architecture section. Alagna2000 (talk) 10:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, LiucEs31, Alagna2000, and Galiucc7:; okay, me and @Alagna2000: will take care of the references in the history section. Lu7Liuc (talk) 11:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, Galiucc7, and Alagna2000:›; okay, I will take care of fixing the introduction, and the structure of the page; I will also try to add some more information in the infobox. LiucEs31LiucEs31 (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, Galiucc7, and Alagna2000:; Hi guys, I changed and modified the introduction a little bit, what do you think? LiucEs31LiucEs31 (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LiucEs31: I like it, it's very synthetic and easy to understand. However i would suggest to change the verb in the last sencence: instead of saying "has more than 25 buildings" we can say "counts more than 25 buildings". Let me know what you think! Galiucc7 (talk)

@Galiucc7: Yes I agree with you, I changed it! LiucEs31LiucEs31 (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, Galiucc7, LiucEs31, and Alagna2000: I finally added references to the history section Lu7Liuc (talk)

Pictures issues

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, LiucEs31, and Alagna2000: team, I found some images about Villa Sbertoli's architecture today but since they have copyright I asked the owner if we can use them so we can fix the images problem.

Guys, we have the permission of the owners to use their photos. I'll upload a few now, let me know what you think Galiucc7 (talk)

I added one image on the architecture, what do you think? Galiucc7 (talk)

@Galiucc7: I think the pictures are good but for me there are too many in the architecture part. In my opinion we should distribute them more equally and maybe positioning them not only on the right side. LiucEs31LiucEs31 (talk) 19:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@LiucEs31: Okay great, I'll make sure to solve the problem tonight.Galiucc7 (talk)

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, LiucEs31, and Alagna2000: guys, I was thinking that the first image on the introduction is a front view of Villa Rosati not of all the buildings in general. Should we try to find another picture that maybe shows more of the general environment? Let me know what you think. Galiucc7 (talk)

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, Galiucc7, and Alagna2000:; Hi guys, I've changed the picture on the infobox since the last one only represented one villa and not all of them together but, I don't know why I'm no longer able to add a caption to the image, some of you could try to do it? I also modified the location part, let me know what do you think about it. LiucEs31LiucEs31 (talk) 13:44, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, Lu7Liuc, LiucEs31, and Alagna2000: I managed to add the caption on the image, let me know if it's good Galiucc7 (talk)

@Userwikipediia, LiucEs31, Lu7Liuc, and Alagna2000:; I created a Gallery section, what do you think? Should I add more images? Galiucc7 (talk)

Structure issues

@Userwikipediia, LiucEs31, Lu7Liuc, and Galiucc7:; we have to add some informations about the history, me and @Lu7Liuc: are looking for them Alagna2000 (talk) 17:13, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Userwikipediia, LiucEs31, Lu7Liuc, and Alagna2000:; I added the sub-headings in the architecture part with some images. Let me know what you think

@Yahya:; Hello, I just saw that you edited our page. Would you like to give us some advice perhabs something we should change? Galiucc7 (talk)

References issues

@Limelightangel:; Goodmorning professor Walker, we have some problems with references 9 and 10 but we cannot understand where the error is so we're not able to fix it, Could you please help us in fixing the error in those references? Thank You! --LiucEs31 (talk) 09:11, 21 November 2020 (UTC)LiucEs31[reply]

Issues to address (30/11/20)

Images: Improve the image captions, particularly in the gallery - it needs to be clear what they show, to users seeing them in WikiMedia (where they are located) e.g. 'the kitchen', etc.; you have a basic grammar error in one ('sbertoli'); remove the irrelevant 'today' in this caption;
References: the Wordpress blog is an unacceptable source, as is it's title 'Imeandmyfuckingpassions';
Linking in and out: Links out should be relevant, not just to any existing pages; are '1600' and '1700' relevant ones?
Spelling: 'Villa sbertoli'; 'asylyms'; 'enroled'; 'reclusion'; neighbours'; etc.
Content: Location needs better information on the location, and the location of the various villas; a map of the site would help here; the final subsection needs a date for the closure;
Style & Grammar: 'first gave life to the complex' is incorrect style; check style convention for days/month/year; is 'the following year' 1895, 1899 or 1920? 'USL n.8 belonging'?; remove 'on the other hand'; remove 'up to this day'; have not, not 'haven't';
Structure: Develop the use of better structure, including the use of sub-sections in Architecture. Should Architecture come before Fables and Notable Personalities? Could the largely historical content on architecture be incorporated in to the history section. At the very least, the final section in architecture, 'the villas today', is not relevant in architecture, and much better elsewhere;
Introduction: This does not say it is in Italy, nor that is now abandoned.Limelightangel (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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