Talk:Vardar Macedonia

There was no Vardar Macedonia in Serbia... It is a new term

Someone change the phrase was a region of Serbia to something more objective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geotol (talk • contribs) 16:54, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

This article begins with the sentence "Vardar Macedonia was the name given to the territory of the Kingdom of Serbia (1912–1918) and Kingdom of Yugoslavia (1918–1941) roughly corresponding to today's North Macedonia." but I can't see any evidence for this statement. (For example, a Google Books search comes up with no uses of this term before 1941.) What's more, the "Geography" section appears to contradict this statement. Hopefully someone will produce some evidence so that the page doesn't have to be deleted. Dadge (talk) 00:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Sources

I'm on the look out for some sources.--86.29.251.208 (talk) 19:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I found 1.--86.29.244.154 (talk) 13:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Macedonian/Sebian English transliteration

Is "Vardarska Makedonija" the commonly accepted English spelling? I would have thought the j would be replaced with a y since j is not usually in English as a i/y sound. 118.90.65.233 (talk) 02:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

It isn't English spelling, it's Romanisation (transliteration into the Latin alphabet, which English happens to use). Serbian and Macedonian use a different system than Bulgarian and Russian, and in that system j corresponds to ј. There's no English "spelling" of Вардарска Македонија, only a translation. BalkanFever 02:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I get at least that much, that its a transliteration. Perhaps I should have used better words: "is j really used to represent Serbian/Macedonian j in transliteration?" What I meant by "spelling" is is there a standard method of transliteration. And thanks for the answer :D 118.90.65.233 (talk) 12:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Gaj's Latin alphabet has a one-to-one correspondence to the Serbian Cyrillic alphabet, and Romanisation of Macedonian is based more or less on those same principles. BalkanFever 06:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Vardar Banovina

isn't this name connected or derived from this: Vardar Banovina?--CuteHappyBrute (talk) 02:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much... totally one might say. It's a recently coined term for irredentist reasons. Simanos (talk) 01:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

What's the difference?

If the borders of Vardar Macedonia are the borders of the Republic of Macedonia, what's the difference? If there is one it is not adequately explained. 155.33.172.164 (talk) 14:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggesting merging Vardar Macedonia article and Aegean Macedonia article into sections on the Macedonia (region) article

The amount of POV I have seen on these topics has been very strong, and these appear as POV-forks that could be addressed as sections on the Macedonia (region) article. I am proposing merging this article into Macedonia (region) as a section within that article.--R-41 (talk) 22:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Vardar Macedonia is an area that now makes up the Republic of Macedonia, being once part of the Ottoman Empire. Pirin Macedonia was redirected to Blagoevgrad Province. Can't these be merged into another article instead, like Yugoslav Macedonia or any other that better reflects that period in time or the concept of unification ? Krenakarore ^TK 21:18, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with the merge. This article alone is almost pointless. In the first place, when the Kingdom of Serbia (and then Kingdom of Yugoslavia) administered "Vardar Macedonia", they never referred to it as such. The word 'Macedonian' was a form of treason within the Serbian kingdom therefore this fork article means nothing hence its lack of content. In the second place, it is not quite the case that Vardar Macedonia is what now makes up Republic of Macedonia. The modern republic grew out of the socialist republic which had the same borders within Tito's Yugoslavia, however the area awarded to Serbia in 1913 following the Second Balkan War did not include the lands which previously constituted the Vilayet of Kosovo in the Ottoman Empire (ie. Skopje, Kumanovo, Veles, Štip, Tetovo, etc.) as these cities had already become a part of Serbia in 1913 following the First Balkan War. They did not form the basis for dispute with Bulgaria. It was what lay south of the Ottoman province of Kosovo that caused a rift between Bulgaria on side side and Serbia and Greece on the other. As such, Bulgaria was awarded the Blagoevgrad province and Serbia the rest of the northern region which is now called Vardar Macedonia. Greece achieved Thessaloniki and the Aegean region (the biggest/most populous part). The Big Hoof! (talk) 04:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Struck out sock. bobrayner (talk) 04:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

There was no Vardar Macedonia.

Change the title of the article. This page was used to further propagate the sentiment that Macedonia is indeed a land that has cultural/linguistic ties to the Greek Macedonians.Also the photo that was used was just pure missinformation for the poor person that wants to actually read history. Rename the title should be the first step towards making this article true to history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jinn Dante (talk • contribs) 04:46, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Check the sources in article, please. They confirm the fact of the existence of such geographical area. Your personal opinion above must be supported by reliable sources to discuss it, but you did not provide any. Jingiby (talk) 06:26, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Vardar Mac. vs Macedonia region map

It appears reasonable to have a detailed map about the specific region instead of a much wider Macedonia region which was only partly inside Yugoslavia (not to mention the MOS issues in caption).Alexikoua (talk) 14:48, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Thats odd considering that when it comes to the Northern Epirus thing, some editors are just fine and dandy in pushing certain POVish maps, yet here its somehow different. Odd very odd.Resnjari (talk) 15:00, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

@Jingiby:, curious as to what is your take on the matter as i have been observing the editing process.Resnjari (talk) 15:02, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I would also add that the map in the article does not represent Macedonia as Yugoslavia never called their Banovina Macedonia and is hence misleading. Macedonia in its historic confines never extended into Kosovo or the Morava valley. Maps of Banovinas that never carried the name Macedonia should not be in the article.Resnjari (talk) 15:05, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I have added another map of the area, popular around, with detailed description of Vardar Macedonia. Kosovo is missing but I hope somebody will rework it to the current issue of the national borders. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Nothing odd about a map of N.E that should be in N.E., imagine placing Northern Epirus maps in the administrative districts of southern Albania. That would be odd.Alexikoua (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

It is odd considering its "N.E" a irredentist concept peddled by Greek nationalists and associated sympathizers and not a real region.Resnjari (talk) 02:50, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vendita7175:, we have discussed here this issue with the maps and we have reached some kind of compromise. More, the map you are trying to upload again is already obsolete, though, the country has a new name - North Macedonia. Please, if you can change its inscriptions in English, including changing the country's name, I will agree with you, but for now I am opposing to this map. Jingiby (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2019 (UTC)