Talk:UEFA coefficient/Archive 1

Archive 1

Not updated

It seems to me the Country coefficients are not updated as per 2007 results, instead they still seem to be on the 2006 results. -- Jeff3000 04:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Uefa Cup places for season 2009-10 updated according to UEFA Access List. --88.2.223.236 (talk) 17:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Point system for club competitions

Why is it that UEFA uses 2 points for a win instead of 3 in the coefficients calculations? Does anyone know if it would throw off things much if they did so? -- Grant.Alpaugh 05:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

the system with 3 points for win would give 3 points to a team that wins 1-0 and loses the second leg 0-8, and in the same system a team that draws 1-1 at home and 2-2 away and gets promoted to the next round would get 2 points, that is LESS than a team that didn't get a promotion.--Jakas1 (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, does anyone know how they count Champions League and UEFA Cup knockout rounds? Do they count each game, or do they count the tie as a whole? -- Grant.Alpaugh 05:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Each game.--Edgar (talk) 06:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Is this correct?

It says that 3 teams from the top 3 leagues enter the CL proper, but Arsenal and Liverpool are both involved in CL qualifiers this week. Can someone explain this please? Also, the calculation method is not clear. Could this be explained better so fans can calculate it for themselves in a "what if?" situation?Donek (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

The new entry list (3 teams to the group stage) will be applied for the first time next season. For details on the calculation method, see Bert Kassies' site.--Edgar (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Bonus points

In the bonus points for the league coefficients there is something unclear. Are bonus points awarded to each club that accomplishes the requirement? Like if two clubs from the same country qualify for the group stage do they get 3 points each or just 3 points in general that go to the league coefficient?

Also, if two clubs from the same country play against each other and tie, does the draw point count as 1 or 2? --MicroX 22:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

3 points each. And the draw points counts as 1 point for each team - and as two points (1 + 1) for the country. Edgar (talk) 07:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

League Coefficent Guidelines

I was wondering what happened to the League coefficent guidelines that were on this page.

It would be a table to tell you where each league's rankings would leave their teams qualifying in certain stages of the competition. For example it would have 1-3 in the left column with dots in the 'Group Stage' and '3rd Qualfying Round' columns.

If it's possible, could it be brought back as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sporter08 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Developing a page for CONCACAF

I want to create a comprehensive page for the CONCACAF region based on this page. I have data sources for club coefficients based on the CONCACAF Champions League and was hoping to find someone here who would be willing to lend a hand or a few pointers. It's not urgent, but any help would be greatly appreciated. I created this page Concacaf club coefficients and want to clean it up to more closely mirror this UEFA page. Thanks for any help you can provide. Dohertypenguin (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

What you're talking about sounds quite a bit like original research. Does CONCACAF officially have a coefficient system, because otherwise this doesn't sound encyclopedic. -- Grant.Alpaugh 04:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Over representation of small countries

Small countries mostly get to send 4 teams to the Champions League and Europa League, whereas big countries only get to send 7. The article should contain some explanation as to why big countries aren't upset about this. Newcastle, who currently play in the second English league (The Championship), frequently get bigger attendances than the population of the Faroe Islands - and many Premiership clubs do nearly every week - yet this tiny country gets to send 4 clubs to the big European competitions. The English Football Association, and English supporters, ought to be upset about this. --New Thought (talk) 12:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The small countries can only send 4 teams to qualification for Champions League and Europa League, they almost never qualify for the main rounds, whereas the big countries' teams automatically qualify for them. Still, I agree it's somehow absurd to give a country like San Marino (30,000 inhabitants) even 3 qualification places, when they only have 15 teams in the whole country. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for that clarification. If anyone knows which countries get main round qualification (or what the formula is for selecting such countries), then please either update the article or explain it here, and I will update the article. --New Thought (talk) 09:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

See http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/index.html. Essentially, the first 12 countries' champions go to the main round automatically, with the top 6 countries getting even several guarenteed main round seats. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 14:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... that's very good information, but it looks as though it doesn't properly belong in this article. I'm not quite sure what to do - any suggestions from anybody, please? Perhaps a new section in this article? --New Thought (talk) 09:57, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Womens Rankings

Should those be mentioned? They do exist. :) -Koppapa (talk) 09:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Calculation of League Co-efficient

I have a couple of questions regarding the awarding of points to teams in calculating the League Co-efficient. One, assume two teams play both legs of a quarter-final to a 1-1 draw, and thus, penalty kicks are taken in the second leg. Does the team winning on penalties earn 2 points for winning and the bonus point for advancing, or do the two teams each get 1 point for tying with the bonus point going to the winner? What if one team had scored in extra time? Second, assume the final ends in a tie after extra time and is then settled on penalties. Does that winner get 2 points, and the loser get none? Is this too detailed to be added to actual 'rules of awarding co-efficient points'? Even if it is, could someone let me know here? Thanks.Juve2000 (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

If both legs end 1-1, 2nd after extra time, both get 2 points for two draws and the advancing team on pen. gets bonus points. If 2nd legs ends 2-1 after extra time, it is considered a win, and not a draw. So team A gets 1 for the first-leg draw, Team B gets 3 points+bonus for draw in first leg and win in 2nd leg. So, extra time counts towards the game outcome, penalties do not. -Koppapa (talk) 09:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

What about the single-leg Champions League final? This will be relevant this year since Italy needs a win for Inter Milan in the final to stay the third-ranked league, while Germany only needs a draw by Bayern Munich to become third. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Same as above. Somebody wins after 90 minutes, he gets 2 points. Draw after 90 min and someone winning after 120. 2 points for the winner. Draw after 90 and 120 minutes, every team gets 1 point. So Germany just needs Bayern to reach penalties. -Koppapa (talk) 14:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Current rankings table

I think it would be better if the number of positions for the Champions league qualification spots and uefa cup qualification spots be seperated from champions league spots and uefa cup spots. Kingjeff 00:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Can I also mention that the table looks a mess when you sort by different columns rather than the default - due to the number of teams qualified columns. Maybe we should make those columns unsortable? MacarismTalk 15:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

League Coefficient

This isn´t a league coefficient-it is a country coefficient!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.45.88.215 (talk) 02:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

2 2/3 is not rounded to 2,667

The coefficient is rounded to the lower nummber. 2 2/3=2,666 188.45.252.60 (talk) 10:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The current ranking is wrong

italy is ahead of germany as this was confirmed by inters champions league win —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.249.209.51 (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

The chart has been adjusted to cover the 5-year period from 2006-07 through to 2010-11. Once the 2010-11 season is over, the results from this chart will determine the allocation of teams for each country in both the Champions League and Europa Cup in for the 2012-13 European season. The teams themselves will be determined once the 2011-12 season is over. What you are thinking of is the result from one year ago. In the 5-year period ending 2009-10, Italy did finish 3rd, and will still get 4 Champions League spots for the 2011-12 European season, with the teams being determined in the final classification of the Serie A 2010-11.Juve2000 (talk) 18:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Show League Coefficient Ranking for the current championship

Add a 3rd column showing what each leagues rank is for the current European championships. So a 2009 column. This will stop some people getting confused who do not fully understand the system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Norwich City Fan93 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

References

Many references link to Bert Kassies' webpage. Why don't we just use UEFA's ones? (primary source) --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 14:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Georgia?!

How has Georgia got the highest coefficient performance for 2011/12 (2.375) - is there an error somewhere? 194.176.105.148 (talk) 11:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

No, Georgia really has got the highest coefficient performance for 2011/12 (2.375) - watch the official site! Moreover, followed after Georgia: Croatia, Hungary, England, Israel, Norway, Sweden, Cyprus and Austria!) --Юрій25031994 (talk) 11:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

question

Qualifying for the Champions League group phase (4 bonus points).

This refers to the country or club?--Sokac121 (talk) 09:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

It refers to the club. So if a country has a lot of clubs qualify it then increases its ranking via that. Delusion23 (talk) 09:43, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

National Team Coeeficient

How was the national team coefficient calculated before 2004 competition? Or how have the seedings been made? --Sayka41 (talk) 13:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

For Euro-2000 and Euro-2004 as well as WC-2002 average points per game in two previous qualifying tournaments were used. For WC-94 and WC-98 FIFA ranking was used. For Euro-96 and pre-94 tournaments I'm not sure. I wanted to try to apply the same PPG system but never had much time to actually do it.-NineInchRuiner (talk) 11:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

League Coefficient Table Formatting

The League Coefficient table is not well-formatted. There's a visual distinction between 3 and 4 CL places, but not 2 and 3. Similarly between 3 and 4 EL places, and so on down the table. These should be formatted with lines in the same way as the others. Greenman (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Ukraine in 2008/9

According to the table, Ukraine suddenly became the best league in Europe for a year in 2008/9, before becoming mediocre again equally suddenly. The data matches the source, I just wonder if the source includes a typo. --Dweller (talk) 10:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

No, the table is correct. I think maybe you don't understand how the co-efficient works. Ukraine earned the highest co-efficient for that season. It doesn't make them the best league for that season, because the co-efficient decides how many teams qualify for the season after next (i.e 2008-09 decides the qualification for 2010-11. England were still the best league that season, because its the co-efficient for each of the previous 5 seasons added up which counts towards qualifying. See here and here. Ukraine earned the highest co-efficient for 2008-09 which moved them up to 7th. The co-efficient is quite confusing but I hope this clears it up for you. Adam4267 (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, it does. I think it spotlights questions on the system. --Dweller (talk) 09:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Extra qualification spots when a qualified team wins a trophy

It may be there, but I couldn't see in our article what happens when a team wins a trophy in Europe? Does that give them qualification to that tournament next year? If so, what happens if they then, say, win their domestic league... what happens to the additional qualification spot? In the past, I know this got passed on within their domestic league, but I have a feeling it doesn't any more. --Dweller (talk) 09:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I remember a specific example of this in 2006 when Arsenal were playing Barcelona. Barcelona had automatically qualififed to the next season's group stage due to league position. This meant that if they won then they would not need the "Extra qualification place" reserved for the champions. However, Arsenal would because they hadn't automatically qualified. Because Barcelona won the trophy that spot was redistributed to the champions of the country with the highest co-efficient that didn't already have a team in the group stage. Scotland and Celtic. If Arsenal had won they would have taken that place and Celtic would have had to go through the final qualifying stage. Also the Liverpool, Everton situation in 2005 (I think) were Liverpool did not qualify (finished 5th) but got put into the first qualifying round as defending champions, and Everton retained their fourth spot qualification place has now been legislated for. If that happened again then Liverpool would get into the group stage automtically (as defending champions) and Everton would be knocked down to the Europa League because England are only allowed four teams in the Champions League. Adam4267 (talk) 11:15, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

So Barca went through to the group stage, Celtic did too and what happened to the qualifying stage slot that Celtic vacated? And is this still the [not very clear] way it works? --Dweller (talk) 13:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

The highest placed team, in the highest placed country in the previous qualification round moved up, and so on. The system is confusing at first but once you understand it its fairly simple. Adam4267 (talk) 19:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

colors of coefficient history

I think I have a fair point. These colors look unnatural and don't correspond well.

Since there can be only one color for each country, there's no point in looking at flags. Green, white and red for Italy eg.

So..only one color. But how can you have Italian league marked in green? Green is something nobody thinks of when you mention Italy. Since we can only pick one color I propose reasonable alternative to different countries.

England - red (from the flag and second kit) or blue (from the kit) Italy - ONLY BLUE, azzuri Germany - black or green (second kit) Spain - yellow (flag) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.109.100 (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Implemented. Happy with the colours? --77.109.64.36 (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Logos of Clubs

In the section for the coefficients of each UEFA club, I edited the coefficients and club names to how they are represented officially on the UEFA website. These edits were accepted, but I also added the logos of each club next to their names in the table. Someone removed this, and I want to know why. Dar5995 (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

If you click "View History" you can see the edit summaries to get an idea why this was done. In this case the editor said that they "removed fair-use logos used solely for decoration". Greenman (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, the removal makes sense now that I think about it. Dar5995 (talk) 00:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

From where do the 2012/2013 points come from ?

Clubs in the top leagues still haven't played any european matches this season and yet they have some points in updated league/club coefficients that include 2012/2013 season. Also the links don't seem to include the new season eighter so some explanation in the article about that would be needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.142.240.62 (talk) 15:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Top clubs are assured 4 points, just for entering the group stage. -Koppapa (talk) 18:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Also: The club coefficient is the sum of the points earned by the club over the five seasons plus 20% of the club's association coefficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.96.67 (talk) 23:33, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Why only 25 top clubs shown?

Apprecite it my take some time to apply the information but if more than25 clubs could be shown it would help seeing potential options for the UCL playoff round. 81.97.236.201 (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2010 (UTC)Peter St Albans England

Come on, where would you stop 50? 100? 300? Just look it up external. http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2011.html Always up to date. -Koppapa (talk) 08:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it should be a top 30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.129.96.67 (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Decimals

Wikipedia:Numbers says "A decimal point is used between the integer and the fractional parts of a decimal; a comma is never used in this role (6.57, not 6,57)." Fatphil (talk) 10:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

External Links

I added an external link to a page I am maintaning (UEFA Coefficient Tracker), then noticed this may be a conflict of interest. I believe that the page is relevant and similar to other external links. Can someone else confirm this since I am obviously biased? Pembeci (talk) 14:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Gibraltar

Are the teams from Gibraltar taking part next season already and how are the spots in the qualifiers changed? --134.176.204.68 (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Wrong coefficients

Excuse me, but country coefficients as of 28 November 2013 are completely wrong! Spain and England are respectively 10.142 and 10.357 (not 12.285 and 12.500 as written), Germany is 8.571 (not 9.285), and some other countries too are wrong. Some others like Italy and Portugal are correct, anyway please check the official UEFA page to correct them. I'm an Italian Wiki user, so I don't feel very comfortable editing other Wikis, but if somebody allows me to, then I would of course.--Jethro85 (talk) 16:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

There's a reason for the discrepancy. Our figures include the bonus points that teams like Bayern and Man City get for reaching the last 16 of the champs league. The UEFA site hasn't added those yet, so really it's simply a case of them being behind us. Nothing needs to be changed. Valenciano (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi I have been the one updating lately (updated earlier today) so feel i should respond. As Valenciano wrote the reason is that UEFA has not added the bonus points yet but our source that we use (seen above the table) has added these bonus points. When group stage is completed they will be the same again. One could ask why we use this source and not UEFA and the simple answer is that UEFA are very slow updating (in the qualifying stages when we updated the 2013/14 table did not even exist att UEFA.com). Also kassiesa is well used by many and is seen as a very reliable source, just as it is fast updated. Also WP:PRIMARY is worth a reading, when the kassiesa source is just as reliable as UEFA.com QED237 (talk) 17:55, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'm sorry but I really didn't consider the possibility of including the bonus points awarded for the qualification to the round of 16 in the UCL. That makes sense now and please sorry if I looked somehow arrogant.--Jethro85 (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No, you didn't look arrogant, you asked a perfectly reasonable and valid question. Please continue to contribute here. Valenciano (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

2 points for a win / 1 for a draw

Is this just for group stage matches or for knockout matches as well? Looking at past coefficients it seems this includes knockout matches as well as group stage matches. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 11:14, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

To be honest I am not sure. As you say looking at past coefficients I really feel that is the case but the info from UEFA is not very good, for example here and here. However when reading this they say "Each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw (points are halved for matches in the qualifying and play-off rounds)", which suggest points even in playoff. Also reading the Kassiesa source it says "The basis for the UEFA coefficients is the performance of teams in the European Cups during a five year period. During that period each team gets two points for a win and one point for a draw (see below for matches in qualifying rounds). In addition one bonus point is allocated for reaching the quarter final, the semi final and the final. Qualification for the group-stage of the Champions League is awarded with 4 bonus points (from 2004-2009: 3 bonus points, from 1995-2004: 1 point, before 1995: 2 points). Qualification for the first knock-out round of the Champions League yields 5 bonus points (from 2004-2009: 1 bonus point, before 2004: no bonus)." The kassiesa calculation also supports that points are given all the way since 8 matches are counted for Arsenal and Man Utd that got eliminated in round of 16 (6group+2 playoff).

To summarize i think they get points for win and draw in the "playoffs" as well and not only in the group stage. QED237 (talk) 11:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

For rounds before the group stages, including the play-off rounds of both the Champs' league and the Europa league, points are halved, meaning teams taking part there effectively get one point for a win and a half point for a draw. For the group stages and subsequent knock out rounds, teams get 2 points for a win and 1 point for a draw. Valenciano (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes User:Valenciano, you are right. The part confusing people is the "Group stage win 2pts" both in the sources and in the article. It should probably be something like "Main tournament win" or something. QED237 (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I've changed it in the table. Valenciano (talk) 19:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - filelakeshoe (t / c) 21:57, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2014

The club coefficient table is wrong. CL-round of 16 is 4 points in stead of 5. Furthermore, there are no Group stage participation bonus points for Europa League; in stead there is a 2 point minimum which is awararded when a team does not get 2 points in the group stage (or in other words, when a team wins at least one game or draws two in the group fase, there will be no group participation bonus). Please see http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/ (right of the page). 81.71.94.81 (talk) 12:31, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done. The article already makes it clear that the Europa league points are a minimum and per this link, the article is correct, teams gets FIVE bonus points for round of 16 (and four for playing in the group stages.) Valenciano (talk) 13:19, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

top 10 uefa clubs

1. Liverpool

2. Barcelona

3. Manchester Utd

4. Bayern

5. Chelsea

6. CSKA Moscow

7. Juventus

8. Real Madrid

9. Porto

10. Roma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.254.123 (talk • contribs)

What is purpose of this list? QED237 (talk) 13:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Apparently none. SLBedit (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

The rankings are wrong.

Check the official rankings:http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/seasoncountry/index.html I'm afraid its a deliberate mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.12.214.121 (talk • contribs)

It is not wrong, it depends on sources, where some sources has already handed out bonus points. We use Kassiesa, who updates very quickly and is a reliable source while UEFA in early stages takes months to update. Read all posts above for more info. QED237 (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Maximum Europa League Places/Fair Play spots

Shouldn't "Note: Starting from the 2015–16 season, all associations will have a maximum of three teams entering the Europa League (currently associations 7–9 have four entrants)" be qualified somehow to allow for the teams gaining places via the fair play allocation. Obviously England, Ireland and the Netherlands have exceeded the maximum, and this would be contradictory for those not "in-the-know." Dawindler (talk) 18:50, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Gibraltar problem

There's a problem now with the table, as Gibraltar have moved above San Marino. When Gibraltar joined, UEFA said it would have 1 CL place and 1 Europa league place (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/20/uk-soccer-uefa-gibraltar-idUKBRE98J0DC20130920 link.) This is different to how the two previous newbies, Montenegro and Kazakhstan, were treated, as they received the minimum number of places. This appears to be more a special decision by UEFA and so Gibraltar will get one place regardless of whether they overtake San Marino or Andorra. Either way we need to note this in the table. Valenciano (talk) 10:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking about this a lot when I updated the article yesterday. In the 2016–17 UEFA Europa League it states Liechtenstein and Gibraltar each have one team qualify (Liechtenstein organises only a domestic cup and no domestic league; Gibraltar as per decision by the UEFA Executive Committee). but without source and I saw on Gibraltar pages that they wrote "we have chance to take a second Europa League spot". I will take a closer look at it. A note should probably look the same as the one for Liechtenstein. Qed237 (talk) 10:37, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

@Valenciano: Okay I have now made the corrections and added source from UEFA. I am not to impressed about the current note system done manually at the leagues so I am considering moving it to diretly after the nation names and changing to {{refn}} or {{cref2}}. Qed237 (talk) 11:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Qed237. If new info comes up that this is not the case (ie Gibraltar can gain through coefficient ranking) we can update the article then. Valenciano (talk) 12:24, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

2015-16: Romania, Austria

Romania has 1 club in CL and 3 in EL, Austria has 1 club in CL and 4 (3 + 1 Fair Play) in EL. --Brateevsky ^{(talk to me)} 14:35, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

@Brateevsky: Wrong, Austria has two in CL and 3 in EL, no fair play spot. And why open a discussion about this? Qed237 (talk) 14:57, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand why Romania has 4/4 teams and Austria has 5/5 teams, despite the coefficients for these coutries are 23.508 and 21.3 respectively. --Brateevsky ^{(talk to me)} 15:03, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

I understand! :) It's because — For the 2015–16 UEFA Champions League, the associations are allocated places according to their 2014 UEFA country coefficients, which takes into account their performance in European competitions from 2009–10 to 2013–14.[6][7]. --Brateevsky ^{(talk to me)} 15:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Because the number of teams they have in this season UEFA competitions was decided with 2013-14 nation ranking. After that season Austra was ahead of Romania and got 5 spots, when Romania got 4. The ranking stated this season will determine the spots for 2017-18. Qed237 (talk) 15:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Top club by period section

After quarter-finals results Real Madrid is now guaranteed to be the top club in 2012-16. The difference for Bayern Munich is over 9 points and in the worst case scenario for Real Madrid they gain no points from now on and Bayern Munich gain at max 7 points being champions winning all matches. The section should be edited like bellow. I tried editing it myself, but I couldn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.10.20.224 (talk • contribs)

There is no harm in waiting until season is over. Qed237 (talk) 23:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Map update needed

... now that Kosovo is in UEFA. Bondegezou (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Am I missing something here?

Why is the source for a lot of these stats the personal web space of some guy called Bert Kassies? What is the provenance of the data? Surely we should be using official sources, ie http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/ 106.69.9.179 (talk) 03:52, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Bert's data has long been used because UEFA only started publishing their data within the last couple of years - for the previous 10-15 years, Bert's was the only site available. He's well established as reliable and he always updates promptly. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 20:44, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Also, UEFA never updates during the qualifying stages and sometimes fails to update after group stage matches as well. The information from UEFA is very often out of date, while Bert Kassies updated directly after the matches and has proven to be very reliable (I double check the numbers some time and they are allways right). Qed237 (talk) 22:04, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Dividing CL en UC places

On my user talk page (from before I had an account), I read this:

Comment: "The detail of Champion's league qualification can not be accurate. I follow Denmark soccer. Denmark is placed 21st in the current year and yet Aalborg BK, their league's qualifier, enters in the second qualifying round, not the first."

My response (please verify): that's true for this year's competition (of the Champions League): 2008/09. However, for the year thereafter, 2009/10, the UEFA's new system is put in effect, (probably) meaning that the Danish qualifier will start in Q1 of the Champions League. I know it's a bit misleading, as teams participating in the international competitions have qualified the year BEFORE, meaning that the teams that will participate next year in the CL en UC have qualified under the old UEFA system of 2007/2008.

align=right in tables

Hello. Maybe better do "align=right" in tables for columns with coefficients? (same as on Kassies' pages). GAV80 (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Albania's places for the 2016-17 season

@Qed237: What, are you serious man? You make an Edit based on a random source rather than UEFA official website? Can you explain me why, is this article about official rankings launched by UEFA or a fanpafe? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 22:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@Eni.Sukthi.Durres:. On official site UEFA maybe mistakes: for example, why on that page Montenegro have 3 teams in current season, but not 4 teams? If Montenegro with 3 teams is mistake, then Albania with 3 teams maybe mistake also. And more, why Serbia have 5 teams? GAV80 (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times. Kassiesa is much more reliable than UEFA which are both slow to update, and often have errors. Qed237 (talk) 00:57, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

added entry phase to country coefficient table

but don't know how to colour the cells or align centrally (using visual editor for table). would be grateful if someone could fix. think this is useful info, but perhaps this info could be redesigned...additional columns or symbols or some such. paddler (talk) 21:10, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

edits deleted - arguments for re-inclusion

1. I think this information is critical to understanding the impact of the coefficients. Otherwise it is not clear at all that there is a big difference for a country improving its ranking from, say, 13th to 12th (direct entry to group stage for both CL and EL) or dropping from 17th to 18th (much worse entry phases in EL). If I am a Dane or a Romanian and I look at this page without that information, I would conclude that nothing is at play this season in terms of coefficient - yet it very much is.
2. It is suggested on the undo that there are other articles for that. I am only aware of this information on the UEFA Champions League and the UEFA Europa League pages, where it takes some considerable study of both articles to extract the information. Please direct me to somewhere where this information is clearly presented, if I'm missing it.
3. I quite understand that the formatting was so poor as to be unhelpful. It needs reverting to white and centre aligning at the very least. If I had thought the edits were in danger of being rejected, I would also have used a smaller font, thought of a clearer code for each phase, included a key, etc. I had hoped that someone better skilled than I would do this. As I explained in my edit summary and on the talk page, I'm afraid that I do not know how to edit table formatting in the source editor, nor could I see how to control cell colour or alignment in the visual editor (it does not seem that these options are available). Nevertheless, I mentioned that I was aware of these weaknesses - maybe I should have been clearer that I needed assistance. paddler (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Misleading and confusing table

The table with the "ranking of nations with respect to the total number of years in the top three of the rankings after 1974" includes a column called TOTAL which is confusing and arbitrary. Why is it only including first and second places, but not third? Why does first place count the same the second place? Baidelan (talk) 21:35, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Colour Code error

On the most recent update for the the Champions League and Europa League coefficients, the rows for San Marino and Andorra have been coloured yellow, but all three of the teams from those countries are still in the competitions, as the losers of the preliminary round, both semi-final and final, of the Champions League qualifiers move to the Europa League qualifiers Champions Path, which is clear if you look at the respective pages. Hesky10 (talk) 11:53, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Rounding

The cited document at https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/94/62/34/1946234_DOWNLOAD.pdf says

> 6.3. The general assessment should be calculated to three decimal points and not rounded up.

This does not imply the claim made in the article that 2.66666666... goes to 2.666 not 2.667. 80.7.12.236 (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Not updated yet

The UEFA coefficients on the website are only correct as at before the semi finals. i.e. it does not give England the points for the semi and final wins. I would hold on updating everything until that is updated Jopal22 (talk) 22:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Ranking's wild inaccuracy

Is there any particular reason for using as a source of the official UEFA rankings some dubious webpage at https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl domain? Or why the current season's points are included, when they have no bearing to current season rankings by which the placement in pots etc is determined? It's just a little bit stupid to represent as the UEFA coefficients something which is not it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.220.254.162 (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Women's National team coefficient

Could someone update the Women's National team coefficient with the last update, please? https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/competitions/General/02/52/45/43/2524543_DOWNLOAD.pdf --Baronedimare (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

kassiesa vs UEFA site

Can we come to agreement on which site to use for updated coefficient UEFA site is slow to update kassiesa seems to be more current PNwood213 (talk) 14:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

I noted a major misalignment between kassiesa and UEFA sites, regarding the assignment of the bonus points. The rules written in UEFA web page do not match with the rules written in kassiesa web page (for instance, as per UEFA, 4 bonus points are granted to clubs reaching Europa League's group stage, too). I think therefore that the table might be wrong: I assume that UEFA web site should be considered the major reference source, even though the table in its site hasn't been updated since 26th August... --P1221 (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I noticed that misalignment as well. However the misalignement doesn't actually exist between the two sites, but between the rules published on the UEFA's web page and the actual coefficient standings on the same web page. The UEFA doesn't actually award those bonus points the rules state should be awarded for playing the EL group stage.Tvx1 17:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

I have identified two parts of this article which are clearly inaccurate.

1. The Men's Association coefficient section has a history subsection. However, it list top the top leagues throughout the ranking's history, while the ranking actually orders associations and not the leagues. The clubs representing the national FA's in European competitions do not all represent the top-level leagues of those countries. Some qualify through national cups and Liechtenstein doesn't even have a league.
2. The Women's National Team's coefficient shows a purported 2017 ranking with Belgium as number one with a ridiculous amount of points. That never happened and this looks like vandalism to me. Moreover the source included to support that rankings refers to futsal rankings (which weren't led by Belgium either).

These sections clearly need to be corrected. Tvx1 16:48, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

why does this page not have a contents?

I do not know how to make one, but it makes the article very hard to read AndrewKkh (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Slot Allocation for 2024–25 season Association Rankings (men)

Does anyone know when the new slot allocations for the 24-25 season will be announced, or is this as of yet unknown? Joskix (talk) 14:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

No idea. They haven't started calculating the 2022/23 coefficients either. Tvx1 17:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Only when UEFA starts calculating the 2023 coefficient. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

They are doing that already. Tvx1 15:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

But I just saw an article on the UEFA website. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 15:13, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Seemed like the best place for this.

Starting in 2024-25, cup winners for associations 16-33 qualify for Europa League first qualifying round. If Lichtenstein make that bracket (currently 31 in live rankings), would their cup winner qualify for Europa League? Or would they still be ECL because they don't hold a domestic league(ie some larger UEFA decision)? Either way we should probably fix that/note that on the table. FeniMore (talk) 15:54, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

CL-TH not qualified from the domestic league

What will happen to the allocation slots if Cl-TH or EL-TH do not simultanously qualify from the domestic league? I know only they will start the next CL from the first seeded group. 78.80.98.168 (talk) 17:47, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Country coefficient table: must find a way to show qualification stage earned by each ranking position

There's a massive difference for a country if their teams are ranked, for instance, 9th/10th/11th, but from reading this table you'd think it was all the same. Just for the Champions League alone, 9th gives you GS+Q3, 10th GS+Q2, 11th PO+Q2. This is true right up and down the rankings and for all comps. But the only way to find this information is by careful reading of the qualification rules for each individual trophy. This table is surely the right place for such things. There must be some way of showing it digestibly. 2A0A:EF40:639:6901:3528:6102:66BE:F679 (talk) 22:04, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

The data is here, if anyone wants to include it:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xczzBvOeSZpvTxePAhlaKjdjZC6_z31aM9SCJivAEtc/edit?usp=sharing paddler (talk) 20:43, 16 December 2023 (UTC)