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Vidi šta kaže američka ambasada u srbiji... prema nezvaničnim podacima samo u chichagu 350-500.000 ljudi srpskog porekla.... zašto te onda čudi da bi taj broj bio između 700.000 i 1 milijon u celokupnoj americi??? pogotovo kad je reč o Americi gde ljudi imaju po 2,3,4 porekla i preko 310 milijona stanovnika poreklom iz celog sveta... šta je tu toliko začuđujučeg da bi u americi bilo milijon ljudi srpskog porekla ka dsu se oni na tu teritoriju počeli naseljavati već krajem 19. veka, ka dih je bilo oko 20.000 u SAD kao i Norvežana naprimer... a čijih ljudi poreklom ima danas čak oko 5 milijona u americi. Zvanični podaci su korišćeni pod prvo a za veću estimaciju broja korišćen je naravno veći broj... source je bio čak s aBBc-a preveden na srpskom... i t kažeš to nisu dobri izvori.. a svi oni daju procenu od 700k-1milijon... eto tolko samo da ti dam za misliti.... tolko od mene (Правичност (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2013 (UTC))

Izvor za tursku bio je već ranije stavljen, ja ga nisam prvi psotavio, a uz taj izvor ima i zvaničan izvor popisa iz 1965 godine gde pokazuje da ima više od 65.000 ljudi kojima je maternji jezik srpski... kako taj izvor nisi vidio? Koliko onda zaista ima ljudi srpskog porekla u Turskoj.... Broj Srba je već zvanično između 10,5 - 12 milijona... ja sam pokušao, da nađem adekvatne brojke ljudi srpskog porekla iz dijaspore , a ne da po svaku cenu povećam broj Srba... Ako si vidio da Hrvati, česi i Austrijanci nemaju dvostrukih brojki za SAd, onda nisi gledao po svim stranicama. Pogledaj naprimer pod "Greeks" ili "English people" ili "Polish people" i videćeš da ima duplih estimacija i ne samo za SAD... kraj krajeva to je SAD ... i te estimacije iako nezvanične ipak ne postoje za bezveze i stalno se ominju svugde.... Zato ja tu ne vidim problem, kraj krajeva ide se samo za veću estimaciju pokraj one "zvanične" i to je sve... Što se tiče takvih ili onakvih izvora... pogledaj na stranicu "Croats" ili "Bosniaks" ni tamo nije baš sve "čisto" ... Na Croats npr. piše da u Novom zelandu živi 100.000 Hrvata (dok u Australiji približno isti broj) što je zaista smešno, jer cenzus iz 2006 godine čini mi se, pokazuje da je broj Hrvata u novom zelandu 1000. Ta brojka je dakle "Ustostručena". (Правичност (talk) 14:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC))

Misliš ... 600.000 Srba u Hrvatskoj onda :) .... promenilo se mnogo toga da, ali ti izvori su tu stajali već pre... nema veze... Taj izvor za hrvate koji si mi dao je jako nepouzdan... ali ja verujem da ima u Americi otprilike slično Hrvata kao i Srba - između 500.000 i 1 milion... tj. ljudi tih porekala. A i joshua project je bio pre tu, ja sam ga makao, pa sam ga natrag vratio... jer je korišćen i na drugim stranicama upravoo za Srbe iz Danske... a to što si reko da su Srbi sedmi po broju u Nemačkoj, debelo si slagao... Možda ljudi sa srpskim državljanstvom - tj. onaj izvor nemačkog cenzusa što si hteo da ga ubaciš... a taj zivor veze nema sa nacionalnim pripadnošćima. zna se da je pred otprilike 10 godina u nemačkoj živelo do 600.000 Srba a da se je taj broj do danas povećao na 700.000 uopšte nije začuđujuće s obzirom da svake godine 21.000 ljudi ode u nemačku samo iz Srbije ... a gde su još bosanski Srbi i ovi ostali... a tek oni Srbi što već sada imaju četvrtu generaciju života u Nemačkoj... A ono za novi zeland i hrvate... zaista mi s ečini smešno kako u tako velikačkoj australiji živi 120.000 hrvata a u tako malom zeladu pored skoro isti broj. Mada dobro možda grešim... U Čileu da živi skoro 400.000 hrvata je isto napucana brojka ako se ja pitam.. ali ja ne diram vaše pouzdane izvore... ako ti smetaju duple brojke kod Serbs zašto se ne pobuniš isto to kod engleza , grka naprimer... ne samo kod srba... nadam se d anije kompleks u pitanju... nego da budem realan... apdejtat ću te brojke sa što pouzdanijim izvorima, verovatno ću skloniti joshua project itd... ali to d aima u čikagu između 250 i 500.000 srba i u celoj SAD između 700 i 1 milion kaže više dabome pouzdanih izvora ... ima i onih koji kažu 2 milijona ... ali ja takve nisam stavljao kao što me ti osuđuješ...kad sama američka ambasada potvrđuje za čikago... šta će ti pouzdaniji izvor... tako da broj veće estimacije ide uz manji broj za ameriku i to je sve... nego bilo bi lepo kad bi se i ti složio ponekad sa mnom umesto da me osuđuješ. (Правичност (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2013 (UTC))

Nikad nisam ja bio nacionalan, možda samo principialan ali to "temporary" :); nije lepo da me nazivaš nacionalistom, a ja te pozivam da ako se ne budeš složio sa nekim source-om rađe napiši št amisliš o tom izvoru na mom talk pageu umesto da se bezveze prepucavamo na edit ware. I tako doprinesemo konsenzusu. A i veruj da pre nego što stavim neki izvor preupitam druge editore koji imaju više iskustva sa time. (Правичност (talk) 14:57, 15 May 2013 (UTC))

Eee ajd sad budi frajer pa uradi isto to i na drugim stranicama (english people, bulgarians, greeks) itd... Kakav pov? upitam "starešine wikipedije" za izvor, kažu ok. a tebi jedinom smeta... u čemu je sad problem? šta smo pričali ranije? ... svašta. (Правичност (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC))

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Hrvatski (disambiguation)

Please stop squabbling and edit-warring over a matter that you know is the topic of WP:ARBMAC. The use of the English term "Serbo-Croatian" is not inappropriate in that context - the Serbian word "hrvatski" also means the same thing so the cover term applies. Being hard-headed on a matter this insignificant (a single word) will merely make people think of you as an intransigent nationalist. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:26, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

According to the references in the article Serbo-Croatian, it's not how this one user says, it's how mainstream English linguists say. I know it's annoying to us native hrvatski speakers because it reminds us of the Yugoslav language policy regarding srpskohrvatski, but that's not really an issue for random English readers. For them, it's just a cover term that primarily conveys a functional meaning, not a political one. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:38, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Same battles concerning Serbs on "Slavs" article

Stop edit warring on "Slavs" article and removing sources that are used for figures of Serbs, because the same ones are used for "Serbs" article and those were accepted by all with a concensus. Stop doing everything opposite of Serbian editors, stop being nationalistic and dont concern yourself with articles with Serbian things too much, because its bad for your health as it seems.

We have been through the discussion over this same cause on "Serbs" talk page million times, there is no need to start it over again, you sucked at your nationalist claims before, you will suck again. There is just no backup in your claims... you freaking denie every Serbian source and call it nationalist, while you claim anything that inculdes a "pumped up , inflamed number of Croats" is a good source. If i were you i would rather concern my self with my real life, other than razoring my veins because it says 12 million Serbs on some article on wikipedia (which is too much for your stomach to handle) like you yourself do. Calm down with the fact that there are 1x more Serbs than Croats, stop living in illusions and stop hating and vandalizing reliable sources on Slavs article, like you also used to do with same sources on Serbs article. (Правичност (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC))

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I saw that this appeared again as a problem [1], please check the talk page, in the section "Now hear this", here is the link [2] where there was discussed this problem and are several sources for the higher estimate of the total number of Serbs in the world. Sources are there. Please check them. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 18:03, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Proffesional denier of reliable Serbian sources; the ultimate Croatian master of wikipedia disaster

A ovoga puta su izvori čak "SEPARATISTIČKI I NACIONALISTIČKI" jel :D hahah... do kojih ideja sve ti dolaziš iznova pa iznova. Kakvih pacijenata ima na ovoj vikipediji pa to je bože me sačuvaj :D. Samim tim što knjigu koja opisuje hrvatska zlodela i progon 250.000 Srba iz Hrvatske 1995 ali i govori o Srbima uopšte; ti nazivaš separatističkim i nacionalističkim izvorom, ti negiraš zločine, negiraš istinu a što je najgore negiraš svaki srpski izvor i svakog srpskog autora i time pokazuješ svoju ustašku naklonjenost. Otklanjanjem izvora za Croats na stranici Slavs i otklanjanjem veće estimacije Hrvata želio sam da ti pokažem, da ako su izvori za "Serbs" separatistički i nacionalistički, onda u istom primeru mogu biti i izvori za "Croats". Nego ja mislim, da se ti svo ovo vreme praviš lud, predragi internetni hrvatski dragovoljac. Nemožeš glupostima, da negiraš srpske izvore i ti i tvoj prijatelj ivanOS koji je veliki fan Franje Tuđmana očigledno. Moj savet je: Okanite se srpskih stranica i srpskih izvora, ne dirajte ih kao što Srbi ne diraju vaše napumpane izvore a dobro znaš da su napumpani, Hrvata nema više od 6-7 miliona sigurno - ali to je i dalje moje mišljenje :) neću da vodim ratove na wikipediji zbog toga, kao što to radiš ti i tvoji "saborci". Savetujem ti, da prestaneš mrziti i voditi borbe, biće ti bolje sa zdravljem.. Bolje ti je ..idi pa rađe gledaj u sunce ili tako nešto, pusti sebi malo srpske narodne i biće ti bolje :). Regards! (Правичност (talk) 20:19, 1 September 2013 (UTC))

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Funny, I saw what he wrote, he is attacking without arguments!--Ladimirevcanin (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to award it's my first. I hope is not last.--Ladimirevcanin (talk) 21:21, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello i need help with "Croats" article.They constantly revert my edit about Croatian as a standarized variety of SerboCroatian in the first part of the chapter."Serbs" article and "Bosniaks" article doesn't mention that fact so i don't know why would "Croats" article mention it.I mean it is said in the language section on "Croats" page why would it be so important to be mentioned in the first chapter of article.User Ivan Štambuk just reverts my edits saying "It is important and this need to be said".And that's all.I don't really see a point that "NEEDS" to be mentioned.See the article and say your thought Scrosby85 22:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Your repetitive violations of the edit warring policy, esp. in hot-button issues, are what caused this. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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I blocked for a month, due one changes. User: Joy violates rules of Wikipedia Wikipedia:Harassment#Wikihounding constantly follows me. On the talk page [3] no warning, that I break the rules in article Vukovar. Thanks! Šokac121 ℗ 11:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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I didn't decide to block because of a single edit; the article history clearly shows a pattern of edit warring. I wasn't following you anywhere, the block was warranted by actions on a single article that is on my watchlist. You were previously blocked for edit warring in October 2010 so I didn't think further warnings would help. Claiming that you had to be reminded of some of the basic behavioral rules here, after all this time, is dubious at best. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I think a block of a month is, in the circumstances, questionable. Also, the blocking administrator was involved, and therefore should not have been the one to place the block. In view of those two circumstances, I have reduced the block to three days. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:07, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

My sincere apologies for bungling the change to your block. I have just seen your email, and have lifted the block. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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