Talk:Typhoon Karen

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 24, 2013.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the damage wrought by Typhoon Karen in Guam in 1962 was considered worse than that of the American liberation of the island in 1944?

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Todo

Finish it. Be sure to link to the main seasonal article. Hurricanehink 20:30, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

JTWC PDF report on Karen NSL E _(T+C) at 06:05 UTC (2006-04-03)

Once this is longer than a stub I'll add a track map. — jdorje (talk) 23:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brought in a pic of Karen from the old documents where I got the others. Jake52 My talk 22:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice pic! Hurricanehink (talk) 01:53, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion

I'm in the process of expanding Typhoon Karen, I've already done some work on it. I'm gonna do more later. I believe i have enough information to get it to start, but I'm not sure, I'll just have to see. P.S if i made any spelling or grammatical errors you can fix them. Hurricane-Inu 22:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There I expanded it a lot will do more though Hurricane-Inu 00:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. You should talk to Hurricanehink to see if it's a Start. íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 00:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 01:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Typhoon Karen was the most powerful tropical cyclone to strike Guam and was regarded as one of the most destructive events in the island's history." - this could be shortened to "Typhoon Karen was the most powerful and one of the most destructive tropical cyclones in the history of Guam." Optional though.
- I'd like to keep it as is since it's not just one of the most destructive TCs, it's also one of the most destructive events, surpassing that of WWII on the island. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fix the link to Truk to Chuuk State
- Linked Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Striking Guam with unprecedented intensity, Karen devastated the island with winds estimated up to 280 km/h (185 mph)" - that contradicts the first lede paragraph which said winds on the island were 175 mph. Were gusts up to 185?
- Clarified as gusts Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is the IBT the most reliable? Since the data it came from would be from, say, 1963, is it the most accurate when it's said that Karen struck Guam with winds of 175 mph? The National Weather Service says 155 mph as of 2002. This is supported by the Guam section saying "post-storm reports estimated that sustained winds reached 250 km/h (155 mph) in some areas."
- Added a sentence in the met hist to say that post-storm analyses have indicated that storm may have been slightly weaker than initially believed. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should have a note somewhere that all damage totals are in 1962 USD.
- Added a note to the lede Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"as its eye became increasingly defined and small" - optional, but I think it reads better if it were "as its eye became small and increasingly defined."
- Changed to suggestion Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Between 0000 and 0340 UTC on November 8 to 9" - this should have the date and UTC matched. Otherwise it's confusing
- Moved stuff around. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Karen featured a 8 to 10 km (5 to 6 mi) wide eye and estimated surface winds of 295 km/h (185 mph)" - something is missing before "estimated", such as "had"
- Added "had" and caught another missing word later in the sentence ;) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"to undergo an Eyewall replacement cycle" - any reason for "Eyewall" and not "eyewall"?
- Me not paying attention. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"the typhoon's structure gradually became disorganized with its eye no longer well-defined by November 15" - a comma would be helpful
- Running running running running running running with run-onsssssss! Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"All personnel on the island were ordered to evacuate to typhoon-proof shelters and emergency rations were ordered to be prepared" - try finding a way to create parallelism here to avoid saying "were ordered" twice.
- Just removed the second instance. Basically kept the same meaning. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The United States Department of Defense stated that strategic air command planes stationed on the island were relocated to avoid damage" - I don't get why you have to say that the DoD stated this fact.
- Name dropping? Audino. Removed name drop Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Damage to vegetation was total across central areas of the island, with total defoliation taking place." - find a way to rewrite to avoid saying "total" twice.
- ~~Level~~ Complete Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Overall, the city was 85 percent destroyed while the villages of Yona and Inarajan were 97 and 90 percent destroyed respectively." - I'd add two commas (before while and before respectively), but that's just me.
- You're a better writer so I shall take your advice. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Losses from the antennae along reached $1 million." - something missing?
- Managed to type along instead of alone. Go figure. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Numerous across the island were also impassible" - roads? cats? gokarts?
- Definitely roads for Mario Kart. They were planning to make a new course in Guam, but then the ~~Fire Nation Attacked~~ typhoon hit. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Any examples of storm deaths?
- Added one. I'll search for some more. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" It was also stated that the rehabilitation effort over the past 17 years had been completely wiped out" - I'd say previous instead of past. What do you think?
- Doesn't matter to me. Changed it to previous. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gonna do aftermath in a bit. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Initially, residents across Guam were critical of the delayed response by the United States Government as no aid arrived within two days of the storm" - "as" isn't the best word. Do you mean that as "because", "while", "due to", "when"? Also, comma needed.
- Because + comma = corrected sentence Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"were to be made available to all civilians" - why the "to"?
- I think I was going somewhere else with this at first. Got rid of "to be" or not to be Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"With continued rains in the wake of the typhoon, news reports stated that the island had its saddest Thanksgiving in history with many unable to have a full meal' - as much as I love this sentence, you should rewrite it to avoid saying "with" twice.
- Does simply getting rid of the first "with" work? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"On November 21, insurance payments for losses were expected to exceed $12 million over a two-day period." - what does the "two-day period" mean?
- No idea, source didn't clarify. Removed the "two-day period" part to avoid confusion. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The United States Congress granted Guam with $15 million and provided an additional $45 million through federal loans in order for the territory to recover from the typhoon." - I don't think "granted" is the right word. To make a better distinction between free federal money and the loans, why not combine the totals and indicate what portion is loans? ("provided $60 million, of which $45 million through federal loans...")
- Tweaked sentence. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All in all pretty good! Lemme know when you get these. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review Hink!! I believe I've gotten to all of your comments. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]