Talk:Twitter, Inc./Archive 1

Archive 1

Elon Musk Ownership percentage

I have restored the current partial ownership by Musk, sourced to the SEC website. This is allowed by the infobox documentation, which says "Use this field for publicly traded companies only when the owner is a long-term strategic owner. . . Wiki-link where appropriate, and include the ownership percentage and a reference." UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

This feels premature, especially given "UNTIL THE TRANSACTION CLOSES" in the comment. If we're going by percentage and longevity, then "The Vanguard Group" is the top "owner" with 10.79% shares. Until the deal actually closes, Musk isn't the owner. passcod (talk) 04:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2022

It says twitter is no longer on the stock market after musk took over and it’s still listed and still showing on the stock market 2600:8801:AD00:F7C0:4801:828D:2BC3:3E7E (talk) 03:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 25stargeneral (talk) 04:29, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Musk denies that he is CEO

Contradicting anonymously-sourced reports since Friday, Elon Musk has said that he has no idea who Twitter's CEO is. According to the 8-K filing issued this morning, Twitter adopted new articles and bylaws that eliminate the duties of the CEO and the requirement to have one. He's the 100% owner, sole director, and he is managing the company without formalities. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

In a followup 13-D filing Monday evening, Musk confirmed that he is CEO. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 13:17, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Co-ownership of the company

After Musk's purchase, echoed by @frentecivico, scientist @JAIMELAGUNEZ proposed that Twitter be co-owned by all citizens of the world as a source of income for all. It would be great if you could include this information in the Wikipedia entry. Brichack (talk) 20:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2023

Please add the following merge template to the top of the article page.

{{merge from|List of the CEOs of Twitter Inc.|discuss=Talk:Twitter, Inc.#Merger proposal|date=January 2023}}

Thank you 76.14.122.5 (talk) 04:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Done. --Mvqr (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Neutrality concerns

I think that this article as a result of a fork has too heavily focused at Musk's acquisition. There should be a re-balancing to focus more on other stuff CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 04:25, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

I agree that there's a decent amount of WP:RECENTISM here, most notably in the history section where the Musk acquisition makes up more than half the content in the entire section. With the Acquisition of Twitter by Elon Musk spinoff page I see no issue cutting it down to just essentials; I'll take a pass at this but feel free to as well (I suspect it's an uncontroversial change). Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 19:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

First pass done here; I wasn't entirely sure what was safe to remove so mostly erred on details clearly on other pages. There's definitely WP:OVERCITE here too; we almost certainly do not need multiple citations for simple events like an SEC filing, though I kept most of the sources around since I didn't have time to trawl through all of them and figure out which details came from which citations. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 19:59, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

This thing was acquired by this person Musk and this company is totally integrated with this person, that is why there is so much talk about Elon Musk and Twitter. This is a private company now owned by this person. That's what people are talking about. You can forget about Jack Dorsey or whoever. That's the point. 202.9.47.19 (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

The page should describe Twitter. Jack Dorsey is one of the founders and former CEOs of Twitter. The Meta Boi (talk) 03:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I propose merging List of the CEOs of Twitter Inc. into Twitter, Inc. There is no need for a separate article for a list of the CEOs of Twitter. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:52, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. This article already has a list of CEOs. the only thing List of the CEOs of Twitter Inc. adds is a picture gallery. --Mvqr (talk) 13:45, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Creator of the List of the CEOs of Twitter Inc. here, I agree. Go ahead. StrawWord298944 (talk) 02:23, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Not enough to stand alone. ~ HAL333 06:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

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A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

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Twitter's Logo Has Changed

Twitter's logo has been changed to a Doge image called "Shiba Inu". Update It. InfoShahriar (talk) 12:31, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

we will when it get live. Tousif ❯❯❯ Talk 14:21, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Twitter Inc to X

Should we consider renaming this page to X? The suggestion i made not without reasons, because in New York Times it said X Holdings created by Elon Musk would handle the Twitter service MrHerii (talk) 03:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:COMMONNAME&redirect=no The Meta Boi (talk) 03:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we should rename the page for a couple reasons. First X Corp is a distinct legal entity from Twitter Inc which is now officially defunct, and second Elon Musk has hinted that X Corp will eventually expand to be more than what Twitter Inc was.CrumbCrumb (talk) 05:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

It seems that the merger of Twitter Inc and X Corp. is causing some confusion in the editing for this page. If this page is going to be updated to include specifically information about the founding and operations of X Corp (Such as replacing the list of founders, date of founding, etc) then I think it should be a separate from the Twitter, Inc page. CrumbCrumb (talk) 06:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Creation of a new Wikipedia article called X Corp.

Twitter Inc is the predecessor company. X Corp is a new company and deserves to have its own article. 2800:E2:1C80:35D:9811:2591:13C0:6433 (talk) 06:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• Warner Bros. Discovery has its own article. The predecessor companies also have their own wikipedia articles. WarnerMedia and Discovery, Inc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:e2:1c80:35d:9811:2591:13c0:6433 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@CrumbCrumb, you might want to move your comments above down to this newer section so they won't be missed.

I think that the merger of these articles might have been premature. I had created X Corp. as an intended temporary redirect to Twitter, Inc., but it was soon overwritten. In any case, I added hat notes to this and the similarly named X-Corporation articles to try to help those who might be confused. Funcrunch (talk) 07:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• New company should have its own article. Sharouser (talk) 10:06, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

yes. I think the article should be split. Wikidate47 (talk) 11:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

The long-term relationship between X and Twitter is not yet clear. If it turns out to be similar to that between Meta and Facebook, or between Alphabet and Google, then Meta Platforms might provide a good model for a new article. Certes (talk) 18:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I've reverted a hasty copy-paste move. Let's agree the best way to do this then perform a proper split, page move, etc. as appropriate. Certes (talk) 22:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like @‎ElijahPepe has gone ahead with splitting out X Corp., though Talk:X Corp. still redirects here as of this writing. Funcrunch (talk) 03:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this discussion when I created the article, for the record. Just figured X Corp, with the amount of press coverage it's garnered prior to its existence, is notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Temporary move protection

Hi all. Pagemoves temporarily disabled per WP:MOVP and a request at RFPP. Only for 1 week, which is hopefully enough to settle a talkpage consensus on possible moves/splits/no change. Also per wp:movp, this protection is not an endorsement of the current page location over any particular alternative. -- Euryalus (talk) 03:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

@Euryalus: User:Farzam.akbarian86 seems to have gotten around your move protection by blanking and redirecting the page just now. (Redirected to Twitter this time, not to X Corp.) Funcrunch (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I reverted the edit, but the hatnote now says "redirect" rather than "article"; not sure to fix. Funcrunch (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, have left them a note. The hatnote looks okay to me, but if it still looks odd let me know what you see and I'll fix. Relatedly, we now have the difficult situation of two duelling articles outlining Twitter's ownership structure. Could interested editors please redouble their enthusiasm for consensus about whether the article on Twitter's ownership structure should be here or at X Corp, or at some other location? That way we can merge/delete/maintain the different articles and reduce the chance of reader confusion. -- Euryalus (talk) 22:23, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, the hatnote looks OK now. I don't have strong feelings on where the ownership structure belongs and will defer to other editors on that for now. I just wanted the move-warring to stop. Funcrunch (talk) 00:35, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@Funcrunch:, @Farzam.akbarian86:, @Certes:, @ElijahPepe:, @Sharouser:, @Wikidate47:, @CrumbCrumb:, @MrHerii:, @The Meta Boi: as the accounts that have contributed to this discussion so far. Not pinging the IPs as they may have changed, but of course those editors and anyone else welcome to also help resolve this issue in discussion. -- Euryalus (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Elon Musk's Twitter File info dump to Matt Taibbi

The files in question detail internal company decisions to suppress certain news stories, often at the request and behest of those who would benefit from the censoring of that information. Would this not constitute a noteworthy (if still unfolding) development in the history of Twitter Inc. in the Elon Musk era? It just seems like an odd exclusion given how high profile the story has been. 137.103.185.216 (talk) 09:42, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Problem is, a LOT of the Twitter Files that Musk gave to Taibbi have been proven as SEVERLY edited. NOWHERE is there ANYTHING in the release that talks about Musk's time in charge. THAT is why it's not noteworthy. Hell, even former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey has challenged Musk to release ALL the info Musk has on Twitter.

Plus, the fact that Musk has now turned on Taibbi, so that just goes to show how credible both of them are. 2600:1700:C960:2270:243B:122E:914C:775C (talk) 05:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Past tense verbs in introduction

Twitter “was”, etc. twitter is still an active private corporation so was is not accurate Hungrygener (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a view on whether Twitter "is" or "was", but we should resolve the matter here and agree a consistent wording rather than edit warring over it. Certes (talk) 11:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Twitter is now part of X Corp. and multiple reliable sources say Twitter, Inc. has ceased to exist as a separate company. MRSC (talk) 11:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Twitter is NOT defunct, please see the section above.

Moreover, Elon has already appointed a new CEO Linda Yaccarino. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1657050349608501249 62.122.202.40 (talk) 16:44, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Best to follow the secondary sources, which note that the company has been rolled in to X Crop in some unknown configuration. If it's now being run as a notable division of X Corp., then spin out an article on that; just not sure how different it would be from the product since all corporate functions are now executing with X Corp. Sam Kuru (talk) 20:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

It seems clear to me that "is" should be used. The company continues to referred to as Twitter by reliable sources [1] [2] [3] [4], using "was" is just confusing. Just because there are clear sources on the restructuring of the company does not mean Wikipedia should immediately follow what appear to be mostly behind-the-scenes changes as guidance for the overall structure of this page. If X Corp becomes the commonly used name for the company in the future, it's worth making changes like this at that time. - Odin (talk) 23:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Twitter did not go defunct

Hello,

It is wrong to state that Twitter, Inc. *was* an American social media company. It did not go defunct, it was just taken over by X Holdings.

The details of the transaction are available in https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/1418091/000119312522272772/d411753d8k.htm

Twitter, Inc. is still operational as a subsidiary of X Holdings I, Inc. 62.122.202.207 (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

• According to the Nevada secretary of state’s online business portal, Elon Musk registered two new businesses in the state on March 9: X Holdings Corp., and X Corp. Then, on March 15, Musk applied to merge those Nevada businesses with two of his existing companies: X Holdings I with X Holdings Corp., and Twitter Inc. with X Corp. In the latter’s case, the articles of the merger mandate that X Corp. fully acquire Twitter—meaning that, for all intents and purposes, “Twitter Inc.” no longer exists as a Delaware-based company. Now it’s part of X Corp., whose parent company is X Holdings Corp. And that means X Holdings I no longer exists, either. Both X Holdings Corp. and X Corp. now fall under Nevada’s jurisdiction instead of Delaware’s. Source: https://slate.com/technology/2023/04/twitter-inc-x-corp-elon-musk-x-nevada.html --2800:E2:1C80:35D:9811:2591:13C0:6433 (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

  That still does not mean that Twitter, Inc. is defunct. Companies can legally change domicile, and now it is registered in Nevada still as Twitter, Inc., with the NV Business ID NV20232737052.

  This info can be found via the Nevada secretary of state Business Entity Search. Twitter, Inc. shows there as an active business. 62.122.202.27 (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  How regularly is that updated? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:49, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

  It seems odd that given the lack of clarity/certainty around this is, to default to significant changes to the page. Especially given that sources continue to refer to the company as Twitter. - Odin (talk) 23:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 25 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Invoking WP:SNOW here. Not even the nominator supports this move, and there is no company called X, Inc. Twitter merged into X Corp. which has its own article. (non-admin closure) WPscatter ^t/_c 14:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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Twitter, Inc. → X, Inc. – User:Zoomheroxdpro moved this page to "X, Inc." under the reasoning: "Name changed of company". I've reverted it and started a move discussion so that the move can be discussed. This is not an endorsement of the move. :3 F4U (they/it) 12:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: What the company officially calls itself is less important that what reliable sources call it. If there's evidence that reliable sources already no longer refer to the company as Twitter, Inc. and instead consistently refer to it as X, Inc., then I'd support the change -- but I'd need to see that evidence. ╠╣uw [talk] 12:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Twitter, Inc., as told in the article, is a defunct company which doesn’t exist any more. This article doesn’t need to be renamed. Current Twitter owner is X Corp.. People are just being too hasty about trying to follow the czar Elon. stjn 12:42, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. The article is about a defunct company. Twitter, Inc. didn't change its name, because it doesn't exist anymore. It was merged into X Corp. in April, which is the current corporate entity. WolfmanFP (talk) 12:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, and consider WP:SNOW. The company that was Twitter Inc. (i.e. before Musk takeover) functionally no longer exists; X Corp is a different company and legal entity.

213.105.99.162 (talk) 13:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose no

Sebbog13 (talk) 13:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. The common name is still Twitter as that's what it is best known by. JIP | Talk 13:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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RIP Twitter

It is now known as X 2407:E400:A018:AE00:60BB:A408:9413:22C4 (talk) 13:44, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Change company website to archive link

Given that this article is about the former company running Twitter and that https://about.twitter.com/ was recently changed as part of the service's ongoing rebrand, it may make sense to use an archive.org link in the infobox and external link section to show how the website looked while Twitter, Inc. was around. - Odin (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Employee Count Update

Hi. A couple of hours ago the CEO, Linda Yaccarino, said the company has 1,500 employees on a CNBC interview. Due to the protection on the page I cannot update. Could someone with the required 'security clearance' update the info? Here is the source: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/10/x-corp-ceo-linda-yaccarino-says-she-has-autonomy-under-elon-musk.html Also, for the actual recording: https://twitter.com/lindayax/status/1689637368998010881?s=46 Mstf221 (talk) 16:04, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done. This article is about a company that ceased to exist in April 2023. The employee count should be the figure that was correct in April 2023. MRSC (talk) 17:21, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 August 2023

Twitter is now called X and the CEO is Elon Musk 74.15.57.130 (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

This is covered in the article already. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

edit request on 9 October 2023

2001:16A2:C13E:49B3:A0C0:BFDE:F347:67D (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 November 2023

I recommend that the twitter logo gets changed to the new "X" logo. This is because Elon Musk had recently changed the logo and instead set it as a white "X" in a black background in 2023. Thank you for understanding, I look forward to seeing this change. I can see that the logo is set as the older white bird in blue background logo, but considering the new change made by Musk, it might be clearer to most people if the logo was changed to "X." ChefGalaini (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This article is about the defunct social media company Twitter, Inc. After Musk acquired it, the company has become X Corp., which is a separate article. Liu1126 (talk) 16:23, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Musk Love Sidebar

Why does the sidebar claim "this is part of a series about Elon Musk". Twitter/X exists independently of its current owner. Get rid of the giant list of Musk crap on the side and keep it on topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qrater (talk • contribs) 23:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Apple doesn't have a sidebar noting that it's part of a series about Steve Jobs and it's pretty jarring here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.93.78.3 (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)