Talk:Tony Hinchcliffe/Archive 1

Archive 1

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (your reason here) --StrictlyRebel (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

This comedian just had his first stand up show and is on NetFlix, there is nothing about him scarcely and it would be useful for people to learn more about him. I am working on getting more sources and info. I cannot dedicate a whole day to getting it fully sourced. I will add an image and more sources soon.

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021

Add the word “racist” in the lead sentence. 173.73.149.196 (talk) 03:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for obvious BLP reasons. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 03:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Controversy

The controversy section would be improved if it included some of Hinchcliffe's statements about the incident, especially considering it includes response commentary from Dang. Currently it is a biased one-sided take on the incident in question. Brakoholic (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

The article leaves it unclear as to whether Hinchcliffe was obviously joking when he uttered that phrase, which he was. 71.247.0.98 (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

youtube video and commentary and edit warring

Ok, make your case here please. Malerooster (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

What is the point of this? This very 'talk' page has a request for exactly what I've posted

"The controversy section would be improved if it included some of Hinchcliffe's statements about the incident, especially considering it includes response commentary from Dang. Currently it is a biased one-sided take on the incident in question. Brakoholic (talk) 13:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article leaves it unclear as to whether Hinchcliffe was obviously joking when he uttered that phrase, which he was. 71.247.0.98 (talk) 23:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)"

rac·ism

noun

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

The key word there is 'typically' - Dang mentions race/ethnicity MORE than 15 times in 10 minutes...Dang decided to pander, and it backfired because Tony took it the other direction...which backfired because Dang recorded and uploaded the one-sided version of the events....which backfired because Tony's popularity increased afterward, while Dang has *NO UPCOMING SHOWS* https://www.pengdangcomedy.com/ ....it's almost as though attempting to sabotage someone can sabotage yourself!

The Heading for that section is "Controversy"; how in the world can someone justify not showing the entire un-edited video? Context matters, and the section as it currently sits could more appropriately be described as 'Biased Racial Incident'....it does not included any CONTRAVENING information, just negativity about Tony and none about Dang. 2600:8803:AC00:53:9567:3AE4:3935:4654 (talk) 01:22, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

That YouTube video is a wp:self-published source. Not an acceptable source for such criticism. See WP:BLPSPS. Adakiko (talk) 01:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

"Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the subject matter, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications."

Ari Shaffir meets this criteria; it's also fairly plaintive that videos are self-evident...the content is the incident, in this case.

Further, Dang's video was self-published and *is* linked. Get it together y'all.

The video from Ari illuminates the actual series of events; it is *more* relevant than a clipped version. 2600:8803:AC00:53:9567:3AE4:3935:4654 (talk) 03:34, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Just wanted to back the point that the video from Ari was indeed a better portrayal of everything. Literally just shows the whole set without commentary. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 05:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

This is why there is so little respect for this platform. The most hateful people without friends, having nothing better to do, will override corrections and context to try to feel powerful. Tony's comments on himself seem highly relevant. 2604:CA00:119:814C:0:0:60:6DE4 (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

This is comical: what a one-sided, obviously-slanted take on the issue. Congrats on contributing to the decline in this website’s reputation and quality. 97.94.101.175 (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2023

Tony was dropped by his agency, and is now represented by a much bigger agency. Tony has tried to reach out to Dang Peng multiple times and Dang Peng did not reply. Tony did a set where it was clear that he was referencing Dang Peng set where he was insulting comedically white people.

There is a whole 1 hour podcast showing Tony's side of the story, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5DtpgTOfA4. What is written below is very one sided and needs to be more balanced! Otherwise this article is for the news and not the unbiased Wikipedia.

In May 2021, Hinchcliffe was videotaped insulting Peng Dang, an Asian American comedian who had introduced Hinchcliffe after performing the previous set at Vulcan Gas Company in Austin. Hinchcliffe said Dang was a "filthy little fucking chink", followed with a series of Asian stereotypes in a mock Chinese accent, and lashed out at audience members who laughed at Dang's jokes, branding them as "race traitors". The video was later shown on Twitter, which went viral and received criticism.[18] As a result, Hinchcliffe was dropped by his agency WME, removed from shows scheduled with Joe Rogan in Austin, and the Austin nightclub Antones announced that it would no longer be involved with Hinchcliffe or his Kill Tony live show.[18][19][20]

Vulture reported that during his set, Hinchcliffe stated that Chinese people came to Austin because of the bats and criticized offended audience members for "believing he was serious".[21] Dang stated he did not receive any apology from Hinchcliffe following the incident.[21] Kin1793 (talk) 08:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: We need secondary and reliable sourcing for the claims you are making and the exact prose to be inserted for this edit request to be reviewable. —Sirdog (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2023

Following the released video of Peng Dang's comedy set, that was immediately prior to the set Tony did with the controversial jokes, Peng stopped his media tour. In the unedited video of both sets, Tony was repeating what Peng had said and then was chastising the crowd for laughing at stereotypes.

Further evidence showed that Tony indeed tried to contact Peng multiple times as did other colleagues. Peng has been since accused of character assassination and a false collaborative cancellation effort.

Tony Hinchcliffe has since become a star in his podcast and continues to roast fellow comedians at an even greater audience level than before the incident. 2604:3D08:9181:1200:49C6:22CC:4C9E:9DD8 (talk) 22:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2023

Tony went on to grow his audience after the attempted cancellation on him. Klreglos (talk) 16:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —Sirdog (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2024

The page is very biased. It does not reflect what happened after the full video was released of Tony's set. It does not reflect the Twitter accounts that were releasing tweets even before the videos were released. ErskineJ (talk) 05:00, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 05:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hinchcliffe on Triggernometry

Tony Hinchcliffe tells this story with Dang on the British podcast Triggernometry (October 29, 2023) and if he is correct, the entry here leaves out a lot: Dang did a very anti-Whites rant right before H's. own set and Hinchcliffe basically just responded in kind. H. also says, that Dang had refused to talk to him, when a storm was brewing on H.'s Twitter account, well before the shit really hit the fan. The whole thing died, Hinchcliffe says, after his copy of both (uncut) sets was put out on Ari Shariff's Twitter account.--Ralfdetlef (talk) 04:25, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I found that the part in the Triggernometry episode between 46:22 and 47:02 starts here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5DtpgTOfA4&t=2782s, tells us that Tony was basically responding to the material Deng had been doing. This is the exact material Tony was talking about (Peng performing it here): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XizKz6y0LU&t=382s, from 6:22 to 10:00. Shouldn't both of these sources be used in this article? Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 09:22, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree, why was my edit deleted with the video where it has the material of both comedians?

It is in youtube, but Apparently I cannot post the video here.

The whole wiki page seems very onesided. It should be more neeutra. Kin1793 (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, needs a secondary source like an article in a newspaper or a magazine or something like that rather than just a youtube video I think. I can't find anything other than the Triggernometry episode. Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 07:33, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Tony's personal response on a podcast shouldn't require secondary sourcing--I'll try to get around to making an attempt here. Thanks for establishing the timestamps. SmolBrane (talk) 16:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

That should be fine, as long as it's made clear that it is his personal response and in text attribution is used. Essentially it's an application of WP:SELFSOURCE in that it describes the subject's comments, not an interpretation of the events that involved other parties. Liu1126 (talk) 22:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2024

Change the claim that the comedian Tony Hinchliffe was genuinely racist towards the comedian Peng Dang as it is a false claim that has been disproven across various, legitimate sources which revealed the original, unedited video of the show - Ari Shaffir's official Youtube site https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XizKz6y0LU , proving that Peng Dang had strategically edited the video and manipulated the situation to gain fame for himself at the expense of Tony Hinchliffe and purposefully causing serious damage to the career and reputation of Tony Hinchcliffe.

Remove the claim that the comedian Deng Peng is yet to receive an apology from the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe as it is not merited and is misleading in the claim that Tony Hinchcliffe was genuinely racially abusive towards him.

Include the fact that the comedian Deng Peng was also racially abusive in jest prior to the response of comedian Tony Hinchcliffe as is par for the course of the "Kill Tony" standup style which is also known as a "roast battle".

Include the information that Deng Peng's actions involved suspicious events that are described in the full interview and exposee with the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe on the British political discussion podcast "Triggernometry" via https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5DtpgTOfA4

In good faith and with honesty we write the truth on Wikipedia. Chrys O'Poeia (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The first video is a primary source which cannot be used for interpretations like the ones you're putting forward. The second is a self-published source both in terms of being an individually run podcast and being an interview of the subject of this article (and WP:SELFSOURCE does not apply here as it involves claims about other parties). Liu1126 (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Remove the text that falsely claims that the comedian Joe Rogan removed him from his show or correct the text to state that Joe Rogan advised Tony Hinchcliffe to take time out of the spotlight due to the death threats he was receiving from the fans of Deng Peng.

Remove the text "Hinchcliffe said Dang was a "filthy little fucking chink", followed with a series of Asian stereotypes in a mock Chinese accent, and lashed out at audience members who laughed at Dang's jokes, branding them as "race traitors" and "..stated that Chinese people came to Austin because of the bats and.." as these jokes taken out of context are not representative of the actual situation. This is misinformation and liable to cause defamation of the comedian Tony Hinchcliffe's character and the possibility of real life danger to his person, to directly cause misunderstanding of the comedic format that would provoke unnecessary retaliation, racial anger, insult of the Chinese people. Chrys O'Poeia (talk) 12:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

You need reliable sources for that. Liu1126 (talk) 12:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

For what? Chrys O'Poeia (talk) 12:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

For all the claims you're making here. Liu1126 (talk) 12:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Look below Cozyjoney (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Killtony hasn't been hosted at the comedy store in years

that line needs to be updated HGuffy (talk) 04:26, 12 July 2024 (UTC)