Talk:Tiresias/Archive 1

Archive 1

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This is just a general question the validity of many of the pieces of information on the pages.....are they valid OR are they filled with innacurate "mumbo jumbo" that does not OR cannot accurately reflect positively truthful information?-----

Zeus and Hera

If Tiresias agreed with Zeus that women experienced more pleasure during sex, isn't that good news for women? Why would Hera be upset that women got more pleasure? Was she more interested in being correct than receiving more pleasure? Kingturtle 01:28, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Was she more interested in being correct than receiving more pleasure? Yes, basically she was a petty bitch :) Adam Bishop 01:30, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Well, there's that, but there's also the fact that it was additional info for Zeus to use to his advantage when importuning her for sex. Zeus was clearly the more sexually preoccupied of the couple. One gets the impression that Hera really didn't like to "put out"...so Zeus sought his pleasure elsewhere. -- Someone else 01:36, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Moreover, Hera was simply proven wrong. No one likes that, particularly not gods. --Mgreenbe 20:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Or most likely, Tiresias was simply lying to annoy Hera and join the masculine side of the discussion, once he was again among those of the male sex. It seems highly dubious that a mysoginistic society such as the ancient Greeks, who saw women as inferior in almost every area, would sincerely believe that women had more pleasure during sex (which, by the way, science has already proven to be a wrong assumption, since male and female orgasms are virtually the same). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.22.70.198 (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

What the hell? Hera was a "sensuous seductress who heartily approved of sex"? She was in a loveless marriage with Zeus, who was always having affairs and thus she tried to kill his lovers.--60.227.224.150 05:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hera got angry, because Tiresias gave the secret (women had more pleasure) away, she wanted that knowledge to stay with women. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.19.71 (talk) 03:53, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Error in the Article

there is an error in the article "After the Seven Against Thebes battle, Tiresias appears in the tales associated with Oedipus. In Oedipus Rex, by Sophocles, Oedipus calls upon Tiresias to aid in the investigation of the killing of Laius. ". The battle of the seven against thebes is after oedipus lefts the throne to his sons, so how could be oedipus rex be considered to happen "after" the "seven agains thebes"?????

Perhaps that was meant to refer to the fact that the Oedipus plays of Sophocles were written after Aeschylus's "Seven Against Thebes". -- Tms 06:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Ambiguitiy

Question: The article says, "Tiresias died after drinking the water from the spring Tilphussa, struck by an arrow of Apollo."

Was Tiresias struck by the arrow, or was the spring struck by the arrow? — RPT & CET

Genesis Reference

The Genesis song "The Cinema Show" is about this legend, I don't really know if that's worth putting on the page or not so I'm posting it here.

Yes, it sure does, but the Genesis song is drawing more on the references found in T. S. Eliot's modernist poem, "The Wasteland", both in terms of themes and structure (alternating the banal with classical references and using avoiding linear narrative.) Cheers. 210.50.56.47 (talk) 04:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Pron.?

Ty - REE - see - ass or Ti - ri - SIGH - as? Or have I got it all wrong? --62.255.236.54 00:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

QE-RA-SI-JA

This section is mostly unreadable, could someone that understands it make it understandable for a layman? IMFromKathlene 21:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Sources

I can't find anything about how Lady Tiresias was a prostitute of great renown and have tried to find other documents that back up a lot of claims made in this article but have had a difficult time finding anything. There needs to be a lot more citations on this page. IMFromKathlene 21:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't locate any of Greek mythology's "many hermaphroditic figures" aside from Hermaphroditus. --Wetman 00:16, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Still no source: I'll remove this asserive bit until someone who has another hermaphrodite in Greek myth pipes up. --Wetman 10:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I happened upon a source here about the great renown http://www.in2greece.com/english/historymyth/mythology/names/tiresias.htm

However, the bit was already back in the article before I checked.--Mizst 14:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

"Classical works" changed to "literary classics", to avoid ambiguity of word, "classical" --Ste175 08:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please include that Tiresias appears in Igor Stravinsky´s Opera "Oedipus Rex"? That, I believe merits being on this page...

Deletion of "Homer's Odyssey: Voyage to the Underworld" from "In post-classical literature"

Why was the information about the radio drama "Homer's Odyssey: Voyage to the Underworld" deleted from the "In post-classical literature" section? This section currently includes many references to the appearance of the character Tiresias in popular culture, including films based on his story, song lyrics that mention his name, musicals chronicling his deeds, novels that use the iconic nature of his character to shape other characters which do not even use his name. "Homer's Odyssey: Voyage to the Underworld" was a dramatic adaptation of the Homeric epic, which included Odysseus' encounter with Tiresias on the isle of Hades. How is this irrelevant to this section? Soundout (talk) 01:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"Post-classical literature"

... it did not need to be cleaned up, it needed to be deleted. Even the first part, which would have been the only interesting thing to discuss, was worthless since it cited no references and made preposterous claims regarding the interpretation of Tiresias' answer. Even the translation, using the exact words "ordinary guy", can be considered bad, at best.

-Jeppe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.223.205.132 (talk) 07:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The section on so-called "post-classical literature" needs to be cleaned up badly. Much of what is listed is not, strictly speaking, literature, and little to none of it is referenced. Frankly, I do not give one jot about Genesis lyrics (and that entry is very poorly-written) and much of the other trivial examples. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 15:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with removing sourced material altogether. There's a debate to be had about what "popular culture" references are notable enough to mention, though note that the Genesis song does have its own article (WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid objection). Perhaps we could make the information more brief (e.g., there's no need to put the actual lyrics, for example). Mdwh (talk) 00:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Not "liking it" quite aside, the entries in the non-bulleted list need to be integrated as text and made relevant, so that they add to the reader's understanding of the subject, Tiresias. The means to assess relevance is not strongly featured in American state-funded education, it would appear.--Wetman (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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Bibliotheke III.6.7 translation

Bibliotheke III.6.7 is cited a number of times in the article. I just wanted to point out a translation at Project Perseus:

Apollodorus, Library

Sir James George Frazer, Ed.

Apollod. 3.6.7

at URL http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0022%3Atext%3DLibrary%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D6%3Asection%3D7 WikiParker (talk) 20:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Embroidered?

The fourth paragraph in the Overview sections begins with, "In Hellenistic and Roman times Tiresias' sex-change was embroidered upon and expanded into seven episodes,[...]"
Embroidered??? I suspect "embellished" was the word intended here.
— al-Shimoni (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

"Embellished" is probably the more appropriate word. Thanks for pointing this out. --Katolophyromai (talk) 18:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Irrelevancies

The following pieces of text from § Tiresias and Thebes relate only to the works they discuss; they say nothing about Tiresias himself. I have deleted them and marked their former locations in the text with HTML comments:

• Oedipus has handed over the rule of Thebes to his sons Eteocles and Polynices but Eteocles refused to share the throne with his brother. Aeschylus' Seven Against Thebes recounts the story of the war which followed. In it, Eteocles and Polynices kill each other.
• However, Antigone has already hanged herself rather than be buried alive. When Creon arrives at the tomb where she is to be interred, his son, Haemon who was betrothed to Antigone, attacks Creon and then kills himself. When Creon's wife, Eurydice, is informed of her son and Antigone's deaths, she too takes her own life.

--Thnidu (talk) 02:17, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Trivial mentions

These mentions do not appear to be significant. "Appears in", the title of an episode "involving a man who can see the future", and "is mentioned in the last verse" do not indicate that the character is important in the work. And from the description of the Invisible Man" episode, we don't even know if Tiresias themself appears, or is only alluded to by the title because the plot involves a prescient character. I have deleted them and copied them here to ease the task of restoring them with evidence that they here.

• Tiresias appears in Three Cantos III (1917) and cantos I and 47 in the long poem The Cantos by Ezra Pound.
• The TV series The Invisible Man included an episode called "Tiresias", involving a man who can see the future.
• Tiresias is mentioned in the last verse of the song "Castle Walls" by Styx

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--Thnidu (talk) 21:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Removed outdated item

I removed the following bullet point fromn the "In the Arts" section

• From November 5 to 7 2018, on the stage at the Greek Theater of Syracuse will be presented the show Conversation with Tiresias performed by Italian writer Andrea Camilleri and directed by Roberto Andò

This is obviously outdated, and looks to me rather trivial, but I preserve it here in case someone can find sources about Conversation with Tiresias that make it worth including. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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