Talk:The Wheel of Time (TV series)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Filming

There should be more in the filming section. Aren't there any interviews with Rafe Judkins that discuss details? The Production section might need more expansion.

Theobliviaf (talk) 09:36, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

2015 pilot

Any addition of the pilot that ran in 2015 in a paid infomercial timeslot?

https://gizmodo.com/the-real-story-about-that-wheel-of-time-pilot-that-aire-1684773094 indy_muaddib (talk) 12:16, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

It is mentioned under The Wheel of Time (TV series)#Background and The Wheel of Time#Television and film, but I'm unconvinced about giving it more prominence within this article given how separate the two productions are.--Alexandra^IDV 12:43, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Grammar in introductory paragraph

Check the last sentence of the introductory paragraph for grammar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.56.67.255 (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I've tweaked the lead.--Alexandra^IDV 23:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Rotten Tomatoes error

There's an error in Rotten Tomatoes score. They're calculating it like there was eleven, not 21 negative reviews - it may be a random error, or it's purposeful misinformation. Either way we shouldn't repeat it! Mithoron (talk) 22:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there any reliable coverage of this? I'm not sure what you want done. Nemov (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

It's a simple maths - Tomatometer is the percent of positive reviews - this time it's shown erroneously. We should write the numbers of positive and negative reviews and either skip rating, or write it, but tell how it doesn't add up. BTW do we have some RT logged users around? Someone should intervene there. Mithoron (talk) 23:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

It's not really our jobs to do investigative reporting. If there's something published on a reliable site about the subject then we can include it here, but this isn't really our problem. - Nemov (talk) 01:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Mithoron Please do not make any further changes to that section until you have support to do so or you could be blocked for making further edits. Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 14:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

This is very much our problem when a source we use becomes unreliable. Wikipedians need to be always careful about that. The moment we stop caring if sources we use are give actually correct information, then we become no better then bot copy/pasting random stuff. I'm going with this to other user who maybe get my point. Mithoron (talk) 14:40, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It appears you are attempting to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. On Wikipedia, you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in books from reputable publishing houses. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead; we follow. Nemov (talk) 14:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

• BTW, if there is an error, the first (and best) thing to do is to contact Rotten Tomatoes to fix the problem. You can reach support services here. ภץאคгöร 15:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I googled and it's probably an artifact of how they calculated it - it seems it became an average of two averages when 4th episode came out. I guess I got worked up unnecessarily, but if that indeed was an error, it would be pretty serious issue. Still, such scores should not be considered some black boxes, I think I'm gonna look into it some more Mithoron (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
  • If that is true then, another issue appears - now this score is not only based on 68 reviews of the 1st season, as mentioned in the article, but also 6 reviews of 4th episode - article isn't accurate. I have yet to find proof that it works like that, though. Mithoron (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Episode table

Is "dragonmount.com" a reliable source? It seems to be a fan forum. It clearly states Dragonmount.com is a fan-maintained website dedicated to Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time fantasy series. If a reliable source cannot be provided for the contents of the episode table, it needs to be either hidden or removed. -- /Alex/₂₁ 09:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a fansite and not usable as a source on WP. It should be replaced with an RS asap - is it known where Dragonmount got their information from?--Alexandra^IDV 10:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

No, they don't cite any sources. In the [14] ref, they state Amazon have declined to confirm so far, as with most things about the project, All the evidence is pointing towards, etc. None of this is confirmation. -- /Alex/₂₁ 04:21, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Prior to its removal, the table listed the WGA database as a source. The WGA ought to be sufficiently reliable for the kind of information we attribute to it. Gabbe (talk) 11:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, this seems usable, as long as we only write what is explicitly mentioned on the page and nothing we infer from knowledge of the novels (no unsourced episode numbers).--Alexandra^IDV 11:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Correct, as long as the episodes are listed in the form shown at Star Trek: Discovery (season 3) or The Flight Attendant (TV series). -- /Alex/₂₁ 06:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Joeyconnick (talk · contribs) I don't fully understand your revert on my edit to the episode table to include episodes 7 and 8. I've seen multiple people mistakenly take the table to mean that the show has 6 episodes when many sources have stated 8. I'm not sure what standards your referring to, but when your encyclopedia page is repeatedly misrepresenting information that it exists to delineate I think you at least need to pause and consider.... I've added episodes 7 and 8 back with additional citations and more information. I've added the citations as best I can, though I'm worried I may have done something improperly. Everything I've added has multiple sources. I'm happy to assist if something needs to be corrected.--Jofwu (talk) 07:55, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Talking about episodes it says on Wikipedia November 19 yet the official Amazon website says November 18. CarverSindile (talk) 10:14, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

This is as far as I can tell as time zone thing. Episodes premiere at midnight UTC between Thursday and Friday, so if you for example live in the Americas it will show as the 18th.--Alexandra^IDV 23:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Is that something that should be explained in the Wikipedia article/page or not? If not, why? CarverSindile (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Due to the nature of time zones, anytime we say that anything happens on a date, in that exact moment it will be also another day somewhere else on the planet. Unless we have a reliable source discussing the release timing of WoT, it does not seem out of the ordinary and therefore probably not worth mentioning.--Alexandra^IDV 05:31, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok. CarverSindile (talk) 12:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2021

The wheel of time tv page is wrongfully claiming to be based on the book series by the same name. The correct language for this is “very loosely” based on.

Sources: The wheel of time books written by Robert Jordan The wheel of time tv show written by Rafe Nader

Addendum: The amount of changes from the book to the screen adaptation is so great that it can only be described as inspired by or very loosely based on original material.

Change based on to loosely inspired by or very loosely based on Logargon (talk) 21:05, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done:Same answer as above. If you find WP:RS to support change then you can make the change. Nemov (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Adaptations always change things, and there are always fans who are upset that an adaptation is not a line-by-line reproduction. This is nothing out of the ordinary, and "loosely inspired by" or any other phrase trying to characterize the show as illegitimate because it's not the perfect dream adaptation is inappropriate regardless of how you or I may feel about it.--Alexandra^IDV 21:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2021

The page states the 'number of episodes' as 6, when it is 8 as listed further in in the page. This may be meant as there are 6 episodes that have come out, but if so I would suggest 'number of episodes' is a misleading title. Hdgfg (talk) 18:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The "number of episodes" in the infobox is for how many episodes have been released, and increments each week as new episodes come out. This is how it works on all TV show articles on WP, not just this one.--Alexandra^IDV 20:00, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Season 3

Small Screen is reporting that season 3 has been approved. Schazjmd (talk) 19:09, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Will need a better source than this to justify inclusion. Nemov (talk) 19:48, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in this article.

The last paragraph of Casting and the section regarding Filming Season 2 can't both be correct chronologically. There are casting announcements made long after filming commenced and in one case, months after filming was scheduled to be completed. Casting announcements happen when they happen, so it would appear that the filming information is no longer correct. Camwad83 (talk) 07:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Good catch, Casting announcements are not the same as the actual casting. I tried to make the casting section more clear. Stevewonderbelt (talk) 14:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Episode redirects

Episode redirects, should separate articles be created:

1. Leavetaking (The Wheel of Time)
2. Shadow's Waiting
3. A Place of Safety (The Wheel of Time)
4. The Dragon Reborn (The Wheel of Time episode)
5. Blood Calls Blood
6. The Flame of Tar Valon
7. The Dark Along the Ways
8. The Eye of the World (The Wheel of Time episode)

Note that some of the above redirects require the extra "episode" per WP:NCEPISODE, to disambiguate them from the book entries of the same name. -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:41, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Falsified information

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Saying that the wheel of time tv is based on the books is entirely misleading as it is at most a very loosely based adaptation. Only using names and generalized themes in its similarities. Logargon (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

if you wish to make a change cite some WP:RS to support your change. The word adaptation is a perfectly fine word for converting a written piece of work into film. If you disagree, you'll have to find some sources in order to make a compelling argument. Nemov (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I think some people have different ideas about what the word "adaptation" means, I don't think it is helpful to add qualifiers such as "loosely" and it would be better if this encyclopedia article had more detail in the Production section that explained more about any significant changes from books. For example the aging up of the characters already gets a mention. There might be other significant differences worth highlighting, the addition of a totally new character Perrin's wife[1] seems like it might be worth mentioning. -- 109.79.175.164 (talk) 12:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

This is not a loose adaption, the plot is exactly the same. Pl2356 (talk) 05:35, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

You have probably never read WoT series then. In just first episode there are characters never shown in the books with romantic plots. 78.80.191.60 (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

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Origins Animated Shorts

Hey folks, so there has been news that the animated "origins" companion series will be receiving new episodes starting in August 2022(https://collider.com/the-wheel-of-time-origins-season-2-trailer-release-date-lan-mandragoran/). Since it will evidently have a separate release schedule from the main show going forward, and has its own cast and crew apart from the show's cast, I was thinking maybe that warrants giving Origins it's own section within this page? Or would a separate article be more appropriate? Stevewonderbelt (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)