Talk:The Living Tombstone

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Articles for creation

	This article was reviewed by member(s) of WikiProject Articles for creation. The project works to allow users to contribute quality articles and media files to the encyclopedia and track their progress as they are developed. To participate, please visit the project page for more information.Articles for creationWikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creationTemplate:WikiProject Articles for creationAfC articles
	This article was accepted from this draft on 1 February 2023 by reviewer Pythoncoder (talk · contribs).

Electronic music Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Electronic music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Electronic music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Electronic musicWikipedia:WikiProject Electronic musicTemplate:WikiProject Electronic musicelectronic music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Internet culture Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Internet culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of internet culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Internet cultureWikipedia:WikiProject Internet cultureTemplate:WikiProject Internet cultureInternet culture articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Internet culture To-do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : View all requested internet culture articles
Expand : Pick an article from here or here
Photo : Category:Internet culture articles needing images
Stubs : All stubs are located here
Other : Category:Internet self-classification codes (!?); Try to get YouTube to FA; Tag all articles you find with {{WikiProject Internet culture}}
- See also Category:Internet culture articles needing attention

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

Video games Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of video games on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Video gamesWikipedia:WikiProject Video gamesTemplate:WikiProject Video gamesvideo game articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks:

Summary of Video games WikiProject open tasks

AfDs

Gilman Louie (1 participant)
Yoshimitsu (1 participant)
Dr. Wily (2 participants)
First Internet Backgammon Server (2 participants)
Emote (2 participants)
Stardew Valley Guidebook (2 participants)
Train simulator (disambiguation) (8 participants)
Preston Arsement (4 participants)
Jackpot World (3 participants; relisted)
Melee (game terminology) (6 participants; relisted)
Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (7 participants; relisted)
Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (7 participants; relisted)

Merge discussions

Other discussions

No major discussions

Very Clear The Subject of This Article Wrote The Whole Thing

This is written like a puff piece about the band and how much attention they've gotten from various internet sources. The validity of this band (as it's just a youtube channels that follow children's trends to gain clicks) is questionable, and may warrant deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.161.192.15 (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lmao Raskuly (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of The Living Tombstone

The Living Tombstone is notable because they meet the criteria for WP:WEBCRIT, WP:BAND, and WP:GNG, in that there's enough significant coverage of the band along with the songs and videos they make in publications such as NME, LA Weekly, Insider, IGN, Shacknews, Gamekult and Polygon - all of which should be reliable per WP:VG/RS, WP:RSPSS and WP:A/S. Also, the claim that they’re the internet's biggest gaming band should be a strong indicator of notability in and of itself, considering it came from one of most reputable music and media outlets - NME. One could argue that it's puffery, but I disagree with this as it's perfectly in line with WP:NPOV in that it's the attributed assertion of the publication (compare to the "Bringers of Death" example on WP:PUFF).

Overall, I did the best I could with the draft, so I’m submitting via AfC. If you have any concerns or comments, I would appreciate it if you would let me know here first before officially reviewing. Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Topic: Missing music from the article, downplaying of validity as an artist

Many songs and the notable group 'TwentyTen' TLT was a part of are missing fully from the article. Some related example songs (links removed due to perceived wiki restrictions about youtube):

TwentyTen - Moving On [Bring Da LULZ, Mic The Microphone, The Living Tombstone, WoodenToaster/Glaze, Amethyst(?)]

Lost On The Moon feat. Rina Chan [WoodenToaster + The Living Tombstone]

Not sure where else to put this topic, but there's a lot more info that should be used to show the importance of TLT's role in the MLP music community, as in that era the iconic sound Yoav and collaborators produced is quite notable in understanding how TLT grew an audience and have their current sound. It seems that the article is made to show only 'certified' songs without a definition to what that means, but I hope that it can be expanded to get a better understanding of TLT's importance.

This article comes across as fairly wrong with it's beginning statement:

Where he created a remix of one of the songs featured on My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. After the remix garnered several thousand views, Landau eventually shifted his focus to various video game communities, creating songs based on video games.

as it de-legitimizes so much other work TLT has done by saying there's just a singular unspecified mlp remix that gained all the popularity, although the song Discord does have high importance.

The questioning of validity of this band in an above talk comment is in bad taste, as the band as I've seen it has only made music about what they have been interested in themselves, and have had songs 'Five Night at Freddy's' & ' My Ordinary Life' go gold & platinum in the US. Most of Yoav's IMDB projects also lack any mention and could add a lot more due background knowledge. 'Bronies: The Extremely Unexpected Adult Fans of My Little Pony' is a related and unmentioned documentary from 2012 featuring Yoav that expresses the enjoyment of MLP fans in a community people too often want to brush off as being only for children.

Zero_One:Deluxe contains Demo songs that can be found on the TLT Archive Youtube channel which is notable as while being a fan of TLT it's noticeable in older TLT videos like 'Comments - Song - Run, Shoot, Kill... and Cry' Yoav is found to be self conscious of his singing voice after reading a critical comment, and helps explain why he wouldn't have been confident in sharing much of the process before final mastering, before sharing the channel with artist Sam Haft, who likely pushed to share the demo. From early TLT there did seem to be a dramatic shift where Yoav used a lot more processing on vocals or had collaborated with someone else entirely when FNAF songs started to release, and it was amazing as well as a lesson in ways to hear the insecurities that were opened up about in the lyrics within Zero:One while using fully original characters rather then the usual use of fandom influence.

Healz4Life (talk) 16:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New York City based?

The Living Tombstone are noted to be based in New York City, but I can't find any sources to support this. Landau and Haft are located in the United States, but I'm not sure if they're actually located within NYC. Raskuly (talk) 00:32, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raskuly I couldn't find anything either, so I removed it. Unless another source is found, nothing too crucial will be lost anyways. Also, thanks for the reply up above; if I said what I wanted to that IP I probably would've been banned XD PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The implication that Landau and/or Haft sat down and wrote this entire pretty well-sourced and written article was humorous, even if the article was much smaller back when that comment was made. Raskuly (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source for this information. Going to BMI's website and using Songview to search for "The Living Tombstone" lists a lot of their music, and I was able to find through this that "Sam Haft Publishing" is the publisher for all of TLT's biggest and latest music, and the company is based in New York City. I put the link to this below. https://repertoire.bmi.com/Search/Search?SearchForm.View_Count=&SearchForm.Main_Search=Publisher&SearchForm.Main_Search_Text=Sam+Haft+Publishing&SearchForm.Search_Type=all# Notactuallyelias (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The page used to state that TLT originated in New York City, which is not true, as it originated somewhere in Israel (wherever Landau lived at the time in the country). I'm unsure why I wrote "based" back on September 1 because I can't find that wording being used anywhere in older revisions. Other articles that I looked at only make mention of a musician or band's origin in the infobox, so if TLT is currently based in NYC it would not go there (as far as I can tell).

A New York-based business must have a physical address in New York so Sam Haft Publishing having their address listed in NYC does not necessarily mean that TLT is based in NYC, though it could mean that they're at least based in the state of New York. I'm absolutely no expert on this so I might be wrong and I appreciate you looking into this. http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/lawssrch.cgi?NVLWO: Raskuly (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]