Talk:Susan Mayer

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Susan is 38, she said it to Carol Prudy as she ask how old Susan

Her last name

Susan's Last Name is now Delfino and she introduced herself as Susan Delfino also and if you go on ABC.com and take the tours of the home it states Susan Delfino, and also states Not Bree Hodge but Bree Van De Kamp-Hodge, Susan divorced Carl and just kept Susan Mayer then when she got married she became Susan Delifino, and kept Susan Mayer as her profeshinal name, then when she divorced Mike she kept Delfino, why would she go back to her Ex Husbands last name!?

JEW?

Mayer? is she suppose to be Jewish? --83.130.4.179 23:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Her last name

Susan's last name is Mayer, and have been so for the series entire run. A woman's last name doesn't automatically change back to her maiden name just because she divorce her husband. and - besides - the divorce took place a year prior to the series' start. Pjär80 18:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Season 3 Finale Name Change

There has been no official statement that Susan has changed her last name. Since such is made, this article ought to remain on Susan Mayer.

I'm moving the page back to Susan Mayer until confirmed, we shouldn't jump to conclusion until we have a citation. Sfufan2005 14:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Step mother?

Heh, heh, heh, heh... I find it funny that her stepfather is added, but her stepmother isn't. 72.82.22.247

Name again

Susan introduces herself as Susan Mayer in episode 4.01, so there really is no reason why the article should be called anything else. And we must learn not to move any articles around without discuss the matter first. Pjär80 14:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

histmerge

• I histmerged Susan Delfino and Susan Delfino. into Susan Mayer. Anthony Appleyard 13:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no move. Andrewa 01:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Susan Mayer → Susan Delfino — There seems to be an editwar going on, with conflicting opinions on "Susan Mayer" or "Susan Delfino" as the base name for this article and the character it covers. I have never seen the show and thus have no opinion other then the fact that a discussion needs to take place. Please take a moment to express your opinion, and please leave the original title of "Susan Mayer" intact while a concensus is reached. —Krushia 23:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

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• Oppose. Reasoning is the first comment stated below in the Discussion section. Flyer22 23:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

There isn't really much of an edit war going on. Just one editor who continues to move this article and the Gabrielle Solis article from their common names to their uncommon names. That editor is Venez111, and has already been advised and recently warned (by me) not to move this article to her uncommon name again. This article should be titled Susan Mayer...because that's her common name. Most people are not going to type in Susan Delfino when searching for this character, because that name is not her common name. And she is still listed as Susan Mayer on most official and unofficial sites, and even if she were not, she is mostly known as Susan Mayer. And it turns out that she still uses the name Susan Mayer as her professional name. The issue of moving a character's article from her common name to her uncommon name once she marries has been discussed at length on the Gabrielle Solis talk page, and consensus was reached not to move Gabrielle Solis from her common name again, the reasoning seeming to be something that we want to apply to as many characters as we can on the topic of common name. Despite this consensus, Venez111 continues to move these articles. Hopefully, since my latest comment to Venez111, Venez111 will listen. If Venez111 voices his or her thoughts in this discussion, then maybe this point can be stressed further, but Venez111 does not really seem to respond to comments/questions on Wikipedia. Either way, this article does not belong under the title of Susan Delfino. Flyer22 23:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the discussion. I just read the lengthy comments over at Gabrielle Solis, and I'm tempted to add my vote for opposition as well, however I don't think I'm educated enough in the subject to qualify. In the meantime I'll help you keep up with the naming spam going on. Once again people - please DO NOT change the name to Susan Delfino while there is no concensus for doing so. If you believe it needs to be changed, you must discuss it here. Krushia 04:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the help. I'm not sure that you need to know much about this subject to vote, but thank you again for the help in keeping these articles at their common names. It's much-appreciated. These sort of moves have happened to the articles of real-life women on Wikipedia as well. For instance, the Britney Spears article was renamed Britney Federline. I assume that didn't last long, considering that most people never thought of Britney as Britney Federline (I'm certain). Anyway, I'll see you around, Krushia. Flyer22 05:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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Siblings?

In the episode "That's Good, That's Bad", Susan's father's wife states that "the kids" are coming to visit him. Can it be deduced from this that Susan has (at least two) half-siblings? 78.150.236.170 (talk) 17:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe at least two step siblings? -chloe2kaii7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.112.83 (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Season 5 Name Change

There are no sources saying that Susans name hhas changed from Delfino to Hart. I am changing it bck because she and her new partner might not be married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessbabyblue (talk • contribs) 20:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Age

Seems someone keeps making her younger and younger. Now it was said she was 35 in season 1. that is not true. There is no evidence of that. Also constant references to her age in each paragraph are ridiculous. i also dont know where people are getting she had Julie at 21. She did not. The doctor said she was 26 when pregnant.

 There is no way Susan would only be 45 after the five year jump.  When she and Mike were expecting their baby in season four, when her daughter Julie was 18, she was told by the doctor, "The last time you were pregnant you were 26", making her about 44.  Also, the fact that Susan was assumed to be in menopause when she first went to the doctor in season 4, makes it unlikely she was only 39/40.  A woman in her mid fourties might be assumed to be in menopause first.  
 There may be some continuity issues here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.71.108 (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2009 (UTC) 

It's stated by Betty Applewhite in late season two that Susan's 38th birthday is coming up. --Hithere2008 (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

As said there are continuity issues, pretty bad ones re her age. She also said she was 38 early in the second season when the wife of her biological father asked how old she is. In the earlier seasons it was suggested she was younger. They "aged" her later in the show, as in the episode where it was said in season 4 that she was 26 when pregnant with Julie, who was eighteen then. Also the references to menopause in the 4th season wouldnt work if she was born in 1968, making her only 39 at that point. Most of the evidence of the show, her daughters age(24) etc suggests she is about 49 in season 6 after the 5 yr jump, so lets maybe split the difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.86.66 (talk) 22:55, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Karl and Susan

I thank it should be mentioned somewhere in this article that Susan and Karl did indeed marry twice. If you remember after they divorced, Susan remarried him for insurance purposes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.143.90 (talk) 03:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Birth year should be removed

When I rewrote the background information for Susan, I took out her birth year. The specific year in which she was born was never mentioned. I feel that people doing the math with bits and pieces about her age is original research. And, most importantly, this show is not good with ages and birthdays. Not all the pieces fit together. However, someone readded the birth year and for the time being, I cited it with two episodes that have said her age. However, I think the whole fact should be removed. Akcvtt (talk) 03:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Remove "too long" and "unnotable" tags?

I've worked on this article a lot over the past few weeks, rewriting the entire thing. I feel that it is now an acceptable length. Wikipedia says plot summaries do not include scene-by-scene details and are not recaps. I've taken out minute and unimportant details and only left in plot lines that are important for Susan's overall story arc for each season. I think we can remove the tag saying the article is overly detailed and too long. I've also added a number of secondary sources that, I think, make the article meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. And for that reason, I think we can also remove the tag saying the article may not meet those guidelines. Do you agree? If not, what are some improvements that you think could be made so that these tags can be removed? Akcvtt (talk) 00:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. I've removed the notability tag but the plot sections in this article are outrageous. There should only be one, not a massive one for every season. As an unbiased party, I can say that until we can get it to something like this, I'm afraid not. Also, it should not be like a plot section, it should be like a biography or background section. See what AnmaFinotera did at Serena van der Woodsen. Before... After ~ ς ح д r خ є ~ 00:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

While I will agree with you that the character overview is too long, the section should not be written like a biography. Also, we shouldn't be looking to the Serena article for guidance, as it's tagged for several problems of its own. Instead, we should look to a featured article like Pauline Fowler. Although organized differently, the character's plot line section is similar in length and purpose as Susan's. I'm in support for making reasonable changes to the article, but not ones that cut the length simply for the sake of making it shorter. While we aren't supposed to cover every detail (which the article, at present, does not), we are supposed to summarize major events that occur with the character. Given the show's complex story lines and the fact that Susan is arguably the central focus of the series, I believe the current state of the article is a good way to convey the its purpose. Akcvtt (talk) 01:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Hm... picking through the plot sections, I can't really seem to find anything needing to be removed. However, the sections should be placed in sections similar to Pauline Fowler's for easier reading. This may also result in loss of unneeded information. I've noticed there's a little too much detail about the other characters such as the Young family in the season one section. If the sections can be rewritten more biographical and less plot like, I will be more than happy to support the removal of the tag ~ ς ح д r خ є ~ 05:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I was concerned while I was writing that I was giving too much detail about other characters like the Youngs, but I wasn't sure as to how much was needed for non-fan readers to understand the context. Looking at the information present, I'm thinking that we can separate her character overview into "Early Life" (basically already there; whatever happened before the show started), "Family" (all the stuff about her mother and her real father and Julie); and "Romance" or "Love Life" (everything involving Mike, Dr. Ron, Ian, etc.). I would also consider putting in a section that describes her friendships with the other leading ladies of the show, as that's an important part of the series. I think there is enough information to merit that section as well (but note that the information is not in the article right now). What do you think? Akcvtt (talk) 06:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, be careful not to go Wikia on the article. Maybe even consider a user space subpage ~ ς ح д r خ є ~ 07:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Why cant it just stay in chronological order like it is now?! Isnt that the easiest way to organize everything and make it understandable for readers? 67.169.148.40 (talk) 23:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

That's also one of my main concerns. Some story lines belong in several of the proposed sub-sections. It seems to make more sense to leave it chronologically. However, as I said, I'm willing to support a change and even help make it, so long as we figure out how to do it. Because, as Scarce said, we don't want it to get like the Wikia, which I'm afraid will happen. Akcvtt (talk) 01:40, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Do NOT add years, ages, etc.

This show is very bad with math. Birthdays, birth years, and ages almost never match up. That's the cast with Susan. People keep deducing her age and the years she got married and had Julie, etc. Unless it's specifically stated in the series, you CANNOT add this information. It's original research. Saying Susan had Julie at age 26 can be put in there, as that fact is actually discussed in the show. However, some people are changing it to 21 because that's what fits their math deductions. This is a article about a fictional subject, and we cannot try to explain things that are not explicitly stated in the series. Furthermore, we can't try to find explanations for contradicting facts. We either state that it's contradictory or do not state it at all, as it's probably not important anyways. So please, do NOT add the ages of this character during various stages of her lives, specific years, etc. unless you have a legitimate source. And, to be clear, a legitimate source is not an explanation of how you mathematically found out this information. Akcvtt (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME

I haven't been active with this article in years. But I'm still certain that this character's common name is Susan Mayer, and not Susan Delfino. Therefore, per WP:COMMONNAME, this article should be titled Susan Mayer. The latest editor who moved this article away from its common name is now indefinitely blocked. I'm going to ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Television and Wikipedia:WikiProject Soap Operas to weigh in on this. Flyer22 (talk) 00:26, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes I agree, the article should be located at Susan Mayer. –anemoneprojectors– 00:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

No, I can not agree. For last three seasons she was "Mrs. Delfino", not "Mayer". I can only give green light for name "Susan Mayer-Delfino". Michu1945 (talk) 07:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

She's never been called Susan Mayer-Delfino. She is called Susan Mayer for more seasons than she is called Susan Delfino, and most people will know her as Susan Mayer. –anemoneprojectors– 22:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

A slightly different subject, but the lead shouldn't say "formerly Mayer" because when you watch the first season, that's her name, not her former name. She doesn't have a former name, because she's a fictional character so all her names are the names she currently holds. –anemoneprojectors– 22:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Mister or Mrs. projectors. In seasons 1, 2, 3 and 5 she was "Susan Mayer", but in seasons 4, 6, 7 and 8 she was "Susan Delfino". How did you watch the show? That is why I made proposition to "Susan Mayer-Delfino". Michu1945 (talk) 22:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, yes, it's about 50/50 (I miscounted). So I googled '"Desperate Housewives" "Susan Mayer"', which came up with 227,000 results, and '"Desperate Housewives" "Susan Delfino"', which only came up with 51,000 results. So that shows that Susan Mayer is the name she is more regularly known as, her WP:COMMONNAME. –anemoneprojectors– 22:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Forgive me for word "mrs.". Yes... Yes it is true. Michu1945 (talk) 23:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Per above, it's time to move this article back to Susan Mayer. I'll likely start a WP:Requested move discussion if it remains under its current title for a week or two longer. Flyer22 (talk) 03:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Move?

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The result of the move request was: page moved. JohnCD (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

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• Susan Delfino → Susan Mayer – Susan Mayer is the character's WP:COMMONNAME, as made clear in past discussions and as recently as the #WP:COMMONNAME discussion. Move function for the article currently requires an administrator to operate. Flyer22 (talk) 02:37, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support per my comments in the section above. Mayer is the name she joined the show with, so more people will know that name, and Google shows many more results for Mayer than Delfino. –anemoneprojectors– 17:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
• Note. It was not my idea to start this move discussion; as stated in that link, I did not feel that another discussion about this was necessary. Flyer22 (talk) 17:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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• I have made the move and updated the FURs for the images. That leaves a number of double-redirects, which a bot should fix soon. I leave you to update the text of the article if necessary. JohnCD (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Courtney Cox

The role was written for Courtney Cox, not Mary Louise Parker. http://www.comedycentral.co.uk/comedians/courteney-cox_copy/#bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.63.13 (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Alternative names in the lead

Nosx1, stop WP:Edit warring over this. The married names do not belong in the lead of these articles because not only are the characters not WP:Notable by these names, the married names only exist in the series at a certain point in the series. By this, I mean that these characters are known by their married names in a certain season or certain seasons. To a beginner watching the series, Susan Mayer is simply known as Susan Mayer. Do not look at these matters from a WP:In-universe perspective, but rather from a WP:Real-world perspective. Also see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 126#RfC: In-universe name details of fictional characters, in article leads; don't comment there, though. That discussion is archived. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:09, 10 April 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Sadly the Village pump discussion was archived without being closed and no official consensus was reached. However, there is another relevant discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Spoiler/Archive 17#Spoilers in the first line of the article, again it is archived so don't comment there. anemoneprojectors 08:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about the fact that it was archived without being officially closed and I was wondering if I should query about whether it can be validly closed even though it's been archived; I've seen something like that. Or unarchived and then closed, and then archived again. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:32, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I think it shouldn't have been archived, so if you want to query it, go for it. If there had been a clear consensus upon its closing, I would have applied it to several articles. anemoneprojectors 08:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Nosx1 Please read this discussion and the other relevant discussions linked here, and stop making your edits. Thanks. anemoneprojectors 10:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Reported.. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

AnemoneProjectors, regarding this, you want to go ahead and report this matter at WP:ANI since the editor is mocking us, has engaged in vandalism, and is still edit warring? On a side note, maybe you weighing in on the report I started would help. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:07, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Update: The editor is currently blocked. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that. This all happened while I was at work! anemoneprojectors 08:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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