Talk:Sisak concentration camp

Sisak concentration camp is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) at 15:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Moving "Sisak Children concentration camp" title to "Sisak Concentration camp" is disgusting revisonism.

Moving "Sisak Children concentration camp" title to "Sisak Concentration camp" is disgusting revisonism. 2A06:5B00:40A:5A00:D415:3AF8:C05C:BFF1 (talk) 17:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is this noncense?

Why is "Sisak Children concentration camp" title changed to "Sisak Concentration camp"??

Why trying to cover that it was one of the few REAL CHILDRED concentration camps (held by Croatian Nazis during ww2)? 2A06:5B00:40A:5A00:61E:344F:6DDA:D443 (talk) 08:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Read the archives of this talk page. There were two sub-camps of the Sisak concentration camp, one for adults and one for children. This article is about the whole camp, including both sub-camps. If there was enough material for a spin-off of this article for the childrens' sub-camp on its own, then that article could have the title "Sisak children's concentration sub-camp". Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Nominator: Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk · contribs) 15:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 01:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments

...many Croats came to resent Serb political hegemony...which resulted in the passing of legislation that favoured Serb political, religious and business interests. Could you quote the text verifying the statement?

The quote does not verify the statement. Borsoka (talk) 00:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~..., but were granted protection by Mussolini and thus evaded capture I would form this fragment into a new sentence.~~
~~...as its neighbours aligned themselves with the Axis powers All of them?~~
~~At the outbreak of World War II... When?~~
~~A link to Royal Yugoslav Government?~~
~~They placed his teenage nephew Peter on the throne... The underage Peter was already sitting on the throne.~~
~~Links to Yugoslav government-in-exile, diplomatic recognition, concentration camp, Concentration camps in the Independent State of Croatia?~~
~~Introduce Zagreb as the capital of NDH.~~
~~...the town hosted two sub-camps... Which? (Sisak or Zagreb?)~~
~~A link to Reich?~~
~~...the abandoned Teslić factory... A link? Alternatively, rephrase it. (Perhaps, "an abandoned .... factory")~~
~~...the Kozara Offensive... Against whom and where?~~
~~Introduce Novi Sisak.~~
~~Explain Sicherheitsdienst.~~
~~...authored a report in which he reported... Rephrase.~~
~~A link to "communist resistance"?~~
~~...the homes of local aristocrats... Could you name some of them? A link to Croatian nobility?~~
~~Introduce the Department for People's Protection.~~
Records kept by Budisavljević containing information about each child detained at Sisak were confiscated by the Department for People's Protection (Serbo-Croatian: Odeljenje za zaštitu naroda; OZNA) and kept from public view... Why?
...protesting the canonization... The canonization or the language used during the canonization?

It is still unclear: with the canonization, or with the language used during the canonization?

Image review

~~File:Independent State Of Croatia 1941 Locator Map.png: some words on the internal borders in caption?~~
File:Map of the Axis occupation of Yugoslavia.svg: add at least one reliable source to verify the map to the file in Commons.

Done. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not find the source. Borsoka (talk) 00:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Fix references 30 and 34. Borsoka (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 34 is still to be fixed because it does not point to any source. Borsoka (talk) 00:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment by Tomobe03

Reference 1 (Mojzes, p. 158) does not support the prose it is used to reference. The material on the indicated page does not deal with 1941, but with 1990 - presumably the result of a typo in the page number. However, the source appears to be of poor quality. Specifically, as I was looking at p.158, I noticed it explicitly states kuna currency was introduced on July 25, 1990. This did not happen until May 1994.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where Mojzes came from, the citations were meant to point to Tomasevich. Good catch. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Query @Amanuensis Balkanicus: when do you think you can address all issues? I put the review "on hold" for a week. Borsoka (talk) 02:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Borsoka. Sorry for the delay, I was held up IRL. I have changed the phrasings and added the links you pointed out. Sisak Novi (or as White called it, Novi Sisak) doesn't have its own article, so I have added a red link. There is a town in Bosnia called Teslić but it's nowhere near Sisak, so I'm assuming it was someone's surname? In the absence of additional context, I have reworded this to "an abandoned factory". The source mentions generic Croats, not aristocrats. Goldstein & Goldstein's The Holocaust in Croatia may have been the source of this notion. I will have to check. As for why the OZNA never released the files, it was almost certainly because of post-war Yugoslavia's policy of sweeping wartime atrocities under the rug in the name of Brotherhood and Unity, although the source doesn't explicitly say this. Thank you for taking the time to complete this review! If you see any additional room for improvement, please don't hesitate to let me know. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 17:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]