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Consensus on separate articles:

Current consensus is to split the first term of Donald Trump as president to First presidency of Donald Trump and the second term of Donald Trump as president to Second presidency of Donald Trump. This was agreed to here.

Notability

Do we need two articles for Trump presidencies? We could have one article like the Presidencies of Grover Cleveland. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 14:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given how much press coverage Trump's first term got and how much coverage his second term is likely to get, I'd wager we'll have enough material for separate articles for Trump's two terms. 2401:7000:CAE9:1A00:5558:EA88:D66A:E112 (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, there'll be so much material that separate articles will probably be necessary. 2401:7000:CAE9:1A00:5558:EA88:D66A:E112 (talk) 16:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, we'll probably have to create a second Trump presidency cabinet page, etc. Cahlin29 (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

halt most edits until Jan. 20

I believe that we should hold off on making most edits until jan. 20, because until then nothing is truly set in stone. Auggets (talk) 18:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

disregard this. I realized how stupid I sound. Auggets (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

Since First 100 days of the Donald Trump presidency was moved to First 100 days of the first Donald Trump presidency, I've redirected First 100 days of the second Donald Trump presidency to here for now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

convicted felon violates NPOV

How is that now a violation? 2601:3C5:8200:97E0:B46C:494A:1F17:2DB2 (talk) 03:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An unflattering fact is not an NPOV violation. 203.211.75.12 (talk) 13:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, and Wikipedia is not censored. The fact this is the first convicted felon being elected president of the USA is probably one of the most important things to include, it's what makes this event especially notable. Waggers TALK 12:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its not relevant. 2604:2D80:4307:BE00:644:51EB:5A27:C0F4 (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A massive number of reliable sources disagree with you. AntiDionysius (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here are just a few RSs that consider it a relevant fact: [1], [2], [3], and [4]. 2401:7000:CAE9:1A00:1D10:C156:C47D:B2AC (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RfC over Infobox image

RESOLVED

The majority supported Photo A in the discussion section and there was no consensus to use Photo B. Additionally, Photo A was used to fit the main article and to temporarily use Photo A until the official photo for Trump's second term is released.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Current image in Infobox is not notable. Not many sources use it.

I have 3 Opinions

Opinion A :

Opinion B :

Opinions C : No Image.

We can use his new official portrait in 2025. But we need chose one of those Images for this time. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Opinion A Aisrotkev8000 (talk) 07:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support using the 2017 portrait, but it's more of a preference. No reason why we can't use the same image twice for the subject and series infobox. We do this already on First presidency of Donald Trump and Donald Trump. OXYLYPSE (talk) 14:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support the 2017 portrait until we have a new official portrait that better reflects his appearance as of his second term. 203.211.75.12 (talk) 15:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option A the second makes him looks pastier. CNC (talk) 20:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2017 official until we get a new official portrait. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option B - current image since it's more recent and more natural. Waggers TALK 12:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Option A until a new official portrait is taken. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to nominate option C as a better quality 2024 option. Mb2437 (talk) 04:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Redirect request

Could someone please set up second Trump term as a redirect to this page? 2401:7000:CAE9:1A00:1D10:C156:C47D:B2AC (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prospects on policy

@OXYLYPSE: I noticed you reverted my edits relating to wholesale deletion of the sections relating to the prospective, speculative, or promised policy of the 2nd Trump administration. For now, I have retitled these sections with the qualifier "prospective," since otherwise the impression is given that these will be the actual policies of the future administration. Of course, we cannot know what the presidency will do until it takes power in January and it is my opinion that presenting any policy of the future presidency in this article gives it a sense that it will happen. A lot of these claims are predictions, speculations, or promises given by Trump himself regarding his future term, but none of these deserve to be presented in this article since these will almost certainly be wiped anyway when the term actually begins. ―Howard • 🌽³³ 23:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Howardcorn33 I did notify you on your talk of my revert. I feel it's unrealistic to not cover the reported policy proposals of the president elect. I agree with making the perspective element clear as you have done. OXYLYPSE (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have yet to look at your edits, but generally we should be writing what Trump has said with emphasis on what he has done now. For instance, the "Immigration" section has information about what Trump is planning, though it may be outdated. I am inclined to include what Trump has said given his comments during his victory speech about "promises made, promises kept", but clearly not all of his promises will go into effect or even be proposed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Combining pages?

I noticed that Grover Cleveland, the only other President to serve nonconsecutive terms, has one page under the title "Presidencies of Grover Cleveland". For consistency, should we combine this page with the page for Trump's first Presidency under the title "Presidencies of Donald Trump"? Whakerdo (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We had a discussion on this under the "Notability" heading. In short, it was decided that we're going to need separate articles for Trump's two terms due to the considerable amount of independent coverage each is getting. 203.211.72.76 (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, Wikipedia has separate articles for the first presidency of Lula da Silva and the second presidency of Lula da Silva, so it's not inconsistent to have separate articles for Trump's two terms. 203.211.72.76 (talk) 17:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add, the move discussion at First presidency of Donald Trump rejected covering both terms in one article. --Super Goku V (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There were already an discussion on 6 November/November 5. Discussion rejected the merge. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 11:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Listing cabinet positions twice

Since the Second cabinet of Donald Trump article covers much of the same ground, do we need to go into detail on the nominees in this article? David O. Johnson (talk) 06:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for infobox picture

This is a better infobox image for this article, which is about his second term rather than his first. 150.143.27.224 (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]