Talk:School Days (video game)

Spelling mistakes

Actually there are no spelling mistakes - just American spelling and British spelling. Both are equally valid.

Karn-b 13:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there was... kinda. Seikai's best ending (daisuki) was written in Kanji - the game and various japanese websites, however, spell it in hiragana (both forms are obviously correct, however the "original" form (as used in the game) is IMHO preferable).

One whole School Days article. Or just more character information.

Hmm, there must be more information about the characters I'm thinking about. Also just put the char images right...Uh. I mean, there are much more characters than only the 5 that are now stating. But I see all the character on the School Days (anime) article though. Maybe copypasta information from that article. Like, Hikari and others missing.

Or, maybe just put the two articles together in one article of School Days, to avoid 2 articles almost about the same thing. And I think it's more effective. I vote for this option. Opinions? DarkShadozer 09:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I support a merge. _dk 10:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah thanks, I don't know how to work with Wikipedia so thanks for the support. Also, I've got the feeling I know you from a Touhou forum. But that's irrelevant information. Still thanks. DarkShadozer 15:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh yeah, I rarely post there, I'm quite surprised someone knows me from there o_o. _dk 01:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I guess merging is a good idea (Got implusive when I heard the news, sorry). The character images will be replaced then? Also, I think it's a good idea to switch to anime infobox instead of keeping the game one.Shadic189 00:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes it's good to keep the anime one..Also because the anime starts airing in...4 days or something. About the character images, I don't know what you actually mean, but you could pick all the pics from the official 0verflow forum, right? Copy those images to this article, and add extra information about the character if possible.( I don't know if people can read Japanese here )DarkShadozer 11:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I mean I will change the images used to identify the character with the anime screenshots when it's out. It will look better that way. Shadic189 12:03, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay I agree with you. Do it. ^_^ DarkShadozer 14:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Replace image on the infobox with the anime logo too. 142.232.8.8 16:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Now it's merged, It's probably handy that the anime information must be good visible as well. A line between the game and the anime would be appreciated. (Sorry, I have no clue how to edit). Thanks guys for the merge.DarkShadozer 00:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the infobox image's fine like that....... 66.183.215.186 01:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Character Voices

Many (if not all of) the voice actors credited for the characters in the anime are actually the same ones as in the game, only in the credits for the game they are using aliases. What is Wikipedia's policy regarding seiyuu pseudonyms? ChibiKareshi 08:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna scrap the aliases. --HashiriyaGDB 18:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect the aliases to their real names, I think that would be better. _dk 22:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

How long has Makoto been secretly checking out Kotonoha?

Article says years, but I think it isn't since they are only in first year of high school, unless both of them also went to same middle school which was never mentioned (hence it's not possible). 66.183.215.186 11:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. You're right. Makoto found Kotonoha after they entered "Gakuen" (it is not mentioned as "high school", because all the characters in eroge must be over 18 years old). The date Makoto found Kotonoha differs between the game and anime. In the game, it was "at the beginning of the second semester" (in Japan, it's September). In the anime, it was "the day of entrance celemony" (in Japan, it's April). Also, it was clearly stated in the game that Makoto and Kotonoha went to different junior-high. Anyway, the length should not be "years".--Impromptu 11:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

May I suggest "months" instead of "years"? Could someone verify if they can be used as replacement? Animeronin 14:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I would personally say that what was meant was that Makoto had been noticing Kotonoha for a while, making it not a matter of time.Thenightsshadow 16:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

About the "Infamous Makoto"

If the Endings section of the article, there's this line that seems to come out of hatred for the main character of the story rather than facts, IMHO. It is tagged correctly as needing citation and being disputed in neutrality, of course. Someone has how to verify this information? Even more importantly, even if confirmed as being correct information, is that information even relevant to the article for it to remain there at all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.12.30.158 (talk) 05:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned up the neutrality issues, but a citation still might be useful as to the popular opinions about Makoto and what he deserves. I think it reads fairly factual and neutral now. --Billdorr 09:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I see people constantly adding negative words for Makoto. Please do remember this is an encyclopedia and not a place to express your fury upon a fictional entity.--殺人事件 | talk 19:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Saying that the words "Indecisive Womanizer" has a negative connotation is in itself an opinion - I could just as easily conclude that Makoto was awesome because of his "Don Juan-ism". The fact of the matter is that Makoto had sex with a multitude of girls and is unwilling to choose between them. To say that he's simply indecisive or "unwilling to choose" is hardly adequete, seeing as it doesn't lead to a full explanation regarding the subject's notability. --Sqrfrk 19:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I have discussed the anime in a number of forums where Makoto is in fact idolized for his good fortune in his sexual encounters, "Indecisive Womanizer" isn't meant to be positive or negative it's meant to be accurate. Makoto is not an unwilling victim fighting off the advances of the females surrounding him, he is quite the opposite. Conversely there is no evidence to support the statement "Makoto is at heart a kind person who has trouble expressing his feelings" he may well have trouble expressing his feelings but his behavior indicates that his only interest is for his own pleasure and wellbeing. --Max Vitor 19:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

You misunderstand - I'm FOR the usage of "indecisive womanizer" on the very basis that it was an accurate descriptor of his character. I'm simply making a rebuttal of the post I'm replying to, in light of the edits made at the time of the post. --Sqrfrk (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't space my response correctly, I wasn't refering to your remarks but the previous ones. --Max Vitor (talk) 15:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Well...carry on :D --Sqrfrk (talk) 02:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe that he was compared to Kimi ga Nozomu Eien's Narumi Takayuki and White Album's Fujii Touya as one of the worst main protagonists. It was mentioned on the Chinese and Japanese wiki as well. I think the information should be put up there (wasn't it on before anyways?). 66.183.215.186 22:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes. He is the worst protagonist I've seen in my life. What I'm trying to say is don't just write negative adjectives around his profile because you hate him.--殺人事件 | talk 05:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't me, it was already put on there before. And I doubt that it really is a personal thing since it is also on the Jap and Chinese wiki as well, it's possible that it has been announced offically by fans in Japan? 66.183.215.186 23:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

"Announced officially by fans in Japan." Who or what organization would make such an official statement? Opinion is opinion. Inclusion of statements on other language wikis doesn't change that. I've not played the game, only seen the anime, but based on that I can agree with the opinion that he's a despicable guy who's just using them for sex. Doesn't mean I'm going to edit an objective encyclopedia article to say that. See WP:SOAP. --Billdorr 06:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Fans can't officially announce anything....From what I gather, what sets Makoto from other protagonists-of-hate is that he tends to act opposite of what the player chooses in the original game. That's why the fans hate him so much. _dk 06:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well it was more like a comparison than opinion.......... 66.183.215.186 23:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

But who is doing the comparison? This could very easily fall under original research if the comparison is made by a Wikipedia editor and not a column or article in an issue of Newtype or Megami, for example. Popular fan opinions gathered on 4chan, 2channel, or any other anime/manga/video game board are similarly invalid as encyclopedic content due to them not exactly being reputable, verifiable, or reliable sources of information, not to mention the posts vanish within hours making it even more impossible to cite them as a source. --Billdorr 23:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That I don't know. Oh well, forget what I said then. 66.183.215.186 16:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode 10 Summary

Author seem to be pretty sure that Setsuna had sex with Makoto. It was discussed in many anime boards and there is no direct evidence of that. Many people think it's doubtful that he beded her beacuse he hesiteted after Setusna gave her speech about breaking with all girls. Anyway, we can't be really certain about that so it shouldn't be presented as a fact.

Correct. This subject is still even a subject of debate, considering that even the episode 11 didn't bother trying to explain such issue. I'm editting it. Klashikari 10:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Question

Nothing related to to main page, or maybe it is, BUT IS THIS ANIME HENTAI??? I'm getting nowhere reading this page and I've already seen the first two episodes. Are the sex scenes shown or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AznMyth (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not, yet sex and the relationships stemming from such are heavy themes in the anime which drive the story. Sorry to break it to you but there are no explicit depictions whatsoever. The most you'll see is the 'after' where they're buttoning up their shirts ready to go back to class or school.Fox816 15:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

the NICE BOAT incident

NiceBoat-tan

isn´t the episode 12 incident known as "nice boat" shouldn´t be featured in this article? thank you Minako-Chan* 23:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been addressed under the Delay Finale section. I haven't seen the boats yet so I'm not sure how nice they are. Fox816 00:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

"nice boat" is little more than a 2ch/4chan meme, and thus purely fancruft. It's sufficiently dealt with in the current article. --Billdorr 02:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The 30 miniutes of nature scenery is labeled as episode "11.5," I do not know the source. 66.183.215.186 08:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper mentioned the Nice Boat catchphrase in one of its commentaries on the axe murder, and included a table of Yahoo! Japan's top 10 search keywords last week...where "Nice boat" ranked tenth. Whether this is notable for mention on Wikipedia or not...I'll leave you to discuss. _dk 10:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of "nice boat", the boat that Kotonoha sailed in the end of the story is pretty nice, too......

The Nice Boat meme was referenced in the anime itself in the "~Magical Heart Kokoro-chan~" OVA. The life raft all the main characters are in at the end has "Nice Boat" written on the side. --SeaFox (talk) 02:33, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

"The anime series Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai, also known for violent scenes involving teenage girls wielding axes, had its 12th episode delayed by 4 days in response to the murder." Um, how about no?! See List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_characters - it's a CLEAVER. Could we please not repeat the mistakes the japanese media made during the coverage of this "story"? --88.73.64.217 11:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

A bit of trivia: Rena actually used an axe to kill Teppei and Rina in the original game. But the whole paragraph is off topic anyways, so I'll just remove the whole thing. _dk 11:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia wrong parts. "Animated TV series of 70 stories or more huge animated full story is in progress." Wikipedia is written and Japan. English Wikipedia, "at least 70 minutes of animation," says. This is a machine translation mistake. Care because editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.19.63.213 (talk) 22:46, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

We really should have a picture of the nice boat to illustrate the incident. It's such a nice boat, and would only help the article. Coolgamer (talk) 03:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Magical Heart Kokoro-chan

I heard that this was going to be a comedic spin-off anime of the series, set to air in March 2008. Anyone else know anything about it? Raven23 19:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. Unless something official appears, best to keep rumors out of the article (if anyone was thinking about placing it in). Otherwise, just keep your eyes open for any official or reliable and cited word of any spin-off series. I wouldn't be surprised if one was made. Fox816 03:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Anime News Network has the story, and credits Moonphase as it's source, which in turn links to this page with an image of Kokoro in full magical girl costume and is taking pre-orders for the DVD for about ¥5500 (and people whine about how expensive anime is in the US!). --Billdorr 23:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't credit this line with myself saying this, but there is an ulterior motive behind the production.

Maybe they're trying to replicate the Nanoha Effect.

[Source/Link]

LOL --Animeronin (talk) 07:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Epi: 12

Hi sorry for asking but the last episodes double murder scene played a dramatic song and I wanted to know what was it? LoliMedia (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The song played during Episode 12 was Kanashimi no Mukou e by Kanako Itou. Raven23 (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Is the game available in other languages?

I was just wondering whether the game was available in any languages other than japanese? Also should this be addressed somewhere in the main article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiyoura Setsuna (talk • contribs) 05:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Never mind I found a group who are translating it.Kiyoura Setsuna (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The game has a Chinese translated patch released by a certain tarnslation team. The English translation is in progress. - pmc (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

can you post where u can find it? the English Edit?

NPOV Tag on Ending Section

I have put an NPOV tag for the reason of statements behind the "Best of the good ending" (See And to Kotonoha Ending), "Worst of the good ending" (See The him and only for her ending), etc. I'd like to question the degree of the "goodness" of a certain ending this article based its standards on, because it certainly does not apply to me, and probably to many other people reading this article.

I will go ahead and edit the article properly within the next few days, unless if anyone has objections behind this proposal of NPOV. L46kok (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Citing something from an episode?

I know that Makoto's blood type has been removed from the article before for not having a citation, but it is stated in Episode 12 of the anime. How exactly does one cite that? Raven23 (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I use this citation : . Just check the edit for the format. Fox816 (talk)

References

Split list of episodes and characters into sub-articles?

Perhaps the list of episodes should be split into another article because it's too long to fit in the main article. As for the list of characters, either we could add in more information for a new article or cut it down. Cloud668 (talk) 06:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Either that, or we sumarize further each episode to make it "fit" in the main article. --Animeronin (talk) 10:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The character list would be too small to sustain itself and would probably end up being merged back into the main article sometime down the line. There really isn't that much information that's out-of-universe to expand each character and too much in-universe info will be fancrufty. If current size is an issue we can summarize the prose some more for each character. As for the episodes we can possibly split that into an article yet a whole revamp to shorten each episode should be done first to see how it comes out. We could also try a hybrid of episodes and the game endings into one article perhaps? That way we could expand more on the game, anime, and manga including but not limited to Reception and Development sections, etc... Fox816 (talk) 00:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that it wouldn't be a good idea to have both the list of episodes and game endings to be in one article, but rather split them into two articles. Looking at other visual novel articles with good article status, I think we should probably cut down a bit about the endings, and futher summarize the episode list, while moving it to a sub-article too. Cloud668 (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking at visual novel articles of GA quality, most of them (if not all) have a subarticle on episodes (and they aren't that long, too), so I've added a tag, if anyone is interested in splitting it. -- クラウド６６８ 00:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Manga Plot

The manga is Different from the anime and Visual novels should we create a section for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.230.46.56 (talk) 16:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Possibly. I was thinking that we might compare Makoto's manga personality with his personality in the game and anime, as they are vastly and obviously different. Raven23 (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Right now I have to say that the manga article is quite inaccurate. For many reasons such as: The ending seems to be based after the "The Bloody Conclusion" ending from the visual novel, but instead of Sekai getting fatally wounded, Makoto jumps between the blade and Sekai, gaining a wound in the process, startling Kotonoha, and hospitalizing him for about a week, in which Sekai murdered Kotonoha. The other inaccuracy I see is the "it's a mystery if Sekai also killed Makoto as she is wearing an insane look on her face as she confesses her murder of Kotonoha and hugs Makoto." part in the article, it's seems very unlikely that Sekai would think about killing Makoto in the manga, and the insane smile is likely due to her ecstasy over killing Kotonoha, plus the knife was still in the bag which at the time was out of reach. I'll try to find more things Okenido (talk) 04:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm reading the manga now myself, and it is considerably different from the anime; It puts a much larger emphasis on the love triangle between Sekai/Makoto/Kotonoha so many of the secondary characters are never really developed, Taisuke is no longer shown having a crush on Kotonoha, Makoto doesn't have an affair with Hikari or Otome, Otome and her friends on appear in one chapter, the only girl Makoto has sex with is Sekai (and even there, it's only implied), Makoto is shown being more guilty over his actions, and of course the ending is considerably different.User:PrinceLionheart|PrinceLionheart]] (talk) 20:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Extra PS2 endings?

I've seen some other endings on Youtube that were apparently exclusive to the PS2 version of the game. (And a lot of trains were involved.) Does anyone have any info on them? I saw them, but I didn't have a clue what they were saying... 70.178.181.97 (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll help u. My japanese is not that good, but the PS2 endings, each of them has a something extra that further explains the scenes seen in the normal endings of the game. for example, all of the 3 very BAD endings explain on a much deeper (and darker) tone, the scene that was just seeb, like for example (spoiler) on the scene where kotonoha killed sekai by sliting her throat and then having the worst mental breakdown I've seen then tries to strangle makoto with her scarf to kill him as well (after she asked him to kill her for what she has done). hope I've cleared ur doubts 157.253.197.83 (talk) 16:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

There ARE extra PlayStation 2 endings, 5 of them. 4 of them either involves Makoto, Sekai, Kotonoha, or Kotonaha and Sekai getting killed by a train. The last one has Kotonoha being murdered by Makoto and Kotonoha. Tamagon (talk) 10:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Tamagon

Just my opinion, but before the PS2 endings are added in, the endings section is already confusing enough, I'd suggest to condense it into one short section instead of having it to take over most of the article. -- クラウド６６８ 14:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Unclear Line

"Her family is very rich, with both of her parents working, and lives in a large house away from the city." The line in check might refer to Kotonoha Katsura living far away from the city in a large house, or her parents doing the same, please confirm which is it, and either message me on my talk page to make the edits, or add the revised statement yourself. AlexRoxUrSox (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Splitted list of episodes, splitting or removal of list of endings

Alright, since no one seemed to have bother for months, I took that task upon myself and moved the ever expanding supposedly short summaries of the episodes and list of theme songs to a new page, and the result is, about 22,000 bytes off the page, that's about the size of even GAs. So I am wondering now, if we should be splitting the list of visual novel endings, or even remove it, similar to what happened to the Japanese version of the article. -- クラウド６６８ 00:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

At the very least, the endings should not be split, as Wikipedia is not a plot summary, and there have been recent deletions of plot-summary related articles, so it'd probably be best to condense and summarize them in this article, or left out entirely as you have stated is what happened on the Japanese Wikipedia. Further, characters can, and probably should, be split into another article, along with the manga chapter/volume list.--十八 00:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah, I suppose it should be removed instead, but seeing Fate/stay night has its very own Fate/stay night scenarios, which has now been proposed to merge back into the main article, and because of what's been discussed above, I thought I'd like to ask first. As for the manga chapter list, I'd love to split it, but would like to expand it while doing so, but unfortunately I have never read it so I would not be able to assist on that. The characters section on the other hand, is just a little bit too hard for me to edit on first glance, seeing that some information doesn't appears to be written in a neutral point of view in my opinion. -- クラウド６６８ 03:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The characters, episodes, and chapters should be in the School Days article. Naruto has it's own Characters and such articles simply because it's a WAY larger series. School Days is a lot smaller. - Tamagon (talk) 03:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I found it amusing that you made a comment inside my signature. I suppose you should take a look at some, as you noted, some smaller series (this one has one for characters too), which all has articles for episodes. -- クラウド６６８ 04:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't really know how to post in these talk pages properly. Sorry. How about we condense the summaries. Like for Chapter 12, we say "Makoto awakes in a hospital, he finds out from Kokoro that Kotonoha is dead, and Sekai reveals that she killed her." - Tamagon (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, seeing that you are no longer talking in between my signature is an improvement, but keep in mind you should also sign your comments by typing ~~~~. Well, what I am thinking is, we split the chapter list, (it's not uncommon too, for established manga articles, whether they are the supposedly large series or the smaller ones) and expand it there, it also helps keeping the whole article organized, that way it will be much, much easier to cleanup this whole thing. Also, while those are called "short summaries", I believe that one you have for chapter 12 is just a bit too short. -- クラウド６６８ 17:28, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I am going to nominate List of School Days endings for deletion per WP:NOT#PLOT, and the other things I cited above. Just a heads up to the one who created it.--十八 05:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Strike that, I'm going to attempt a merge of the endings, and by that I mean something akin to what they have at the Japanese Wikipedia, because we can not have a separate article just about the endings.--十八 06:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

What The Hell

...is up with these Manga descriptions? More hyper than Gatorade and Sugar Bombs?! What idiot wrote this? Can we get someone who knows what the f**k they're talking about? I can't because I have too much stuff to do. GENERALZERO (talk) 21:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Now, Generalzero, please remain civil in Wikipedia. And, as much as my mind allows me to comprehend, I can only believe those are either just vandalism, or just plain speculations that it has something to do with the manga, I'll be writing a List of School Days chapters later, just to make it more organized, as we don't really do short descriptions of a chapter-basis as far as I know. -- クラウド６６８ 22:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Some times I go a little overboard.^^;GENERALZERO (talk) 22:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I wrote the summaries, I posted them on a now-defunct School Days website, which was later deleted because the owner didn't care about it anymore. I decided to copy my summaries over to Wikipedia. Oh, and I do know what I'm talking about, I just decided to add a more comedic approach to the summaries ;D User:Tamagon

And if you DO Have to make a seperate article, use List of School Days Chapters, that's where I put my School Days chapter summaries before putting them on the main article. User:Tamagon

I think I'll remind you that you sign by typing ~~~~, just to make life easier for you so that you don't have to type in [[User:Tamagon]] and would allow people know when you posted a comment, etc. Anyways, please do not use the mainspace for any of your drafts. Instead, I'd suggest you to create your drafts under your user namespace (for example, User:Tamagon/drafts). Second, I really do have to tell you this, but please do not add "comedic approach" to the plot summaries, as it makes the article less professional, to add to this, please do not state anything being a generic Dragon Ball Z ripoff without any sources either, as it is original research. And third, just so you know, it should be List of School Days chapters, instead of Chapters. I really do urge you to take a look at Wikipedia's Manual of Style and/or some other policies/guidelines, thank you. -- クラウド６６８ 07:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering about the same thing myself. lol.
I took the liberty of removing any "comedy" in the manga chapter summaries. Sorry to burst your bubbles. :)
Oh and I will do so with the List of School Days Chapters. :P --Animeronin (talk) 08:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna move it to List of School Days chapters instead, and I think, like all the other chapter lists, I think we should do the summaries by a volume-basis, instead of a chapter-basis. -- クラウド

６６８ 16:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, it was never intended for Wikipedia. So do as you wish. Tamagon (talk) 01:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)User:Tamagon

Yes, I am going to be incivil, but now I am saying what the hell.

Yeah seriously, what the hell. While needing cleanup, before the edit by Valce, the article was used to have at least, in my opinion, a good enough structure, but then suddenly everything's wrecked into how the Japanese version of the article is organized as. Please seriously, before making such a major change, discuss it here in the talk page first, that's what this very page is for. As it appears right now the page is even worse and require critical attention. -- クラウド６６８ 05:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

While I entirely agree, there was a certain amount of info added that is useful, and the format is roughly back to it should be heading towards. Remember, Valce (I assume) was acting in good faith.--十八 06:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

While cleaning this up, I am not sure if an anime music subsection is really needed under soundtrack, as I've actually already covered all of them in the List of episodes, though I do admit that I have done a bad job in organizing them into prose.-- クラウド６６８ 06:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the anime music; remove the section from this article when you're done working out how it's written on the episode article.--十八 07:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I added in the new information (music and the new ending theme) to the massive list of theme music, but then I am just confusing myself over there since I just kind of have no clue how to really further organize it better. I guess I'll perhaps need a little help on that. -- クラウド６６８ 07:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Cross Days

This is new game from 0verflow, the events happen at the same time as School Days: http://crossdays.0verflow.com/

I think the article should mention it. (75.157.134.17 (talk) 02:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC))

Yes, but given how the article is right now I'd rather that we further clean it up first before we add in anything. -- クラウド６６８ 03:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Once added, it can go in the Sequel section.--十八 06:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

typo?

There is reading "Progress can be recorded and loaded separately into ten quick save files." but there is actually 10 x 10 saving slots so... Is this a typo or how it's going? And yes, I don't really know the rules, so forgive me.

Manga volumes need summaries

Hi,

I'm dropping here the content used for chapters list article which is going to be merged back. A separated article for just two volumes is not great at all because it's a too short list, it attracted excessive plot with people going as far as writing a summaries for every single chapters instead of each volumes. I want it to be handled like for Wolf's_Rain#Manga.

Volume 1:

Makoto first sees Kotonoha on the train. After seeing Kotonoha's picture on Makoto's cellphone, Sekai decides to play cupid and match Makoto together with Kotonoha by having lunch together. Makoto doesn't want to confess to Kotonoha, fearing that it may ruin his relationship with her. Sekai, however, slaps Makoto. Makoto then comes to his senses and the next day, he confesses to Kotonoha, which she accepts. Later that afternoon, while Makoto was thanking Sekai for setting him and Kotonoha up, not knowing how he should thank her, Sekai kisses him, saying that it was enough as a reward, and runs inside the train shouting "good luck" to a dazed Makoto.

Makoto and Kotonoha are eating at lunch. However, Kotonoha is still shy about Makoto. Their relationship starts to shake a bit, and Sekai offers Makoto advice. Makoto takes it, runs off and finds Kotonoha. Makoto asks Kotonoha if they want to go out on another date. Kotonoha starts to stop being shy, and accepts. They start walking off smiling.

Makoto and Kotonoha are at a movie theater, watching a movie. Makoto touches Kotonoha's hand, and she freaks out a bit, but she eventually calms down. The next day, at the Gym, Sekai and Kotonoha are talking about their date, Kotonoha is surprised and sad that Makoto has been telling Sekai about her date. Later, at lunch, Kotonoha sees Makoto teasing Sekai. She starts to think that she shouldn't be Makoto's girlfriend, and instead, Sekai should be. The next day, Kotonoha asks Makoto out on a date, at her house. Kotonoha and Makoto arrive at their house, and Kokoro bursts out. After their date in the room, Kotonoha kisses Makoto for the first time. After she leaves, Makoto runs up and punches the air, happy that he has been kissed.

Makoto and Sekai are at class, discussing about Makoto's relationship with Kotonoha. Sekai freaks out in a happy way about Makoto kissing Kotonoha, and Nanami, Hikari, and Setsuna show up, probably hearing Sekai's excitement. Sekai leaves Makoto and hangs out with Setsuna and company. At lunch, Hikari is whining over Taisuke not making a move on her. Hikari asks Sekai who she likes, and she refuses to tell. Hikari then swipes Sekai's cell phone, and is about to take a peek to see what who she loves. Sekai throws a fit, and Hikari quickly realizes that who Sekai loves is Makoto. Throughout the day, Sekai is all depressed. On the way home from school, Sekai almost gets smashed by a train, when Makoto saves her from being hit. Sekai drops her phone, and Setsuna picks it up and finds out that Sekai loves Makoto, and calls Makoto "an idiot".

Makoto is at the beach with Setsuna, Nanami, Taisuke, Hikari, and Sekai. Kotonoha is on a family vacation, so she isn't here. They decide to have a watermelon smashing contest. They are paired into groups with 2 people: Taisuke and Hikari, Sekai and Makoto, and Setsuna and Nanami. Sekai and Makoto win the contest. Later, Sekai is alone, and gets harassed by 3 men. Makoto comes in and saves her from them. The men decide to leave. Sekai injures her foot, and Makoto takes care of her. Sekai then kisses Makoto and admits her love for him.

Makoto comes over to Kotonoha's house. Makoto and Kotonoha are talking, but he can't help but still think about Sekai's confession. Makoto gives Kotonoha a necklace. Kotonoha tells Makoto about a fireworks festival, so a few days, Makoto and Kotonoha go to the fireworks festival. When they arrive, they see Setsuna, Nanami, Hikari, Taisuke, and a sad Sekai. Makoto can't help but think about Sekai. At the end of the festival, he holds hands with both Sekai and Kotonoha.

Volume 2:

Makoto notices that Sekai isn't at school. So, Nanami gives him the homework, and he goes to her house. Sekai is sick, and that is why she missed school. He and Sekai talk, after giving her some ice cream. Makoto puts his hand on Sekai's head, and he starts to develop feelings for her.

Makoto still can't help but think about Sekai. Kotonoha notices his sad face, and asks him what's wrong. He refuses to answer. Kotonoha gets attacked by a dog, and her necklace gets knocked into a sewer. She tries desperately to get it, despite Makoto telling her not to. Later, he meets Sekai on the school rooftop. She confesses her love to him once more, and hugs him. Sekai then kisses him. Makoto tries to back off, but his will finally breaks down.

Makoto and Kotonoha meet Sekai at a store, and Makoto thinks that Sekai is starting to stalk him. Kotonoha and Sekai tries on some new clothes, however, Sekai peeks her head outside of the curtains, and kisses Makoto. Later, Kotonoha leaves due to her duties as a student council. Sekai and Makoto walk together outside, holding hands and such. Kokoro is hanging around with her friends, and sees Sekai and Makoto, and realizes that he's been cheating on Kotonoha. They arrive at Sekai's house. Sekai starts undressing in front of Makoto, and they have sex.

Sekai, Makoto, and Kotonoha have been setting up the cultural festival, and Kotonoha asks Makoto if they can have some alone time. Sekai interrupts, taking Makoto away from her. Kotonoha starts to suspect that Makoto has been cheating on her. At the end of the cultural festival, Makoto and Sekai are on the school rooftop. Makoto and Sekai confess their love to each other, and they kiss. Kotonoha gets on the school rooftop without them noticing, and her mind shatters. Since then, her suspicions have been confirmed.

Makoto and Sekai arrive at Kotonoha's house. He knocks on the door, and sees Kokoro who then gives Makoto a scolding for "cheating" on Kotonoha, and slams the door on him. Makoto and Sekai leave, and Kokoro tells Kotonoha about Makoto's visit. Kotonoha lies to Kokoro, saying that she's alright. Kotonoha then blocks Sekai from her cell phone. Makoto and Sekai are once again, at the school rooftop. Makoto breaks up with Sekai, admitting that he's been feeling terrible about cheating on Kotonoha. Sekai takes it easily, hugging him. Kotonoha arrives on the scene, and Makoto begs for her forgiveness. She forgives Makoto, walks up to Sekai, and tries to kill her. Makoto pushes Sekai out of the way, and gets stabbed by Kotonoha.

It's been 6 weeks since Makoto was stabbed by Kotonoha. Nanami, Taisuke, Hikari, and Sestuna are visiting Makoto at the hospital. After their visit, they leave, and Sekai comes to visit. Makoto tells her that he's going to stay together, and live with Kotonoha, so he can ease her pain. He gets a phone call from Kokoro, who breaks the news that Kotonoha is dead. When Makoto tells her about it, Sekai admits that she was the one that killed her. She hugs him, saying that they will be together forever.

Each volume need to be summarized into 250-350 words good luck. --KrebMarkt 14:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Crunchyroll Streaming

Someone want to mention the series is legally avaible to watch on Crunchyroll.com ? It's there streaming for free currently. Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-04-24/school-days-to-be-posted-on-crunchyroll-this-summer - 68.36.239.42 (talk) 08:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the publisher

The first paragraph of this article says the publisher is "Stack" but the infobox has two completely different publishers listed, and this "Stack" company is not listed there. I don't know who the publishers are, but could someone who actually knows clear up this inconsistency? Cheesechimp (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, this is Aicherry (DVD TV) and Palacgame (PSP), Stack was only published PC and HQ version --minhhuy*= (talk) 08:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Is this qualified to put on Category:Harem anime and manga

After I read the manga and watched the anime of School Days, I wonder if it's ok to put it on the Category:Harem anime and manga page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakeslogan (talk • contribs) 18:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup

I'd like to undertake the task of cleaning this article up. I just finished fixing up Summer Days and got the Cross Days article I created to Good Article status. If no one has any objections, I'll probably start in a week or so, as I'm busy fixing up another article. Valce Talk 20:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

After a little more than a week, my complete revision for School Days is finished. I have self-nominated the article for Good Article status. Valce Talk 05:11, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Know Your Meme

Just want to chime in on the Know Your Meme citations. The videos are considered reliable, but the user-generated content was determined to be unreliable (or at least there were concerns raised) at WP:RS/N several times. -- クラウド６６８ 22:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately it doesn't meet good article criteria 2 with it still there.--Otterathome (talk) 10:31, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:School Days (visual novel)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 07:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC) I'll be reviewing this. I'm not a big fan of visual novels, but I hate backlog even more. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
	1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	see below
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Fine
	2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Fine
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Fine
	2c. it contains no original research.	Fine
	3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	See below
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Fine
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Fine
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Only constructive edits
	6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	See below
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Images generally are not purely decorative. See caveat below.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pending

Comments

Complete

Lede"

• Drama - Drama film? How does this apply?  Done

• Huh? What's with the complete change in genres?

1. There isn't an appropriate article for the Drama genre (one centered on emotional themes of characters, such as in this case, infidelity, jealousy, malice, etc) except for drama film (which specifically discusses the genre in film) so I thought that was the point you were making and removed it. I chose Adventure as a replacement since an article exists that describes it in visual novels. I'll put Harem back; I had removed that since I thought it might be too more-or-less a subgenre of erotica (since most games of this type revolve around interactions with female characters).

• Oh, I believe you... but it should generally be as specific as possible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

• So should Drama go back, maybe just n

• Just not film, right

• "a dramatic slice-of-life, follows the life of Makoto Ito, " - Repetition.  Done
• "a nonlinear plot that they are given opportunities to change the course of during play." - "a nonlinear plot that they can change the course of during play."  Done

• If we're at removing stuff, I'd much prefer keeping "a nonlinear plot" on its own.

1. I didn't actually ever notice the redundancy until you pointed it out. I worded the sentence before the way I did because the game is indeed nonlinear, as the story doesn't follow one direction and lead to one ending. However unlike games that rely on actions (like the Fable series), visual novels present the player with actual choices that will directly influence the game past that point. I felt this gives players more of an "opportunit[y] to change" the game rather than, say, unknowingly.

• "The game ranked as the best-selling visual novel sold in Japan" - A way to avoid the repetition of "sell - sold"?  Done

Gameplay

• "a varying combination of French kissing, masturbation, oral sex and intercourse, with pixelized censors over genitals" - Perhaps "a varying combination of French kissing, masturbation, oral sex and intercourse, with the genitals pixelized" Done
• "In another called "Eternally", a character commits suicide by falling off the roof of a school," - Falling or jumping?  Done
• "a couple share a heartwarming embrace in a hotel room as snow falls around a surrounding cityscape." - Is "heartwarming" in the scene, or is it a judgment?  Done
• "Because of the numerous alternate endings that can be achieved, players who wish to watch additional endings, and notably aforementioned sex scenes, will have to play through the game more than once." - Obvious for those familiar with visual novels (although it's not quite "playing" when one skips everything...), but having a source would be better.  Done

• I'll accept this at GA, but I think at FA they may want something that states this as referring to School Days specifically. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Plot

• Perhaps this could be expanded a bit, or renamed "premise"? To be honest, the "Characters" section reads like a much better plot section.  Not done

1. So I was going over the Plot/Character section and thought of a (hopefully) acceptable way to merge the two:

His new and upbeat desk partner, Sekai takes a special interest in Makoto's newfound crush for Kotonoha, befriending the two and providing them the grounds to meet. In spite of her proud and triumphant efforts however, Sekai becomes jealous of the new couple, having also developed feelings for Makoto.

• Yeah, merging would be a good idea. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:16, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

• You don't need a reference for this.  Done

Development

• "School Days would be 0verflow's tenth game to develop." - Conditional? What happened? Perhaps "School Days was the tenth game developed by 0verflow."  Done
• Miss Each Other - Worth a redlink?  Done

• I guess trimming is okay.

1. I decided to trim the game out because it wasn't that notable of a release for the company (therefore not worth mentioning), neither was it localized in English and the chances of finding reliable sources (in the event someone did decide to make an article for it) would be scarce.

• "the most ideal location" - Why?  Done
• "Computer Entertainment Rating Organization" - A note that this is the Japanese rating board, and a definition of what "C" entitles, would be useful for the average reader.  Done

• 15-or-older for hardcore sex in Japan? Didn't know that (no action required)

1. "School Days L×H, a PlayStation 2 (PS2) port that would not contain sexual content." Because the game was being ported to a home console system, the sexual content would need to be removed in order for it to be age-appropriate for the (mostly teenage) target audience.

• "School Days HQ in English is expected to be released in 2012" - What's the expectation now? A month, perhaps?  Not done

1. The official English website labels the game as "coming to you in 2012." Both the original developer and re-developer have yet to announce a more finalized date.

• Alright, sounds fine for now.

Sequels

• "The first, a spin-off titled Summer Days, was released on June 23, 2006, and retells the original story from the perspective of Setsuna Kiyoura had it occurred during summer vacation." - I get what you're saying, but it's rather unclear. Perhaps "The first, a spin-off titled Summer Days, was released on June 23, 2006, and retells the original story, as if it had occurred during summer vacation, from the perspective of Setsuna Kiyoura" or something similar.  Done

1. Reassess for clarity.

• Acceptable.

Sales

• Getchu.com - Websites probably shouldn't be italicised.  Done
• "According to Gamasutra, a video gaming news site, School Days L×H ranked as the number one PlayStation 2 game sold for January 2008." - What about the PSP version?  Not done

1. Pending work.

Anime

• "when 0verflow announced via their blog that information about the show had been posted on its then-live website." - The show's website or 0verflow's?  Done

• Good, perhaps a footnote (like at 1740 Batavia massacre; sorry, can't think of a video game example) indicating the site is no longer live.

• "was published into six limited and regular edition DVDs containing two episodes each." - This reads awkward to me, but can't think of a way to rephrase it.  Done

1. Reassess for clarity.

• Published - compiled, perhaps?

1. Publishing is a more accurate term, but if you feel the sentence would be more reader-friendly to those unfamiliar with technicality, "compiled" is fine.

• "UK Anime Network " - Which is?  Done
• "THEM Anime Reviews" - Which is?  Done

Delay

• "News sources such as The Japan Times and Mainichi Shimbun reported on the killing on September 19." - If they are drawing a connection between the incident and the delay, it should be noted in-text.  Done

• Not perfect, but fair.

• "Mainichi Shimbun" - Which is?  Done
• "Google Trends recorded a spike in "Nice Boat" searches around the third-quarter of 2007" - With or without the period?  Not done

1. Both with and without the period show the aforementioned spike, however the latter shows consistency to 2012 while the former ends in 2007.

• Okay.

• "Magical Heart Kokoro-chan" - Should be noted that this is a School Days episode.  Done

1. Possible redundancy, as the episode was mentioned in the "Anime" section above "Delay".

• Good point. Don't think most readers will remember that, but I agree that it seems redundant.

Soundtracks

• "and the remaining forty-two background scores by KIRIKO/HIKO Sound on September 26." - Another album? Title?

1. Same album. I can see how it would read like it was a separate release (because of the detailed length of singers) so I removed them. Reassess for clarity.

• ""School Days Drama CD Vol. 1 Himitsu Hanazono" (ヒ・ミ・ツの花園), a merrymaking of the series six main girls, was released on August 8" - Year?  Done

Merchandise

• "material such as the girl's school uniform and plastic dōzuki." - Which girl's, or all of them?

1. The apostrophe is probably confusing because it indicates possession. All the girls wear the same school uniform.  Done

1. Girls' (belonging to more than one or all of the girls), girl's (belonging to one girl). Which one?  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:42, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

1. Based on your edit, I'm thinking girls'

3

• No reviews of any of the games whatsoever? I'd expect at least one at B-class. GA should have more.

1. Most if not all the English-language reviews I found on the game are unreliable, composed mostly of fan-made blogs or amateur journalism sites. None of the resources provided in the 'Visual novels task force' page also review the game. I'll scrape the net for whatever I can find but reviews might just have to come from the English release.

1. What about Japanese reviews?

1. I've tried looking for reliable Japanese sources on these kinds of games, but haven't been successful. Even GameSpot Japan doesn't have a review for the PS2 and PSP ports. I don't think visual novels are always considered genuine video games by the industry, even when titles happen to get ported to recognized game systems (hence why some GA articles like Shuffle! and Clannad don't have game reviews), so reporting on them isn't always a priority. I'll keep an eye out as I continue on the article but I don't think I'm going to find much.

Work-in-progress

6

• File:SchoolDays.png should probably be trimmed to 300px wide.  Done
• File:Schooldaysscreen.jpg - What use does this have in the gameplay section? I'd expect something showing a choice screen, as that is essentially what is "played"

1. Point made. I'll find a more appropriate screen.
2. Because the game is presented more like an anime than a traditional visual novel, I've had some difficulty finding a choice screen. Worst case, would a screen with text be acceptable, like this: http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/TheRealValce/sd_screen_001.jpg

• If that's a choice screen.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• File:Schooldaysniceboat.jpg could be trimmed a bit.  Done

1. 300px wide good?

• File:Schooldaysostcdcover.jpg - Way too big, doesn't contribute much (poor chance of passing FUC 8.  Done

1. Another good point. Probably just worth deleting. I removed it from the article and flagged for speedy deletion.

Further discussion

• On hold for seven days to address issues. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

• So far so good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

• How's research into the PSP version? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't find any consistent information on it. --Valce Talk 09:46, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, if there's nothing then there's nothing. That means we only need to deal with the image. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• After examining the secondary image I provided, the text on-screen are not selections, but dialogue. Because the criteria for passing this article off as a GA relies on the Gameplay image being a selection screen (though I would contend that other GA articles of this kind of subject contain samples of game footage), I can compromise and simply remove the image until a more appropriate one can be found. --Valce Talk 03:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• It's not necessary to have a choice screen, but as it is in the gameplay section such an image would have a much better chance of passing the FUC. Now, if there were a section on visual styles... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• So is removing the current one for the time being acceptable? --Valce Talk 18:38, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• I'd pass the article like that, yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, I removed the picture; I'll add a choice screen when I can find one (I think I'll download the School Days HQ demo sometimes and play through it until I get to a choice screen). I appreciate you helping me through the article and also with the time; I know this review extended over a week but I thank you for being patient.--Valce Talk 21:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, good to go. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

ONA

Besides the anime and OVAs there was also a one ep video being referred externally as an ONA.

See:

• http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6321
• http://myanimelist.net/anime/756

The official website lists the video – it's the "Chapter 1" image linked .wmv.

Dantman (talk) 15:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

right so why are we not mentioning this? like I've seen the anime + 2 OVAs back in what 2011 or 2012, but I'm hearing about the ONA just today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlkzRZa_hI Thewriter006 (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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