Talk:Peter Criss

Birth date

Was Peter Criss born in 1945 or 1947 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.51.211 (talk) 22:39, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

A citation is needed for the bit about Peter stabbing someone in the leg. --cholmes75 17:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

1978 album is a KISS album

All four solo albums are listed as KISS albums on their website. They are also listed as KISS albums on allmusic.com. And according to the rather comprehensive book The Kiss Album Focus, the albums all counted against KISS's contract with Casablanca Records. In the future, I ask that you bring things like this up BEFORE making changes. --cholmes75 16:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

No, that's utter rubbish. Despite any contractual and promotional shenanigans, it's a solo album by Peter Criss with none of other members of the band playing or writing on it. It was a gawdawful record, too. 68.19.7.73 (talk) 03:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Cat #1

I tried to create an article for the Cat #1 album, but it keeps redirecting the name to the regular cat article. If anyone can figure a way around this, that'd be great. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 19:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I know tbis is old, but I am sharing a helpful hint. The reason Cat#1 redirects to the regular cat article is that #'s are used to link to a particular section of the article. When you use Cat#1, it thinks there is a section titled 1 on the Cat page when there isn't. The same goes for Funk#49 by James Gang. It is called Funk#49, but since that link would take you to the Funk music article to a non-existent section titled 49, the article is simply titled Funk 49. 74.51.78.148 (talk) 23:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Gang War

THere was a gang war were peter criss stabbed someone in the lge, but he fled the scence, Why was it removed?" i took off the citation Ace Fighter.

Peter Criss appears on the KISS Box Set

Somebody removed the KISS Box Set from his list of albums, even though he played on Acrobat (live), which was previously unreleased. The same is true for the soundcheck recording of "I Want You" on the Box Set. Could it be, that Peter received a flat fee and gets no royalties from the Box Set? Is there some rule that Best of - compilations aren't included on individual band member's entries? Either way, the KISS Box Set is more than a Best of -- the Box Set includes previously unreleased material featuring Peter Criss. Why did somebody remove it? 141.155.153.90 (talk) 15:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

The claim that the book by Lydia Criss contains "thousands" of photos seems unlikely; can anyone verify this? Cris Varengo 16:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Oz

Wasn’t Criss on the Oz TV Series? The article needs to mention that.

Yes he acted in two episodes as inmate Martin Montgomery (his character was incarcerated for beating someone to death with a baseball bat in a softball game). I added it along with his other acting credits. J04n (talk) 06:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

"Beth"

The phrase "Later, the two would form a band named Lips." at the end of the third line of the Beth section seems unnecessary. Anyone else agree? 69.70.248.73 22:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• Yes. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 23:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree Tratare 04:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Criss Cat 1.jpg

Image:Criss Cat 1.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I just added a file from "Wikimedia commons" I attempted to add fair use rationale to the file's page but I can't figure out how to edit the page to add the rationale. Is there something else that I should be doing. BTW I would prefer another picture (preferably a relatively recent one without makeup) but I don't have one. J04n (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The picture above from Wikimedia commons was removed without comment. Can someone please educate me as to why it was not acceptable and how to appropriately add it back. I agree that it was not ideal but until a free option is available, I think it is better rthan nothing. There is a similar picture for the Vinnie Vincent page. J04n (talk) 17:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Instruments

Unless anyone has a source indicating Peter plays guitar, or bass, or any other instrument besides drums, I'm removing it from the infobox. Being a KISS fan for 25+ years, I can guarantee Peter Criss does not play any of those instruments, at least not well enough to call them his "instruments" and if he does, it's never been publicized anywhere. Video and/or still photos exist of Peter faking it on guitar (KISS Meets The Phantom shoot, Paul Stanley eventually took over the guitar duties for that scene) and piano ("Beth" on the Paul Lynde Halloween Special), but not actually playing. Without any references, it's conjecture that he does actually play these instruments, besides drums and vocals, of course. 209.254.200.110 (talk) 21:17, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Drum setup

Current article reads:

drums DW collectors series maple in broken glass:

• 22" X 18" bass drum
• 5" X 8" hanging tomtom
• 6" X 8" hanging tomtom
• 7" X 8" hanging tomtom
• 8" X 8" hanging tomtom
• 13 X 15" tomtom
• 8" X 10" hanging tomtom
• 9" X 12" hanging tomtom
• 10" X 13" tomtom
• 11" X 14" floor tom
• 15" X 16" floor tom
• 14" X 6" edge snare

I suspect that most but not all of those measurements are simply the wrong way around... Conventionally, the diameter (the more important dimension arguably) comes first, see Tom-tom drum#Modern tom toms. And it clearly does here with the 14x6 snare, and 22x18 is fine for a bass drum, pretty standard stuff both of them.

But 5,6,7,8 x8 toms is a bit strange... four 8" diameter of various depths would be a lot more common and a lot more playable at his volume, and four single-skin concert toms of these sizes would be even more likely. And 13x15 is likewise strange but maybe just possible for a tomtom, 15x13 still unusual but more likely and fits in well between the floor toms if they're as I've guessed below, or a single 15x13 concert tom might even make sense too. It gets weirder, 8x10 and 9x12 is a very strange pair of hanging toms indeed, while 10x8 and 12x9 is the standard pair of fusion-style hanging toms. But it's the floor toms that are really wierd... 11x14 is not likely at all, 14x11 a little bit rad (14x14 is trad for a floor tom) but matches a pair of fusion toms well, and 15x16 a lot less likely than 16x15, which is not quite so rad (16x16 is trad) and matches the rest again as I'm guessing them.

Anyone know? Andrewa (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I think the 5,6,7,8" are octobon style drums. That said, US magazines seem to put the depth first. I've seen both conventions used. Thedarxide (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, octos are single-skin 6" diamater and much deeper (I use just one, it's about 6x18, similar to one of Stewart Copeland's setups for the Police, photo here). But four single-skin 8" drums would match the strong and consistent fusion influence seen in the rest of the kit well... and doesn't support the general impression that the rest of the article gives of him being more rock and less jazz influenced, BTW.

I (blush) hadn't realised that there was another convention, I guess I just assumed that many drum writers and drum shop staff don't know what they're talking about (I mean after all, "secret alloys" haven't been possible since the mid-19th century, but claims of them still sell cymbals).

You're right! I just had a quick look around some drum maker sites (well, as quick as the typically over-graphic front pages allow)... Premier is diameter first, as is Sonor, but... Boomboom! Slingerland and Tama are the other way around! Still waiting for the Yamaha and Pearl sites to load... Hmmmm... Good catch!

So, which convention should we follow here? Obviously we should go one way or another in the one article, and certainly in the one kit description... And probably say which we're using, as there are two... Hmmm... Andrewa (talk) 21:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

PS Yamaha (USA) are diameter first, so it's not just the US versus the world... Still waiting for Pearl to load... Andrewa (talk) 21:31, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

PPS... Pearl is diameter first too... it's Tama which is the surprise to me... after all, I've been very happily playing one of their kits for 15 years or so... Andrewa (talk) 21:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

PPPS... Mapex also use diameter first, both on their International and US sites and also on UK and France and I guess the others too, but (Boomboom again) DW use the depth-first convention... and it's a DW kit we're talking about here. So that's the problem... most Wikipedia articles and most drum companies use diameter-first, but DW (and Tama and Slingerland and probably others) use depth first.

So I'm going for the moment to swap the bass drum and snare to the DW convention, assume all the others are already that (they all make the best sense that way), and add a note to that effect. Andrewa (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. Also have a look at Wikipedia:Describing drum sizes which is new and I'd like comments on it, and also this diff which I'm not at all happy with but it's a start. Andrewa (talk) 00:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

1978 car accident

There is nothing in here about Peter's car accident, which seems to have had a major impact on his career. Repkow (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Breast Cancer

According to [1] Peter had breast cancer in 08 - look for the post from 9th October 2009 - i think that this needs to be added in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.41.163 (talk) 09:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

It has been reported elsewhere as well, I'll add it. J04n(talk page) 10:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

2nd departure from Kiss

Does anyone have a source for Criss destroying his drum kit in South Carolina? I seem to recall Criss himself saying that this took place in Virginia.Mk5384 (talk) 09:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

According to this it was South Carolina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qjF9b9HD54 Iceman (talk) 13:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Section:Drum kit

@JulioSedaIV: Don't this it's gonna fly under that kind of markup, Might try a table format. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Change background to solo singer

I see that previous revisions to change it were reversed. He sings lead vocals on all his solo albums, he's widely known for singing Beth, what more does this need? AddingInstruments (talk) 14:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

We only use what the artist is primarily known for - as per this message on your talk page. Flat Out (talk) 00:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Well then, by that rationale why is Ace Frehley listed as solo singer? Or Pete Townshend? Or Josh Klinghoffer? The list goes on. AddingInstruments (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Flat Out (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Peter Criss picture

Can somebody PLEASE but up a different picture of Peter? He hasn't looked the way he looks in that picture in 22 years, it's from 1995, it's dark and outdated. I put up a picture of Peter rehearsing on the drums from his rehearsal for his last show ever, it was from a Boston Globe article, I even gave credit to the author but it was quickly removed, can somebody else get a GOOD and updated picture of Peter up on there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Spaceman1978: Unfortunately, your claim of "fair use" on that image is invalid. One can only claim fair use of a copyrighted image if no free content is available to replace it. In this case, there are license-free images of Criss available (albeit of lesser quality, but that's not part of the equation). Also, since Criss is still living, it is possible (perhaps not easy, but theoretically possible) to obtain new images and release them under a suitable license, so the claim of fair use for the copyrighted image just falls apart. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok I understand but can the picture still be replaced for something more recent and copyright/license free? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs)

If there is a specific image you'd like to recommend, please do so. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Spaceman1978: See anything in c:Category:Peter Criss that you like? --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 00:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pixelillo/4937954870 looks like a good option as well. Let me know if you want it transferred to Commons for use here. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 00:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what would and wouldn't be copyrighted.

That photo on the flicker link is NOT Peter Criss, that's Eric Singer wearing the Catman makeup, he replaced Peter.

OK, then not that image then. There ar 4 ways to get a free image: Take it yourself, wait for the copyright to expire, find a free image that's already been published, and/or ask the copyright holder to change the license on an already-existing photo. I couldn't find a free image using the standard methods, and the expired/unregistered photos are too old if the current one won't do. Your options, then, are to take one yourself or WP:COPYREQ one. --AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 01:53, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

If I put up an older Picture of Peter he'll most likely be in makeup and Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley own his makeup design and I'm not sure if that would cause a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaceman1978 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

That wouldn't affect the copyright status of the photo. Keep in mind that there are multiple pictures of Peter in makeup at the Kiss article. The lead image in his biography probably should not be one of him in makeup. It would be fine, actually ideal, to have a photo of him in makeup somewhere in the article though. Just keep in mind the copyright issues mentioned above; Wikipedia is quite strict about that. Joefromrandb (talk) 15:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Farewell tour

http://loudwire.com/kiss-rule-out-vinnie-vincent-farewell-tour/?fbclid=IwAR0ETqKFXOmnOGJINJIi_7JGrL5E5ak_6ovu61beKgroYelzEni7WvpfaR8

Majinsnake (talk) 03:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Co-Founder ?

I don't see how Criss can be called a co-founder. Original drummer? Sure! Original line-up member? Certainly. Simmons and Stanley were co-founders of KISS. They had a previous relationship with Wicked Lester then set out to form KISS. They found Criss through an ad and conducted auditions to find Frehley. Criss and Frehley were hired guns, not co-founders. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 15:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Nobody cares what your personal opinions are - all that matters is what the RS's state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.45.222 (talk) 17:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

needs an update

The statement "The reasons why Criss was fired from Kiss were never known, although it was obvious that his relationship with his bandmates Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley was not good at the time" is not true - the biographies by band members and others talk about his drinking and drug issues resulting in his drumming skills rotting away, and not being 'committed' to the group and/or their direction anymore. Also, the Debra Jensen incidents are not mentioned and these are thoroughly documented.

There are other pics at Commons

Kiss - Peter Criss (1977)

Peter Criss - Alive II

The current leadimage fits (as in best of that lot), but I suggest we change the catman whatever to one of these 2, any objections? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Heavy Metal?

Is featured genre Heavy Metal appropriate? I'd rather say Hard Rock, Rock, RnB... 2A02:8071:A583:D9A0:D45A:4391:F364:6192 (talk) 15:55, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

info on 'Beth' incomplete

Gene suggested the name change to 'Beth' so not to be confused with guitarist-extraordinaire Jeff Beck. Bob Ezrin took part of the basic melody line of the original song and came up with extra music and the entire arrangement and is credited as co-composer of what became "Beth" on "Destroyer." HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2023 (UTC)