Talk:Patapon

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Game type

When I wrote the original article I intentionally described it as "gene straddling". The reason for this is that though the most prominent aspect of the game is its drum rhythms, it is much more than just that. When the article text was streamlines the editor removed that expression, and I reinserted it, as I think this is very central to what is particular about the game. It was removed again with this justification: "'genre-straddling' is kind of a peacocking description of this game. In essense it's just a rhythm game with some customizable elements like adding/removing weapons/patapons.)" This is simply not true. In ordinary rhythm games you're bound to the rhythm or instructions given to you. Patapon, however, is an action strategy game where direct controls have been replaces by rhythm proxies. In fact, contrary to the edit justification, Patapon is essentially a strategy game (of the RTT and God game types) with a rhythm game flavour, but at the same time, quite different from the recognised vanilla rhythm game template. For the reasons given I've restored the expression. Miqademus (talk) 22:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While your arguments for why its more than a rhythm game are fine. Why do the words "genre-straddling" have to be in the sentence instead of just saying it combines elements from rhythm games and many RPG/strategy games? Should Puzzle Quest be a "genre-straddling" game for combining a puzzle game with RPG elements? It just seems very subjective.

I think it's necessary that people can get a general idea of the game from the initial description. We're trying to give users who have never heard about this game a description of what it is. "X is a genre-straddling game" does not help describe it for them in any better than "X combines elements Y and Z" could.

I'm not going to bother getting into some edit war over whether the word should be included so I'm going to leave it but its a non-descriptive word left there just so it could be used in a sentence. Strongsauce (talk) 23:08, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your point is well taken. I am not attached to that particular expression per se, and I agree that it perhaps has somewhat promotional ring to it. However, since I find the, well, genre-straddlingness of the game its most noteworthy feature, I do think that it should be explicated as such rather than 'merely' implied. If you have a better expression or phrasing, then by all means, but please do emphasise the concept I'm talking about. Miqademus (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interlink // NanaOn-Sha

There's no other link, other than IGN, that states that Interlink created PaRappa_the_Rapper, in the PaRappa_the_Rapper article the developer is NanaOn-Sha and in its official website doesn't reference Patapon anywhere, noting that its an active website, the information must be validated with another website because IGN may be wrong too... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kacex (talk • contribs) 03:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay after doing a little Google searching I found these links [1], [2], [3] and on the official PaRappa page at the bottom [4] that mention Interlink. Now digging around it seems like Interlink is associated with Rodney Greenblat, who is credit with the visuals for PaRappa the Rapper. Looking around even further I have found an all flash japanese only website at http://www.interlink-planning.com/. If you click on projects at the top, then click the fourth item, then the 3rd item (item above BPM) you will find artwork for PaRappa the Rapper 2. Looking around further if you look at this Playstation Asia Patapon Page it says Interlink/Rolito. So essentially Interlink is some kind of artist representative company and not the "game design" but "visual design" creditors (perhaps there is something stipulated in the designers contract that says they must also credit Interlink if they found them the job)? Strongsauce (talk) 04:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great research, thanks :) Kacex (talk) 00:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Music credits

After digging around, I found an interview with the director, Hiroyuki Kotani: http://psp.gamezone.com/news/01_11_08_08_51AM.htm

Kemmei Adachi did the music for this game, I'd put it in, but currently there is no appropriate section. The interview only says "KEMMEI", I assume the interviewer thought it was a band or company, although immediately after that part the director clearly says "he". But, the director also said that he and Kemmei Did LocoRoco (game with similar creators) together, see that games wiki and note that it credits "Kemmei Adachi". Also, since the game is musically based, someone may want to quote the director saying, "Patapon would not exist if it wasn’t for him." To do all of this there may need to be a credits section on the Patapon page. Note, there is no wiki page for Kemmei Adachi, I may do that eventually, and link it with LocoRoco and Patapon, etc. Nnnudibranch 23:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Huge spoiler

A spoiler warning for the "story" part is very necessary! You 've spoiled the ending for me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.210.142.136 (talk) 18:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:SPOILER. Wikipedia does not avoid spoilers or use spoiler warnings. If you don't want it spoiled for you, you really shouldn't read encyclopaedia articles about it.Mr T (Based) (talk) 18:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Patapon (video game)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 10:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
It contains copyright infringements -
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
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Lede

It combines elements of rhythm and strategy - feels a bit early to talk about this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
The story seems a bit high up, could we talk about some development or release before this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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link IGN. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The game led to two sequels for the PSP; Patapon 2 and Patapon 3, and a port to the PlayStation 4. - perhaps mention the port (and when) before mentioning the sequels. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The lede doesn't seem to mention Patapon at all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done

General

Seems to be a bit of a lack of wikilinks in this article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- are there any wikilinks in particular that you believe would be beneficial?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Each unit can have a maximum of 6 or 3 troops depending on the type - three or six MOS:NUM Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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PSP (○ × △ □) - we really don't need the buttons. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Although, i do believe simply saying "Face buttons" is beneficial to first-time readers.
During fever, Miracles can be created by performing the Juju command. - what? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Patapon was developed by Pyramid and produced by Japan Studio. The game was designed by Hiroyuki Kotani. - merge. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
Could also mention the publisher. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Japan Studio is listed as a developer in the infobox. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Omotesando has an accent. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The game was well-received among critics, holding an aggregate score of 86 out of 100 on Metacritic - we generally just say what metacritic says, so "Patapon recieved "generally favourable reviews" according to review aggregator website Metacritic (eg)
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When there is an author, we should state them in prose. I.e - "GameSpot's Justin Calvert gave Patapon cited its excellent art design and innovative gameplay" Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done
Any sales details for the PS4 version? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I wish I could have found some, but I didn't. I can look again.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sequels could be a little bigger - could we say if they were successes, or any other details? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- The sequels are currently my weakness. I can cover them, but it's almost like creating mini-articles for them. it may take me some time.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No issue, I'll assume you'll put something there in a bit, I'm happy to pass for now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]