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is a musical genre!!! no subgenere

It's called classical crossover. It is an official genre. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nottedeluce (talk • contribs) 21:16, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly disagree with your recent page move from “operatic pop” to “classical crossover (musical genre)” and your grammatically incorrect additions to the lead. There is already a subsection of the article on Crossover (music) about classical crossover, which is where users go when they type "Classical crossover" into the search field. That section is far more substantive than this entire article. This article was never intended to be about "Classical crossover" in general. By changing the whole focus of the article, you have made this page redundant and in some ways incorrect.

Actual "Classical crossover" is a much broader field than “operatic pop” or “popera” that includes both classical musicians/singers performing pop music and pop singers/musicians performing classical music. Operatic pop, on the other hand, deals only with 1) opera rather than classical music in general and 2) specifically pop music that has in some way been influenced by operatic music. These are not the same thing. You have entirely changed the whole focus of the page. You should write your own article on “Classical crossover (musical genre)” instead of hijacking this article on a different topic. I am changing it back to the actual topic/name this article is supposed to be about. Rmm413 (talk) 22:33, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The first comment is correct. The term "popera" or "operatic pop" is an alternate name given to the Classical Crossover genre. The reason this label is incorrect to use is because not all Classical Crossover artists sing operatically. Indeed, many do not even sing at all (i.e., the instrumentalists in the genre). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 18:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pavarotti?

Should be Pavarotti included? 79.167.114.131 (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and added him. Looking at various sources, he is often mentioned as one of the foremost operatic pop or popera singers (although, of course, his main career was as an actual opera singer). Rmm413 (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He should be mentioned as influencing the genre but he should not be included in the list.

Due to it being a recent term and movement, it suffers from a lack of definition, with many people disagreeing as to what makes an artist Classical Crossover or not. It is important to understand that the word “crossover” in the term should not be taken literally. There is a distinct difference between “crossover” artists and “Classical Crossover” artists. “Crossover” is when an artist performs a certain type of music that is usually unpopular, but reaches a mass audience and achieves popularity.

The best example of this is when Luciano Pavarotti performed ‘Nessun Dorma’ in 1990 for the FIFA World Cup. Opera was considered a type of music for the elite, and yet Pavarotti, a qualified and active opera singer, went on to become a massive commercial success. Thus he ‘crossed over’ into the popular realm despite the fact that he did not perform popular music.

Classical Crossover did, indeed, take root from the Pavarotti situation in the sense that it made people realize that classical music could sell, but the Classical Crossover “sound” did not come from Pavarotti. Classical Crossover artists deliberately combine elements of pop music with classical.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 18:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Jackson?

Why is Michael Jackson in this list? He isn't associated with classical or crossover any bit. I don't even know any of his songs or singing referring to classical.
At least to me, Freddie Mercury was more classical-oriented. He certainly released classical, not sure if he ever did it solo. 85.217.41.33 (talk) 19:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. Neither Michael Jackson, nor Freddie Mercury belong on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 19:37, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whoever removed the list...

... ought to PUT UP the said "category" for the artists and not just delete stuff without thinking!! Obviously the remover was too lazy and just deleted everything but didn't bother putting up a category. -andy 77.7.15.132 (talk) 12:22, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is the list of operatic pop singers helpful?

The first sentence of the current definition of operatic pop reads, "Operatic pop is a subgenre of pop music that is performed in an operatic style, or a song, theme or motif from classical music stylized as pop." The definition seems to describe the genre well enough, but including a list of singers under this genre is subjective at best, especially when their individual repertoires may included more than just operatic pop. How many classical numbers must a singer have in her/his repertoire? Or how "operatic" sounding should a singer of non-classical pop songs be to be classified as an operatic pop singer? The genre definition makes room for both of these approaches (e.g., classical songs sung by a pop singer, or pop songs sung in an operatic voice), but it seems to me that neither a list of songs, nor a list of singers helps to clarify the definition.

Take Jackie Evancho for example. She is known for singing in a lovely bel-canto-ish style, and has performed pieces such as Nessun Dorma and O mio babbino caro, but lately has shifted to songs from the movies. What genre does she belong to now? Renee Fleming sings part time in a rock band. She sang "In a Sentimental Mood," an old jazz standard, and "Somewhere" with Placido Domingo; should they both be added to the list? Susan Boyle just released an album of show tunes? Is she in or out? Hollie Steel's career has barely begun, so who knows what her "genre" is?

It seems to me that the definition already given explains the term well enough, and that the list of singers should be deleted. But if there is a need for examples, then maybe it would be better to decide on just a few singers whose entire repertoire and singing style best combine as clear and consistent examples of the operatic pop genre. What do you think? McNoodly (talk) 11:53, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the correct term is called Classical Crossover. Simply put, the term Classical Crossover is used to describe artists that adopt strong classical influences in their music, but ultimately they have an accessible and popular sound or a marketable image to reach out to a wider audience.

Classical Crossover albums are generally a compilation of genres. Track lists frequently consist of: traditional songs (e.g. ‘Danny Boy’, ‘Scarborough Fair’), standards (e.g. ‘Over the Rainbow’, ‘Bridge Over Troubled Water’), hymns (e.g. Abide With Me), classic showtunes (e.g. ‘Somewhere’, ‘Music of the Night’), film scores (’Now We Are Free’, ‘Nella Fantasia’) and light classical pieces (e.g. Andrew Lloyd Webber’s ‘Pie Jesu’, all versions of ‘Ave Maria’, ‘Panis Angelicus’). Many singers in Classical Crossover attempt arias. They are always well known arias such as ‘Nessun Dorma’, ‘Un Bel Di Vedremo’, ‘Lascia Ch’io Pianga’, O Mio Babbino Caro’, ‘La Wally’, ‘O Sole Mio’, ‘The Flower Duet’, ‘The Pearl Fishers Duet’ and so on.

The best source for a fairly accurate list of Classical Crossover vocalists is the website www.classical-crossover.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 18:42, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lana Del Rey?

Seems out of place to have her on this list, isn't she more just straight up pop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nablais (talk • contribs) 18:50, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

She does not belong on this list either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bond

If the article is going to talk about Classical Crossover vocalists only, I removed Bond from the list, as they are not a vocal group.

Vivace

A new group that needs to be included in the list is Vivace, a classical crossover vocal group from Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 15:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a Wikipedia article for that group? Only then could they be listed here. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:08, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Their website has information about them. www.vivaceofficial.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.50.3 (talk) 16:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barcelona / Mercury & Caballé

Wouldn't it be relevant to add Mercury and Caballé's "Barcelona" as an example of pop-opera, or pop-crossing-over-to-meet-with-opera? It was a huge event, and it certainly bridged the two styles. Caballé was singing pure operatic style in Mercury's pop composition; and Freddy sang in his pop fashion right alongside. The significance of the event also can't be over-stated. Might it not warrant inclusion in the article? It was a major event, certainly worthy of being documented in an Encyclopedia, and it certainly seemed, for all the world to see, an unimaginable pairing of different worlds. 2001:8A0:7C19:2801:A073:660:35B:F3A (talk) 20:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]