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Good articleOne: Kagayaku Kisetsu e has been listed as one of the Video games good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 11, 2007Good article nomineeListed
September 8, 2009Good article reassessmentKept
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 11, 2007.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that One is a Japanese adult renai game (or visual novel), developed by Tactics?
Current status: Good article

Work in progress

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I am currently fleshing this out. A lot of the information from this is coming directly from the Japanese Wikipedia article. - WrexSoul 08:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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If someone wants, please feel free to add this game to the voice actors linked through the characters section. Remember this spans two games, a drama CD, and an anime OVA, so if you do make sure the link goes in the right section. - WrexSoul 08:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finished

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And with that, I have finished copying all of the Japanese page that I consider worthwhile. I didn't translate the section on the OVA, but most of that was simply staff lists that would point to dead links anyway.

This could be improved by adding some pictures of the characters. I didn't want to take them directly from the official page (dangerously at arms with Wikipedia's policies), and I don't have any screenshots handy.

{{Reqscreenshot}} - WrexSoul 05:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are at least two screenshots found at this site which you may be able to work in.---- (十八) 06:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Subtitle format

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I have changed "One ~Kagayaku Kisetsu e~" to "One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e" for the same reasons I have stated at Planetarian: Chiisana Hoshi no Yume. The use of tildes for subtitles is not standard English and anyone who really gives a damn about the exact spelling of the original title can still see it in the nihongo templates.--SeizureDog 08:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GAN

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I have nominated this article for Good Article status.--十八 07:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Passed GA

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GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


Congrats the article passed GA. Any questions will to my talk page. -- (Cocoaguy ここがいい contribstalk) 01:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Unofficial translation

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I am going to remove the notice about the unofficial patch since it is in violation of Wikipedia's copyrights, specifically where it states:

However, if you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States (Intellectual Reserve v. Utah Lighthouse Ministry). Linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on Wikipedia and its editors. The copyright status of Internet archives in the United States is unclear, however. It is currently acceptable to link to Internet archives such as the Wayback Machine. - WP:C#Linking to copyrighted works

The patch was developed and released without permission from Tactics or Nexton, and thus cannot be displaying on Wikipedia on this basis.--十八 10:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Remove it.--SeizureDog 20:42, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While linking to it may be against Wikipedia policies, would mentioning the translation itself with no link be acceptable? --|Quickdart 19 November 2007 —Preceding comment was added at 12:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would be against it on the basis that if a note about the trasnlation exists, someone (at some time) will try to add in the link to the trasnlator's website, and that means we'd have to revert it every time it came up. Even if we wrote in a hidden note to not include it, I'm sure it would still happen. Furthermore, the fact that an official translation exists is notable, but the fact that an unofficial one exists means we'd inadvertantly be pointing people towards said translation if they wanted to find it, and thus be involved with contributory infringement.--十八 19:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

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This discussion is transcluded from Talk:One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.
GA review (see here for criteria)

Overall this is one of the better articles in the anime GA sweeps, but there are still some problems.

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    The plot section could be condensed. There are 5 relatively long paragraphs. Some of the information from setting & story could be combined. Fixed
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Several controversial comments are unrefereced, including some statements in the lead which aren't supported later in the article.
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Copyright info should be strenghtened. See Popotan or School Rumble for good examples. Fixed
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    The issues could easily be fixed within a week so I'm putting this on hold for now.

Did you mean to start a group reassessment, or an individual reassessment? It may be helpful if you were to challenge the comments you feel are controversial with inline tags so that people can see how to fix the article. --Malkinann (talk) 01:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the GA Sweeps. I may have hit the wrong link as I was a distracted then.陣内Jinnai 04:54, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I tried to shorten the setting and plot as much as I could, but I don't think the plot section can be condensed anymore without leaving out pertinent details about the Eternal World or the main plot of the game. I tried to take out most of the unsourced statements, though you may want to tag anything you think still needs a source as Malkinann suggested. I also updated the FURs of the images.--十八 05:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated the image checkbox. I'll have to wait and review the article again tomorrow as it's getting late tonight.陣内Jinnai 06:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay I cited tagged the one statement that might reasonably be challenged.陣内Jinnai 20:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if I could cite that with this or not, but the very next game Tactics produced after the Key developers left was Suzu ga Utau Hi, which has YET11 on the staff. He's also on the staff of the next game after that.--十八 21:57, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That would confirm that he'd be on the next project, but it wouldn't be able to confirm the others left after One unless you can show some statement from Tactics or those employees personally it isn't enough. Having them on the credit list of Key's game, but not Tactic's game it would be sythesis since there freelance jobs as well as people who use aliases on certain games or work as shadow employees. Because of this it could violate BLP as well since it's an unsourced statement on living person that could be seen as contriverisal because of its implications.陣内Jinnai 22:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So then I'd have to remove both the statement that the main developers left to form Key and that YET11 stayed on with Tactics?--十八 22:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Before that, what does Key's website history say? They might mention something. Might check archive.org for earlier versions as well. You can try Tactics's website and archive as well, but I doubt they'd mention it.陣内Jinnai 22:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In all the time since I've known of Key's early history, I've never found any official statements, particularly because there's no reason for the members of Key to want to be tied with Tactics anymore, and it makes sense since they renounced any claim to those games once they left the company. This is also why reportedly (though however unconfirmed) that the development team didn't get any of the royalties from One that later came from the adaptations or further releases of the game, such as the full voice version, or the Vista-compatible version. Although, it is true that Itaru Hinoue did include some illustrations from One in her art book recently released, but that could just be because she owns the ultimate copyright on her own drawings and she can do what she wishes with them. As for the archives, Key's website only goes as far back as May 10, 2000 roughly 2 years after forming. Oh wow, and I just see on that version that the original released date of Air was supposed to be July 14, 2000, but apparently got pushed back to September, and ironically enough, today is the 9 year anniversary of that release. Anyway, there's nothing that I can find in terms of official statements, and Tactics'/Nexton's website also don't go as far back as 1998.--十八 22:32, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The best you could state is that no future games that were produced by YET11 had any of the team members credited for future games. I think the issue about them moving to Key is relevant but I'm not sure how you can put it except to say that the creators, except YET11, later formed the company Key. Both of those are not though "Development" issues but "legacy" or "impact" issues and should be moved out of development. It should also be noted (if it hasn't already about the photos Itaru Hinoue released as well in such a section. The importance here is not note that none of projects under Tactics YET11 worked on the others are "credited" for, which is verifiable.陣内Jinnai 22:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'll try to get that done, but would you mind rephrasing your last sentence; it's rather confusing.--十八 22:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Basically you just have to word it so that it states that none of the Key staff was credited for anything YET11 produced after One in tactics. Other than that, its fine to mention them being credited for work in the new company Key with the production of Kanon. It says mostly the same thing as what it does now, but doesn't claim they didn't work uncredited for Tactics, which cannot be verified.陣内Jinnai 23:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I decided to move the stuff about the One characters appearing in other media, and the One2 sequel into the legacy section, along with the stuff about the staff.--十八 00:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, this appears to be better. The description in the legacy section seems fine. The reference about Itaru Hinoue's art book needs referring, though referencing the primary work is fine. However, that item is not in-and-of itself contriverisal enough imo to hold off the GAR pass unlike the previous items, however it should be addressed in the future.陣内Jinnai 00:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to cite the book itself, but apparently it doesn't have an ISBN, so I was unsure what to do. Guess I'll just stick it in there without the ISBN.--十八 01:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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