Talk:The Operative: No One Lives Forever

M rating

Later releases of the game had an M rating. Can anyone contribute the differences between the two versions? Brittany Ka (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Operative: No One Lives Forever/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ashliveslove (talk · contribs) 18:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• Started reviewing the article. First of all I must say, this one is has a layout much perfect I've ever seen in other games. Will review and comment back if found any problems. ASHU^IND 18:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

• Comment

Plot

• There is still a clean-up tag regarding the plot if the article, please consider improving the plot section. ASHU^IND 19:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Hello, thanks for doing the review. I tried making the more plot more concise. It is now 3528 character less then it was. Do you think the clean-up tag can be removed now? --Mondotta (talk) 20:39, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
    • Yes you can remove the plot tag now. It balances with the other section. ASHU^IND 18:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
      • Plot tag removed. --Mondotta (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Music

• See if you can find an image for soundtrack, so that you can put in the soundtrack info box into music section. ASHU^IND 18:56, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I've decided against an infobox for the album for the following reasons:

1. It would add a bit of clutter to the page.
2. It doesn't really have its own album cover.
3. The infobox wouldn't give a lot of extra information (its release date is the same as the game's, its length is noted in the track listings, there is no available information about its producer or label, etc.)

--Mondotta (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Your second track is overlapping with the track list, consider moving it in section above.ASHU^IND 18:56, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Good idea, I've combined the two Listen templates. --Mondotta (talk) 23:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Final Analysis

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Not much concerns here. ASHU^IND 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   No such concerns here. Article has been searched thoroughly for such references. ASHU^IND 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   All such aspects have been covered. ASHU^IND 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Fine here.

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   All images are proper till the review date and well captioned. ASHU^IND 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Keep up the good quality of Article. Don't let it delisted.
Regards.
ASHU^IND 06:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Plot summary

I have started removing unncessary details and shortening the plot section of the article, in an effort to make it more concise. Nonetheless, even though the plot was highly detailed, I found that it was very well-written. Therefore, for archival purposes, and because it might be useful for some people, I have included the longer plot summary below:

Plot section of The Operative: No One Lives Forever from revision 458939228

It is the 1960s, and UNITY, a secret organization headquartered somewhere in England, watches over world peace. Over half of the active UNITY agents are murdered within a week around the world, suspected to be the work of a traitor within the agency. This leaves UNITY with a critical manpower shortage, and they are forced to send agent Cate Archer and her mentor, agent Bruno Lawrie, on a series of high-profile missions. Archer is an ex-cat burglar, and is the organization's first female spy operative. UNITY's leaders, chief Jones and his advisor Smith, are skeptical of a woman working as a field agent, and have previously relegated her to more mundane assignments. The clues point to known Russian assassin Dmitrij Volkov and a new terrorist organization calling itself H.A.R.M. as the ones behind the attacks. During Archer's first serious assignment in Morocco, she and Lawrie have to protect an American ambassador from H.A.R.M.'s assassins. However, they soon discover that they have walked into an ambush. The surprise attack results in the ambassador being killed by Volkov, and Lawrie is ultimately killed by him as well. Despite heavy opposition, Archer manages to escape unharmed. Smith places the blame on Archer for the mission's failure and the loss of another operative. During briefing, he and Jones also reveal that they suspect that Lawrie was the traitor and that Volkov probably killed him to ensure his silence, to which Cate reacts with disbelief and incredulity. She is eager to avenge Lawrie's death, but she is immediately tasked with another important mission by Jones and Smith. She has to travel to East Germany and help an important scientist, Dr. Otto Schenker, defect to the West. She succeeds in doing so, but as they are flying back to England on a commercial jet, H.A.R.M. agents appear in another plane. These agents, under the leadership of the kilt-wearing Scotsman Magnus Armstrong, jam the communications of the jet and storm aboard, capturing Dr. Schenker. Cate is knocked out by Armstrong, but he spares her life because she is a fellow countryman. Archer is left without a parachute on the doomed jet, so she jumps out of the cargo hold and takes a parachute from a falling H.A.R.M. agent, leaving her unscathed once again. Back at headquarters, Smith is furious that Archer seems to have botched two high-profile missions. He wants her relieved of duty, but Jones still believes in her. He informs Archer that officials from West Germany discovered several suspicious chemical containers aboard a cargo freighter, and UNITY believes that they are linked to Dr. Schenker. Archer is sent to a popular nightclub in Hamburg, where she is to meet with her new partner, a man named Tom Goodman from UNITY's American branch. Together, they are tasked with investigating the freighter. While at the club, they are ambushed by H.A.R.M. agents, but they both manage to escape. Archer discovers that the club is owned by a German woman named Inge Wagner, whom she suspects has fallen in with H.A.R.M. Archer and Goodman then travel to the docks, where Goodman creates a diversion using explosives so Archer can slip aboard the freighter to investigate without being seen. While aboard, Armstrong knocks Archer unconscious a second time, but again spares her life and locks her into the cargo hold, despite Wagner's insistence that she be liquidated. As the ship is heading out toward sea, a huge explosion – later revealed to be the work of Goodman – occurs, and the freighter slowly begins to sink. Wagner and Armstrong are able to escape immediately, but Archer has to fight her way out of the belly of the ship and is unable to finish gathering the information she originally came aboard to find. Back on shore, she travels to her hotel room, where she finds Goodman waiting for her. She is furious at him for setting explosives on the ship without telling her, but they both agree that they need to return to the sunken freighter to finish gathering the vital intelligence aboard. Archer volunteers to be the one to go scuba diving, but while investigating the wreck, a submarine commanded by Armstrong and Wagner sends a legion of H.A.R.M. divers to ambush her. However, she manages to collect the intelligence she needs and escapes. Archer and Goodman return to UNITY headquarters, where they are informed that the only lead they have is a tenuous connection to a large manufacturing firm known as Dumas Industrial Enterprises, run by a reclusive big-game hunter named Baron Archibald Dumas. Archer and Goodman are tasked with finding out if he and his company are somehow involved with H.A.R.M. While at one of Dumas' chemical plants, Archer spots Armstrong talking with a guard, making it clear that Dumas Industrial Enterprises is involved, though it's still not certain how. Archer next interviews the Baron at his estate, where she discovers that the he is completely childish, self-absorbed, and lacking the intelligence necessary to be involved with anything like H.A.R.M. At the end of the interview, the Baron mentions that they have a large, highly guarded safe at their corporate headquarters, in which they store all their most important files and documents. As it is clear that Dumas Industrial Enterprises is somehow involved with H.A.R.M., Archer is sent to infiltrate their corporate headquarters, while Goodman provides a diversion to draw attention away from the safe. Despite heavy opposition, including an ear-splitting deathmatch with Wagner, Archer manages to gain access to the safe and photograph the relevant documents. However, as she and Goodman are about to escape, Volkov appears and shoots Goodman to death. Once again, Archer manages to get away. Meanwhile, in Monte Carlo, a huge explosion kills about 50 people. H.A.R.M. soon reveals that it was their handiwork, using a biological explosive developed by Dr. Schenker. The chemical is injected into the living host, and it feeds on organic material until it culminates in a massive explosion. H.A.R.M. states that if their ransom demands are not met, they will continue to use human time bombs to cause destruction around the world. Back at UNITY, Archer is visibly shaken by the loss of another partner and confides to Jones that she wants more than anything to exact revenge, against which he strongly cautions her. Smith tells them that the analysis of Archer's photographs is complete and that H.A.R.M. may be holding Dr. Schenker in an underground base in Washington state. Archer also discovers that the real mastermind behind H.A.R.M. is the Baron's wife, Baroness Felicity Dumas, who is targeting wealthy, snobbish individuals around the world because of some early childhood trauma. Archer embarks to Washington and finds the underground base, managing to spirit Dr. Schenker to safety. Schenker reveals that the antidote for the chemical reagent can only be produced in one place: outer space. He also shocks Archer by informing her that H.A.R.M. has its own space station. Smith then informs them that there had been a mysterious rocket launch in the Caribbean some weeks ago, possibly indicating that H.A.R.M. has a base in the area. Once again, Archer is sent to investigate. Archer does discover a hidden H.A.R.M. base on a small island, but overhears a supplier there telling an antidote customer that while there are no antidote samples on the island, they are planning to send a rocket up to the space station to collect some that afternoon. Archer kills one of the H.A.R.M. astronauts, and using his suit as a disguise, boards the rocket and travels to the space station herself. While looking for the antidote, the space station is suddenly hit by a meteor shower, causing it to begin to implode. Archer grabs a large antidote sample and manages to use an escape pod to get back to earth safely. Now in possession of the antidote, UNITY needs the list of infected people to know whom to administer it. Despite Smith's protests, Jones agrees with Archer that the list is probably in the Baroness's possession and lets her travel to the Dumas' castle château in the German Alps, where the couple is on holiday. Despite hardships such as nearly freezing to death in the snow, Archer is able to gain access to the château, but once there she is again knocked unconscious by Armstrong, who locks her in a cell. The Baroness appears and gloats to Archer about her plans to take over the world, then reveals that Archer herself has been unknowingly infected by the reagent, and that she has only forty-five minutes to live. Once the Baroness leaves, Archer provokes Armstrong into a hand-to-hand fight, during which she defeats him and he agrees to let her go. He also confesses that he does not want to be a part of H.A.R.M. anymore, and defects by telling her that the list of names is in the Baroness's hidden lair in the château. Archer hurries to retrieve it but first has to find an antidote sample to administer to herself. After she finds the list of names, Archer discovers that the Baroness's next victim is none other than the Baron himself, and that it is imperative that she escape the château, or she will be killed in the resulting explosion. First, however, she has to defeat a powerful H.A.R.M. squad consisting of three go-go girls known as the The Elite Guard. On the way down the mountain to safety, Archer meets Volkov and during their duel, an avalanche caused by the explosion at the château sends Volkov off the edge of a cliff, seemingly to his death. At the base of the mountain, Archer phones Jones and Smith and promises to wire the list of names over immediately. However, she is confronted by the Baroness, who reveals that she has infected herself and is about to detonate. Archer hurries to clear the streets of civilians, and hides inside a building until the explosion is over. Back in UNITY's headquarters, Archer is congratulated with a mission well done. Everybody leaves for some rest. Archer comes to the graveyard where Lawrie is buried, to pay her respects, but is ambushed by the supposedly dead Goodman. He reveals that he is in fact the traitor within UNITY, and a gun duel beings. Archer wounds Goodman and is about to arrest him, but Smith appears and kills Goodman. Smith then tries to shoot Archer as well, but is himself gunned down by Jones. Archer is shocked to see her supposedly dead mentor, Lawrie, is also alive. With Goodman and Smith dead, Jones and Lawrie reveal to Cate the truth, that Lawrie falsified his death to find the real traitor. In order to sabotage UNITY, Mr. Smith used his position in H.A.R.M. to kill the real Tom Goodman, and replace him with an impostor, whose real identity was Melvin Blitzny, a former vacuum cleaner salesman from Akron, Ohio. When H.A.R.M.'s plan was foiled by Archer, both Smith and Goodman's impostor were forced to reveal their true nature. The game concludes with Archer being mad at Lawrie for faking his "death" to her. In a scene after the credits, it is revealed that Volkov survived, and reported back to H.A.R.M.'s mysterious director, a middle-aged drunk man who Archer has seen several times in different countries during the game. In the level exclusive to the Game of the Year Edition, Archer is sent on vacation to a small island, only to discover and destroy a secret H.A.R.M. base.

--Mondotta (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Darkness2005's edits

Recently, Darkness2005 made several edits to the article, without giving any edit summaries. I don't agree with many of the changes (such as removal of content from the lead and the infobox), and asked for his reasons on his talk page. --Mondotta (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted most of the changes. --Mondotta (talk) 03:49, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Current status of game

Does anyone know who presently owns the rights to the game and if there are any plans to release it so it works properly on modern machines? Garth M (talk) 09:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, no one knows. Among the parties who could possibly own the rights, no one seems to be able to find them. Unless they suddenly turn up somewhere, it might well be that No One Lives Forever will never be re-released. Until 2095 that is, when its copyright lapses–but not if there will have been further copyright term extensions by then, of course, which I would highly expect. Unfortunately, that's the state of the media industries these days: conglomerates, which are managed so sloppily that they don't even know what copyrights they own anymore, lobbying politics to further obliterate the public's rights from copyright legislation. 89.217.23.123 (talk) 14:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

NOLF Trademark is owned by Night Dive Studios, I can prove it!

Cancelled trademark application!:

http://pastebin.com/h4n75kkt — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.207.162 (talk) 15:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

We already have a source that affirms they got the trademark on NOLF and its sequels, and we know they want to remaster this, just that copyrights are limited factor. --MASEM (t) 16:18, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

No One Lives Forever Revival Project

In 2017, both the original game and the sequel were made available with fan-made patches at the No One Lives Forever Revival Project.https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/07/05/no-one-will-sell-no-one-lives-forever-so-lets-download-it/ The link is to a media report of this, not to a copyright violation site. Mere linking to a media discussion of a murky copyright situation is not against Wikipedia rules.Oathed (talk) 17:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Its not a "murky" situation. We know from the work that Night Dive studios has done that the copyright is still owned by somebody, just that who truly owns it is not clear and of the three possible owners, the companies haven't bothered to make the effort to resolve it. But that means the copyright still exists, and as copyright can be enforced at any time we must presume it is fully valid, so per WP:ELNO linking to knowing copyright violations like that is disallowed. --Masem (t) 17:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)