Talk:Nissan Leaf/GA1
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Reviewer: –MuZemike 19:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know I went ahead and combined a few paragraphs in as a logical way possible so that the prose looks more professional and presentable. If something is out of place as a result, feel free to split back apart. In general, you should try to aim for writing full paragraphs of prose - somewhere between 4 and 9 sentences length.Please update the facts and figures. Some of these events are described in the future tense which should have already happened (it's the end of 2010 for all intents and purposes).
- Prose issues
See WP:PLUSING; there are a few instances of "noun plus '-ing'" that should be elminated. (Obviously, stuff like "EPA city driving cycle" cannot possibly be avoided, so use common sense.)
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- Verifiability issues
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(Note that in the article prose, I have added appropriate tags in the article that are either unsourced, with {{Citation needed}}, or are not in the citation(s) given, with {{Failed verification}})
Lead
Specifications
Partnerships
Production
Marketing
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- Possible plagiarism
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- Image issues
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- Layout issues
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- Other suggestions
(Note, this does not count against the GA review but may help for further improvements.)
- You may want to remove the citations in the lead by following the WP:LEADCITE guideline. This reduces clutter in the lead and help hook in readers better. In a nutshell, make sure everything in the lead is mentioned in the article body and is sourced there, then you are free to remove the citations in the lead as they would be considered redundant.
- I agree that it would be better to remove the citations. Nevertheless, if you check the article's history you will see that because of the novelty of the Leaf and all the hype around the first mass market electric car, there has been a lot of one-time editors that from time to time make bold/unreferenced edits. This problem was significantly reduced after I fully referenced the lead, so in order to avoid this problem from reappearing, I believe it is better for the time being to keep the citations, at least until the initial hype dies down.--Mariordo (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- I mean, I'm not going to push it that hard, but I know should you decide to nominate for FAC in the future, you may get reviewers there who will demand a "clean lead" (i.e. without citations). –MuZemike 21:30, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that it would be better to remove the citations. Nevertheless, if you check the article's history you will see that because of the novelty of the Leaf and all the hype around the first mass market electric car, there has been a lot of one-time editors that from time to time make bold/unreferenced edits. This problem was significantly reduced after I fully referenced the lead, so in order to avoid this problem from reappearing, I believe it is better for the time being to keep the citations, at least until the initial hype dies down.--Mariordo (talk) 19:53, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- "Specifications" section: You have text that is sandwiched on both sides with images, which goes against MOS:IMAGE. As far as GA is concerned, you can get away with it, but you will get bit at FAC for stuff like this.
- Fixed. -- Mariordo (talk) 01:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Conclusions
In progress – Currently going through a "verification sweep" of the content, making sure everything reflects what the sources say. –MuZemike 19:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Quick comment References must not go on the WP:LEAD. Tbh®tchTalk © Happy Holidays 20:57, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Hi MuZemike. As you are probably aware I am on vacation so I have been a bit slow in attending your requests. Furtunately OSX jump in to lend a hand. This is to let you know that due to my time constrainst and a second GA that began today (see Talk:Plug-in electric vehicle/GA1) I have requested assistance form other editors from WP:CARS to contribute in completing the changes (see my request here). Until more editors show up, I will slowly continue making changes beginning with missing refs and dead links since I know the article very well and some of them are elsewhere in the article. I also want to let you know that if at some point I would have to give up a nomination it will be the other article, so please don't stop your excellent review.--Mariordo (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- OK, that's fine. Take your time and enjoy your vacation. If necessary, we can put the nomination on hold until you have the time to respond to any issues which only you can respond. –MuZemike 01:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your understanding.--Mariordo (talk) 01:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- OK, that's fine. Take your time and enjoy your vacation. If necessary, we can put the nomination on hold until you have the time to respond to any issues which only you can respond. –MuZemike 01:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
On hold – That pretty much completes the GA review. Barring any period of time in which you will be away, I normally give about 1 week to correct the issues noted above. –MuZemike 03:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Just remember that those issues that I have crossed out mean that they have now been adequately addressed. Please pay attention to all of the ones that are not yet crossed out, including the ones in which I have provided additional comments. –MuZemike 01:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
- OK. Did you check the "Layout issues" section? It is done.--Mariordo (talk) 03:12, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Passed. I'm not going to worry much about the WP:PLUSING at this point, but you may want to read that and make appropriate corrections whenever you get a chance. Otherwise, great job, given your circumstances and that this was a fairly long article on a fairly new product. –MuZemike 21:30, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, it was good working with you. I did some of the WP:plusing anyway (see the temporary reversal I did, but I restored your last changes). Thanks again, particularly for your understanding of my time constraints.-Mariordo (talk) 21:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Suggestions by OSX
[edit]Mariordo, I have completely rearranged the contents of the article. Very little content was removed, except (from memory) two of the less-notable awards in the reception section. Please let me know if you approve of these major changes before I make any major revisions to the prose (again, I have only touched a few sentences here and there). The actual content is near identical to when you last edited the article.
When you have the time, it would be good to expand on the "design" section as it is currently only a single paragraph. Just about all of the information in the development section is devoted to the powertrain and mechanicals. An expanded design section (including the interior) would be great. The actual body of the Leaf is quite an unusual design with its front-mounted charge point in lieu of a front grille, and the rear-end styling is like no other car around. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- I think the rearrangement looks really good – at least certainly along the lines of what I was thinking. –MuZemike 07:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. In addition to the revised layout, the consolidation of section headings also makes everything a bit more readable, and the table of contents now no longer overwhelms the article. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)