Talk:Niko Bellic

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Q: Niko speaks Serbian, Why isn't his nationality stated in the article??

Niko is a fictional character. Niko's nationality has never been divulged by the writers of Grand Theft Auto IV. Just speaking a certain language doesn't imply nationality of that country.

Q: Why does it say "A war in Eastern Europe"?

Niko is a fictional character. The name of the war that their character took part in has never been divulged by the writers of Grand Theft Auto IV.

Q: But Niko's nationality/the war name is obvious!

Because Niko is a fictional creation, and the writers of Grand Theft Auto IV have never revealed any of this information, Wikipedia uses the most exact information that they have released—i.e. We don't know Niko's nationality. We only know that the war took place in "Eastern Europe". Anything else, such as stating Niko's nationality because he speaks a certain language, fall foul of WP:OR and/or WP:SYN.

Q: But at the start of the game Niko says "What's wrong Roman, have you forgot OUR language?" and Roman replies "No cousin, it's been a while... speak English, your English is better than my Serbian" so that proves they are Serbian.

In a number of places the game features characters getting Niko's nationality wrong; the reference to Serbian could be a joke between the cousins about people incorrectly calling them Serbs as well. But because Niko is a fictional character and the writers of Grand Theft Auto IV have never divulged Niko's nationality, the claim for "our language" being proof falls foul of Wikipedia's guidelines on sources. A single line about speaking a certain language, doesn't imply nationality of that country.

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This article was nominated for deletion on 4 January 2010. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Bellic and gender gap

Possibly related to the NYT article, this article was mentioned in a recent thesis (p. 7) as an example of WP content bias. czar 08:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tried to make a legitimate edit to the nationality section.

But apparently some auto-deleting bot doesn't like me. 69.131.6.96 (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit notice

I've been bold and added the following edit notice

Attention editors

Before you make an edit regarding nationality issues, please read the information below to prevent your edit being reverted.

There is long standing consensus on this article that Niko's nationality and the war he took part in should remain as "unknown" and "a war in Eastern Europe" for the following reasons.

Niko Bellic is a fictional character created by the writers of Grand Theft Auto IV, the writers have never revealed Niko's nationality or the name of the war he took part in.
Any attempt to say that X + Y = Croatian/Russian/Serbian/etc breaks Wikipedia rules regarding WP:OR and/or WP:SYN

This situation will only change if the writers or Rockstar reveal this information to a reliable published source. Until then any edits regarding Niko's nationality or the war name will be reverted.

Let me know if you disagree or think there should be a wording change. - X201 (talk) 19:11, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Niko is not Russian

While the writers of GTA IV have never explicitly stated Niko's nationality and left it ambiguous intentionally, Niko states twice in the game that he is not Russian.

In the mission "Do You Have Protection?", Dmitri Rascalov thanks Niko for his help by purchasing him a weapon at the weapon shop. This mission introduces the mechanic of gun shops in the game, and upon leaving the shop, the shop owner states:

"You fucking Ruskies are milking me dry, I ain't a cow!"

to which Niko responds:

"I ain't Russian"

In the mission "Blow Your Cover" there is an Alternate Dialogue with Playboy X where Playboy asks:

"So, is you Russian or something? Is you like one of them oligarchs or some shit?"

Niko states he is not from Russia, that he's never been to Russia, and that he thinks that the Russian currency is the ruble.

I am willing to attach gameplay videos to show this dialogue, this video for the former, as well as this one for the latter. The edit I made for the article was in good faith, not that I'm assuming X201 saw otherwise. While Niko never explicitly states where he is from, he explicitly states where he is not from, and with this being from the character's source material, I don't believe this would fall under WP:OR or WP:SYN. That being said however, I am still rather new to Wikipedia contribution-wise, and am willing to learn why this may not be enough to remove the possibility that he is Russian. Binzy Boi (talk) 22:23, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Binzy Boi: Nowhere in this article does it say that Niko is Russian. – Rhain ☔ 22:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It was believed by some that he was Russian, Serbian or Croatian"

While the page does not state that Niko is Russian, this portion of the page refers to people's opinions of where they thought Niko was from. While it may be true that people thought Niko was Russian, if the source material says otherwise, than those opinions may not be of importance to include in the page. Binzy Boi (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence is referring to what some people believed his nationality was, not what the game says he is. Including the in-game quote without any connection to a reliable secondary source is original research. – Rhain ☔ 22:57, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

wouldn't niko's last appearance be gta v, since you can see his lifeinvader page on Jimmy's computer as an easter egg?

just wondering. 2604:3D09:A47A:6500:C106:976E:3D17:CC60 (talk) 03:45, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No; that's an Easter egg, not a full appearance. – Rhain ☔ 09:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Niko Bellic is Serbian

At the beginning of the game it is possible to see that Roman has difficulties speaking his native language (Serbian) when responding to a line in Serbian spoken by Niko, so after Roman's attempt to speak Serbian he mentions the Serbian language, also when playing darts Niko throws a dart with a Serbian flag, obviously the flag is not the Russian flag as it is already proven that Niko is not Russian by the game's history, so that is the proof that Niko is Serbian. L1948L (talk) 03:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@L1948L: The very first question at the very top of this talk page addresses this. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 03:53, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]